I don't understand the dinner date. Why would I want to pay 3 or 4 hundred an hour to buy a girl dinner? Isn't part of the purpose of seeing a provider to avoid all that muckity-muck?

What could I possibly talk about over dinner with an escort anyway?

I'm interested in hearing what other gentlemen get out of the dinner date, and what the ladies who do dinner dates think about it. Are there providers who specialize in dinner dates?

Thank you in advance for your input.

rik

Mr Ricker,

I suppose if all you want from your escort is to "avoid all the muckity-muck" and have sex, you have a sound perspective. It's kind of like drinking, if you want to get drunk, some cheap booze will do the trick, HOWEVER, if you want to enjoy your drink, there are some wonderful wines and beers that cost at lot, but to some of us are worth the price for the experience of enjoying.

Basically, the things you talk about with an escort are limited by both your imaginations and limitations for subject matter you consider appropriate for public situations.

Your choice of adjectives and adverbs causes me to perceive that you might feel significant distain for providers, or maybe even women.  I suppose I might ask why you pay the extra to see an escort vs. a street-walker or Massage Parlor type?

But if what you are desiring is to experience the ABSOLUTE TIME OF YOUR LIFE with an escort and dinner companion, if you are in the LA area, Luscious Laurel is magnificent.

I like them for several reasons. I don't get to go out very often with someone, so it's a welcome change when I do. And I can't deny that it's an ego boost to be seen out on the town with a beautiful woman. Also, I think it's a great opportunity to get better aquainted with a lady. I believe higher levels of comfort on both sides leads to better playtime. Another thing is I like GFEs, and to me, dinner dates just seem like a natural extension of the experience.

What to talk about? Hey, escorts are people too. They have feelings, opinions, and experiences to share just like any other dinner companion you could have. The ladies I've had dinner with were wonderful company, and I thoroughly enjoyed those moments.

>Why would I want to pay 3 or 4 hundred an hour to buy a girl dinner?

Many of the escorts in Los Angeles that favor dinner dates do not charge the same hourly rate for longer sessions that they do for short sessions recognizing that longer sessions contain a lot of "social" time. I can name three top Los Angeles escorts (Ali, Nicole of Southern California, and Luscious Laurel) who all effectively charge $100 per hour for time PAST 3 hours.

A common pattern seems to be to discount the second and third hours at $100 per hour less than the first hour and then charge $100 per hour for additional time (e.g., $300 for one hour, $500 for two hours, $700 for three hours, $800 for four hours, $900 for five hours, etc.).

I suspect that escorts who discount longer sessions go on dinner dates much more frequently than those who charge a flat hourly rate.

Plus, if you get a group of guys together it is not unheard of for the ladies to accept dinner (or lunch) invitations to good restaurants and come on their own time. They get dinner/lunch and make some contacts that they don't have to worry are LE or worse. The guys get to meet the ladies in a social situation. Not all ladies will do this, of course, but some will and it seems to work for everyone's benefit. As well as providing some very enjoyable and memorable times.

>Are there providers who specialize in dinner dates?

Yes, I've already named three in Los Angeles.

>What could I possibly talk about over dinner with an escort anyway?

The same things you would talk about with any woman on a dinner date. Some of these women have a brain as well as a body you know. You might even find that you could learn something by letting them talk and listening.

The late Faye Desiree once came to lunch with a group that I am associated with and I don't think that anyone who was there will ever forget it. Among other things she discussed the thirty-minute female orgasm (she was seriously into Tantra) and it looked like she was almost having one at the table. Plus, she was one of the greatest story tellers I have ever heard. (Those of you who heard her first chat on TER where she spun the fantasy of being raped by a centaur know what I am talking about.)

Faye, we will always love you and we miss you dearly.

I am a dinner date provider and enjoy the time a client consider spending with me out in public and will make it my business to make the evening a very lasting one for him.

I'm puzzle about what you asked regarding why the dinner date.
I read your reviews and when I read them i could not beleive that you could give top reviews on three of the girls and make the complaint that you made. (ass hoe) But when i read all the positive replies to your question it put a big smile on my face.

Thanks to all the guys who appreciate all the classy ladies.

