Okay,
Let's suppose there is a very bad provider in your area: Stolen Pics, was banned from TER, threatens to out the clients that get to her room and decide to not stay because her pictures are fake, calls cops for other providers, gives fake references... the whole nine yards!
But word hasn't spread out about her as she changes names/phone number/email address very often.
As a hobbyist, would you like to be informed by a established provider-friend about this situation and this girl?
Or do you think it would be considered gossip?
Girls, what would you do?

I hate to ruin her business or be considered a bitch for telling my closer clients what she is up to.
But on the other hand I would hate to see some  clients I know getting ripped off, threatened and outed by this chick.
She has some serious issues.
Plus, if she keeps threatening to out the clients, it will become difficult for other providers in the area to screen them because they will be afraid to give out info.

I will probably just shut the fuck up, but I would like to hear your opinions.

Thanks.
Shy

I do not mind being looked out for. Friends have saved me from unneccessary drama on a couple of occasions.

Of course, credibility is important. I do have other resources, other contacts...

If I were to be misled about such a thing due to any ulterior motive, I would not appreciate it...

This type of thing could ruin a hobbyist. I would highly recommend you tell your clients and anyone you know about her

I would contact admin and ask him first about it so you dont get any shit for it

But would want to hear it from someone I knew. Someone stable.

Number one, I am not an ASP, so if you are looking for input from one, this isn't it.
That being said, I guess you might run the risk of being accused of gossip, but if your intention is to protect the integrity of the client/provider relationship, then good for you. Isn't that the whole point of this site, to inform? In my experience, when the subject of another provider comes up in the course of a date, I take the info I get seriously. I heard one lady tell me of a provider I had seen who was supposed to have found out all kinds of info on married clients, and then tried to blackmail them after a few dates. Not my problem, since I am single, but it was info I appreciated hearing, and never would have known if she hadn't told me. Was it true? I'll never know. I would not have seen the supposed blackmailing provider again anyway, (she was nice enough, and we only had the one date, but she was just not my type, too skinny) but she is pretty well known in my town, and think a lot of guys would appreciate hearing the news.
Tough call, I'd say if you have to choose between letting guys know and watching out for your own behind, (since she seems like a nut job to begin with) I'd make sure you don't have to worry about her messing up your deal before you worry about us. Bad providers are part of the game, and if you are in this hobby long enough, you will meet a few. Thanks for thinking of us. Good luck with your decision.

Out her at every turn. She's a cancer. I think you would be doing her a service in the long run. Self-hatred is a scary thing and in the wrong person, it could mess up the life of someone who's only care is to get some pussy and he's paying top dollar for it.

there's a band of brigands who will rob you, beat you, and leave you for dead."

To let folks know is a good thing.

Do it.

She is a cancer and needs to be removed. I would want to know. This could ruin the hobby for the entire area.

I'm a slightly bitter hobbyist because I had some negative info provided me about a favorite provider. The negativity had to do with how she conducted relationships in the grey zone between strictly business and strictly professional.

I've satisfied myself that that info was unreliably false and have adopted the position that I don't want to hear such about a lady who performs well for me.

Your situation is so egregious that I would want to hear about it. There is no grey area here for me. I'd want to know so I could safely avoid.

Tell anyone that you feel is stable enough to use the information wisely.

You can not get a personal stake in this but if you can simply & calmly warn your clients to be wary of this one, that should be enough.
There are some in my area who have bad reps & the ter reviews corroberate the drama.  A lady's stage name should be valueable as her reputation for good service...  multiple names, reinventing onself is a warning.
One more reason I stick with well reviewed TER ladies.
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will know that you're looking out for their interests as opposed to the ones who will think you're just stirring up drama.

If our relationship was established... then absolutely tell me. If we are newbies together, I think it is more problematic. On one hand (double standard here) I'd want to know and be appreciative. On the other hand I have no way to verify the information and know if it's cat fighting or real.

Remember, no matter how much I want to believe what you tell me, I know I am paying you to "laugh at my bad jokes" and tell me "how nice my dick tastes". Healthy skepticism and denial held together... I love it...

This woman repeatedly called visiting and local providers alike leaving cryptic, bizarre messages & submitted dozens of threatening reservation forms through provider websites.

The IP address was traced to a hotel she is known to use.

A letter was sent to her telling her to "knock it off" recently and she responded with a convoluted story about how a client stole her phone and was harassing people with it (right).

She is known to have reported two former doubles partners to local authorities.

She changes her name every 90 days, uses fake or hyperaltered pictures, calls me personally a million times a month asking for my photographer, web designer and other trivial things etc and is generally a pain in the ass.

She has been banned and resurfaced just this week.
I contemplated reporting her, but don't care enough.  I'd rather just keep my eye on her and a safe distance.

