How many johns would expect that hooker to give her full undivided attention otc as if she was being paid like she would do BCD?

he whole point of meeting her OTC, at least to me, would be to enjoy the company of a real person.

and I would assume that if she was with me OTC, she must like me at least a little bit or she wouldn't be there as unlike some johns I won't whine, wheedle and manipulate her to be there. You can be assured, if some hooker is out to dinner with me, she is there of her own free will and wants to be there.

You can take that to the bank!

If someone is reasonably good at convo and/or making people laugh, her/their attention stays on me/us.

Nice to see you posting...

So no her undivided attention is not required. She isn't working after all. It should be relaxed. The ladies I have had OTC time with I for the most part consider real friends.

Body language is not that difficult language to learn. If she pulls back from a kiss in public, hint taken and I will respect her wishes, but 90% of my unpaid dates with hookers aren't anything like what you describe, apparently not all hooker hate their job and not so secretly hate their clients.

You have said repeatedly that your guys get 59 minutes and a nudge out the door on the 60th. LOL

The eating arrangement needs to be agreed upon but if the guy is paying he probably wants to pick the location. If it's dutch, then you need to agree. Isn't that common sense?

I am in the middle of taking a break from this world. Rethinking if this is something I want to still do or if the break will be permanent. And if I am not going to do this this board looses it's appeal. I am on today and yesterday because I am home with the flu and am bored.

Not enough decent guys here. And feel better, the flu is no fun. If you do decide to go, I will miss your insightful posts.

There is something about a john that really doesn't give a fuck that seems to have a certain allure for many hookers. Maybe many are secretly like H+T and don't want a guy who will be up their ass the entire time, pretending they are oh their honeymoon together.

In the scenario you present the client has no reasonable expectation of anything...

That the guy is taking her to lunch or dinner.  Why would it not be a case of a vendor taking a client to lunch or dinner....you know like a real business.
lol

Your expectations when taking a hooker out OTC should be the same as with any other woman that has never fucked you, or never fucked you for free.

I would want pretty much what you describe. If I ever end up on one of these types of dates, I want the encounter to feel like two people who enjoy each other's company.  Nothing forced or faked. Just natural.  If that means some time for her texting or being on the phone, then fine.  I would also want some mutual agreement on the place just like normal people do. The last thing I would want is her to be under some form of pressure to be on the whole time.

First to have to pay attention to it get's to buy lunch/dinner/drinks.

Hence the reason for my question.

I was having a problem understanding if she meant OTC behind closed doors or in public...I can occasionally be a bit dense trying to work my way through all the acronyms...

hobbyist/provider "business" encounter...........every facet of every human outcome...........depends on the unique degree of rapport established by the two parties involved.  Just like ANY business transaction.  And........no matter the type of business transaction.........sometimes there is a degree of mutual respect and understanding that transcends the transaction itself.

gaga you are making more and more sense the more i read your commentary.

i can't believe we're still talking about this crap.

...No pressure. She isn't "on". We talk about stuff. She checks her phone. I may check mine. Tell a joke or two. Talk about life. Give/get news about mutual friends. Talk about kids/grandkids (hers, mine, whichever) I'm not all touchy feely in this setting. No PDA unless she initiates and is then receptive when I reciprocate. I enjoy her company not just her body. I have to think if she didn't want to be there she would decline the invitation.

don't go out with those johns.

I do expect at least a bit more attention on me and less on her personal business (Making calls, answering texts, etc.) then if we are on an OTC basis.  Or I should say, this should be the way it is.  When one is paying for time, that person has a right to her undivided attention.

Some men are pigs.  Some women are pigs.

Ton of decent guys here including myself.  

did someone ask you on an otc dinner/lunch date?

I read and understood your question.

I actually agree with what you've said, and ALSO agree with H+T's clarification.  Is that even possible?  Is my head gonna explode? LULZ! As I've written here before, I do go on OTC dinners with clients I like, if I have time.  Maybe I just have good judgment but I've never had a problem with "unwanted touching" either.  Maybe it's because I like to be touched by people I like.
But mainly, it's like any other date.  I'm enjoying a good meal and good company.  That's it.
Just don't dare try taking this ho to Olive Garden or TGI Fridays for loaded potato skins.
All you'll see is my black azz headed out the door.  And you won't see it long.

...what other tricks do. For me, if the lady and I are enjoying each other's company, and we decide to continue off the clock, there is really no expectations at all on my part... Other than two people enjoying spending time together... It's really not that complicated... BTW, the offer for the protein smoothie after our workout is still open. 😎

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even if i dont' know wtf you are talking about

they say that they want to get to know the REAL YOU???

