: TER General Board Discussion : We're all adults here . . . .

Mannix45 2051 reads

posted 8 years ago

1 / 28

Ladies – if you’re going to advertise, please make some effort to do it right. Most (not all) horny mongers scrolling through ads on our cell phones are thinking with our eyes and dick. We’ll never find your beautifully written descriptions if we don’t click on your dark blurry ad photo. So, a few tips for what it’s worth from a guy looking for a quality date in the 300-600 range on P411 or EROS:

1. It’s good to be on top! We click on the first ad that catches our attention. Rarely do I get beyond the first page.
- P411: pop for the Featured Ad or Top Listing or just log in frequently to bring your ad closer to the top.
- EROS: Nice to see the Diamonds/Girls of the Day before clicking my interested category but don’t always scroll beyond. Anchor your ad at the top of a category if there’s many choices to compete with.

2. Make the picture pop! Use bright colors. Add a little hot pink, turquoise, or red to stand out. While you may look great in black, sultry in a dark room, or have a cool artsy silhouette portrait but it just doesn’t grab attention in a laundry list of tiny photos to scroll through.

3. Make it real. A face and body glamour shot is great if it’s a fair representation (not 10 years old). Just about any phone can take a great picture if the lighting and scene are right. A cute face goes a long way but use a light blur if you don’t want to show your face (not a black marker or cute sticker tricks). Body parts are attention getting if done tastefully and it’s recognizable. If you’re using the stock flower photo on P411, you must be pretty hard to look at or you’re trying to hard to be UTR.

Note on selfies: OK to complement other photos but limit the number of “the hold your phone in the mirror" shots. Have a client take one instead. Also, clean up the background – no one wants to go to an incall after seeing a douche, drugs, take out food, or junk behind you in the photo (real ghetto).

4. Be Found. Fill out your profile completely on P411. For example, if my search criteria has age, height, or weight and you leave any of these blank in your profile, you’ll never appear in results. Also, list under the major city not the suburb you're in (i.e. Burlington vs. Boston, Tempe vs. Phoenix) - it's all the same to a traveler and the locals will find you. List in EROS categories…for example if you’re looking for a mature guy, list in Mature even if you’re a hot 35 yr old. I’ll always click mature to weed out the immature providers of any age.

It’s a pet peeve that ladies go through the trouble of advertising but make themselves look less desirable than they really are or are never found by searchers. Hope this helps.

John_Laroche 186 reads

posted 8 years ago

2 / 28

Bordering on TLDR, and I disagree with about half of it.

Posted By: Mannix45

1. It’s good to be on top! We click on the first ad that catches our attention. Rarely do I get beyond the first page.
- P411: pop for the Featured Ad or Top Listing or just log in frequently to bring your ad closer to the top.
- EROS: Nice to see the Diamonds/Girls of the Day before clicking my interested category but don’t always scroll beyond. Anchor your ad at the top of a category if there’s many choices to compete with. IT'S NOT WORTH THE EXTRA MONEY. GUYS WHO CHECK THESE ADS EVERY DAY OR SO NOTICE THE SAME OLD FACES ON TOP AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY SCROLL BY LOOKING FOR A NEW FACE.

2. Make the picture pop! Use bright colors. Add a little hot pink, turquoise, or red to stand out. While you may look great in black, sultry in a dark room, or have a cool artsy silhouette portrait but it just doesn’t grab attention in a laundry list of tiny photos to scroll through. THE RED AND PINK ARE OVERDONE BY SUPPOSED PRO PHOTOGRAPHERS.

3. Make it real. A face and body glamour shot is great if it’s a fair representation (not 10 years old). Just about any phone can take a great picture if the lighting and scene are right. A cute face goes a long way but use a light blur if you don’t want to show your face (not a black marker or cute sticker tricks). Body parts are attention getting if done tastefully and it’s recognizable. If you’re using the stock flower photo on P411, you must be pretty hard to look at or you’re trying to hard to be UTR. THIS I GENERALLY AGREE WITH. IF YOU MUST HIDE YOUR FACE, USE A SOFT BLUR. GIVE A HINT OF EYES OR SMILE. PLEASE DON'T THINK YOU'RE FOOLING ANYONE BY AIRBRUSHING 20 LBS OFF. OTOH, A PIMPLY ASS IS A TURNOFF.

