it was the brutal "honesty" that took me aback. I'm more used to the opposite. I have a staff member at work who is full of shit and NEVER admits to being wrong (though she makes more mistakes than anyone). Just once I'd like to hear, "Sorry, I fucked-up, I am a complete idiot!" I could deal with that and help her to move forward, but when she never acknowledges mistakes, she just digs her own grave and at the same time makes it harder for me to help her with her career. I know, not a perfect comparision to what we are talking about here, but just a little backgound as to why I react positively to someone who shows a willingness to be self critical. But yeah, it's definitely not a healthy state to be in (the poster), hopefully he'll find his way out of it.
Guys, do you ever experience a situation where you are more attractive than the provider?
OR, you have a SO who is more attractive than the provider.
Does this diminish the experience for you at all? In the first scenario, it is a little weird to have a hot client. Inevitably, I find myself thinking about his wife/gf and how pissed I'd be if I were her!
Well I guess maybe my self opinion is not all that high but I never compare my attractiveness to a provider, lol. I guess for me there is so much going on than just looks so I guess the answer for me is no and no. I am not saying I haven't got bug eyed and done a deep gulp when I have meet an provider who was not as advertised but I have never done the comparison thing. The thought I have is: it would be harder to be a provider. Fake pictures aside, we know what we are going to see, the provider has no idea. It is got to be crap shoot everytime.
And it is like winning the lotto when we open the door to a hottie. Yet it can also be a little intimidating to tell the truth.
Posted By: Corythehuman
Well I guess maybe my self opinion is not all that high but I never compare my attractiveness to a provider, lol. I guess for me there is so much going on than just looks so I guess the answer for me is no and no. I am not saying I haven't got bug eyed and done a deep gulp when I have meet an provider who was not as advertised but I have never done the comparison thing. The thought I have is: it would be harder to be a provider. Fake pictures aside, we know what we are going to see, the provider has no idea. It is got to be crap shoot everytime.
Yes I am sure, actually I am positive that there have been times that the woman that either showed up at my door, or answered hers, was considerably less attractive a woman than I am a man. These are the times that I have been B&S, because I would NEVER intentionally book with a woman who isn't "considerably" hotter than me. That's why I pay.
FWIW, I have never gone through with any session where I was the more attractive one. I don't reward bad behavior. If a woman has duped me into coming to see her by posting fake pics, I am not about to reward her for it by giving her one red cent, or one extra minute of MY time.
It is funny though, in Costa Rica where this is legal and you see hookers/johns out in public together all the time, I have seen some rather decent looking young guys dragging some "fea, gorda vieja" with them. It amazes me, but hey ugly women have to make a living too. If they can get some good looking young guy to give them money, good for them.
I can remember as a young man having a conversation about a guy who got cheating. His wife was smoking hot and the woman he was seeing on the side was not all that attractive. I was talking about it with my boss at the time and I said I just don't understand why he would do that. My boss said "just because you have a Corvette in the garage doesn't mean you get to drive it." I laughed and he explained more. "can you imagine having a perfect filet steak every night for the rest of your life? At some point you just might want a ham sandwich and some potato chips." I am not saying some women are ham sandwiches just saying attractiveness is subjective to the wants of the person and the situation they are in at the time.
but I am sure there are at least a couple of manginas here who will take offense at your choice of words.
Actually, I have to agree with you, and I will add, "For every hot woman out there, there is at least one guy tired of fucking her"
Your point is well taken. I also find myself wanting to go "roll in the gutter" from time to time, but in my case that desire does not extend to fucking "feas y gordas", but I can understand why others might want to from time to time. I really can't understand why some choose to do so on a regular basis, but people make their own choices and don't owe either of us an explanation I suppose.
being unattractive and lying about it to get guys to come see you is most definitely "bad behavior" I can hardly blame a woman for her appearance, it's not like most women or people in general have that much choice in what they look like.
My issue is that if I am going to spend an amount equal to or even greater than what I pay my lawyer, I am not booking with an unattractive woman. If she is honest about her appearance, I will simply pass her by, if she lies about it to induce me to book with her in the hopes that I will stay there in order to not hurt her feeling, or that she is betting that my desire to get laid will overpower my good sense, well then now I have an issue with this woman.
And he was dating one of the most awesome ladies in the world. Can't remember her name but she was very hot. Oh . Elizabeth Hurley. That should have told all ladies that men are not meant to be monogamous.
