So just what does GFE REALLY mean?  Sure, in this context it probably means DFKng or the like, but I have a very different way of determining whether or not my provider/hobbyist activity is truly enjoyable.  Sure, we men get our surges of testosterone and need nothing more than relief from time to time and in these cases, a massage with HJ might be enough.

enjoyment as almost any activity if not offered with the right approach.

As The Beatles were wont to say:

It's all in the mind, you know.

I agree with most of what you said, however, I find that I do enjoy being with a "10" on occasion, like for my birthday. Because in addition to what you said about it being realistic, I also enjoy a hint of "fantasy" with my trysts. And my fantasies include being with beautiful, gorgeous women or women with a body to worship. I also like to dabble with younger but mature providers who float my boat. As you have mentioned, chemistry is the key however, you never know what you are going to get (kind of like Forrest Gump's mother's box of chocolates). When there is chemistry, that is when I come back again

You said, "Maybe my tastes are different than some hobbyists..." and then concluded, 'I do not seek out providers who are a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 as in my real world I would not seek out a 10."

...".the appointment is the most satisfying if it closely resembles a true, meaningful, intimate encounter between a man and woman.  The right chemistry is the key and of course, that is not simple to find.  "...

Yes, it is very nice to be with someone I would find genuinely attractive IRW, someone with whom I would probably really mesh.   That being said, I have had some great times with women that would not be realistic for me in one way or another (goes both ways - women who would never in a million years find me interesting in any possible way and women I would not necessarily go for).   Actually, that has been one of the greatest gifts this little sport has bestowed upon me, it has truly expanded my horizons.    

We learn something new every day.

Makes the most sense given what hookers are up against most of the time.  

You don't get it.  

Yes..........."beauty is in the eye of the beholder."  I believe, an amazing experience depends entirely upon each individual's perspective.

I sorta align with the OP's points, but you could say that I am more proactive about connecting. First of all, there is a huge difference between first appointments and subsequent ones.  If I think we'd enjoy each other, subsequent appointments ratchet up the connection.

You completely got it, good to know that someone gets my rambling.    Let's face it, nobody is attractive to everybody, and most of us are only attractive in one way or another to a small minority, but with a good attitude, respect and caring for each other as fellow human beings, it is possible to have a good time and leave with a smile.

I'll play mine: ATM. Simple. If there's chemistry, all the better for both but not necessary. Pay for performance, like Wall Street, Hollywood or window washers. Seriously.

NOTHING is wrong with that. If everyone thinks blondes are hot but I prefer brunette providers, then I'll look for that. But if I find what I hoped to find, that's a 10 (or whatever) regardless of what others like.

You tricks are a walking ATM and i have a pussy for rent. I got it...it is the ones that want a real girlfriend and get pissy because a hooker is not dripping wet when Ugly McFuck shows up.  

Personally i like massage, it bodes well to relax the john and it is full of human touch.  Nice to know there is john who doesn't mind a good act. Thank you for that.

I ask myself, "alright, out of the next 100 women I see, how many would I sleep with just based on looks?"   The answer is surprisingly low, especially for a guy who is not stuck on age or a particular look.  Of course, then I think about the ladies who work in the biz and that gives me a bit of perspective of what they may go through.   The one thing I have noticed, and it is a Captain Obvous observation, is that the more money the ladies have, the more attractive they are to me.   Then I wonder if I am simply liking the makeup, the nicely coiffed hair and the outfits.  Lol!   Anyway, if I am at  say NM  or some glitzy town, the percentage to which I can say "yeah, I would" is more than double than if I am at a more normal middle America setting.    Sometimes, I have played the game and the answer was 0 out of 100.   I think the highest score ever was 70, on a Saturday night sitting at a casino in Vegas - I wonder how many of them were pros.

My numbers are really high because I am in the environment I like. My numbers would be zero to about 2 in real life. Geez going to my gym is like porn to me...yummy tight muscle and not a beer gut in sight.

I don't think true GFE happens on a first date. All the "required" nuances may be there but a true GFE comes with time and familiarity. When you have a rapport with someone then that is when you experience a true GFE.

you can't get any more shallow, you let a little more outta  the pool"

her ad or when she shows up at the door.

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All my old girlfriends used to like me. There was no way around it. So what I hope for in a session is that the lady might like me. In real life like is like. In the hobby, there are varying degrees of like. If she really really likes me, the session will expand. Her menu might even expand. For example, she'll dfk for me longer than for anyone else. Of course, if she's neutral, which most are, it'll be a normal session. Now if she really doesn't like me, the session will diminish. She might rush me, ask me to leave early, go through the motions etc. So gfe to me means she likes me. Everything else, including the menu, will take care of itself.  

...while I agree you see a higher proportion of hotties than the general public, there are still those that are beginners in sculpting their physique. i.e. Still carrying the beer gut or thunder thighs.

