The ladies we see create and fulfill fantasies. If you start to believe they are real, you are headed for a big disappointment. Occasionally and VERY rarely a hobbyist and provider will experience a real life connection...I know I married a provider who was my ATF many years ago, but that is the VERY rare exception. Based on what you posted it sounds as though you became emotionally involved and she treated it as a business relationship which is how it goes most of the time. Obviously, the "connection" only went one way, and that is on you, IMHO. I understand how you feel though, and hopefully you will move on and learn from this experience.
Posted By: datytodayie
I was lucky enough to see her before she became so popular. I tried to match that experience but nothing came close and her prices came beyond my budget. I was just wondering if this has happened to others. The funny thing is the really great ladies make you believe that "you are one of her favorites" yet then you see the reviews come in after you and it's just a game. So flame away if you must. But sometimes there is a connection beyond the business side of this and eventually it gets shattered.
And that is good, for it brings us back to reality.
I was lucky enough to see her before she became so popular. I tried to match that experience but nothing came close and her prices came beyond my budget. I was just wondering if this has happened to others. The funny thing is the really great ladies make you believe that "you are one of her favorites" yet then you see the reviews come in after you and it's just a game. So flame away if you must. But sometimes there is a connection beyond the business side of this and eventually it gets shattered.
And that is good, for it brings us back to reality.
Her prices may be beyond your budget to see her frequently, but you can always save up for a special occasion if she is your "best ever."
In the end, it's all business, so of course the ladies want their clients to leave happy, feeling special, and coming back (if she wants to see him again and if he was enjoyable and respectable).
I like a lady that's available. Has her own incall and doesn't seem to be going all in to the biz. I know a few that are UTR and hard to schedule but aren't making this their main gig. More my type.
The ladies we see create and fulfill fantasies. If you start to believe they are real, you are headed for a big disappointment. Occasionally and VERY rarely a hobbyist and provider will experience a real life connection...I know I married a provider who was my ATF many years ago, but that is the VERY rare exception. Based on what you posted it sounds as though you became emotionally involved and she treated it as a business relationship which is how it goes most of the time. Obviously, the "connection" only went one way, and that is on you, IMHO. I understand how you feel though, and hopefully you will move on and learn from this experience.
Posted By: datytodayie
I was lucky enough to see her before she became so popular. I tried to match that experience but nothing came close and her prices came beyond my budget. I was just wondering if this has happened to others. The funny thing is the really great ladies make you believe that "you are one of her favorites" yet then you see the reviews come in after you and it's just a game. So flame away if you must. But sometimes there is a connection beyond the business side of this and eventually it gets shattered.
And that is good, for it brings us back to reality.
I know a provider who tells how many men fall in love with her. She also mentioned they're clingy and a problem. So your not alone. But it may be why she's so good at the biz.
The provider made it appear that he was special and one of her favorites, but he later found out that that wasn't the case and it's all just a game/business.
For instance, let's say she no longer wants to offer a regular incall for several men in a short period to break even. She raises her rates so she can afford to book a hotel for one date, one man only. Let's say an extra $100. If he doesn't pay more or offer outcall, it becomes a headache trying to plan a date just for him, when she's going to lose money now. In many cases like this, grandfathering is no longer worth, even if he's special to her. Or her schedule has changed and she can only fit one date a week in, it's going to be the one who pays more, probably not the lower grandfathered rate, even if he's special because she needs to pay her bills. It's not personal, but he may not be special to her for all we know, or maybe he is, the old rate just isn't going to cut it anymore.
who have been supporting her for YEARS. My rate was only 250 when I started, and now it's 6. You think it would be fair to tell the guys who supported me that long that they have a 350 increase in rates? I don't think so, which is why I have a lot of regulars and don't have to work every day, or even every week for that matter. It is more about treating the ones you have like gold, or they might just move on. Now, at 250 I was not offering msog and gfe either, so they also know they are not getting that, but they have NEVER gotten that service for that rate to begin with.
static incalls. Not all ladies do, if they aren't doing this all the time or enough to warrant paying these rents every month. So if I can only fit in one date a week now due to my schedule, it's going to be the one paying more, the new client paying a premium so I can afford to book a room just for our date. If the old friend wants to see me at the old rent, fine but he better pay for the room too. I my old rate was $250 and the hotel is $100, there's no way in hell I'm leaving with a $150 profit, so if he doesn't help with the room, I could see a new guy at the new rate of $350 and leave with a $250 profit (hotel is $100 still). I like old friends and not saying you should throw them out, but sometimes in some situations, they have to give a little or they become a financial burden, and no one in the world is worth me not paying my bills. So this really isn't the same situation as yours because you keep static incalls, many of us don't unless the volume or whatever warrants it.
