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team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 791 reads
posted
1 / 36
Should what Lena Duvall said here be posted on her website?

"In the rarer moments where a client who leaves a very critical review of a provider wants to go back and see that provider again, I've seen visceral examples of the dynamic devolving and I maintain that I'm personally not interested in getting caught up in a predicament like that. So my point still stands. And in fact, I'll push even further and say that anyone who perceives me in that manner and would broadcast those opinions, definitely don't try to book me a second time and kindly don't try to book me the first time. Don't reach out to me at all. Do leave me alone."

 
I believe this is valuable information that can help prospective customers who follow TER scale to not engage with this provider as to avoid puhsback.

 
I feel like saying this on a forum where very few people read the board is not merely enough.

 
I think that such policy which doesn't favor leaving an honest and truthful critical review, done according to the ter scoring policy, should be broadcast publicly.

hehitshewins 5 reads
posted
2 / 36
Simply, No

This is a dumb idea. First, it could be interpreted as scoring manipulation because those who choose to see her, and may want to see her again, will feel pressured to give her a higher score. And, you will have no way of knowing for sure if they are giving honest scores or ones to insure they can repeat. This needs to happen organically. If a reviewer feels she deserves a 6 or lower, that's what the reviewer should give her. If the consequences are she no longer wants to see them, then so be it. That's her choice, as much as it is the clients choice if he doesn't want to see her again. If he's butt hurt because he felt his 6 was generous and wanted to see her again, well tough shit.

-- Modified on 6/24/2026 4:04:38 PM

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 4 reads
posted
3 / 36
It IS a scoring manipulation

So again, why state it only on the forum but not on the website if it's true?

 
And Lena did say "don't reach out to me at all"  

How can one know to not contact her if she doesn't put this on a website?
Please do tell.

-- Modified on 6/24/2026 4:08:50 PM

hehitshewins 4 reads
posted
4 / 36
Your in the Minority

Most of us who look at a providers pictures and think, she’s a 6, wouldn’t book her. So her comments do not apply to most of us. A smart provider creates her website and ads to lure in her target market, not to keep out those she doesn’t want. While she may be the one who just broadcast it here, I can assure you there are many other providers who would not want to see you if they knew in advance you think they’re a 6 or lower.

-- Modified on 6/24/2026 4:36:02 PM

RespectfulRobert 2 reads
posted
5 / 36
Let me tell you what exactly should be on HER website.

Anything SHE damn well pleases. :)

tslucyjane See my TER Reviews 10 reads
posted
6 / 36
You're weird and have nothing better to do than troll

Wtf are you doing? Just let it go. You don't tell us how to run our businesses. We can include or omit whatever we want on our websites, your opinion be damned. Go read a book or something.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 0 reads
posted
7 / 36
Re: Let me tell you what exactly should be on HER website.

So let me get this straight. If she says for people who do x to not even reach out on the forum, why wouldn't she want to let people know this?  

 

Does she really want that then? Or does she want that but unable to publicly state this? Like what is the issue here?

briellehendrix01 See my TER Reviews 10 reads
posted
8 / 36
Yikes..

Sorry but I think you’re taking a statement and blowing it out of proportion. Others may agree with you, but she clearly meant what she said, so you posting this isnt a consequence- she might find it funny you designated an entire post, and others might interpret you and this post as crazy.  

Any place with shared opinions is bound to have disagreements.. and that’s ok. Be an adult. Blasting, passive aggressively posting, or attempting to influence others just bc they took a (subjective) stance says more about you, than the other way around! TER should screen posts like this from both ends; it’s only necessary if someone is robbing/blackmailing/deposit scamming/fake profile, etc

No provider or client is entitled to a 2nd booking (review or not). We all have our own autonomy. It’s your right to review, and it’s our right to deny.. we don’t have to list each and every thing YOU feel is necessary. While I see both sides, it’s important to know when to disagree and move on.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 4 reads
posted
9 / 36
Re: Yikes..

I think you're slightly confused. If you think I'm making this post purely because I disagree that is not the case!

Nowhere did I claim anyone is entitled to anything. However TER has its set of rules in terms of reviews, and I'm interested to see how these TER rules regarding reviews will interact with this viewpoint.  

 

And what do you mean "screen posts like this"? Posts like what? Did I call anyone any name? Did I make a threat of any kind? No ma'am. I am allowed by rules of this forum to quote a public post made by a poster in this forum and make it into a question.  

