Now, assuming that nobody's personal fantasy invokes hide 'n' seek or 'button, button, who's got the button,' does anyone ever have problems with placing the envelope somewhere in plain sight but where the provider doesn't notice it?

in the way of service

I get a feel for what the vibe is. If i am ever feelin like sketched out or concerned with gettin pinched by a detective or undercover, Say i am in Vegas, I didnt screen I just do an appt, Like i did my last trip to Vegas and thats my business and i dont always screen, So fuckin what you can die the second you walk out the door and innocent people walkn home from day jobs get abducted at knife point too, Life is a gamble and i am willing to throw the dice anytime, I am more than likely sure I d fuck them up first,.
            And i have fucked some one up that tried to fuck with me once and it was ablood bath and they got 17 staples in thier head and were very very sorry , I may lose too and not be so lucky one day, I will cross that bride when i reach it that is if i do. I could also be lucky and never have any future problems like that one instance where well . Mt retard strength prooved helpful, Being mentally ill and bipolar sucks but when your manic and some one HAPPENS to try to attack or rob you and your in that mind state.
 You also just so happen to be stronger than twenty mr universe.  
 SOOO
 If man or woman is thinking its asting, Or arent felling trusting, Or the person turned which happens, Some people leave jail and become informants and make drug purchases from other they knew in prison and turns out they are now confidential informants ie rats and the drug dealer gets popped, i know a guy that happened too, He sold to a guy he did time with, GUess what, That guy ,,,EVEN though they did time together now this guy had turned and was now a c.i,. workin for the popo.
         Ok so now, no one si ever safe and even if she has reviews what if they turn? The customer for his own legal accord shouldnt be doing hand to hand transactions, SOOO the ladies like myself that say put it on bathroom counter,  
    I want to be abe to say, "money , what money?" god forbid i ever got convicted on solicitation ie sex for fee, which never has happened, AND wont because i am not careless like i notice many many potential clients whom i delet thier reservation forms asap after recieving,  
 Many guys still feel need to make me ask for the donation, Which i hate cuz now I cant get it thrown outta court cuz NOW I cant say "money what money?' Now i am found guilty of soliciting sex as i recieved money in my hand for sex.
                    I had a conversation with a friend today about why the customers feel the need to give details of what they want,
 I get forms with unessesary details like oh and i like to cross dress. Or do you do water sports?
 I charge fuckn 80 for amassage is it that difficult to book a massage and dropn 80 to meet in person and ask? why the unessesary banter I see on guys attempting to havea dialogue about illicit activities and illegal things, Its just annoying.
               The johns are the ones that get arrested most and its just odd how few care about any protocol of where to place donation, I request they put in envelope in bathroom, NO ONE does it, I end up HAVING to ask for it. Then they place it in front of me,  
 If I could control each and evry detail in this crazy anarchistic field of work I certainly would but its not at all the case so I adjust and conform and deal with it! I see that they look like a hobbyist and I get a feel for em in person and just hope no ones gonna come get 3 appts and build a case then try me on not one but 3 counts of soliciting sex, Which they been known to do to drug dealers, They can actually come back and come back and keep piling up many counts of same charges, I never heard first hand of them doing it to an escort, But I am sure its been done,  
                                  I wish more would do what i ask and its a good habit for every one even the johns to get accustomed to not doing hand to hand transactions, When engaged in ANYTHING illegal not just this......But no one cares............................No one evr puts it in bathroom on sink they make me ask for it, EVERY single client, GOOD TOPIC maybe some people will read this and start putting it on sink and not making me have to ruin the whole fantasy and remind them they are paying me..
 I hate asking for that reason too , Its like reminding the guy its not a fantasy and i want his money, Id rather not have to mention money and just go in bathroom before the session and count it in there then tuck it away,,,,  
BUT for some reason every single guy comes in attacks me and hasnt even given donation yet!!!!!! I have to say whoa whoa! did you put donation some where?
 "uh no not yet..." but whatever its a big anarchistic arena and no one can have full control on how its run despite our efforts too... If it were up to me i dmake placing donation in bathroom on sink in unsealed envelope a honor among thieves sort of un spoken law that every one just followed and didm, BUT no one does so i just go with it and ask in person count in front them, and go with it, what else can you do? go get them an envelope and insist they do it????

In the absence of that, I usually place it on the keyboard of her laptop computer.

Never had a problem with that.

uh ok

And my fee is very reasonable!
Now, as to the OP, WTF, WTF, WTF! Brut, I like ya man but worrying about where to put the envelope is freakin' Turdwellian.  Rilly.
Now, I happen to use an envelope, too, but it's not really necessary.
PS: I have a few envelopes from the Del Rey in Costa Rica I'll give you.  That's sure to impress a sophisticated lady.