I haven't seen that many providers, so small sample size. But, I'm relatively young, in good shape and there are people who've told me I'm good in bed without being paid to be there with me.
While a few of the providers I saw aren't my usual type, few if any were totally out of my league. Some were less attractive than the ones I see without P4P, others a bit more.
If you saw me with most providers I've seen in a restaurant, I suspect you'd think I was a guy with decent-good game. Hope that doesn't sound too arrogant.
I do wonder if I am unusual and to what extent.
I've also wondered if I can get a hot client discount .
One of the reasons I like P4P is that it doesn't generate the emotional baggage of other relationships. I read something in a while ago about how some times your not really 'donating for anything physical, you're doing it for the girl to leave after your done. That's sort of true of me.
Having said that, I do kind of wonder whether girls give slight discounts (5-20%) to clients they like seeing more (doesn't have to be because the client is hot). I'm asking because when I try to imagine what it's like to be a provider, I would have thought seeing guys you like more often is better than seeing guys you like less at a slightly higher rate. My sense is that this doesn't happen a lot (right? wrong?) and if anyone could help me understand why I'd be interested.
Just in case above sounds weird, skinny said earlier in the thread ("lol! good answer") that it's "it is like winning the lotto when we open the door to a hottie." I think providers in general could win the lotto a lot more if they employed a tiered pricing scheme for guys based on how much they wanted to see them. This presents obvious problems for first meetings, but maybe after that?
Probably more so in the form of "grandfathering" and OTC for her favorite regular clients, whereas other clients get rate increases over time and strict time rules.
I'm sure anytime a provider gives you some perk, she likes you and wants to see you more.
I recently saw a woman who I felt was "not in my league" as far as personal appearance goes, but it might really have been more that we were different in a few other ways. Now, for me, this sort of has a different meaning, but it boils down to the same thing. I would like to visit her again. There's something about the novelty.
We got along, and I liked her. Liked that she was a little intimidated. That doesn't happen often to me nowadays.
But this is the mystery of physical beauty. I'd consider her a Plain Jane.
Now, if she were fat or shapeless or whatever, that would have been a different story.
The sex wasn't at all bad. At least there was less of a feeling that she was doing me a favor.
OTOH, I've got an upcoming date with someone new who I expect to be very stunning to behold, and I'm looking forward to that with much more enthusiasm
Honestly I've been in P4P on and off for 30+ years and have never ever once felt that feeling.
I've left every encounter feeling as though the sessions were enjoyable for the most part...and if there was ever a disappointment it was that she may not have been quite the gal I had pictured.
But quite often I would see gals multiple times and have never encountered the feeling as you have described.
I gotta tell you WB...if I ever got (or get) that feeling during a session I am out the door.
Posted By: WickedBrut
I recently saw a woman who I felt was "not in my league" as far as personal appearance goes, but it might really have been more that we were different in a few other ways. Now, for me, this sort of has a different meaning, but it boils down to the same thing. I would like to visit her again. There's something about the novelty.
We got along, and I liked her. Liked that she was a little intimidated. That doesn't happen often to me nowadays.
But this is the mystery of physical beauty. I'd consider her a Plain Jane.
Now, if she were fat or shapeless or whatever, that would have been a different story.
The sex wasn't at all bad. At least there was less of a feeling that she was doing me a favor.
OTOH, I've got an upcoming date with someone new who I expect to be very stunning to behold, and I'm looking forward to that with much more enthusiasm.
Okay, hotshot, you show up at your two-benji whore's room, and she sits you down for an icebreaker chat. You regale her for the first twenty minutes with spine-tingling yarns about the rough 'n' tumble world of a tax preparer while she shrinks away from your beer belly and eyes the scraggly fringe under your bald head with a lopsided sneer that you take as a sweet smile. Then you start pawing her and she grits her teeth and allows the last two-thirds to pass in hot passion, mostly because she's bored. And over and over, for three decades, you never perceive that she feels like she's doing you a favor? Well, she makes a couple bucks, so what the hell. Maybe she can get a break if she has you do her forms. Too bad you can't do math, fat boy. You'd be able to figure the odds a little better.
Now, her next client is a one-armed machinist, and she's thinking he probably ain't going to be any easier. But they both walk away feeling happier and lighter, and she counts her take and prides herself in having done them the FAVOR of making them feel sort of like what human beings must feel like on a good day.
No, she never ever feels like she's doing YOU a favor. Never feels like she does anyone a favor. Or maybe some "dude" she does, but certainly not a butterball needle-prick like you. No, of course not. Hell, she don't realize it yet, but she's in LOVE with you.
