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In 1964, a friend of mine got severely beaten because he joined a group of white and black students riding together in a bus down to Mississippi.  They planned to forced bus stations in that state to allow black people to sit in the waiting room and use the same toilet as white bus riders.
Until a 1967 Supreme Court decision declared  "miscegenation" laws unconstitutional, it was a felony for a white and black person to marry in 12 of the 50 states of the Union. The decision was the Loving Decision named after an aptly named couple, the Lovings, a white man and black woman who had spent time in prison in Virginia for the crime of being married.
In 1968, a dear friend of mine returned from serving two tours as a decorated Marine in Vietnam.  Arriving in New York's JFK airport in full dress Marine uniform, he tried to get a cab to take him home to our neighborhood in Brooklyn.  He was black, it was late, he couldn't get a cab to take him. I was home from school and he called to have me drive out to get him.  He finished his long year in Vietnam and his very long trip home, waiting for me as I drove out to pick him up.  He was near tears when I finally got him.
These and many other similar things happened in the shockingly brief period since I entered medical school. Whatever happens today, we should be proud of our country.

I cannot imagine how emotionally powerful it must be for this woman to be able to vote for a black man... when the times she grew up in were so starkly different.

So are we voting to say we are not racist or are we voting for someone because we really believe in their policies and what those policies mean to our country? And yes I voted.

I would hope everyone has done some homework and is casting their ballot for the person they think will do the most to get this country back on track.

I for one have gone back and forth for the last year or so and still don't know if my decision is the right one. There is just to much mud slinging these days and I have tried to look at track records the best I can.

I have also imagined the vice President in command in both cases and how they would run our government if need be. Sad picture at best either way.

Why is it the great men and women out there no longer find it an honor to lead this country and want to step up to the plate. Are you telling me this is all we had to choose from. Also the President makes less money than those CEOs of big companys that have been controlling this country for far to many years.

This is not a place to say who you voted for or why but that you did...Yes history is in the making and I hope it will be for the good of all mankind. We as humans are in a very pivotal and volatile time when the human race could become extinct.

Now I know this is not the politics board but I do think this is a subject that concerns all of us. Those guys on the politics board would eat me up for dinner and throw away the bones  ;-)
I stand here before my peers, my friends and those I feel will judge what I say and open their own minds and express their own feelings as well.

If we can have a whole page of posts on the value of a Whor....I hate that word so I didn't post.

Ok now...Haley has just pulled her not so sexy panties down and is ready for a spanking..Please choose your weapon well...a feather, your hand, a paddle, a flogger, or a whip.

Kisses Haley

"Why is it the great men and women out there no longer find it an honor to lead this country and want to step up to the plate."

IMO, it is because we heap so much abuse and invade their privacy so much.  It takes both a huge motivation to serve plus a big ego to put up with all the non-stop crap to run for major offices.

Rudy

This campaign cost each individual many millions of personal dollars.  Its a very select and rich few who can even come close to contemplating a run for office.  Until there is true campaign finance reform we will always be be left with slim choices.

Cheers

George

Haley, you are so right, we are not voting to make history, we are voting to select the best person, but that is the very thing that makes history and rights the wrongs: we are seeking the best person without regard to race or, in the case of VP, gender. One never knows, of course, bur everyone I know has done what you and all intelligent people here have done: weighed the choices and gone for the choice that will give us all the best chance of a prosperous, just, free, and peaceful future.  

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a milestone on the road to the fulfillment of their aspirations for a fuller place in our society.

Whereas it would be wrong, for white Americans who might otherwise agree with Mr Obama's policies, to refuse to vote for him because of his race.

Like you, I hope that people have voted for the candidate that they believe in on a deeper basis than skin color.

But at the end of the day, neither party is going to do anything about the fact that we have a distribution of wealth and power in the US that is typical of a 3rd world dictatorship, with 1% of the population owning 25% of the wealth and controlling our economy.

More upward mobility is good, but is not by itself the answer. The use of wealth as expressed in the policies of publicly traded companies in this country needs to be regulated so as to be civilly responsible and contribute toward national goals that benefit us all.