Muckity muck!

The muckity muck that you are paying to avoid, is still not there. The lady sitting next to you is still a sure thing... maybe you've even had a nice private appetizer at her place before going to a resteraunt for sustenance and refreshment, only to return to her place for desert... There is no need for you to feel insecure with the lady in question, she is yours for the time of which you speak (unless you act like an ass, in which case all bets are off, always), and the time you are paying for is more than likely somewhat cheaper because you are paying a dinner date rate. Whether it is your thing or not, lots of gentlemen love to do this, at least those who are not nervous of being spied by a neighbor or something!  

As for what you would talk to me about... darlin', what would you talk to anyone about? The weather? Afghanistan?  Have you read any books lately? (I have... Uncle Tom's Cabin, Rebekah and Sara of the women of genesis series, Heinlein, Heller, Vonnegut, Ayn Rand) I love to read, love to talk about books. I always tell anyone who'll listen all about my doggies!!! =:O  The future, the past, anything in between, SEX, what do you want to talk about? That much is up to you... We aren't robots, nor blow up dolls yanno... we do have working functioning brains in here

Hugs*
Nicole

enjoy these ladies on a dinner date. So many are so well versed in so many areas that you would never be at a loss for conversation. They're smart, they're funny, they're lovely to look at while enjoying a meal. And, ... you know that they are all yours ... I should be so lucky ...

pt

With Practice. Practice. Practice.

You get comfortable being with a beautiful woman and before you know it, you just hang with beautiful women. You get comfortable giving and taking with a beautiful woman and pretty soon, this is your style, your fit. Your comfort zone is improved.

You don't think this works???? Lyle Lovett was married to Julia Roberts. Comfort zone...

Now backing up a little... I understand and appreciate the taste of a fine wine but I'm a bottled water kinda guy so the dinner date deal is pretty much beyond my means. Does not mean I don't understand that it's a better way to go. More complete. More fulfilling. Just more fun!

I'm sorry I came across as disdainful or complaining to most of you. The truth is, I was trying to be ironic in my phrasing. I guess I was just being moronic.

If you take a look at my reviews, as Performanceperfe did, you'll see that I enjoy and appreciate the providers I've seen, and take particular note of the stimulating conversation.

I'm thinking the dinner date is the next step in my personal adventure and am seriously looking for input like each of you have been giving me. I particulary like the comparison between getting drunk on cheap booze and anjoying a fine wine. Thanks The Truth And Only TheTruth!

Nicole, I know YOU have a body and a brain. I've read many of your posts and you have stimulated me from 3000 miles away, without ever having met.

Still, I'd like to hear more about the dinner date. The reviews tend to gloss over that part and I'd like to hear the Juicy Details, as it were, of the time spent over a meal or some other activity.

Also, can anyone tell me of a provider specializing in the dinner date in the SF area?

Thanks,

rik

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It makes me feel special, it's exciting, I love wine and champagne and having sexy and intelligent conversation and meeting new people and and food and sex......it beats the one hour quickstops anyday!
*coo
morgan ashley

Anyway, I know of an NYC provider who does the dinner part for free because she appreciates the 'getting familiar', and she realizes (as the original poster expressed) it doesn't make a ton of sense to pay some dame $500 bucks so you can feed her.

In fact, I was with another NYC hottie recently, and her agency pimp called her after our hour and tried to get her to urge me to take her out for an after-the-fact dinner, for $500! We were actually already eating down in the hotel bar, for free, other than the cheeseburger and ale. A girl's gotta eat. So she lied to the pimp.

This would serve as a response to the earlier posting about hobbyists bothering providers by suggesting actual romance and socializing. I rarely recommend it to the gal, other than subtily letting her come to me and suggest it. Providers like to socialize too. If chemistry is right, it happens frequently enough.

I'll know who to look up when I'm in LA.
rik

Your apology is ACCEPTED hehe!