Think it over. Once in a blue moon a woman will see you as just another man. Best you can hope for. Love ain't on the menu. Think about it. They must have mirrors where they keep you. Look at that two-dimension reflection, or just your two-dimension shadow, and try to exercise your arthritic imagination enough to see yourself as the lady you pay to suck you off sees the whole blob of you in three-dimensions.
Since this is your first time, you might want to get drunk first.
Okay, hotshot, you show up at your two-benji whore's room, and she sits you down for an icebreaker chat. You regale her for the first twenty minutes with spine-tingling yarns about the rough 'n' tumble world of a tax preparer while she shrinks away from your beer belly and eyes the scraggly fringe under your bald head with a lopsided sneer that you take as a sweet smile. Then you start pawing her and she grits her teeth and allows the last two-thirds to pass in hot passion, mostly because she's bored. And over and over, for three decades, you never perceive that she feels like she's doing you a favor? Well, she makes a couple bucks, so what the hell. Maybe she can get a break if she has you do her forms. Too bad you can't do math, fat boy. You'd be able to figure the odds a little better.
Now, her next client is a one-armed machinist, and she's thinking he probably ain't going to be any easier. But they both walk away feeling happier and lighter, and she counts her take and prides herself in having done them the FAVOR of making them feel sort of like what human beings must feel like on a good day.
No, she never ever feels like she's doing YOU a favor. Never feels like she does anyone a favor. Or maybe some "dude" she does, but certainly not a butterball needle-prick like you. No, of course not. Hell, she don't realize it yet, but she's in LOVE with you.
Think it over. Once in a blue moon a woman will see you as just another man. Best you can hope for. Love ain't on the menu. Think about it. They must have mirrors where they keep you. Look at that two-dimension reflection, or just your two-dimension shadow, and try to exercise your arthritic imagination enough to see yourself as the lady you pay to suck you off sees the whole blob of you in three-dimensions.
Since this is your first time, you might want to get drunk first.
Maybe you need a professional to help you with your self-esteem issue?
As I posted earlier if I would ever get the sense that anyone is simply doing me a favor by agreeing to perform whatever service that I'm paying for...I'm out the door.
Maybe you should try that?
Posted By: WickedBrut
Okay, hotshot, you show up at your two-benji whore's room, and she sits you down for an icebreaker chat. You regale her for the first twenty minutes with spine-tingling yarns about the rough 'n' tumble world of a tax preparer while she shrinks away from your beer belly and eyes the scraggly fringe under your bald head with a lopsided sneer that you take as a sweet smile. Then you start pawing her and she grits her teeth and allows the last two-thirds to pass in hot passion, mostly because she's bored. And over and over, for three decades, you never perceive that she feels like she's doing you a favor? Well, she makes a couple bucks, so what the hell. Maybe she can get a break if she has you do her forms. Too bad you can't do math, fat boy. You'd be able to figure the odds a little better.
Now, her next client is a one-armed machinist, and she's thinking he probably ain't going to be any easier. But they both walk away feeling happier and lighter, and she counts her take and prides herself in having done them the FAVOR of making them feel sort of like what human beings must feel like on a good day.
No, she never ever feels like she's doing YOU a favor. Never feels like she does anyone a favor. Or maybe some "dude" she does, but certainly not a butterball needle-prick like you. No, of course not. Hell, she don't realize it yet, but she's in LOVE with you.
Think it over. Once in a blue moon a woman will see you as just another man. Best you can hope for. Love ain't on the menu. Think about it. They must have mirrors where they keep you. Look at that two-dimension reflection, or just your two-dimension shadow, and try to exercise your arthritic imagination enough to see yourself as the lady you pay to suck you off sees the whole blob of you in three-dimensions.
Since this is your first time, you might want to get drunk first.
Maybe you need a professional to help you with your self-esteem issue?
As I posted earlier if I would ever get the sense that anyone is simply doing me a favor by agreeing to perform whatever service that I'm paying for...I'm out the door.
Maybe you should try that?
Posted By: WickedBrut
Okay, hotshot, you show up at your two-benji whore's room, and she sits you down for an icebreaker chat. You regale her for the first twenty minutes with spine-tingling yarns about the rough 'n' tumble world of a tax preparer while she shrinks away from your beer belly and eyes the scraggly fringe under your bald head with a lopsided sneer that you take as a sweet smile. Then you start pawing her and she grits her teeth and allows the last two-thirds to pass in hot passion, mostly because she's bored. And over and over, for three decades, you never perceive that she feels like she's doing you a favor? Well, she makes a couple bucks, so what the hell. Maybe she can get a break if she has you do her forms. Too bad you can't do math, fat boy. You'd be able to figure the odds a little better.