Cheers

Gregory

I'm confused. How do you conclude Obama is an African American? Yes, his father was from Kenya but his mother was from Missouri. Has he ever been to Africa? He is an American citizen period! Why do black skinned people who have never been or are generations removed from anyone who has ever been to Africa want to be classified as or remembered as African Americans? Are they ashamed to be just plain Americans?
Yes, many Americans have ancestors who were responsible in history for the abuse of people and bringing Africans to these United States as slaves. But, that unfortunate time in the countries history has been over and laws put in place to prevent it in the future. Can't we let it be and go on with our lives? I annoys me that states like Maryland and Virginia are issuing apologies and dedications for something they (the generation today or yesterday) had nothing to do with. But, should we also be as responsive to those who were responsible for the Holocaust? After all it is more recent than slavery. Should all white skinned people feel responsible for the happenings in Darfur or any of the other atrocities happening in the world -even though they are not directly related to anyone actually involved?
Sorry for the rant,
An American

however, please note that I did not call Mr. Obama an African American - rather I pointed out something which should be obvious to anyone by now, which is, that an overwhelming majority of African Americans take pride in his election. America for too long has been all about skin color. Mr. Obama has and the same unsavory epithet thrown at him that was traditionally used against African Americans. African Americans identify with him not only for his skin color but his politics and his rhetoric.

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I am of Asian descent, but calling me "Asian American" is a good way to get punched in the face. I was born here, I was raised here,I think American, I speak American. I am American, no hyphen needed or wanted.

Black Americans desire to be called "African American" only perputuates the divisiveness in this country. Maybe you as a dual citizen are the one who "just doesn't get it".

You preach unity but the very word is divisive. If you really want to be offensive try calling someone who truly is African ie. Nigerian, Kenyan, etc call him African American and see how offended he will get.

And I am not offended to be called same because I value both of my countries, both of my cultures, both of my identities. I do not see that it is divisive to "hyphenate" yourself. I respect those who choose not too, and I respect those who prefer to do so.

If there is ever to be cultural unity it will not come without respecting all of our varying heritages and outlooks. It will not come by insisting that everyone abandon their identities. I respect that you prefer not to "hyphenate" and I appreciate your telling me that. I will be careful not to refer to you in that way. However, your preference does not condition others' choices.

I have not called Mr Obama an African American, because he is not. But the fact remains that African Americans identify with him in ways that they have not identified with Caucasian candidates.

If you do not understand the justifiable pride that the overwhelming majority of African Americans take in this election - the fact of it, which is obvious, the meaning of it, which requires certain sensitivities, then you just don't get it.

Oh - a question: are you old enough to remember the institutional racism against people of color in this country? That's a pretty key ingredient to understanding the significance of the Obama election.

And I know many many Asian - Americans (not referring to you here...) who prefer to be called such and take tremendous pride in the acknowledgment of their ancestry. I know Japanese-Americans who remember the camps to which their parents were consigned during WWII, and two whom this hyphenated identity means all the more.

Ultimately, to each his own. That's what conservatives just don't get. They want to be the arbiter of "American" or "Family" values. Problem is, most people just don't see things the same way. As is evidenced by yesterday's election.

these ideas have been long discredited, though many dogmatically cling to them. No further evidence of the fallacy of the "invisible hand" theory is needed than to chart the distribution of wealth in our society.

Cheers

Gregory

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Gregory didn't fit in the subject line, nor is it capitalized in your alias nor in mine. You assume that distribution of wealth= societal good.

Apparently, not everyone in Europe (where they tried it) is geopolitically naive.

November 1, 2008
HOW EUROPE LOVES O, BUT FEARS HE WILL SUCCEEDSarkozy: Thinks Bam will be BY AMIR TAHERI

WHEN Barack Obama launched his presidential bid 18 months ago, many in Europe
were attracted and amused by its exotic audacity.

Here was a 40-something African-American with less than six years of experience in politics,
only two of them at national level, who hoped to win the world's toughest job.

Even more interesting was that Obama wanted to win as a European-style candidate,
offering policies popular there a generation ago. Ideas such as redistributing wealth,
increasing the government's regulatory role, backtracking on free trade and emphasizing
"soft power" as the key foreign-policy tool had been popular in Western Europe until the
late '70s, when the Thatcher revolution started to change the politics of the old continent.

European advocates of old-style "social market" tax-and-spend economics saw Obama
as one of their own. "Greens" liked his opposition to drilling for oil, while the European Left
as a whole marveled at his gamble to win the presidency in a conservative nation on a radical platform.