As to what EXACTLY happens on a dinner date, well that is going to vary on innumerable things... ie: it DEPENDS... where you are, who you are with, what the chemistry is like, how risque you are feeling, and above all how drunk you get me. LOL! Just kidding! Kinda!  Seriously though I think your best bet for a lot of fun is to talk to a provider that you already know you feel comfy with and see if she would be up for it, and what her rate is.  If it's someone you know, you're not taking a chance of being STUCK with someone you don't like.  (Always meet a lady for an hour before you book a multiple hour appt... that's my opinion... make sure you click!)  

Wanna go out girlwatching together? Bet I can pick someone up faster than you can woo hoooooo!

Hugs*
Nicole

Thanks for the great advice! I have no doubt you could pick up a hot babe faster than I could, but I'm up to the challenge.

rik

Would a "lunch date" be at a somwhat reduced rate? I love outdoor lunches. It seems to me dinner qualifies for a longer appointment. On the other hand, a short lunch date is a good way to see if the individuals have anything in common - besides  a possible sexual get-to-gether  that is.

I need time to warm up to new aquaintances in particular, and I really LIKE getting to know someone, and sharing great food and drink is a wonderful way to do that.  We talk and flirt, get pampered by the service staff, and enjoy sensual pleasures, all of which is the perfect aperitif for GREAT sex!  Sometimes it's hard to wait until we get back to the room.
:-P~~

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Talk about a great dinner date. She is a great conversationalist; and the more comfortable she is with you, the better the dessert is!!!

A three-hour lunch date, in addition to the four-hour one I currently offer.  I will think about it for when I return from vacation next month.  Thanks for the idea.

It appears that you have never had the pleasure of spending an enchanting, unhurried evening with Felicia Foxx.  If the “muckity-muck” to which you refer is finding your self seated at the best table in the house with the most beautiful woman in the room, then “muckity” me more.  As far as the topic of conversation, how wide is your breadth of interest or imagination?  I have found Felicia to be a world class conversationalist, seemingly equally at ease asking me about my day or discussing art, travel, music, movies, her fantasies or mine. All of this, while being utterly charming and incredibly sexy.  She has never been at a loss for words and I have never been bored.

Do yourself a favor Riker, get in touch with Miss Foxx, book a dinner date and you will undeniably understand  just how incredibly special Felicia can make you feel.


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I will likely follow SexyCurvesDC's advice and ask about a dinner date with an incaller I've enjoyed seeing. However, can anyone recommend a good dinner date in the SF area?

and can double yer fun! OF course, you might be in a coma the next day ... just blame it on the chocolate mousse that you ordered for dessert!

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ummm, I've got a great recipe for chocolate mousse pie. Lots of melted chocolate, cookie crumbs, and whipped cream ... and there's always left over whipped cream, heehee.

pt

Holy S---, I think I WOULD be in a comma. I'm getting light headed just thinking about it. Oh, wait, my other head is getting heavy.

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I've missed you.

pt

You dear, sweet, beautiful woman – you can put me in whatever position and condition you want!

A real man knows when he is wrong. Apology is ACCEPTED from me also.



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Laurel, I don't think that it takes you any time to warm up, only the water. But I must say that the dinner that I shared with you and your magical feet were truly a remembrance.

The sexiest part of a woman is directly between her ears.  (Now I wish more women thought that about men.)

Soc.  (Not Brad Pitt.  Not even close.)

Re:Muckity muck!

Depends on whether or not they are similar books??  Although I was out for drinks with a (guy) friend from work last night and we were talking about Vonnegut - all downhill after Breakfast of Champions.  (His books, not the conversation.)

I have never "gotten" Ayn Rand.  What am I missing????  I'm largely Libertarian and I STILL don't get it.  Finally got late Heinlein, though.  Farnam's Freehold.  Yowzum!!!!!

Re:Muckity muck!

Vonnegut I can talk about... but I hate him! I love his books, at least, I love it when I'm reading them, but they are so depressing they make me wanna kill myself =:O Sirens of Titan was the WORST, for depression levels!!!!  I never made it to Breakfast of Champions, was that one depressing too???? Depressing books feel like *whining* on paper to me!

I dunno, what'd you read by Ayn Rand? I haven't read her philosophy books, I've read Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, and Anthem.  I must admit to skimming a bit of the speech in Atlas Shrugged, love her tho I do.

