You scheduled a multi-hour date with a stunning lady with amazing reviews who was visiting your area via P411.  Total cost: 2K (or insert a high amount).  Her profile has a cancellation policy (which you did not pay attention to prior to booking) of 100% due if you cancel within 8 hrs.  An emergency comes up 5 hrs before the appointment and you have to cancel.  You don't check your email for a few days.  When you do you see several emails from the provider requesting the cancellation fee.  The most recent one says that because you were non responsive the provider is referring the matter to P411.  P411 has locked your account until you make the lady whole.

Never book a girl with a cancelation policy.  

First off I don't book with providers "in advance" like that, Secondly I don't book multi hour dates with HDH's that I have never met. Thirdly, I NEVER go days without checking my email.

1. Tell the provider to go fuck herself

Me neither, but you never know.  There are a few really hot ladies that have multi-hour minimums and I have capitulated before.  They have to be super hot though and that usually happens in a place like LV where the really hot ones may not respond to a 1 hr request.  Who knows maybe you get in a car accident and have to go to the ER and cannot check your email.  I could see something like this happening to many people.  Like you I find P411 to be VERY reasonable.  

I have been doing this for 47 years, I have NEVER booked a HDH touring gal, I don't book multiple hours with ANYONE I have never met, AND I don't make advance bookings specifically to make sure I am NEVER in this kind of situation. Any provider who doesn't make same day appointments doesn't have to worry about me bothering her. I know "shit comes up" so I don't make advance bookings that I might have to cancel  

Maybe so, but I suspect that this situation could happen to the majority of guys.

1 Pay up
2 Use TER Whitelists, References, or some other verification
3 Try to get another P411 account
4 Take a break from hobbying - too much BS
5 Stick with ladies that you have seen before
6 Attempt to negotiate
7 Combo

....not read her cancelation policy and worse by canceling a multi-hour date at the last minute, pay up. That said, I would not put myself in that predicament as I'm a last-minute monger. I would not book a session, knowing about the cancelation fees, no matter how fucking hot she is, and mind you with a multi-hour date that I haven't met her before regardless of what the f'kin inflated reviews might have said.  

How important is P411 to you? You could stiff her and maybe get blackballed...not cool but hey it's an option. Now I personally wouldn't do that but....some guys will. Then you'll be regulated to option 2.
But if you want to make it right, Pay up or try to negotiate with her ala Jack. This is what I would do. And then hope P411 takes you back, but get that in writing from the girl that all is cool.
Good luck, hope it works out

Generally avoid agreeing to contracts in which you find the terms unacceptable.

If her policies were presented upfront and I didn't read them, that's all on me.

In this as a hobbiest  then you’d better start thinking with your brain and not your pecker. Think with your pecker and you end up with this ridiculous scenario, one which I reject. If you can’t stand the price of admission (what it costs to fuck the provider of your choice, or to otherwise meet plain terms) then you’re in just a fool. If you’re so concerned about your bucks then think with your brain.

Rich people problem. Like GaG, I don’t book in advance and I don’t book multiple hours with ladies that I don’t know. But just to play the game, assuming arguendo your state of facts, I would make her a fair offer (+/- 500) and if she says no then I proceed to options 2 and 5 and rely on TER Whitelists and see ladies I know until it blows over.

In fairness Lester this contract would be void in every state in the union so the only way she could enforce it is through a voluntary association like p411.

Only if they never bother to check the girls ad site for a cancellation policy and then think about the ramifications. But that begs the question: Given there is a cancellation policy would you book or would you at least discuss the policy and potential exception events.

arguments I have seen here to support one of the reasons I don't use P411.  The other one is I don't want my personal info included in a treasure-trove of information about hookers and johns that may be an attractive target for LE.  

... which is not really surprising.  

Then pay up. Not her fault you didn't read it. If that policy is the smallest font hidden on the worst-traveled irrelevant page on her site (I believe you said it was on her profile on p411), youd have some point. If not, you kinda don't.  

I can see this happening.  But, as many have alluded, it would only happen to a frantic newbie (e.g. you discover that your fantasy PS is doing a rare "one time" tour in your area).

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No.  

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I would assume that most guys don't pay attention to that sort of stuff (cancellation policies) or ignore it unless the provider specifically draws their attention to it.  I would assume most guys look at pics, reviews, maybe Twitter, and that is about it.  Then book.  Similarly, I would suspect that some ladies never even access a guys P411 profile and most ladies that do access it don't take the time to read anything the guy wrote - they just look at his okays.

What if the deposit was $5 dollars, and penalty was $5 dollars. You would pay it. So, the contract isn't the issue it is the high dollar amount. I would pay it, because at the end of the day its business.

