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JohnyComeAlready 696 reads
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I believe if prostitution were legal in the states, big government/business. Would find a way to take a large percentage of the earnings. Resulting in a fast food/quick lube type service model.

 
The unregulated free market, has already produced this model w/out big G's help.
Posted By: GaGambler
Even in third world countries when prostitutes are paid very little by US standards, hookers almost always make a hell of a lot more than even "average" wages, much less minimum.

That poor hooker in Thailand or Ecuador who only charges $25 US an hour is still making ten to twenty times the rate of the average worker in her country.

Thinking about most countries that I have been to, including the US of course, a good rule of thumb is that the average hookers hourly rate will be somewhere in the range of two days pay for the average regular worker in that country, and her overnight rate will be somewhere between half and two thirds of the monthly take home of the average wage earner.

It doesn't seem to make much difference whether prostitution is legal or not, this formula tends to hold true regardless.

I certainly hope they would not, but it is a fact that more than a few gals have met terrible ends from this business.

The sad thing is that they would never get the recognition if they did make the list on account of their job being illegal; but should that matter from a statistics point of view?

Interesting observation:

Who's not on the list:  Police, firefighters, convenience store clerks, cabbies

How many non-independent gals would be payed a minimum wage?

Posted By: mrfisher
I certainly hope they would not, but it is a fact that more than a few gals have met terrible ends from this business.  
   
 The sad thing is that they would never get the recognition if they did make the list on account of their job being illegal; but should that matter from a statistics point of view?  
   
 Interesting observation:  
   
 Who's not on the list:  Police, firefighters, convenience store clerks, cabbies.  
   
 
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GaGambler624 reads

Even in third world countries when prostitutes are paid very little by US standards, hookers almost always make a hell of a lot more than even "average" wages, much less minimum.

That poor hooker in Thailand or Ecuador who only charges $25 US an hour is still making ten to twenty times the rate of the average worker in her country.

Thinking about most countries that I have been to, including the US of course, a good rule of thumb is that the average hookers hourly rate will be somewhere in the range of two days pay for the average regular worker in that country, and her overnight rate will be somewhere between half and two thirds of the monthly take home of the average wage earner.

It doesn't seem to make much difference whether prostitution is legal or not, this formula tends to hold true regardless.

JackDunphy597 reads

a D.O.P.E.? LOL

But maybe there was a reason you combined "Pussy" and "Economics" as to not slight my southern Asian redneck brutha! :D

GaGambler481 reads

and who ever said "Asians can't be rednecks" lmao

Dear Gambler:
I am just wondering when you alluded to the compensation of the third world worker while taking a look at the disposable income of the men who live there, is that the reason why they would depend on the tourist for a primary customer since the average worker would not be able to compensate them at a rate at which they could live?  Also I am just wondering would the white collar\ or more affluent people who live there not patronize sex worker on that level as much as the tourist who aren't in possession of that much disposable income.  Also being a hobbyist would you say that they would be a rare commodity with the options of pay for play being less since supply would be lower in those countries? Also would she do well to go to more population dense areas such as Columbia and Sao Paulo where she could increase her rate of compensation since there would be more disposable income in those countries.

Posted By: GaGambler
Even in third world countries when prostitutes are paid very little by US standards, hookers almost always make a hell of a lot more than even "average" wages, much less minimum.

That poor hooker in Thailand or Ecuador who only charges $25 US an hour is still making ten to twenty times the rate of the average worker in her country.

Thinking about most countries that I have been to, including the US of course, a good rule of thumb is that the average hookers hourly rate will be somewhere in the range of two days pay for the average regular worker in that country, and her overnight rate will be somewhere between half and two thirds of the monthly take home of the average wage earner.

It doesn't seem to make much difference whether prostitution is legal or not, this formula tends to hold true regardless.

GaGambler689 reads

In most third world countries I would agree that tourist make up much of the market, them and rich locals. Even here at home the guy who makes Thirty grand a year and has to support a family is not likely to be banging $500 hr hookers, or even "low end" $200 ladies.

Your second question is rather convoluted but let me just say, it's quite common for women to "go where the money is" both in this country and others. Women move from Iowa to NYC for opportunity in and out of the hobby, and in places like Brazil and Colombia, they also move from rural areas where they are from to urban areas where they can earn.

and there is no such thing as "lack of supply" Well over three billion people on this planet have a pussy, there will never be a lack of supply.

and is there really much of a difference for a Colombian who makes five hundred dollars a month paying fifty bucks to get laid, versus an American who makes five grand a month paying $500?

Working class stiffs in virtually every country can't afford HDH's, Hookers charge what the market will bear, regardless of whether or not it's legal, and once you think about it, the cost of pussy tends to be more dependent on the overall economy, cost of living, and average wage for the area much more than anything else including whether or not prostitution happens to be legal in that jurisdiction.