Here's a quote from Atlas Shrugged...
"She knew that fear was useless, that he would do what he wished, that the decision was his, that he left nothing possible to her except the thing she wanted most - to submit. She had no conscious realization of his purpose, her vague knowledge of it was wiped out, she had no power to believe it clearly, in this moment, to believe it about herself, she knew only that she was afraid - yet what she felt was as if she were crying to him: Don't ask me for it - oh, don't ask me - do it!"

*siiiiiiigggggggghhhhhh*... Of course that's not the ONLY reason I love her but I'm not going to try to get TOOOOOO intellectual on these boards!

Heinlein, please don't forget my favorites (I loved Farnham's Freehold too, but...)... The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, To Sail Beyond the Sunset (think of me as Maureen and you'll *get* me!), Time Enough for Love... Ah he wrote SO MANY!!!!!! I'd do him if he were still alive, just BRILLIANT!!!!

I looooove to read
Hugs*
Nicole

That is a good question, and I see there have been lots of thoughts and replies on the topic.

I think there are actually TWO questions here...the one asked, and the one not asked, but assumed by most of the respondents. There are LOTS of reasons to have dinner with an intelligent, beautiful woman (and yes, I put intelligent first on purpose).
As a general rule, I prefer the company of women to men (not saying that I don't LOVE my closest male friends... my "boys"...they are always close to my heart... but I rather be in the company of a female stranger or distant acquaintance versus a male of the same ilk). Many of the respondents to your posts shared some of those reasons, and I know for myself, there are few things I enjoy more than getting to know an intelligent, interesting, attractive woman over a fine meal. It is an unfortunate weakness...part of what contributes to my "womanizing".

Having said that...here comes the flames part...I have NO IDEA why guys PAY for the privilege of having dinner with a woman (escort or no). This personally strikes me as desperation at its worse…you are going to PAY somebody to spend time with you? Mine you, my perspective might be all whacked on this issue…I HAVE a GF to go out to dinner with, I HAVE dated veryattract ive women in the past (I’ve since learned they tend to be more trouble than they are worth), I HAVE been in relationships (albeit fairly short term and casual) with ASPs before. I’ve even gone out with (“off the meter”) with a couple of escorts that I’ve met via “the hobby”. My point being…since I’ve done these things, perhaps the allure isn’t as great for me. I dunno. I do know that I can’t imagine EVER paying a woman for her dinner (or any other besides sexual) companionship. Being a gentleman, I am going to of course pay for all of the expense and activities. In exchange, she has an opportunity to enjoy my company, just as I have an opportunity to enjoy hers. For me, to pay her implies that MY company is somehow worth less than hers. I realize this is what she does for a living…and just as I charge people for MY time to do what I do for a living, she is in her right to charge for her time. I guess that so long as I know I can spend time with a woman without having to pay for it, I never will. Of course, had you asked me a year ago would I ever pay for sex, I would have laughed my head off…pay for sex…you kidding me?


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I wouldn't it call it desperate, but that's me. A lot of people would say paying for sex is desperate too. It's odd how you say in one breath that you'll never pay a woman to spend time with you as long as you can do it for free, but at the same time, you actually pay women to spend time in bed with you even though you have a GF, who I would imagine doesn't charge you to have sex with her. How do you reconcile such diverging thoughts?

People are looking for different things. If all you want is to get your rocks off, then any inexpensive street walker should be able to do that. Hell, you can do it yourself for free. But some folks want more than just orgasms. They enjoy the company of the ladies just as much. I suppose you also have a hard time understanding why some guys get lengthy appointments. After all, you can't have sex for 4-6 hours straight, let alone for an overnight visit. Well, at least most of us can't. LOL

I get longer dates and dinner dates because I enjoy being with the ladies, regardless of what we're actually doing. Sex is wonderful, but sometimes, it's a nice change to do different things, like dinner or a show.

I agree wholeheartedly with pussy.  Heart and pussy.  

A man's mind, and the soul and spirit ... course, we need a body to hang onto and hug and kiss!  

The excitement that a man can generate from between his ears is powerful ...  comes from the spirit and soul.  well let me give you two positive examples.

