Ok so a gal does everything GFE EXCEPT the penetration... can she still be considered a GFE???

Wife experience.

Does not say no BJ or HJ.

Girl friends traditionally accept the penetration, GF don't usually do the penetration... There are always exceptions.  

daty or kissing or dfk, or etc etc  

Technically... I suppose you could... I mean I did have a few girlfriends in HS & college where we enjoyed each other orally... but never stepped up to more... not for lack of trying on my part mind you... but they just weren't ready...

In the common usage of GFE, the answer is no, but you can do whatever the fuck you like.

Since most of us sign up at some point in our lives... then reality sets in...  

es, the definition of "GFE" will always be a subject of debate. Some view DFK as an essential component; while others require a BBBJ in order to classify the session as a true GFE experience. Others may be fine with LFK and a covered BJ. But if a lady advertises as a GFE provider, then I would expect at a MINIMUM to have sex with her. I can't see how one could classify herself as a GFE escort and not offer sex to her client. Really?  

Sometimes I feel the term "FBSM+" is very close to what you are calling "GFE-"

involved than  typical FBSM+ then what category is a massage like this???

i used to agree but now so many  gals  say fbsm+ is ONLY a bj ending and my PLUS is so much more than kust that  so I need to create a new name lol

Yes indeed. In fact, the provider who I think does "GFE" better than any provider I've met doesn't do FS with clients. But she's amazing at what she DOES do.    I had a GF like that once, a long long time ago. She was "saving herself" for marriage, but she did pretty much everything except FS.  

Put on your website you are GFE and state right next to it "No Full Service."  

Perhaps a new category of sevice could be created to describe this
 Kind of service.  

I guess she could add a GFE style FBSM which would include at the very least kissing and a bbbj.  

f you say your a GFE provider, then I would expect sex. If you say your a GFE provider who doesn't offer sex, then I would argue your not a GFE provider.

Yeah, if she clearly states she is no FS upfront and then adds a few GFE touches, why not?  

You had me worried, some of your recent posts have been almost coherent.

Not the destination. I have had FBSM+ sessions that I would label as GFE (Kissing, cuddling, bed instead of a massage table, non-rushed.)

Your marketing angle is that you take FBSM to the highest level without full service. Make the client CLEARLY aware of what is offered and what is not on the menu (sex)

Just because something in which you can not interpret does not negate the fact it is coherent.

What's a journey with out a destination?... Try asking a neighbor for directions.

That would be FBSM with BBBJ, DFK, DATY, cuddling etc, but no vaginal or anal sex. I don't see a problem with that. However if an ad just says GFE, then most guys will assume full service. Main thing is that expectations are clear. I would say that I have had GFE sessions that did not include intercourse.

Is there a quantifiable reduction in requisite donation? Internet porn or salt-peter would seem a much more practical as well as fiscally prudent alternative.

If a GFE is defined as a sensual & cuddly experience ripe with lots of DFKing and associated acts of intimacy why would lack of penetration cancel that? I have had plenty of what I consider GFE with both providers and strippers and there is no penetration of any type involved. But it is without a doubt a GFE

I offer FBSM and it is on a table in order for me to actually give a good massage. There is some kissing and a mixture of HJ and BBBJ. I don't offer DATY, leave that for the FS package. And not even a peep about GFE.

yes advertise GFE with out specifying no full service is a fraud.

Many areas have different expectations. I know a lot of places where only a hj is included, and apparenyly in Minnesota it is quite common to have a self finish.

and I bet you over 90% of the guys here will feel the same way.

I am not a "run down the list of menu items" kind of guy, but no sex is certainly a deal breaker for me. I would NEVER have a GF that would not have sex with me, and that goes for temporary, paid GF's as well. Sorry,

BTW if you decide to go forward with calling yourself GFE despite all the advice here not to, I guarantee you will get a backlash from the market, which most likely will include some "rip off" reviews.

Ok, this must be regional... cuz' uh... MASSAGE is manual.  Hand-y work.  

No, not on my book at least. That's why I have learned to tune out the term GFE the way I tune out the term FBSM. Reason being is that both have been manipulated to become so vague and meaningless in such way that they can mean anything by anyone depending on the time of day and humidity factor in the air... among other factors!

"Sex" by itself is not clear.  What exactly do you mean by "sex"?  There's oral sex, digital sex, full sex (vaginal and anal variants), DIY sex i.e. masturbation, BDSM sex, ...

That's how we did it back in the day. Technical virgins, but every other horrific was tapped. Good method for birth control. Sure, that's have. But it has to include DFK but and DATY.  

I have no idea why wives suddenly think they are the boss, and it's not just my former, society supports that they are the boss. You see it in commercials all the time (the state farm one with the wife being all bitchy about "who are you talking to at 3 in the morning" and insisting that he's talking to a woman even though he told her it's state farm) and there are many other examples, too many to list.