Note on selfies: OK to complement other photos but limit the number of “the hold your phone in the mirror" shots. Have a client take one instead. Also, clean up the background – no one wants to go to an incall after seeing a douche, drugs, take out food, or junk behind you in the photo (real ghetto). PICS TAKEN BY SOMEONE ELSE CAN ALSO IMPLY YOU HAVE A MANAGER. MOST MONGERS PREFER INDIES. YES, HIDE THE NEEDLES.

4. Be Found. Fill out your profile completely on P411. For example, if my search criteria has age, height, or weight and you leave any of these blank in your profile, you’ll never appear in results. Also, list under the major city not the suburb you're in (i.e. Burlington vs. Boston, Tempe vs. Phoenix) - it's all the same to a traveler and the locals will find you. List in EROS categories…for example if you’re looking for a mature guy, list in Mature even if you’re a hot 35 yr old. I’ll always click mature to weed out the immature providers of any age.

It’s a pet peeve that ladies go through the trouble of advertising but make themselves look less desirable than they really are or are never found by searchers. Hope this helps.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 156 reads

posted 8 years ago

3 / 28

John, if you only . . . . .

disagree with half of it, you must have just gotten laid and are in a charitable mood. Lol I'm sure you know that a few times a year, a guy comes along that has seen one or two dozen hookers and now he's an expert on how they should run their business. Some of the ladies here are not shy. Soon, one of them will tell him, "MYOFB." Lol

Its always amusing to me when guys that don't know how to select a provider that is compatible with their own tastes want to shift the blame for their poor decision to the provider. Its not her fault. Pass him some cheese to go with his whine.

GaGambler 193 reads

posted 8 years ago

4 / 28

I know I get irritated when some hooker comes here to whine about guys who can't wash their own ass

I can just imagine how the ladies feel when some douchebag that nobody even knows comes on here and tries to tell them how to run their business.

I think the OP needs to take "trolling 101" rather than trying to lecture women about how to market themselves when nobody asked for his opinion.

PrettyWittyKitty See my TER Reviews 253 reads

posted 8 years ago

5 / 28

The difference is providers know how to run their business more that men know how to wash their ass

So learn how to wash your asses before telling us how to run our business.

GaGambler 174 reads

posted 8 years ago

6 / 28

Well aren't you just the charmer

I am actually on your side this time, but you have such a nasty fucking attitude it makes me want to disagree with you.

I know not a lot of potential customers are ever going to read this, nowhere near as many as would have a few months ago, but is this REALLY the image you want to present to the mongering public?

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 160 reads

posted 8 years ago

7 / 28

Re: Well aren't you just the charmer

I have to agree. Ladies don't want to see men who dislike, or appear to dislike women. So what guy is going to want to see a provider who seems to dislike men, or at least the guys who are in P4P? I have written off a few ladies because of their personas on these boards.

lopaw 29 Reviews 206 reads

posted 8 years ago

8 / 28

Hopefully you'll follow your own advise should you come back in the next life as an escort....

....but until then don't offer advice unless asked.

rrasha88 See my TER Reviews 155 reads

posted 8 years ago

9 / 28

Thanks but no thanks.

P4P has been around since our first tree-dwelling ancestors traded a coconut to bust-a-nut. The raison d’être hasn’t changed over the ensuing 10,000 years. We’ve managed to succeed without your counsel.

KalyEscort 174 reads

posted 8 years ago

10 / 28

hilarious

Thanks to tell me how I run my biz.

1- To be on top is not easy, if you have 200 providers and 200 wanna be on top. Tell me the way to can have our place on top at the same time. And in some websites the order is random, we don't choose it, the system shows the profiles in different order. Using the bar down will not generate cramps in your fingers or give you electricity. You can use it without fear, unless you are too lazy.

2- If I buy electric colours for my lingerie I don't use it a lot, guys prefer Black, Red or White. So If most of them ask me for this colours, I'll invest on it.

3- Yes when you show the face on the pics you have more calls, but not everybody deal with the fact to show the face openly (for many reasons) and you should show more respect about this desition. Some guys prefer selfies or amateur photos because there're more real, other ones professional photoshoot because have more definition, others videos. You never will satisfy 100% requests. So better do what make you feel more comfortable.