One man and I got so excited about the things we were talking about, then the kissing. A couple of hours later, we realized that we'd both gotten so lost that the revelation that more was to be had was like an awakening.

Another man (dinner date) and I were so enthralled in our mutual enjoyment of similar books, music, philosophy, and ensuing mutual appreciation, respect and attraction for each other, that the platform was then strong enough for anything that followed. The spooning and kissing were powerful.  This was our second date; We were very sad to leave each other, same as the first time we had met.  

Of course, this is all so magical.

xoxo

FF





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To answer your question, I'll put it in legal terms for you. Now y'see, legally speaking, we can only charge you a fee for our time and companionship... perhaps some lingerie or nude modelling, etc... So what do you think a court would do with the fact that a lady charges only for *private* time, but not for *public* time? How are those *times* different when what we are supposedly paid for is TIME?  You have a different perspective, and ne'er the twain shall meet, and sooooooo be it... it's a fact of life that often the interests of buyer and seller do indeed clash in a way that is unresolvable.  

I will add that for ME... and here I am really REALLY speaking only for myself... being paid is not only wonderful because yes of course I love money, I'm a capitalist girl, that goes without saying. Call me money hungry. YES, I am! ... hehe  BUT, being paid MORE IMPORTANTLY puts things into context both for me and for the gentleman involved. IE: I know that I am being paid to be his companion for the evening in whatever activities he chooses to enjoy... NOT that he wants to be my boyfriend, NOT that he is "courting" me, it's none of those things. Take me out of context to a place where I don't know what the context is, and I get confused and have a tendency to get bitchy. =:O  That is true btw for ALL aspects of my life, not just this 'biz... I *always* have a need to know where I stand and what CONTEXT things are happening in. So that is my personal thing. As it is, I have had far too many men fall for me and it makes things VERY awkward and I never know how to handle it aside from not seeing the gentleman in question anymore... but I always feel HORRIBLE about it... so I'll keep my life in context!

That said, most ladies (including me) have a reduced rate for lunch/dinner dates so that everything stays in context, but you don't spend a fortune on the meal. But hey never forget all the wicked little goings on that could take place under a tablecloth with a lady who is probably a little less inhibited than your average girlfriend or wife... woo HOO! You just... NEVER know

Hugsssssss*
Nicole
PS: I wasn't thinking of having DINNER with ya, anyways! Hehe!

Well...when you put it like that.......hmmmm....I dunno, a little lunch I suppose wouldn't be out of the question. I am sure I can scrapre together a few quarters so that I can afford te "reduced rate".  


"BUT, being paid MORE IMPORTANTLY puts things into context both for me and for the gentleman involved. IE: I know that I am being paid to be his companion for the evening in whatever activities he chooses to enjoy... NOT that he wants to be my boyfriend, NOT that he is "courting" me, it's none of those things. "

Hmmm...you know, another way to this goal would be for you to split the dinner tab 50 / 50. No...wait...I forgot...there ARE actually guys who think that a girl SHOULD pay her way on a dinner date (morons). I guess that wouldn't totally do the trick.

"But hey never forget all the wicked little goings on that could take place under a tablecloth with a lady who is probably a little less inhibited than your average girlfriend or wife... woo HOO! You just... NEVER know "

You know...you sound like LOTS of fun! I can see where that "courting me" thing can be a problem. (Gawd I love a intelligent, sexy woman...)

"PS: I wasn't thinking of having DINNER with ya, anyways! Hehe!"

Yeah but....now I am thinking of dinner with YOU!!  

"A lot of people would say paying for sex is desperate too"

I'm afraid I'd agree, even though I've now done it. I guess it is a cultural thing. Like Puffy ("P. Diddy"?) says, "a true pimp never spends no dough on the booty". It is like admitting defeat...that you can't woo women, so you pay for it. I of course know differently, and I am sure they reasons "why" are as diverse as hobbyist themselves, but still, I would NEVER tell any of "my boys" I had paid for a piece of ass. Never. Hell, I still don't like admitting it to myself...lol.

"It's odd how you say in one breath that you'll never pay a woman to spend time with you as long as you can do it for free, but at the same time, you actually pay women to spend time in bed with you even though you have a GF, who I would imagine doesn't charge you to have sex with her. How do you reconcile such diverging thoughts?"

