I seem to be in the minority, but I really feel that a BBBJ is risky, VERY risky. I was recently with a girl and she proceeded with a BBBJ and I couldn't stop her in time. I pulled away and cleaned up quickly (hot water & soap) She was really put off by it. I said hey look, you do things to protect your safety, I need to protect myself too... Am I too worried about nothing? I just seems that since 50% of all people have Herpes simplex one in their mouth, why do I want to stick my manhood in there uncovered? Is there something about transmission that I am not getting?

Why did you choose uncovered, then? You certainly have the choice.

I just had an argument over BBBJ's last night with my personal partner. Not a pleasant conversation...
And I don't want to cover all the time. Wish there was a place where we ladies could talk 'privately' as I really need to..

Sedona, if you need to chat privately, feel free to e-mail me. [email protected]

As for the question regarding BBBJ, it's too risky for me to enter into, but to each their own.  I don't know the exact stats, but it is riskier for the female than the male.  While it is nearly impossible to contract HIV that way, there are a host of other STD's you can contract.  Herpes and Gohnorrea (sp) being the most common.  And since they can be asymptomatic, the lady or gent could be carrying it, and passing it on without even knowing.

If you don't have any cuts on your penis, you aren't going to get infected.  If you don't have any cuts in your mouth, you aren't going to get infected.  Your skin and your immune system protect you from infection.  If they didn't, you would be dead.  You probably will know right away if you have cuts on your penis.  

Your mouth is more problematic:  Don't floss or use a toothpick immediatly before sex.  You can get little cuts in your gums.  Gargle with an antiseptic mouthwash before and after oral sex.  This will radically reduce any risk of infection.

Yes, there will still be a risk, but lots of things are risky.  If you want to eliminate risk, don't have sex with another person.  It's hot, sweaty, fluids are involved (and it's wonderful).

Some may tell you that there is only a .000001 percent risk, and that ther is nothing to worry about.
Well if you feel that that small percentage is still too much of a chance, it's still a risk and it's still YOUR choice. If a provider can insist on only CBJ why can't a hobbyist? I'm with you, I only allow CBJ. Next time, make sure that it is understood before your meeting. Some ladies prefer to use different condums for oral. It's your life and your health. Most ladies will understand,and will not be offended. I just went through this recently. I hesitantly asked a provider who's reviews all stated she did BBBJ, if she would mind using a cover. She smiled and told me no problem, and that I was silly for being nervous about offending her.
Hobby often & hobby safe!

Harry says "If you don't have any cuts on your penis, you aren't going to get infected.  If you don't have any cuts in your mouth, you aren't going to get infected.  Your skin and your immune system protect you from infection."

That is only relevant to AIDS transmission, but you are still completely susceptible to any number of STD's.

It always amazes me to see people talk about getting a cbj and then performing DATY.  In fact most of the reviews here (that I have read) mentionb DATY.

Am I wrong in thinking that DATY is a high risk behavior?

Guys, if you are going to have a BBBJ and DATY, you are kidding yourselves if you think you are any safer than if you do BBFS.  

I am not speaking for or against any of these activities.  I just think it's important to make your choices in an informed manner.  Do the activities that you want to because you know the risks and choose to accept them.  Not because you think they are safer than they actually are.

Waterclone is correct.  Clamydia is easily spread from saliva to the man's urethra (pee hole) and vice versa.  Some but not every man with gonorrhea or clamydia stop peeing straight and spray a bit.  If so, see a doctor and get treated!  I think hepatitis is a bit less easy to catch and HIV isn't efficiently transmitted.  Don't get me wrong and think that I'm on a crusade against BBBJ - it feels sooo good.  Decide for yourself.  However, if the girl give a crappy BBBJ, I'd choose a good CBJ with another girl any day.

... urinate after sex.  Same for ladies.  Cleans out the bad stuff.  Again, it ain't perfect.  If you want perfect, quit the hobby (your condom could have a small hole).

Shit, take away DATY and all that is left for me is my tiny pecker!! And that sure in the hell won't impress any lady!!

You don't need to impress a provider.  
Except to be ontime, clean, and pay up.

Herpes is a skin contact thing.  It isn't contracted through the urethra.  You can pee all you like, but you'll still be infected.

I am not sure about all the other STD's, but the point is that it's not as safe as you are implying.  You are welcome to engage in any risky activity that you like, but do it as an educated choice,

And, for god sake, don't try to convince others that something is safer than it really is?  If they believe you, then you are putting them at risk.  And just so you don't feel alone in your risky activity???