Now, her next client is a one-armed machinist, and she's thinking he probably ain't going to be any easier. But they both walk away feeling happier and lighter, and she counts her take and prides herself in having done them the FAVOR of making them feel sort of like what human beings must feel like on a good day.
No, she never ever feels like she's doing YOU a favor. Never feels like she does anyone a favor. Or maybe some "dude" she does, but certainly not a butterball needle-prick like you. No, of course not. Hell, she don't realize it yet, but she's in LOVE with you.
Think it over. Once in a blue moon a woman will see you as just another man. Best you can hope for. Love ain't on the menu. Think about it. They must have mirrors where they keep you. Look at that two-dimension reflection, or just your two-dimension shadow, and try to exercise your arthritic imagination enough to see yourself as the lady you pay to suck you off sees the whole blob of you in three-dimensions.
Since this is your first time, you might want to get drunk first.
Because id say that providers meet clients who are out of THEIR league fairly often. Maybe not as often looks-wise, but maybe the guy is a lot smarter, older, wealthy, etc.
As for the lady your mentioned, the Plain Jane, she sounds like she had something very special to offer you besides beauty. Which is pretty cool and hard to do.
You're here, let's do this. That sort of thing. We danced for awhile. She had good taste in music. When I saw her ad, I thought, Not really my type, sort of odd looking. (she has a large nose, no implants so a little saggy breasts, mousey straight light brown hair, that sort of thing).
Hope she isn't reading this.
So, instead of just a strange looking lady, she turned out to be a fun girl to play with. I expected something kind of weird. Was in that kind of mood. Instead I got something...else.
But like I say, I keep thinking I'll call her again, but so far I haven't. Instead, I've been going after the sultry beauties I find websites for. If I DO see her again, I don't think I'll review her.
For all you know, she was just a much better actress than all the hott girls you have seen, partly because of her less than average looks she has found that she has to be.
As long as she charged you money, and continues to do so, you'll never know for sure.
Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is attractive to you or me may not be as attractive to someone else.
Let's assume for sake of argument that most people would consider me more "attractive" than a particular provider. Does that assessment include how hot she is? How she exudes sex appeal with every move, every smile, every witty remark?
I have been with many providers whom I am certain are much more attractive than I. It didn't seem to bother them in the slightest. So why should it diminish my experience in that rare instance where I could be considered more attractive than the provider?
and very few "hobbyists" even rank an honest six in appearance.
I have been to many M&G and I consider myself in at least the top 10-15 percentile where it comes to appearance, but even at a rather youthful looking and in shape 55 years old, I can't with any degree of honesty call myself anything more than a six in appearance, and there is no way in hell I am going to pay a woman who is a six or less in appearance to have sex with me. lol
I am by no measure a 9.anything. Just an average looking person but i come across as a nice guy (which I am). I don't hobby much compared to most guys on this board. I have always hired ladies well above average by any "beauty" scale. I have been white-listed by all but one of providers I have reviewed and she is a total blank when it comes to doing anything on a computer.
I'm not about to pay for someone less attractive than me. That's why I do this. If it did happen, it would be because of a B&S with fake pics, and like GaG, I would turn around and walk away, or send her walking.
I don't have an SO, so the second part of your question does not apply to me.
I have always felt less attractive than the provider I'm seeing no matter what they look like. Doesn't matter if they're overweight, short, have a big nose, etc, etc. One of the reasons why I hobby is that I can't pick up women. I'm young and skinny, but not muscular at the slightest bit. There are other things that make me unattractive as well.
I hope you are confident in other areas besides appearance! Women don't really care much about that anyway. Well, at least not as much if you make up for it in other ways.
His last words were that there were other "unattractive" things about him, not that he had other "positive" things going for him that make up for his shortcomings in the looks department.
Self depreciation can be endearing, but not when it gets to the level of self loathing. Nobody is going to fall for someone who doesn't even like himself.
But it was brutally honest in how he felt nonetheless - and of course a bit sad at the same time. I tend to think honesty is a good starting point for any self-improvement. I at least admire the guts he had to express that here, rather than putting on a fake persona and postering - which is much more common on internet message boards.
especially among the mangina and white knight crowd who worship the hookers they see as "Goddesses" that they feel almost unworthy of even being in their presence.