It is odd, isn't it? For me, it is a combination of things...money...time...effort. A few years ago, a came to this new city for a new opportunity to greatly expend my business and client base. I was more successful than I even imagined, meaning I now had more money than I had planned on, but less time. Less time to meet women...less patience for the BS that is typically part of the mating ritual. One woman in my life has never been enough since my divorce (Dr. Freud? Paging Dr. Freud...), but in my hometown, picking up women for casual trysts was relatively easy. I wasn't always successful...I'm no Don Juan, but, when I put the effort into it, I did ok. More importantly, it was fun...meet a girl, talk to her, get to know her over a few drinks, take her home that night...maybe see her again, maybe not. Even when I wasn't successful, the women in my hometown are fairly friendly. A few drinks for some interesting conversation...a fair trade.

Here, in NYC...I found the women COMPLETELY different. Cold...bitchy...demanding. All about what can you do for me...how much money can you make...what can I get out of you before I give in and give up the ass. I am sure not al women here are like that...perhaps if they are younger, or a more...I dunno... "bohemian", these rules don't apply. But, in the mid 30 working professional pool that I usually swim in...it is absolutely like this. Now...I could have decided to buy LOTS of expensive clothing, and walk around with my car keys in one hand (positioned so the logo was in plain view) and my drivers license in the other (the better to show off my Downtown Manhattan address), but that just isn't me. So...with more money then time or patience on my hands...I decided mid level independent escorts were the way to go. No awkward phone calls and demands for my time, causing problems in my REAL relationships, no hassles...no uncertainties, and I was only out $300 - $400. Not small potatoes mind you, but a once or twice a month price I was willing to pay.

So...that is how I ended up paying for sex. But...having gone down the slippery slope this far...I simply won't allow myself to go further. Pay $1000 - $1500 for dinner / dessert with a woman when all I have to do is call my GF up and ask if she wants to go out? My need to spread my seed simply isn't that strong...even while I acknowledge that I am indeed a big dog (in more ways than one), and it is REAL hard to just stay on the porch....

"If all you want is to get your rocks off, then any inexpensive street walker should be able to do that."

You are kidding...right?

"But some folks want more than just orgasms. They enjoy the company of the ladies just as much."

I LOVE the company of women. I just can't imagine paying for it. I can somewhat understand Nicoles / Sexy Curves' arguement below. But...if all we are talking about is enjoying a womans' company...doesn't knowing you are PAYING her to sit there...that she wouldn't be there if the meter weren't running..diminish the experience?

"I suppose you also have a hard time understanding why some guys get lengthy appointments. "

Yup...I do. I keep thinking that these are a substitute for a REAL realationship with a woman. Why bother? Go out and meet someone, and form a relationship (however formal or casual) accordingly. At least then you'll know she actually cares for / about you...on some level...that she isn't doing it for the money.

"Sex is wonderful, but sometimes, it's a nice change to do different things, like dinner or a show."

Agreed...totally agreed. That is why I have a GF, even though I am not a one woman man. I guess I like to keep things in perspective.

Re:Muckity muck!

Yeah Breakfast is pretty depressing.  (Unless it is the buffet at Denny's.  Ha ha.)  I am not fond of whining either.  REALLY early books don't seem to me to be whiny.  I love Slaughterhouse Five (which I prefer to pronounce, but can't spell, in German.)  Taking the Unstuck in Time concept, I even think it had a happy ending, even though the handling of the concept was somewhat simplistic in relation to real science fiction.  Love the movie, too.  Have it on DVD.  Cat's Cradle is, of course, my favorite and that was more satirical than whiny.

Signed on to Heinlein as a kid.  The juveniles were just coming into print then.  (Yup.  I am THAT old.)  Post Stranger in a Strange Land, his books bothered me because they seemed too polemically right wing.  This was before I taught myself economics and realized that conservative economics was really liberal = libertarian.  At least in, say, The Puppet Masters his politics were allegorical rather than polemic.  Then I was able to appreciate the later books better.  Still have problems with Starship Troopers, though.

How 'bout Pynchon?