To me, the definition of GFE is very simple. My definition is "the provider is there to enjoy herself."

It is not about the money for some. Yes, I want money! I have also had guys that I have gotten to know that had some financial issues and couldn't see me for a while. I actually missed them very much and worried about them. I am not saying I give it away for free. I am just saying that if you see someone as a regular and things happen where they are absent for awhile, if you really liked them... yes, you do miss them and think of them. I keep in contact to see how they are doing.

I can say that 85% of the members are in great shape.

Just like a john we hookers have likes and dislike. I keep myself in great shape and expect that of a bed partner...clearly not in this job but outside. Why would I go to all this work and settle for Ugly McFuck with a beer gut and man boobs...shallow enough for ya?

Are you referring to the sex you two have, that she orgasms for real or that she enjoys your intelligence, your wit or your sense of humor or fun or all of the above. Because I am sure many hookers have found some guys funny and witty but the sex, yeah...pass. And some have found the sex great but the personality sadly lacking.  

Kissing, conversation and she let's loose a little bit to also enjoy the time in the session. If I can also get to know them a little, I'll become a regular.

And.........that is why screening...........and trying to make a choice that fits MY criteria can go a long way to making this amazingly difficult occurrence even remotely possible.  You may be surprised at how often it HAS happened for me.

Yes......some fail to realize it IS a two way street and..........the best way to gain respect is to give it.  I have all the respect for providers and when I arrive for an appointment.........am confident it shows in my words and actions.  I made a choice to see her.........and she has taken a significant risk by agreeing to see me.

I totally agree as far as enjoying herself. That is also dependent on the gentleman as far as attitude, cleanliness and YES for some providers a willingness to reciprocate by the gentleman and yes for some, some what of an attraction level, however obtained. Physically or mentally or BOTH. Not all providers need the Reciprocation but some do and it's not hard to tell who. I understand your point but as long as there is no faking, I'm good and agree with you. I expect a provider to be nice, respectful, professional, great hygiene and a willingness to be engaged. That's about it and if I some how or for some reason I disgust the provider, then no need for the engagement or seeming into the actions. We just aren't a good fit and move on!! Again, if for some reason I repulse that lady, hey, don't fake for me. If some how my sex doesn't produce moans or orgasms or bliss (lol), please please don't fake with me. If I wasn't engaging, no need to act like I am being. There's probably a reason why I'm not!!! I've seen a lady four times that doesn't moan for anything unless it really feels good to her and I love it. The first couple of times, not a sound and it was great because I knew it was genuine. Could tell she was enjoying herself but would have been cool if she wasn't. That fake shit is needed by too many men imo (read reviews) and not even in P4P is it to my liking. Plus I have a radar for it. Lol. I'll start playing with a lady if she goes too far with it. Watch out for the "mimicking" lmao. That always makes me laugh. Or the change up in stroke. Like, I damn well know that didn't hit a spot. iM NOT EVEN MOVING. LMAO!!! Even some I like to death, I know were putting too much Hollywood into it but hey it's slightly understandable. They don't know I know but I do. It's all good. No need for all that stuff. Too many men in this hobby fuck that up and too many ladies who play into that shit as well. IMO! Major turnoff for moi but I understand the "pattern". Smh.

I get I am not the best looking guy out there and honestly I don't mind if the lady is realistic in that. I mean I choose her not the other way around, but what I am really seeking is a lady who will just enjoy what I do offer. Someone who enjoys talking and sharing and meeting people. Someone who will be themselves instead of the perfect little hooker. Part of what I enjoy is just the various personalities in this game. I love the sex, but to be honest sometimes I just don't work down there for medical reasons, but if the lady is fun and lets down her act I still enjoy my time and I honestly think most of the ladies do to. It isn't always about the "O"s, looks or the menu but about being genuine, outgoing, professional, and respectful. If a lady is those things I never fail to have a good time.

What I am about to say applies across the board...I feel the pervasive attitude that a buyer has all the power and because of that can, and do, treat those in a position of service with a somewhat entitled attitude.

And if there were not so many touchy egos we hookers could be more honest and genuine and still provide great service.  

You come across as a guy who has realistic expectations about this world and goes in with a healthy dose of respect. That really does go a long way. So with you, I am not surprised.

whether she actually enjoys herself or not is beside the point, she is there to make a living. Many people enjoy their work, but that's not WHY they are there. It's still a job.

That said, I believe a true GFE is one where she has convinced you that she is there to enjoy herself, but as the saying goes, "take away the envelope and you will see just how much she really enjoys your company"

Tried to reply to you.......offline.........via private email.........but your address could not be found.

I look at most things in a very simple manner.

The first can be negative but she can be pleasantly surprised and pull of a great session. The second one can be all positive and happy and then meet the loser and it all goes down hill.  

Zayla, very true as I now know after seeing you.  I would say you are the definition of GFE for me.