The Money stays right in my pocket until the Session is over. Putting the money out where a Provider can snag it before the Session begins is a Big NO NO for me. I always pay AFTER THE SESSION IS OVER. I got Ripped Off a long time ago when I paid upfront. I vowed that will NEVER EVER happen again. I never pay a Provider upfront before the Session starts. If she wants the Money upfront I walk out on her.

And they all bareback you because you maybe have a hundie hidden in your shoe.  You are so completely full of shit, and you're rapidly going from being an annoyance to making me sick, you lying douchenozzle.  And though it's highly doubtful, if you've ever actually walked out on a provider all I can say is lucky fucking her.

In the old days, when you paid a prostitute, were men usually expected to excuse themselves to go to the outhouse, then come back later so that the envelope is no longer there?   Or did men just leave the money in the outhouse, then come back and tell the prostitute that they recommended she visits the shitter too?  How do these traditions even begin?

He's told you not to use his computer without supervision.

I did stress about it early on when there were no explicit instructions but I'm now in the habit of just dropping it on any hard surface and heading straight for the shower.  Sometimes when I come out it's gone, but more often than not it's in the exact place and position I left it in.  I love that because it's me saying "Well there it is and I'll be out of the room so you have plenty of time to count it" and her saying "You left the room giving me plenty of time to count it so I don't have to."  And that is awesome and the epitome of mutual respect.

The only place I've been where you need to pay up after the session is Costa Rica.  Then you can get what you pay for. In the US, trying to hold onto the donation until after the session is a guarantee of no season at all.

Always posts and then runs under his momma's skirt...no fun at all.

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In the old days, people weren't as concerned about safety in most instances, and those who were usually left the money lying on the bed. Or so I'm told. I don't know if you're talking about the 80's, 70's, or the days of the French Revolution.

I had an overnight outcall, and left the envelope in a fairly conspicuous place. In the morning, it was still there untouched. I had to leave for a meeting, so I put it on the top of her bag. On the way to my meeting, she calls me, and I told her where it was.

First, though, I'm not personally concerned. I'm wondering what most women prefer and why, and seeing how men deal with it when the ad or personal website doesn't spell out a specific location.

Because it sounds like you took off and left her in your room...no es bueno.

It was a hotel room, and I did not leave anything of real value. I doubt at 8am, she was about to empty the mini fridge. In any case, when you spend an extended time with a lady, there has to be some level of trust.

I drop the envelope casually on a table or credenza.  I don't expect her to need to check it until later.  I've never shorted a girl and never will.  The gals I see already know that when they check reviews, references, OKs, While Lists, etc.

If you leave the envelope or money in plain sight it's her responsibility to check it whenever she feels she needs to.  The only time I'd mention it to her is if she's at my place and seems about to leave without it. This has happened often to me because by then my date is usually in a cum coma.  LOL!

If you're already there and have dropped the envelope you are dead meat if she's LE.  Going to the bathroom so she can check the envelope doesn't remotely change that.  If fact, you're dead meat once you walk in the door if she's a cop.  The way to protect yourself from LE is to do your homework.

One  lady I see on a periodic basis will count the money afore we commence with the session.

Generally give it to her tucked into the flowers or in the bag with the wine or whatever.  Ask her if she' would like to put them in water/fridge while I get a quick shower.  

I only made as far as the 3rd sentence then realized that Angel is on another long winded diatribe.

... she was visiting your location?  

Sounds like a provider's description of a session with JCA!

LMFAO!

I would politely escort you tf out of my space if you tried that mess on me. NOPE.  
I/we put ourselves at more risk than you guys do in this.  

This thread has been very interesting in light of all the recent discussions about the tone and nature of the GB.

...I'm actually surprised no one has said they absolutely refuse to use an envelope. It's not protection against LE either.

I do, out of respect for the women who prefer it.  Then again, I use envelopes marked "Hotel Del Rey" that I took from there earlier this year.

...and jerks can have good refs.  

You have read a huge amount, incorrectly, into my post.  My point simply is, there is no need to go to the bathroom upon arrival at her infall simply so she can check the envelope.,  UNLESS SHE'S ALREADY ASKED YOU TO. Claro?
As for me, when I arrive at her hotel I always take a leak in one of the rest rooms in the lobby and then, believe it or not, actually wash my hands.  And if she's made it clear she expects, "a quick rinse" upon arrival, well, yes, I'll do that.
Just a friendly suggestion: in the future, try not to make so many assumptions from a simple post.
Thank you!

You opened the bathroom door.
You probably pushed elevator buttons.
Perhaps even fussed with other other things... your keys, cell phone, the envelope in your pocket.
Your hands are not clean when you walk in the door.  Assuming you had hand sanitizer you used outside her door, how is SHE to know that?

show everyone where in my posts that I pay at the end.

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.

I like to place the envelope in the lavatory, that way I can wash my hands on the way out

I'd rather be this guy than a rape-excusing, pimp sympathizer.  Oh, and you're Exhibit A on the turd thing

at the Booking Window with the cashier.