In this instance let's say that it isn't even really crossing your mind that you might have to cancel.  Until of course that freak event happens that results in you cancelling such as getting in an accident on the way or something.  This could be simplified so that more people can see how something like this could conceivably happen to them.

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I can't imagine myself being this careless. I'm pretty careful to read everything a provider has up online (ads, website, etc.), so I'm unlikely to miss the cancellation policy. But if I'm playing at a 2K price point I make sure I know everything about everything, and there's no way I would book a provider at that price with that policy.
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That said, I would pay up and consider it an expensive lesson that I should avoid being a dumbass.

I would point out that you booked a multi-hour date with a 100% short notice cancellation policy, so you need to pay the lady.

Come on fess up, YOU did this didn't you?

This is getting way too detailed.  

I am just a drunk from Texas, or is it GA? See I told you I was a drunk. lol

Nope.  Sorry.  I would never do this.  A provider that I saw told me that she does something like this, though.  She said that she has a cancellation policy and has guys acknowledge it via P411 PM.  If they violate it and don't wanna pay up she has their account locked until they do so.  She said that has grown to be a substantial portion of her business.  Obviously second hand information.

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These guys are fucking morons.

You are doing a GREAT job of twisting yourself (and your OP) into a pretzel trying to get the answer you want.

P411 FAQ only mentions suspending your account in one very specific circumstance.  If they were to suspend your account for this, let them know you had an emergency.   Like another poster above, I've found P411 admin to be very easy to work with.

and speaking for myself personally it would NOT be a matter of "how much" money it was, $5 or $5,000 I don't reward bad behavior and asking for a 100% cancellation fee is NOT the type of behavior I want to reward.  

One can honor a contract regardless of it's legal recognition.  Obviously that cuts both ways -- both provider and client in this biz depend on honoring contracts without protection from the law.

Agreed. But in this case the hypothetical monger had an emergency 5 hours before the session and notified the provider. He didn’t have a change of heart. He didn’t no call no show. The provider’s lack of understanding would dissuade me from wanting to voluntarily honor that contract. I’d be pleased to reschedule or pay a small fee if rescheduling wasn’t possible on my end. But paying the entire fee for the session would be out of the question for me.

Who owns P411 now? Who owns TER? I thought TER was bought up by.a Dutch group or other EU entity. But curious on P411.

Gina never revealed who she sold P411 to.  Probably a wise decision.

With so many options why would anyone book with a provider with either a cancellation fee or even worse a deposit.?

I don't think there's been any info on P411 ownership. The TER terms of service refer to "the laws of Cyprus," but no other info about its current arrangement. There's another forum/review board that transfered ownership to the Netherlands.

Negatory, I always assume that a provider that high in pricing has some sort of cancellation fee, and or deposit.  I personally don't shop that high, but i have in the past with Ryan Connor, I don't recall seeing either fees but certainly didn't pay a deposit.  That info is prominent on their P411 page and when I see it I move on.  I once tried to book with a provider when I was returning to the states and last minute she cancelled on me, no explanation, saved me some logistical headaches as I would have had to navigate NYC and make it back to the airport before my flight.  I make it a rule of thumb to due thorough research before hitting the booking button, to include making sure my schedule is clear for that day, otherwise is just bringing undue stress and drama.  Idk why this is a new trend, but I liken it to GPS, and I'm not transferring funds until we are in the room with one another.  

Because do I get a discount if I have everything set up from a hotel room booked to my time set aside (which has just as much value to me as she values her time) if she cancels?  No, I don’t.  
There seems to be too many double standards on the providers end than on ours. They need our personal information but they use a fake name and we know nothing about them. They have fees and deposits to protect them from us wasting their time but they can waste our time all day long. In larger cities they can attach traveling fees if they come to us but nine outta ten times they don’t take in to consideration time or location of where they advertise (meaning they will advertise that they are in Los Angeles when once you inquire they are in Hermosa Beach and your in Beverly Hills an hour to 2 hours away) do I get a travel discount? Ok, last one is kinda stretching it but I had to come up with third, so if you can find a better third that’ll be great.  
Point is way too many systems in place for the provider to get paid but if they waste our time in anyway VERY seldom is there any compensation for the value of time they wasted on our end. (Bonus payday is the 2hr minimum rule because “I want us to get to know each other and be friends” routine.  Yet, you get ghosted an hour after the session is done until you book her again. How about I just want to fuck, get out of the hotel room you have that stinks like cigarettes smoke and stale bourbon, you have your clothes scattered all over the place like a bomb blew up and get away from that yapping thing that keeps trying to lick me all over as it also watches us fuck on the bed that you call a dog.).
Am I Salty... No
Am I honest and straightforward... Yes

Combo of 1 and 6. Cancellation or no cancellation policy, you cancelled 5 hours before the scheduled appointment. Most providers would expect their full fee if they got cancelled on that close to the appointment