Do you think that the sex profession should be destigmatized ?  This might help providers' faces from being blurred out in their ads. If you feel that it should remain stigmatized, why are you here ?

I mean - like you going to a Pentecostal service and asking if anyone believes in Jesus...

face burring happens when you moving your head back and forth so if you want to stop face bluring you just need her to hold still.

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but blurrinig out their pictures in their ads??  Maybe if it was because their friends & family would not be upset over what they do for a living.  Certainly not for your convience in shopping.

30 yrs ago the idea seemed absolutely, totally insane. This will never happen. 15 yrs ago, even with some progress made,  I still  believed  I'd never see it my lifetime. Today, even the square states are falling.  

That's because gay marriage became a national ballot issue.  

A rousing success. We're toasting the victory right now

As for what the rest of the world outside the hobby thinks, their problem.   So long as we remain cool, and keep our hobby lives within the hobby, we have fun playing the game...

I was speaking from the heart...there is no stigma here with me.    

I'm afraid it will have to go on the list that includes world peace, curing all diseases, ending poverty, injustice, hate, etc.


But it is always good to strive towards these things lest we slip back into even worse abysses.

Ideally, it should get people thinking about the whole idea of just allowing people to develop whatever sexual relationships that they want to, with protections for any segments of the population that could be victimized (children and animals, for example.)

But, I guess that is just wishful thinking.

On the other hand, there seems to be more tolerance in the world as a whole for P4P than same sex marriage, so there is some hope.

First of all because this country is far too Puritanical in its attitudes.  But even in places like Costa Rica where it's legal, most girls use a stage name because there's still a certain amount of stigma.

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...he just came off weird and stupid instead.

Ignorance can be over come with education on any given subject, but you just can't fix STUPID. lol

and Gay marriage is much more accepted than prostitution in today's society. Lots of gay people are standing up and being counted, hardly anyone admits to being a hooker or a john, and until we do so, the stigma will remain.

I do my part, I have never denied the fact that I am a john to anyone by LE, Can the rest of you say the same? Until we stand up and defend our right in the open, just like the Gay community has, we will remain persecuted and prosecuted for decades to come.

Just because you don't recall it, doesn't mean it wasn't so.

Go do a bit of research and then get back to me on this.

and remember stupid and ignorant are not mutually exclusive, you appear to be living proof of that. Good thing the ballots for SPOTY have already been cast, or are you campaigning for this year's title?

and it's not my cock. You should try to not be so narrow minded.

I hold my "opinions" open to the fact they could be wrong. How's that for ignorance?

The court system didn't legally recognize samesex couples as legally married. No one in America was going to before a judge for being openly gay.  

At one point it was illegal to be gay....Wake up dude...

Punishable by law in the United States of America post 1776.

You are associating having sex with being Gay. I'm of the opinion a person can be Gay and abstinent simultaneously.  

and while it's too late to cast any more votes, it's up to the rules committee who may or not be reading this thread to make any decisions on breaking ties.

It's entirely possible that those hungover members of the rules committee could be swayed by a thread such as this one. I am not saying that they will, only that they MIGHT. I expect the results to be posted before days end.

Until you show me, where it was a crime on the federal level to be openly Gay in the U.S.

but that's more of a rambling on of sexual innuendo.

This is a prime example why.

I will try again to talk to you in another few months, in the meantime you are TSTTT

Well it looks like, at least on the federal level. Anti sodomy laws. Were actually written as anti prostitution laws. Read it, it's in there. Apply that to my original comment, and you'll see my observations regarding HP's comment is correct.

As we both know "parsing words" is a chickenshit way to have a discussion, usually done by some flaming lefty on the P&R board, I don't have those discussions there, and I won't have one here either.

but I need to defend my position... and if you weren't so busy disagreeing with me. You would see where we both agreed.  

The Gay marriage law does not go far enough in regard to the decriminalization of prostitution. The bill should have included provisions for the decriminalization of prostitution.

In regard to where I said that being openly gay was not a prosecutable offense. I stand corrected on that point.

"As for what the rest of the world outside the hobby thinks, their problem.   So long as we remain cool, and keep our hobby lives within the hobby, we have fun playing the game... "

Where would we be on gay rights today?

As long as the people actually involved in this little "hobby" won't stand up and be counted, nothing will ever be done to move P4P in this country out of the shadows.

I think it's quite selfish for participants in P4P to "stay in the shadows"  just like many gay people felt, and I suppose some might still feel that way about  other gays who remain closeted and leave the heavy lifting of changing this world for others.

I get why most (if not nearly all) sex workers, and people who hire sex workers are reluctant to speak-up in opposition to local/state/Fed Govt (trying to--and mostly succeeding in) dictating the choices adults make when having consensual sex.