Leave it alone.  Warning clients will turn you into a gossip and a pariah and even worse, when it gets back to her you will be her sworn enemy and she will try her best to take you under.  Its best not to catch the wrath of a psycho - trust me, they never go away.

First off, with respect to your story I am not casting it as an exaggeration at all.

However, in my long experience in the hobby, I have heard from one provider bad tales about another and then also heard bad tales from the other provider from the first. I take the information with a grain of salt and have learned the hard way not to get involved as a hobbyist

The very next week we find the above accusers providing doubles and say, WTF and begin shaking the head.

She can also get information back to you and you find yourself in her cross hairs trying to take you down. Consider that part of it real hard before making rash decisions.

If a guy asks you about so and so, then that is another issue all together.

no matter what you think of this provider, undoubtedly, there are guys and other providers who adore her.
So, with that in mind, be careful who you confide in.  If you tell the wrong men and women, YOU will look like the bad seed and it is your business that will suffer.
Think carefully before you proceed.  Sometimes, it is best to say nothing.
Good luck!
Belinda

Do not volunteer any info. As a client I'm visiting for the sex, not the other stuff. an experienced hobbyist, doing research, should find out for himself about this lady.

It is none of your busniness unless, If a client ask you directly or you get a reference using her. why open your mouth.

There are always bad apples, pimps, drugs, thieves, etc.. I see pics and hear things that make my jaw drop. but,

remember you are the company you keep.. So stay away from that crowd. keep your mouth shut and always Cover your OWN ass..........

No easy answer here, but always look out for your best financial interests.  And in the words of the chain smoker on X-Files, keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.  This lady is not your friend.

I would not out this lady, I would keep the information to myself.  If you out her and she finds out, Lord knows to what length this psycho will go to, to ruin you.

It's examples like this that has led me to refuse giving too much screening personal information such as first/last name and work location.  I respect a ladies screening requirements and realize I'm losing out on seeing some very quality ladies.  But just way too much risk in running in to a psycho like you mentioned.

I would hope for you to discreetly share this info with me. Just as I would certainly give you a heads up if I was aware of a bad or dangerous potential client lurking in the bushes. Sometimes we need to watch each others backs. Now...if I was a new client...not sure if blurting out warnings is useful or wise.  Acyually, every once in a while I will hear from a fave who wants to warn me about someone. It is always appreciated, and trusted , because I know them.

First off, if anyuone is going to say anything about this woman, they better be damn sure that the proof is 100% positive.

Now, with that said, there is another issue that you need to consider. That issue is YOU. Although I agree that this woman is a parasite, you need to be a bit selfish here. Think about what could happen to YOU. As admirable as it is for you to want to look out for your clients, think about what she is capable of, as far as YOU are concerned. If she is capable of outing hobbyists, and blackmailing them, she will stop at nothing, if it comes down to ruining your life.

Should someone ask, specicically, about this woman, you could simply reply, "Well, I've heard some bad things, but I'm not sure, so I really can't say". Leave it at that, and refuse to say any more. That, in itself, will plant a seed, and possibly make them a little wary, but it still may be best to say nothing at all.

perhaps I was too hasty.  YES, I would want to know.  But YOUR first duty is to YOURSELF, specifically to PROTECT yourself.  If you believe this person is doing the things you say, like calling LE in on others, then you must not cross her publically.  You must assume that anything you say will eventually get back to her.  Obiviously, you'd prefer to have nothing to do with her.  Perhaps in the future one of you will relocate to a less drama laden environment.
You do not suggest making a public outing...  you suggest warning your "closer clients what she is up to".  NEVER put anything in an e-mail which is too easy to forward.  If you really care about your select clients, you could reply "Call me".  What you do know is the pictures are not her.  That should be enough.  But remember your first duty is to protect yourself.
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I still feel bad for the guys tho.

Thanks everybody!

You need to take care on Number One. We're all big boys here, and hopefully able to take care of ourselves. Protect yourself, and you'll still be around for some of us to meet someday.

Youre smarter than I as when in that sorta same situation, I didnt shut up. My problem was I was so worried about the guys as my situation was far more dangerous than yours.

I will tell you something I found out about that. Truth is not tolerated here and no good deed goes unpunished.

Being that she is a college of sorts, it ends up looking like, troublemaking. When the reality is far from that. My protective nature learned its lesson. So my advice is... Say Nothing.

tyvm,P.T.

Re: Keep the information to yourself. precisely

same goes not talking about hobbyist to another hobbyist. being around awhile i know how to handle it and being thoughtful if what is asked general not detrimental to anyone don't volunteer information, no need to talk bad about anyone what does it prove? nothing. have a terrific day wonderful wkend everyone

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