Your last paragraph makes a lot of sense and strengthens my argument about venue which is more critical in South America than it would be in the United States.  Although what you said holds true anywhere with respect to what the market can bear,it is even more emphasized in South America where the disposable income is even less. One has to consider population density and the average income per capita of their citizens when taking into account their economy.  Also if you took the tourist away from those places, the only way you might make some headway for the Local participants of the sex trade is to move a major multinational company there.
Barring a major move in which that company is avoiding any financial stipulations and regulatory agencies, their underground pleasure industry would take a hit and then the sex workers compensation comes more in line with what the average worker would make.  Thus I can imagine that hotels and a lot of other industries that effect tourist would be cheaper than those in economies of scale. Thus having more disposable income if one would want to cum.

GaGambler526 reads

Hookers make on average 10-20 times the hourly wage of the typical hourly employee in what ever market they happen to be in, even the places with little or no tourism.

I have been in dozens, probably hundreds of different cities around the world, and although I never really thought about it until now, this seems to hold true in everyplace from NYC to Quito, to Dublin, to everywhere else in the world, the more affluent the area the more the hookers charge and the less affluent, the less they charge, but it's always at least 10-20 times the average pay of the local wage earner. Keep in mind in some places the average pay is less than a dollar an hour, so even a ten dollar hooker is still making many, many times what she could doing something else.

I believe if prostitution were legal in the states, big government/business. Would find a way to take a large percentage of the earnings. Resulting in a fast food/quick lube type service model.

 
The unregulated free market, has already produced this model w/out big G's help.

Posted By: GaGambler
Even in third world countries when prostitutes are paid very little by US standards, hookers almost always make a hell of a lot more than even "average" wages, much less minimum.

That poor hooker in Thailand or Ecuador who only charges $25 US an hour is still making ten to twenty times the rate of the average worker in her country.

Thinking about most countries that I have been to, including the US of course, a good rule of thumb is that the average hookers hourly rate will be somewhere in the range of two days pay for the average regular worker in that country, and her overnight rate will be somewhere between half and two thirds of the monthly take home of the average wage earner.

It doesn't seem to make much difference whether prostitution is legal or not, this formula tends to hold true regardless.

89Springer726 reads

I believe if prostitution were legal in the states, big government/business. Would find a way to take a large percentage of the earnings. Resulting in a fast food/quick lube type service model.
Look no further than Nevada, were it's regulated by government, which takes its piece of the pie, and the quality at most legal joints is more of a fast food model. (Notice I didn't say all places. A resident Nevada brothel provider corrected me on that).

GaGambler610 reads

and while the State of Nevada mismanages the hooker business as badly as the Feds mismanage everything else. You can hardly say the that hookers in the legal Nevada brothels work for minimum wage. It might not be an ideal place to work, but many of those women make bank. I dated a lady who worked for one, and trust me she did every bit as good as any independent I know.

You didn't get that hung up on the word indypendent, did you?

I'm just saying, when(if) corporatism is introduced to the the market. Through the channel of
legal/decriminal-ization. There will be hookers earning a minimum wage.  

Posted By: GaGambler
and while the State of Nevada mismanages the hooker business as badly as the Feds mismanage everything else. You can hardly say the that hookers in the legal Nevada brothels work for minimum wage. It might not be an ideal place to work, but many of those women make bank. I dated a lady who worked for one, and trust me she did every bit as good as any independent I know.

89Springer577 reads

People are worth in pay what the rest of society is willing to pay for their time and talent. If you have a woman who looks better than average, guys are going to pay more than average to have sex with her. If she performs better than average, ditto. If she looks and performs better, she'll make much more than average.

I know that's simple, and most everybody here would agree. I can't begin to tell you, though, how many arguments I've been in with people who bitch about how much Oprah Winfrey or Leonardo DeCaprio or whoever makes. They make as much as people are willing to pay. Angelina Jolie could probably make a lot more money providing than she does acting. (Well, maybe that's a stretch).

GaGambler584 reads

and nowhere are hookers paid minimum wage. It may seem that way when a third world woman will suck your dick for $20, but that twenty bucks represents two days or hard labor for the average man in that country.

If someone tries to introduce a "McDonald's of prostitution" and offers to pay the women minimum wage, guess what? No one is going to work there. Even in the quasi legal MP's and Jack shacks, you have some downright ugly women making considerably more than minimum wage. It's just not going to happen, and the very idea is ludicrous.

89Springer707 reads

Oh, I wasn't speaking to what they make. I know they do as well as independents in NV and elsewhere.  I was just addressing some other points, unless I misunderstood them. That happens when you get old. ;)

It turns out that according to BLS, average wage rate in the US is 13.78 in the "leisure and hospitality" Industry.  So...

16x13.78 = $220.48/hr.  But the overall average is $24.31  or an hourly rate of 388.96.  

In other words a "fair" rate using the GaG metric is somewhere between $200 and $400/hr...

GaGambler560 reads

You will find the results are similar. It seems to matter not at all whether prostitution is legal or not, the economics seem to remain the same.

I remember reading that prostitution is absolutely the most dangerous job in the world for women.

Funny enough, dangerous job #2 was female liquor store workers.

Try dating. That shit is dangerous. I tried to date and thought, "shit. I can't screen this guy, and he has no references."

I think regular dating is scarier.

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