MyLifeAsMe,

I appreciate you "putting yourself out there" and sharing your LifeAsMe story. I think it might help a lot of us guys, in our contemplative moments, put our own LivesAsUs in perspective. I appreciate your point of view and your convictions.

On the other hand, I'm surprised that you folded like a cheap suit after just a little sexy-talk from SexyCurvesDC

rik


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dinner dates are a nice way to get to know a provider better...especially it your looking for a lady long term..and want that girl to go the exta mile...or maybe your a gentlman with class and class is very imporant to you not just the cost ....kristen rae las vegas

I can tell you MY only objection to adding on lunch/dinner before/after with clients: more time away. I am a single mom so every time I am away from them it costs me money in childcare. Not a LOT of money but still. Plus combined with school and work, I am a busy girl and I don't like being away from them too much. That's why generally I see only 2-8 clients in an entire week. Maybe other women feel similarly.

However, for two weeks this June I will be taking my massage licensing classes in Pacific Beach and will be stuck down there all day from 9-6 every day. So if you're in the area and want to buy a cute student masseuse some lunch, let me know. That's the only "lunch deal" I'm offering! I'm with you, I don't see charging someone $100+ an hour just to break bread with them. I'm a cheap date I guess, just buy me a sandwich and make pleasant conversation and I'm happy.

MM

What! You don't think a street walker can get you off??? =:o

You say you love the company of women, but you can't imagine paying for it. What exactly do you think you're doing? Whether it's in a restaurant or in a hotel room, it's still her company, isn't it? You're simply doing different things.

I don't get dinner dates because I think the ladies want to do them. I get them because I like doing them. I like going out to fancy restaurants. Does it bother me or diminish the experience because I'm paying them? Not in the least. Let's face it, they wouldn't spend ANY time with me if I wasn't paying, so why not do the things I enjoy? Well, I enjoy more than just sex, so sometimes it's also a night out on the town.

Is it a substitute for a real relationship? Yeah, the first time it was. I flew to LA for a wedding, and the only person I knew there was the bride. I knew she couldn't hang out because she was too busy. I had one free day and didn't want to spend it all by myself, so I made an appointment for a dinner date with Nicole of Southern California. I had the best time with her, and since then I've been hooked. Now, whenever I go out of town, I try to get them. Do I do them at home? No, I don't. The ladies I usually see are too worried about someone seeing them, and I don't push the issue out of respect. Would I, if they would? Sure, but not too often. Of course I like them and enjoy being with them, but like SexyCurves talks about, I wouldn't want to send the wrong message.

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I don't know, if you can criticize MyLifeAsMe for that. All of us guys on this site pretty much cave in after a little sexy talk, else we wouldn't be here.

NOSC has threatened to put me in a coma, then roll me up into a semi-fetal, "comma" position, give me shock therapy and leave me convulsing in ecstasy. Of course, I'm begging her to do it to me. So there's certainly nothing wrong with being folded like a cheap suit.

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Re:Muckity muck!

I think his economic ideas fall right in line with much of Ayn Rand, btw... hehe

I loved Starship Troopers. I know a lot of people found it offensive... I didn't. I actually also loved the movie, and that's rare for me... usually I hate movies that are based on books I love. Stranger in a Strange Land was not my favorite... not even on my top five as you can see! Some things about that one BUGGED me.  

I'll have to look Pynchon up, he's not on my reading list yet... I have a list a mile long and always adding to it, so I looooovvvvvee suggestions!

Hugs*
Nicole

So all these qualify as reason to TAKE a provider to dinner.....I have no objection to that...again, I enjoy the company of an intelligent, attractive woman.

But...why should I PAY YOU to have lunch / dinner with me?

Everyone...provider and clients alike..keep citing that the "dessert" experience will be so much better for all involved if we get to know each other first. I can certainly understand that...it eliminates that awkward first 20 min of "get to know you" time, plus, with some a little social libation to ease the nerves and lower the inhibitions....sounds like it all makes sense.

Except...if we BOTH benefit...why am I the only one shelling out cash?

Now...of course...when a gentleman takes a lady out...he picks up the tab. No question about that.

But pay for you to HAVE lunch with me?