4- Let me write what I want and if I don't appear on the results I'll take the responsability.

Your marketing plan is about you, but for proper stats we have more info, because is not about you, is about what customers prefer and for this you don't have idea, you are not taking our phones calls.

John_Laroche 179 reads

posted 8 years ago

11 / 28

Colors

Black, red, or white? I thought that was just for car colors.

gggdickson77 21 Reviews 158 reads

posted 8 years ago

12 / 28

I like being on top as well!

I love being on top as it allows me to pound away!

GaGambler 200 reads

posted 8 years ago

13 / 28

Kaly, I agree the OP is a misguided moron

but that doesn't mean he is wrong about EVERYTHING.

One thing he did get right, and it's something a lot of savvy providers already do, and that is in regards to staying "on top" on P 411. It's true that you can't all be on top, but if you want to stay at, or at least near the top, all it takes is to log in frequently and that should be enough to keep you on the front page on all but the busiest of markets. IMHO Staying on the first page is important as most mongers (myself included) are rather lazy creatures, we start at the top and work our way down, and once we have found what we are looking for, we quit looking. lol If your profile is buried on the third page, it's very unlikely that someone like me is ever going to look that far.

This of course is specific to P 411,as you correctly point out, other sites work much differently.

gggdickson77 21 Reviews 170 reads

posted 8 years ago

14 / 28

question?

Mannix45,

Just a quick question how many ladies do you see and how much do you spend per visit? Just curious if really know who the clients are. Some ladies might like the hour or half hour crowd stacking customer on customer. Or others only see one a day or maybe one or two a month. Some like hour dates others like travel dates or overnights.

Just as not all providers are right for me not all clients are right for each provider. I believe it is not quantity but rather quality. In my over 38 years in this game, I only have 8 providers who made it to my $100,000 club. To find the next club member I have a very specific screening process.

Just like some guys and gals do not appreciate my habits, some ladies might not appreciate your well-intentioned suggestion. This forum is not so forgiving, even for a board with a limited number of participants.

For what it is worth sometimes it is best to keep quiet. Sorry.

GaGambler 175 reads

posted 8 years ago

15 / 28

Even solicited advice is often unwanted

You are a perfect case in point, You actually "asked" for opinions about the way you do things and by and large you weren't too wild about the replies. Unsolicited advice is almost never well received, especially when a virtually unknown customer takes it upon himself to tell people how to run their own business.

His post might have been better received if was a reply to a provider looking for advice on how to increase her business, or how to improve her ads/website. But simply making a blanket statement to all the women about how to do things that he most likely is clueless about, except for his own narrow views of course, he invited the abuse that inevitably followed.

KalyEscort 152 reads

posted 8 years ago

16 / 28

Re: Colors

Posted By: John_Laroche

Re: Colors
Black, red, or white? I thought that was just for car colors.

hahahaha ohhhhhhhh come on, nobody can resist a good cowgirl riding a wild horse!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 170 reads

posted 8 years ago

17 / 28

Re: Colors

Black and Red together in a lingerie ensemble on a beautiful young provider is instant wood for me and my hand unconsciously reaches for the phone. Lol

KalyEscort 159 reads

posted 8 years ago

18 / 28

Re: Colors

Posted By: John_Laroche

Re: Colors
Black, red, or white? I thought that was just for car colors.

I swear, I buy lingerie of other colors and they ask me do you have red? do you have white? do you have black? They are the 3 colors that guys always ask me, the vinyl and leather makes them crazy. I think they transfer the taste of cars to our lingerie hahaha now make sense

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 174 reads

posted 8 years ago

19 / 28

For you, having a girl in your $100,000 club . . . .

may mean you saw her three or four times. Lol For me, $100,000 with one girl would mean I spent way too much time with her and therefore missed out on a lot of others. I probably don't spend what you spend overall, but sometime in late August, I will be crossing the one million dollar mark (I don't count collateral expenses on outside dates, only direct compensation to the girls. I would still have the collateral expense if I dated a civvie girl on the same outing, so the $2500 I spend last weekend counts nothing towards the one million, as the girl received nothing directly for her time.), but it took slightly over ten years to get there. However, because of the cumulative addictive nature of this lifestyle, my spending is weighted about 40% the first five years and 60% the last five years, as I slowly lose control. LOL The good news in the spending department is that I don't have enough time to do more than I'm doing now.