For me, I see old friends at the old rate who are willing to provide an outcall or reimburse me for the old rate. My old friends waiting for me to set up a hotel incall for several guys in a short period so that they don't have to worry about covering the cost, they are now just old friends. We no longer see each other because it just won't work financially for me. We;re all different and that's me. Can't expect any other provider to do it like I do, that's my circumstance, you have yours. Glad it works for you and your old friends.
Posted By: London Rayne
who have been supporting her for YEARS. My rate was only 250 when I started, and now it's 6. You think it would be fair to tell the guys who supported me that long that they have a 350 increase in rates? I don't think so, which is why I have a lot of regulars and don't have to work every day, or even every week for that matter. It is more about treating the ones you have like gold, or they might just move on. Now, at 250 I was not offering msog and gfe either, so they also know they are not getting that, but they have NEVER gotten that service for that rate to begin with.
intentions on maintaining a static incall or forking over the fee for a hotel just for one friend every time, the ones who want to still see me at that rate, make it happen, and I appreciate them for it. But I miss some old friends who were special to me, but circumstances prevent us from seeing each other, unless they will get the room, reimburse...what I already said.
I agree at only 150 profit, it's not worth it, but then again that's not the client's problem...it's ours. I have been stuck in a strange city with a paid hotel, and tons of bs cancellations, so I see your point, but I don't tour anymore either for that reason. Why not go up on your new rate to 500...then the old client would NOT have to pay the expense for your hotel, because the new clients will. It is not that hard to see one guy for 500 at check in time one day, and schedule a regular before check out the next day...you only pay for one night. Just trying to give you some options here, but you can run your business the way you see fit. I simply don't do things that way.
Another idea is to find a provider to split the hotel cost with you...you see your guy, she sees hers, and bam. Done deal. You both only lose 50 bucks if that.
I agree at only 150 profit, it's not worth it, but then again that's not the client's problem...it's ours. I have been stuck in a strange city with a paid hotel, and tons of bs cancellations, so I see your point, but I don't tour anymore either for that reason. Why not go up on your new rate to 500...then the old client would NOT have to pay the expense for your hotel, because the new clients will. It is not that hard to see one guy for 500 at check in time one day, and schedule a regular before check out the next day...you only pay for one night. Just trying to give you some options here, but you can run your business the way you see fit. I simply don't do things that way.
Another idea is to find a provider to split the hotel cost with you...you see your guy, she sees hers, and bam. Done deal. You both only lose 50 bucks if that.
I know London said she honored the past pricing. That is nice to hear.
It would suck to see a lady for 300, and next thing you know she charges 500.
Posted By: datytodayie
I was lucky enough to see her before she became so popular. I tried to match that experience but nothing came close and her prices came beyond my budget. I was just wondering if this has happened to others. The funny thing is the really great ladies make you believe that "you are one of her favorites" yet then you see the reviews come in after you and it's just a game. So flame away if you must. But sometimes there is a connection beyond the business side of this and eventually it gets shattered.
And that is good, for it brings us back to reality.
You have to understand that it is our JOB to make EVERY guy within our power feel special when we are with him...if you are thinking about that when you read reviews and getting pissed, yea babe, that's not good. We see more men than you probably see providers, so it stands to reason we have more than one favorite. Still, regardless of the bs, no client I met 4 years ago is paying 600 bucks now. They pay the rate they paid to start because duh...that means they are still seeing me after that many years. Pretty crappy to just forget about those who let me get where I am at.