 
I simply pointed out that if a provider feels strongly like this, she (or he/they) should probably let the customers know ahead of time in the place where they advertise. How else would someone know not to contact her at all?

36363jensen 4 Reviews 4 reads
posted
10 / 36
Re: Yikes..

Yes, YIKES!

 
rocket you are the only person here that thinks what she said was some form of review manipulation or that a 6 is the type of score that most here think is one they would seek out. It is not a good score regardless of what you think. Her statement that she thought it would be a mutually agreeable outcome to not see one another again if the the customer though the session was only worth a 6. Clearly she was saying she thinks all the sessions she delivers are worth more. But if the client doesn't agree then perhaps they have incompatible preferences or wants in a session or just how various acts are performed.

 
THAT is a far cry from trying to say if you see me only give me 7+ or there will be trouble. It's not even clear that even if the goal were to filter out hard scores that that would be against the rules regarding reviews.

QueenBia See my TER Reviews 1 reads
posted
11 / 36
I can't believe you created a post on her.

No. She does not need to post all her fun facts on her website because 9 out of 10 times people don't read the entire website prior to contacting a provider.

🤔

MeetJayFawx 14 Reviews 5 reads
posted
12 / 36
tl;dr

rocket likes to argue. About anything.

There it is. That's your tl;dr.

briellehendrix01 See my TER Reviews 12 reads
posted
13 / 36
Re: Yikes..

I’m not confused.. it seems you are. You def made this post bc you disagreed (otherwise you wouldn’t have worded it so biased or passive aggressively). If your intent was genuinely to see other viewpoints.. why are you telling others not to book her in the same breath?

This post reminds me of moms who frivolously blast people or companies on Facebook - yes TER should screen posts like this. Just bc you didn’t make a threat or namecall doesn’t change what I said. “Know when to disagree and move on”. It backfired and you gifted the provider more traffic. You made it clear you won’t admit it, but you weren’t a curious George posting a simple question.. it was an attempt to influence her bookings and soft launch a smear thread; providers or clients shouldn’t do that unless necessary. Like I said, it says more about you than the other way around. While I hear you, your suggestion on what we list on our ad or website isn’t up to you. I also read “score manipulator” somewhere which is a hilarious and woe-is-me attempt to reduce our autonomy and place your right to review above. Ive said my peace. With love - BH

hehitshewins 5 reads
posted
14 / 36
I got an idea

team_rocket_qwerty should just tell providers his TER username when booking. This way any who pay attention to the boards can decide if HE is not a match for them. Control what you can CONTROL and sometimes you get what YOU want.

cks175 51 Reviews 7 reads
posted
15 / 36
Dumb Idea

Her statement only makes sense to TER reviewers. It wouldn’t make sense to non TER members and would only serve to confuse them. Her website is created to attract a wide swath of clients, not to cater to the whims of a small minority (possibly singular) of TER forum readers.

Lt_FrankDrebin 10 Reviews 3 reads
posted
16 / 36
Sea kelp. -E-


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team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 0 reads
posted
17 / 36
"why are you telling others not to book her"?

Excuse me?

She said herself she wouldn't want to see a specific type of client and they shouldn't even contact her in the first place.  

 
I didn't launch a smear campaign on anything. If I see a seller state such a policy and feel strongly about something, I would think such policy could be found on the website too.

 
Nowhere did I tell people to not see her or have launched a smear campaign or influence her bookings . It's nothing personal at all too.

 
I want prospective clients to be aware of this policy. What is wrong with that?

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 2 reads
posted
18 / 36
Re: I got an idea - but why?

There is a reason people use aliases on this board, including yourself.

Why would I ever do this? The ability to stay anonymous enables me to say what I think without fearing for me getting doxxed. I'd like to keep it this way.  

 
A provider who posts under her business name, however, and feels strongly about specific clients not contacting her - I think this should be broadcast, no?

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 4 reads
posted
19 / 36
This is her statement

"And in fact, I'll push even further and say that anyone who perceives me in that manner and would broadcast those opinions, definitely don't try to book me a second time and kindly don't try to book me the first time. Don't reach out to me at all. Do leave me alone"

 

It clearly says don't reach out to me at all if you would broadcast those opinions. It's pretty pretty clear.

And I said OK, if that's your attitude let's see what ter says about this when you put this on your website.  