For every arrogant fucktard like "the great American hobbyist" there are a dozen guys here with zero self esteem. Yes, it's sad, but it's also common, and also not particularly praise worthy IMO.
and yes, this largely comes from insecurity and isn't praise worthy. I don't think that is what this guy was about - I don't think he was trying to win points with anyone. Just a guy who needs a serious shot of confidence. I guess we just disagree on this one a bit...
Regarding the GAH, do you think he really believes the stuff he says? I always took it to be satirical humor, a tongue-in-cheek poke at all the self-praise that so many providers heap upon themselves. Either way, at least he provides a little change of pace and entertainment, and that's not so bad. I really don't take anything here all that seriously, so if I can get even a small chuckle out of a post - no matter the intent - hey, that"s a winner in my book!
and I also agree that he definitely needs a serious shot of confidence, where we seem to disagree a bit is that admitting to his lack of confidence is praiseworthy. I don't see it as being worthy of praise, I am not going to use the guy like a piñata for it unless he starts to become as annoying as Turdboy with his insecurities, but to call it praiseworthy is a huge stretch IMO.
As for GAH, he was simply the first example I could think of, and no I don't think he intends a word of what he says to be taken seriously. I do think he needs to work on his delivery a bit, as I don't find his posts too terribly funny, but I will grant that is just a matter of taste. I am sure there are people that don't find my brand of humor funny either, but of course, those people would be wrong. lol
So, I guess we really don't disagree that much here, do we?
it was the brutal "honesty" that took me aback. I'm more used to the opposite. I have a staff member at work who is full of shit and NEVER admits to being wrong (though she makes more mistakes than anyone). Just once I'd like to hear, "Sorry, I fucked-up, I am a complete idiot!" I could deal with that and help her to move forward, but when she never acknowledges mistakes, she just digs her own grave and at the same time makes it harder for me to help her with her career. I know, not a perfect comparision to what we are talking about here, but just a little backgound as to why I react positively to someone who shows a willingness to be self critical. But yeah, it's definitely not a healthy state to be in (the poster), hopefully he'll find his way out of it.
But My wife is quite attractive and hotter than most of the ladies I have seen. I see ladies for their differences and find them attractive in their own light even as a whole my wife has them beat. I am happy and I never hint that anyone is more attractive than the woman I am bedding at the time, so no it takes nothing away from the session.
the connection two people have with each other. I see it all the time, a man comes in looking for a particular type then ends up partying with someone completely different.
There's that bit of ego boost when she opens the door and is all, "holy shit, you are CUTE!" And I feel that I get an extra level of performance when she's not having to fake any enthusiasm on her part.
As for the wife, I made the mistake of marrying the hottest girl I could get. She was never that great in bed, and now after having a few kids she's mostly lost interest, so here I am.
I can't speak to the provider question, as I'm too old to look better than anyone except Sonia Sotomayor.
My ex was the hottest girl I could get, and she was as good or better than any provider I've seen so far. Not every hot chick is a cold fish in bed. If that were the case, there wouldn't be any really hot providers.
Guys, do you ever experience a situation where you are more attractive than the provider?
OR, you have a SO who is more attractive than the provider.
Does this diminish the experience for you at all? In the first scenario, it is a little weird to have a hot client. Inevitably, I find myself thinking about his wife/gf and how pissed I'd be if I were her!
I'm not a prettyboy but I'm tall, well-built, full head of hair, and don't lack masculinity by any means. I have also dated beautiful women. I don't consider any woman to be out of my league but to get a non-provider into bed is a major pain in the ass and more often than not, unsuccessful. I will see providers who are less attractive than the women I've dated and if they are intimidated by that it enhances the experience for us both. Believe me, even if he is better looking than you are it is still the highlight of his day and well worth it not to have to spend weeks courting you and listening to a bunch of yackity yack only to be dumped before the relation gets physical.
I don't like to be more atractive than my client. I used to be the representative diamant myself! Time to time it's reality with some Italian guy. Luxury gentleman with excellent pedicure/manicure and with posh perfect suits outfit..Everytime I am thinking about my garderobe and when I was at my manicure styler
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I used to be the representative diamant myself! Time to time it's reality with some Italian guy. Luxury gentleman with excellent pedicure/manicure and with posh perfect suits outfit..Everytime I am thinking about my garderobe and when I was at my manicure styler