KalyEscort 187 reads

posted 8 years ago

20 / 28

Re: Kaly, I agree the OP is a misguided moron

Posted By: GaGambler

One thing he did get right, and it's something a lot of savvy providers already do, and that is in regards to staying "on top" on P 411.

This of course is specific to P 411,as you correctly point out, other sites work much differently.

Of course to be on Top or 1st page have a cost, also have benefits. I'm listed in more than 50 websites, international guides, not all of them bring me customers, but I have the opportunity to leave the link to my web and for Google is good, that's help me for position and search.
The websites that I'm having calls and this calls become in real dates, I pay for VIP positions. Now after Fosta-Sesta I'm trying to se the way to replace BP, not easy, I discovered Google Adwords campains, twitter... But take time.
Every escort guide has their own rules, sometimes there're ridiculous, other times they're very practical and the system to manage your information in the ad and position it''s very comfortable. But that doesn't depend on the escorts, that depends on the webmaster that manages the directory.
In Spain there are two very popular websites where to can be in the Top you have to subscribe to a waiting list of at least 6 months, because they have limited places and you have to wait for another girl to stop paying to access. Then a fool comes and asks you why you don't pay to be on the 1st page...

souls_harbor 159 reads

posted 8 years ago

21 / 28

Circle jerk as usual

All the same circle jerkers come out ...

Here's a thought, when a customer tells you what he likes ... maybe give a listen.

He may not be speaking for all customers, be he is likely speaking for a segment of them.

Yeah, gaga and cort and lopaw and all the other "big swinging dicks" have to grab each others man meat and start yanking how great they are ...

But they are just one segment of the customer base as well.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 160 reads

posted 8 years ago

22 / 28

Souls, nice to see you back . . . .

But you seem really stressed. Has it been a while since you've had some pussy? You're coming off as a bit uptight, not your usual even-keeled self. You're part of the group of regulars here, and no one discriminates against "small swinging dicks." There's room here for everyone, not just the big swinging dicks.

I don't think Lopaw has "man-meat", but I would consider grabbing what she does have if I didn't think she would come out swinging. Lol

Guarddog111 259 Reviews 220 reads

posted 8 years ago

23 / 28

Re: The difference is providers know how to run their business more that men know how to wash their

Prettywittykitty = dumb cunt

GaGambler 164 reads

posted 8 years ago

24 / 28

So articulately put, you really have a way with words

but that doesn't mean I disagree with your conclusions. lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 164 reads

posted 8 years ago

25 / 28

We're all adults here . . . .

No need to sugar-coat your comments. Tell us what you REALLY think of her. Lol

petitenicole See my TER Reviews 156 reads

posted 8 years ago

26 / 28

How come

More people didn't respond in kind?

Actually I found it helpful, in these uncertain times.

Wish more people had added ideas.

Thank you for your post.

Pn

Mannix45 167 reads

posted 8 years ago

27 / 28

Sorry

Wow - Apologies for not positioning this more positively. Intent was to provide advice (from one POV) on the advertising aspect of this biz -Not telling anyone how to run their business. Hoped other guys would provide their views on what ads work and don’t.

Outside this hobby, businesses pay a lot to marketing professionals (I’m one of them) to position, design, and place a good ad. Here, ladies do it themselves. Some ladies (no fault of their own) may not have the basics. Certainly there are ladies that do a fantastic job with ads/websites that attract clients they are targeting which contributes to their success. I should’ve taken the angle that some ladies are marketing genius.

It’s interesting to see some in this group quickly condemn opinions and jump to conclusions of personal attack on a simple topic like advertising. Doesn’t encourage participation. So, sorry this misguided douchebag moron stepped into your private discussion group, it won’t happen again.

SimpleFolk 160 reads

posted 8 years ago

28 / 28

I can certainly understand..

your angst on the ads.

Wonder what mongers think of websites that have multiple pages explaining personality etc. in such such detail that I such have to skim

All I want is a brief description, some recent/accurate pics, rates and calendar and I'm good to go.

Multiple paragraphs do increase the chances of people missing out on information and lead to 'darn people, the information is listed on my website'.

But that is just my opinion.