The European Left liked Obama's promise to abandon Iraq in expiation of "the original sin"
of liberating it, and to acknowledge the Islamic Republic of Iran's moral equivalence with the
Western democracies by promising to talks without preconditions. Obama's anti-war rhetoric,
his promise of courting Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez (while attacking Alvaro Uribe the only
openly pro-US leader in Latin America) and his close ties to pro-Palestinian figures also
endeared him to the European left.

Nevertheless, few in Europe expected and even fewer wanted him to win.

The thrill was to see a US politician seeking to Europeanize US policies.
The fear was that he might actually succeed.

Most Europeans want the US to remain American - that is, to be prepared to do the
heavy lifting on their behalf, whenever needed. They like the fact that the US taxpayer
spends four times more on the collective defense of the West than does his European
counterpart. They like America's open markets, even as Europe clings to as many
trade barriers as possible.

For more than six decades, Europe has enjoyed the privilege of being protected by the
United States while indulging in anti-Americanism. If there was to be fighting, one always
called in the Americans - and then, once victory was assured, damned them for being
warmongers and "imperialists."

Thus, the prospect of the United States adopting the European model frightens many
in Europe's elites. Today, the US is guarantor of peace, stability or at least stalemate in
no fewer than 66 conflict situations across the globe. In many of those cases, Europe is
a bigger beneficiary of US efforts than America itself. Remove the US from the equation,
and Europe will be forced to do the job itself or retreat in the face of deadly enemies.

The last time a European power won a war on its own was in 1982, when Britain kicked
Argentina out of the Falkland Islands. (Even then, it had substantial US support).

Ironically, the Americans may take the "European option" at a time when pro-US parties
are in power in almost every part of the old continent. (The only major exception is Spain's
mildly anti-American government.)

France and Germany have kicked anti-American leaders out of power and voted in
Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel, the most pro-US major political figures Europe has
produced since the '50s. In Italy, Silvio Berlusconi presides over the most pro-US
government in his nation's history.

Earlier this month, as Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and the Rev. Jesse Jackson
unleashed their anti-US rhetoric at the World Policy Conference in Evian, France,
a number of European leaders from formerly communist states rose in defense of
the nation that had helped them gain their freedom.

As the US election approaches, few European leaders want Obama to win.
Sarkozy has expressed concern that an Obama presidency would enable Iran to speed up
its nuclear program and build the bomb before a new strategy is developed in Washington.

Berlusconi has told his entourage of "uncertainties" that an Obama presidency might
provoke on the international scene at a time of financial crisis and mounting Middle East
tension. Merkel has offered few clues about her preferences. But there are signs that she,
too, regards Obama's positions on a number of key issues as "problematic."

The central and eastern European leaders are worried about an American "retrenchment"
under Obama, allowing Russia to project power into the region as it did in Georgia.

Only the Left (in its diverse manifestations) and the anti-American Right root for Obama
in the hope that he would (in the words of France's Socialist former Foreign Minister
Hubert Vedrine) put end America's role as " hyper-power," and, in the words of Spain's Socialist Foreign Minister Miguel-Angel Moratinos, inaugurate the "post-American era."

These are curious times. The old pastime of America-bashing notwithstanding, the
American way of doing things has never been as popular in Europe as it is today.
Yet many in Europe fear that Americans themselves might vote for policies that were
tested and found to be failures in the old continent a generation ago.


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even in Europe.

And of course our usernames are not capitalized. However, when you referred to me as "greg" you used a proper name which should be capitalized. Further, you shortened my name to "greg", which I simply stated that I do not prefer. I consider such unilateral shortening of names to be rude, but then it is so common these days, that perhaps I am out of step....

Notice, however, that in my post, I did not connect an Obama victory with the solution to the 1% problem. I do not believe that either of the established political parties will provide that answer. The Democrats at best will attempt to shuffle the 20% of wealth that the 80% of Americans own, through changes in tax policy primarily.

Since this is the GD board, I would be happy to continue the discussion in depth on P&R.

Cheers

Gregory

I recently had a long conversation with a friend of mine who is black and she cried like a coal miner's widow (except they were tears of joy) that she had the chance to vote for a black man for president. I'm sure there were similar feelings when Jackie Robinson first played in the formerly all white majors but this is much bigger than baseball.

We should be proud of our nation for dismissing most of the incredible racism we've demonstrated throughout our history and doing so in only one generation. That's a remarkable change.

However, we will not know if the right person was elected for many years when we look back on history.

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