Here's the thing... and it's a NIFTY thing, I think anyways! If you protect yourself against HIV, you are protecting yourself against LOTS of other nasties.

If you really want me to go thru them all, I will, but please let me sum it up quickly by saying that most STD's (especially the baddies like Hepatitis and HIV) are transmitted in SIMILAR ways. Condom use protects against most of them. You're left with Herpes and Warts which can be transmitted via skin to skin contact... but the odds of such transmission are LOWER (not gone... much lower, though!) if there are no sores present. So a visual check is imperative there!

C'mere and lemme inspect you up close and personal...

Hugs*
Tamara

Here's some info about this disease for you.

http://www.thebody.com/fda/chlamydia.html

Chlamydia CAN be transmitted via the throat but is NOT carried in saliva. Please read this article for info...

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/Hepatitis/Q144866.html

What I've read says that the most common way chlamydia is transmitted is via unprotected vaginal or anal sex, it's less likely but still possible to transmit via oral sex.

Hugs*
Tamara

Vaginal or anal unprotected sex is much, much riskier than any oral sex you could perform...

Please read...
http://www.thebody.com/oralsex.html

Also please just go to google.com and type in HIV oral sex, STD oral sex, and a few other fun combo's and really read the stuff that you come up with. Yes it's POSSIBLE but the likelihood of catching or trasnmitting something via uncovered vaginal or anal sex is SO MUCH MUCH MUCH higher!

Best,
Tamara

Hi Waterclone,

I didn't make my first post "rational".  I apologize for that.  I responded emotionally to the some of the CBJ statements.  I don't believe I was inaccurate, however I don't think I was as helpful as I could be to carrying the discussion along.  
 
I do lots of things in life that have some risk.  So do you.  I usually have a choice of avoiding doing them or modifying the way I do them to reduce the risk.  If I modify my behavior, I modify it to reduce the risk to an acceptable level for me.  

At some point, I become indifferent to small improvements in the level of safety and choose my behavior for other reasons.  You do the same.  For example, you continue to see providers even though not seeing providers reduces your risk of infections.  Additionally you probably don't wear two condoms (or three) even though that MIGHT provide you with a marginally better level of safety (there is some evidence that double wrapping increases condom acccidents).

When a post starts out by saying some behavior is unsafe, I think the first thing to do is to ask quantifying questions about the behavior and it's alternatives.  (how unsafe and how much safer are the alternative behaviors).   When you get the numbers, then you have to ask about the quality of  the numbers.  Most clinical studies about sexual behavior have problems that make it difficult to generalize or draw conclusions about the results.   For instance, if somebody made claims that condom (a) was better than condom (b), I would be more convinced by a study that measured condom qualities in the lab than a study that measured the levels of STDs in a population using the condoms.  This is because the measures can get screwed up by differences in the populations involved in the study.  Since I am the one making the choice and I am the one who will insure the condoms are used correctly, I want the best possible condom.  If I was making a decision about public health, I might make the decision to recommend the other condom on the basis of a population study --- especially if the "better" condom was difficult for the average person to use correctly.  

There are lots of reasons to believe that STDs are difficult to transmit by BBBJs if people use good sense and the kind of precautions they teach soldiers in the army.  If  those things don't convince you and you want to do more, you will be marginally safer.  However, I don't think that makes people who don't follow your lead unsafe.

Regards... Harry.

Lot of guys in here are in denial in BBBJ. They'll stretch for any excuse to justify its safety but lets not kid ourselves -- it's very risky.

And So what if CBJ isn't AS pleasurable as bbbj...the peace of mind you get more than makes up for it.

Lot's of information on this subject. Most of the studies seem to deal with HIV. My question is - is it possible for HPV (genital warts) to be transmitted by oral genital contact? All my research indicates that the possibility is there, however it is slight. Anyone with experience or medical background willing to weigh in on this?

My apologies.

I was wrong.  Unprotected vaginal and anal sex are, of course, much higher risk activities than Oral.  But that doesn't mean oral is without risk.

Please, people, follow Tamara's links and advice to search the real web, and don't just take the words of other people involved in this hobby.

-- Modified on 10/12/2003 10:10:36 PM

The stats indicate that approximately 8% and possibly up to 16% of HIV transmissions by sex are through performing fellatio.