I was lucky enough to see her before she became so popular. I tried to match that experience but nothing came close and her prices came beyond my budget. I was just wondering if this has happened to others. The funny thing is the really great ladies make you believe that "you are one of her favorites" yet then you see the reviews come in after you and it's just a game. So flame away if you must. But sometimes there is a connection beyond the business side of this and eventually it gets shattered.
And that is good, for it brings us back to reality.
It's about the money, nothing else. If you don't believe that, then try to get a session with her by paying nothing, and see if she says anything.
Of course connections get made. In my hobbying time there have been several girls I really had a thing for, but in the end you need to separate fantasy from reality.
Some women like myself , truly can enjoy mutliple artners. i personall am a huge fan of a polygamist lifestyle and the science behing it. I also am supportive of the aspect of musleum religion where men are allowed more than one wife, I think that solves alot of prpoblems before they happen, I do not believe humans are meant to be monogomous. i believe we are as much a part the animal kingdom as all the other animals and that thers nothing wrong with enjoying or having feelings for more than one person at a time. And some people can love or like alot of people at once, No where is thier a book that reads every ones hearts are the same, . I for one have told clients i dont like thier kissing or daty styleand will; demonstrate what i enjoy, as opposed to sitting thier and crinching for an two to three depending on length of appt. I have also told them when I do like it, I have had clients come that we both like totally dont get along either mentally or in sack or both. and some I love to death and think are awsome,
Just because a lady has one or more review saying she said she d really enjoyed me adn wants me as a fav. Why do you need to have only one fav? not every body is into monogomy . just remeber that. dont make assumptionsthat is isnt possible for a human being to love more than one person at a time just because its not the norm or what your used to seeing. Dont assume people are all just like you and hold the same belief patterns, i myself have loved more than one person at a time, I feel that thier are more than one person for me and i dont thrive in monogomous relations at all in fact I become quite volotile . and if i mention I like a client and they are a fav I mean it, however their too many fish in see to miss one like the karmin song! I dont want to dwell on one person either and like variety, as i should, . the whole monogomy thing is lame if you ask me, and well considering the divorce rate I think its proving its a dead institutuion and simply doesnt work, . I if ever got "married" i d do a hand fasting ceremony and in which I d create the vows myself with my lover. dont be so quick to jumo to assumptions people cant truly enjoy more than one person, and that its a lie cu maybe you cant enjoy more than one person at a time and thats how your brain works, doesnt nessicarily mean every ones brains is operating on same frequency, "Subject: 2). What's polyamory, then?
(Glad you asked that. ) Polyamory means "loving more than one". This love may be sexual, emotional, spiritual, or any combination thereof, according to the desires and agreements of the individuals involved, but you needn't wear yourself out trying to figure out ways to fit fondness for apple pie, or filial piety, or a passion for the Saint Paul Saints baseball club into it. "Polyamorous" is also used as a descriptive term by people who are open to more than one relationship even if they are not currently involved in more than one. (Heck, some are involved in less than one.) Some people think the definition is a bit loose, but it's got to be fairly roomy to fit the wide range of poly arrangements out there.
Oh, you wanted a longer answer. Okay. According to the OED, cheating means "fraud, deceit, swindling." There's a nice quote from 1532: "The first...ground of Chetinge is...a studdy to seme to be, and not to be in deede." In other words, cheating is to convey through deliberate action the impression that one is of a particular nature while one is, in fact, something quite different. What this boils down to with polyamory is that polyamorous people do not tell partners, lovers, or prospective members of those groups that they are monogamous when in fact they are not -- nor do they allow these people to assume they are monogamous, regardless of how convenient or personally advantageous such assumptions might be. The words "honest", "negotiate", "communication" and "being out" occur frequently in discussions of how polyamory usually works.""""""
I have always been happy to "grandfather" my rate for my good clients. Our cost of living has not increased that much, has it?
Seriously, I cant see why we cant do this. Now, I am mostly an outcall provider, so I do not generally carry the expense of a room. This would be one reason to increase rates which I think is perfectly acceptable.
However, I feel that occasionally if I am seeing someone who needs to visit me, the cost of a room is just the cost of doing business. I take those opportunities to book a nice place that I will enjoy myself for the rest of the day/evening (if appointment is not an overnight), so it is a win win for me.
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) Polyamory means "loving more than