 

"Clearly she was saying she thinks all the sessions she delivers are worth more"

A sellers opinion on reviews written by paying customers is irrelevant. User reviews are for other users to peruse. Anyone can think they're worth anything, any provider can think she's Sydney Sweeney, it's not really relevant. In reviews,no such thing as worth. A seller is "worth" whatever the reviewer gave the seller. Fin.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 7 reads
posted
20 / 36
Re: tl;Dr - that I wont argue with

Now THAT I won't argue with

hehitshewins 6 reads
posted
21 / 36
It's Been Broadcast

And the person the broadcast was intended for received it. Now you know not to book her. Mission accomplished. No reason to add it to her website. What do you expect her to post, "If you're team_rocket_qwerty from TER don't book me." ? Sorry, but HER website is not all about YOU.

-- Modified on 6/25/2026 1:30:48 PM

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 1 reads
posted
22 / 36
I didn't get the memo the message was for me and for me only

So no, I don't expect anything about me but rather the same statement she made on here to be put on her site.

I'm not the only person in existence on ter who has repeated with a provider whom we gave a six to.

 
Perhaps she should have been more clear and addressed me by name. But that's not what her statement read. It said "anyone". If this were addressed to me and only me, this thread wouldn't have been made

-- Modified on 6/25/2026 1:45:41 PM

hehitshewins 4 reads
posted
23 / 36
We Know Two Things

We know you were the only one in that thread, as well as this one, talking about giving out a 6 or lower to an ATF and repeating. We know she said that anyone who rates the way you just described not only should not see her a second time, but don't even bother booking her the first time. These are both in writing and the only absolutes. Anything else is how we choose to speculate. First focusing on the absolutes, her message is clearly intended for you.

 
Can we speculate that you are not the ONLY one who reviews this way? Sure. There's a likelihood you are not one of one. Based on the sample size in these two threads, however, I think there is also a fair argument that you, and whoever else out there may be like you, is in the far minority.

 
So, using the two things we know and what we can speculate, I think it's reasonable to conclude that minimally you were included in the "anyone" she was referencing. She did not use your name to insure anyone else who might be reading and thinking like YOU understood they too are being asked to not bother booking her. But, since we don't know for sure if they actually exist, the one and only thing we know is that the message is for YOU.

cks175 51 Reviews 5 reads
posted
24 / 36
Re: We Know Two Things (Excellent Breakdown)

One would think Rocket wasn’t so dense that he couldn’t realize he was the subject of the original post.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 4 reads
posted
25 / 36
Re: We Know Two Things

A thread is not representative of all the clients she might get.

 
So if she says "anyone" this means anyone. Yes, me included. But that message isn't fit me, it's for anyone who fits the criteria.  

Being a minority isn't a bad thing nor is it unusual.  

 
TER has some rules about reviews grade and providers interaction depending on scores, and I wanted to see if she would put her money where her mouth is, risking being chided by ter. I guess not.  

 
As long as her messaging includes the word anyone this means anyone who fits the criteria.  

 
"she said that anyone who rates the way you just described not only should not see her a second time, but don't even bother booking her the first time."

 
Yes exactly,  anyone who does this... so why not say this publicly? Broadcast it.  

This is the same issue as public negative reviews. Inability to take criticism. Okay, you can't take a criticism so we shouldn't book you second time, we shouldn't book you at all if we are gonna be critical.  

OK fine, so then dont be afraid to say it publicly. But some want to have their cake and eat it too.

If you are able to say it to anyone on the forum, why not say it publicly?

 
I will try to chase down every single seller who attempts to escape accountability and criticism.  

Have you noticed I have zero ssues stating things publicly, loud and clear ? Thats because I believe in what I stand for and I won't break my balls nor my word for anyone.

-- Modified on 6/25/2026 2:58:26 PM

VegasMilfLover 7 reads
posted
26 / 36
Re: We Know Two Things

When digging a hole, stop digging…

36363jensen 4 Reviews 3 reads
posted
27 / 36
Re: This is her statement

But I don't see any serious attempt to get anyone to up their review of her so where is that review manipulation you're claiming?

 
In the other post you were trying to claim a 6 is an okay score and providers should not be concerned about it and reviewers can and do given them when to providers they like and see often. You offered yourself as the example but you didn't say what aspect you rated the 6 for your ATF. I suspect that was for looks but you are on the record here as not caring at all about looks or age. So have you given any ATF or even some provider you've repeated with a 6 in performance?