"or maybe your a gentlman with class and class is very imporant to you not just the cost"

So now if I am not willing to pay some gal $300 for the privilage of her running up a $100 dinner tab...on me...then I am not a gentleman, and I have no class?

This is really starting to sound ALOT like the "suggested gifts" thing to me...just a way for a pretty girl to get more out of a desperate man...

"What exactly do you think you're doing? Whether it's in a restaurant or in a hotel room, it's still her company, isn't it?"

Yeah, you are right, and I never said I could LOGICALLY defend the difference between the two. As I have admitted, frankly, I have a problem with paying for ass, period, but I've done it, and will much more than likely do it again. But for me...doing that is an entire league apart from paying someone to have dinner with me. I pay for sex so that I can have sex with someone different (the whole womanizer / variety thing) without having to bother with the hassle / bs usually associated with the mating ritual. If I pay someone to have dinner with me...in ADDITION to paying for dinner...geez, doesn't that make me like the SUPREME loser? Not only can't I score a piece of ass, I can't even get a girl to let me give her a free meal?

It is really all prespective, and personal preference. In my case, I just think it would be going too far...from a world where I've had women take ME out, just for grins (no, no, I am not claiming to be the master stud - gift to all women...but it has happened, including recently....) to a world where I have to pay a babe just to sit there and make convo with me? I just can't do it...I just can't....

But..again...my perspective might be all whacked. The girl I referenced above was an agency owner / former escort. After weeks of chatting online and having done some busness with her, she sent me her pcture. I sent her mine. We both liked what we saw...to some degree anyway. One of us (I forget who) suggested lunch. We agreed...but then I insisted that since I was a "customer", that like the other people I do business with, she should buy ME lunch. Somewhat to my surprise, she agreed, and did. So...I had lunch with a quite attractive and surprisingly interesting and intelligent woman - at no expense to myself. Nothing came of it (I suppose she wasn't generous enough to both buy me lunch AND let me have a freebie...lol), but still, it was a GREAT way to spend 2 hours of my day. AND I DIDN'T PAY HER FOR IT.

So.....if I still have enough "game" that attractive women want to go out with me...even take me out, why the hell would I pay a babe to do so?

Maybe you guys just have money to burn. I sure as hell don't.....

"Is it a substitute for a real relationship? Yeah, the first time it was."

I think that sums it all up. If you really think paying a woman to spend time with you is a real substitute for spending time with a woman who is there because she WANTS to be with you...with a woman who on SOME LEVEL cares for and about you...then we aren't gonna ever agree on this. We simply have different perspectives....

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Life as Me..

First off no one needs to convince you of anything. secondly you dont have to agree with or do anything you dont want to do.

Some men enjoy dinner dates...some people enjoy a certain level of ritual, pomp and circumstance, formality.  This field encompasses a LARGE variance in preferences.  Choices are good.

Then there are some men who enjoy only Mp's.  Or TJ.  Or Pornstars.    

No need to knock the men and ladies who enjoy this just because you dont understand or agree. Remember no one is forcing anyone to do anything.  We ladies OFFER OPTIONS.  No one ever said you have to do this to be a gentleman, anymore than you are saying that these gents are fools.

It just aint your bag. Period.  Good to know what makes you  happy and do THAT.    Life is too short to worry about why people do what they do.  The fact is that they do what they feels makes them happy.  Enjoy life.  Eat more meat.  Or eat more dairy.  Or  become celibate ... eeks.  I didnt mean that, I meant, CELEBRATE.

XOXO

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Re:Muckity muck!

Should we take this off-line?  How?  (I know that is a stupid question, but I really don't know.  I have never participated in a discussion group before.  Despite years on the internet, I am a Discussion Board virgin, if nothing else.)  My suggestions list could fill up the news group and everyone else would get REALLY mad at us.  Besides I would love to hear your suggestions.

Besides, between something in this website and something on my PC, even if I hit refresh, once I go beyond the first page of this message board my laptop chooses to display an archived view.  If I hit refresh THEN, I go back to the first page of the board.  If I want to view past the first page I have to delete all my history which is a pain on a regular basis.  Soon this thread will pass "beyond my ken."

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