I've done a number of OTC dinners for good regulars (though I'd only announce that from the perch of anonymity). These dates reflect a sort of twilight zone as I'm still filtered yet also able to talk about things I can't discuss with my RL loved ones who don't know what I do.  

First of all, all the otc dinners I've done were their idea. I would never be so bold as to make an otc overture. As for the dinners themselves, and any other extracurricular activities, the same philosophy applies. Any touching, including all the otc playtime were initiated by them. For some reason, I seem to hook up with my share of highly charged, extremely generous ladies. It's not a prerequisite because I'm very happy with one hour of playtime, but it just seems to happen a fair amount. Oh, and of the thousands of otc emails that have been shared, all topics and opinions were open, free, and easy.

and a bit of discussion prior to the dinner regarding just what the OTC relationship is going in should be had.

and possibly get called names because there are OTC boundaries? Some guys need to be told while others are seemingly decent and will look at it as two platonic people having lunch or dinner.

And I have thought a guy was decent and the one time I did offer a lunch, he was a giant boor.  

I pay for dinner/lunch.  No kissing or touching, just having the conversation we did not have during GFE time.  Her mouth was busy doing better things.

If I offer, then it is because I feel they would be a decent guy. I have been proven wrong once and I no longer see him. The first time is always a wait and see.

You and I have laughed over the real us and what the clients would do if that appeared and we stepped out of the illusion act.

Anything is initiated by the hooker.

We get it, some  hookers just don't want to do it for free.  

Granted, some dudes are very lonely and desperate. But for most guys, I'm decidedly not what the doctor (or anybody else) ordered. As one client said...'Even for this [business]....you're ODD!' And it was an agency client who said that.

It's a good question as if a poor woman or guy for that matter is sitting and suffering through dinner with someone with whom they are not a good match, that is painful and it would be hard to imagine how someone not wanting to be there could possibly give their undivided attention over dinner, though someone who does want to be there should be able to pretty organically.  

It's the easiest way to ruin a relationship with a paying client. Either I start to feel taken advantage of, or he ends up believing that his feelings have been used unfairly (whether that is true, or not). Or both.

If I enjoy her company, i am happy to pay for dinner or OTC together.    If not, then I won't.    

They aren't jaded, at least not yet, and they can enjoy a nice meal on me w/o having to watch a clock.

I'm f***ing strange. But, I'm OK w/that

In addition, giving OTC to some men for free is a gateway to expand their manipulation, as in your examples of such behavior.

so sorry if that happened to you h+t.  guys are pigs, as i've said.  since i'm a guy who plays by the hobby rules, it just amazes me that there are others who will push boundaries and try to stretch limits.

i'm just frakkin' amazed at the liberties guys will take.  my condolences for your bad experience.

Hear, hear! While I've never met a provider off the clock, I've met a few that were interesting enough that I wouldn't mind spending some time them with clothing on. It takes a special kind of person to work in this business, and I think it's be really cool to get to know one in a real setting.

but coming from me that's high praise and I have to admit you are 100% correct.

As for point #1, none of the above qualified as stalking. I don't literally mean texting/calling 24/7. But, just a guy taking for granted that we're buddies, and that I'll be interested to know every time he eats a hamburger, or takes a sh**. Or, that I enjoy hanging out w/him so much that he's invited to stay after every appointment...

I actually think I'm more open and LESS jaded, because I'm not continually frustrated by guys trying to manipulate me, wrangle more OTC out of me, or turn their 1-hour stay into an overnight or a love affair. It's much more enjoyable to spend time w/a guy, and much easier to be free and open w/him, when we both know that we're on the same page...that we both feel mutually satisfied and comfortable w/all aspects of our meeting.  

...whe you get that VIP back like I taught you (yeah, I caught your propr to me and take back of same in that thread, lol) we can discuss this further.

Funny how we can keep our shit together to do this....almost lol

lines are an accident. I feel strongly that is it carefully orchestrated. Decent guys don't go there. They play the game and do not push boundaries.

Was that you are respectful of the boundaries and seem to be already aware that there even are some boundaries regardless of how much money you have paid the hooker.  

That also helps with longevity and a way better class of john.  

I'm a happy, well-compensated independent who has very nice, respectful clients (for the most part). I have it good, and I'm grateful for it.

and sticks to them are the jaded ones.  

If getting paid for my time is 'jaded', then I guess I am.