 
Here you want to suggest a provider must be trying some type of manipulation by saying (paraphrasing) we'll both be better off if you think I'm a 6 just not seeing each other. But is a rather jaded and myopic reading. Moreover, how would putting on her site make any sense at all for anyone -- who can possible know how they will score a session before ever having it? Clearly your quoted bit has to be read as hyperbole.

NYCwelcome 5 reads
posted
28 / 36
Ignore him

Rocket is either one of the biggest trolls on this site or is genuinely on the spectrum without knowing/accepting it. He has a specific viewpoint on everything and cannot ever be convinced that anybody else could ever have a different opinion, and will argue multiple posts and paragraphs to prove it to himself that he is always right.

Ignore him and let the thread die out from inactivity.

LenaDuvall See my TER Reviews 2 reads
posted
29 / 36
Alexa, play "Obsessed" by Mariah Carey


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team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 1 reads
posted
30 / 36
He hits is the one who brought up "manipulation"

He said, if she puts it on the website then it can be interpreted as manipulation.

 
And that's precisely my point! TER, at least from what I've seen, frowns upon providers who have conditional actions (such as seeing /not seeing someone) that are dependent on particular review scores. And I want to see if ter thinks it's within the rules. And if not, we'll, c'est la vie and hasta la Vista baby.  

 
And what she said.. she doesnt want to even talk to someone who may rate her low and then try to see her again. It's like a low grade is an insult to her ego. No, it's just a low scoring review for a particular category. She'll live. What's next? Student telling a teacher to not grade their paper?  
An employee trying to shut down performance reviews? Company trying to shut down a YouTube review they don't like?  

After all we are on ter and I believe some rules need to be enforced and respected. It's enough disrespect when no one on here seems to respect the grading scale and treats it as some antiquated bullsbit when it's a very good scale that shows people the range right away.

 
Yes I've given atfs sixes for looks but really high grades for performance. But that's what I said in the other thread too.

But people want to make it out I'm the only one who likes a providers performance so much they don't care about looks. This isn't the case.

I have also repeated with some lookers that I've given 6 in service to but higher grade in looks. While understandably I'm a service over looks guy, the other way around is cool too sometimes. Sometimes you just feel like penetrating some young pussy ;)

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 1 reads
posted
31 / 36
Re: Alexa, play "Obsessed" by Mariah Carey

Perfect!  

Steph XO

RespectfulRobert 3 reads
posted
32 / 36
OMG!!!! Hysterical! eom


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Lt_FrankDrebin 10 Reviews 2 reads
posted
33 / 36
When digging a hole…


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Related Link: It’s all about the direction you dig in

36363jensen 4 Reviews 0 reads
posted
34 / 36
Re: He hits is the one who brought up "manipulation"

Fair enough, I didn't realize that and think he is wrong on that point.

 
And thanks for clarifying your bit on what was being score lower but if does still feed into what I was thinking. To a large extent I think this is a case of people talking past one another, which often happen when the devil is in the details. Others would need to clarify and if you disagree with what I'm suggesting, okay, but I think when most here say "She's a 6", or any other number, they are giving some overall assessment rather than specifically one or the other areas. When you say you repeat with some that you've given a 6 to it seems that is not on the aspect of the session you were prioritizing, which is a bit different. But is might also not be inconsistent or in disagreement with what others are saying. So to attempt to put the positions on a common footing,  do you repeat with providers you've given a 6 to for service when you're looking for a service queen session, or the reverse when you're looking for the beauty queen?  

 
I'll stop here because getting into most of the other areas is just too much -- who is or is not using the TER grading system correctly or as TER intended, can the numbers ever be something that one can make a direct comparison off between two reviewers, should a provider have to see anyone that makes the appointment (assuming screening was completed), should a provider be allowed to have an opinion of their own worth as a provider and translate that into some expected minimum score, or who is or is not showing respect for others. Anyone that has been around even a little while has their own thoughts and opinions and we've have plenty of discussions -- they are all much like all the big philosophical questions that have remained debated for ages without an agreed answer.

inicky46 61 Reviews 1 reads
posted
35 / 36
I believe the expression actually is...

"When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

hehitshewins 0 reads
posted
36 / 36
Some, Need Additional Instructions

The guy who takes this advice well, literally stops digging. Then there is the guy who just stops digging that hole. A yard filled with lots of small holes is no better than one with a smaller number of large holes. The instructions are to stop digging, not stop digging one hole just to dig up another.

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