Two unrelated questions, please.

1.)  Hobbyists who only give out 9s and 10s.  Thoughts?  Comments?  When researching a provider, do these types of hobbyists' reviews have less credibility in your eyes?  

2.)  How do you get a guy to propose to you?  What makes a modern, 21st century man propose marriage these days?  If you are 50+ and married for 20 years, you are not the one to answer this question.  Im looking for the younger men to answer this one.  

You have to look deeper, like the type of girls he sees and the scores she is getting from other reviewers.

As far as a marriage proposal goes. I am early 30's, single and no kids. The reason I am on this site is because I want neither at this point in my life, not even a girl friend. I know exactly why I come to this website and am very disciplined at that.

I suspect that many guys that fit my profile are here for the same reasons as well.

If you are looking for a client to propose marriage to you, good luck. You are looking on the wrong website.

Try the sugardaddy websites or the dating websites. Guys don't come to this website looking to get married.

I am not looking to marry a client.  But after I retire and get a mainstream job, the next step would be to settle down.  So, Im asking about how a civilian woman snags a husband these days.  Oh and not an older guy either.  A 30 something man.  Do young guys even marry any longer or is this more an old school thing?

Good point about the scores too.

may not be a 9 or 10 to someone else.
Some guys have dated beautiful women in the civee world, some of us have not.
So, compared to the average 5-6 civee women, i have dated, your damn right, the providers i see are more than likely get, a 9 or 10. ( because to me, they are beautiful )
Plus, when their all dolled up and they just fucked your brains out, it's hard not to give them high marks.
Some of the most gorgeous women on the planet, are right here on TER...IMHO.

OK Let me bite...

As hobby city said, you have to dig one level deeper. Is he only seeing women who get 9 and 10s from other mongers or is he seeing all kinds of women and only dishing out 9s and 10s. If its latter then he is definitely a mangina who is afraid of writing an honest review. It is impossible to see substantial number of ladies and not have experiences that range between 6-10, no matter how diligently you research.

Such a guy is an ideal client for a woman who cares a lot about her scores.  Some providers actually only seek out clients who give out 9s and 10s. Trust me they will not see me, no matter how thick my envelope is.

Now over to your second question. The question you are asking is a very personal one. There is no one answer. For me, personally, I would want a wife (if I were to get married at some point) who would give me enough freedom so that I can secretly continue my life as a monger. I know it sounds very fucked up, but it is true. Being in marriage is not the same thing as dating, and eventually people do get bored of each other. I am pretty sure that at some point I will gravitate back to TER and providers.  So it would be nice to have someone who is not too CLINGY, and has a life of her own, so I can have a little bit of fun on the side as well.

Also, I love sports (baseball and football in particular). An ideal wife would let me watch me as much sports as I want, and go to as many games as I want without being a BITCH about it. Sports is something that I really have passion for.  So don't bother me between April and October (Baseball season) and on Sundays during the Football season.  I guess it goes back again to being independent.

Also it would be nice to find someone who knows how to cook

1) Providers earn their scores for a reason, and these hobbyist only want the best that money has to offer. So, no, I don't think they are less credible. However, just because they see all 9 and 10 girls, it doesn't always equate to 9 and 10's because their experience will always vary. Some may give a lower score if they are not satisfied.

2) This girl I'm with, she constantly tries to move in to my house. She has her own place, but sleeps at my house frequently. She talks about marriage. That is how she gets me to propose to her. Sometimes she give me indirect messages. Such as, she'll leave magazines of weddings and all that other stuff. I'm not ready to make that type of commitment yet, because I am at the point of my life where I have to enjoy this hobby before I settle down. Anyhow, she talks about marriage, that is how she gets you to propose to her. Is that simple enough?

1.   I generally discount the reviews of someone giving all 9s and 10s.  To me, 10s just rarely exist in performance, and never exist in appearance.

2.   Being in my early 40s and single, I am sure my folks are wondering the same thing.  There is no answer, but in my case, it comes down to a tradeoff between my age, my career, and my options.  I will drag it out longer to find the right woman, but in the other hand, I do want to have kids, and that can't wait much longer, either.

#1- i have no answer. i dont give a shit what other people rate anyone, so im propbably not gonna help you much here

#2- be worth marrying. its pretty simple. i have only seen escorts when my gf and i were apart. wont get deep into the reasoning. but i know in my heart she is the one. thats why we have taken time away from one another when things got too rough, to let things pass and get back in the right mindset for each other. we have agreed we are "single" during the moments, so i can honestly say i have never been unfaithful to her. she takes care of the house, is a great mother to our son and makes me happy in nearly every way possible. she is worth my future, so as long as she desires to be with me, she has no competition.

the guys you will hear crying about the drama and bullshit that comes with a woman, are full of shit. that comes with bitches, not WOMEN. a woman knows how to act and carry herself, and if the guy is too dumb to tell them apart, he deserves what he gets. good women are rare, as i assume good men are, so when one comes into your life, you dont let go. im in my 20s, so i guess im young enough to be of help here.

I appreciate the no bs honesty!  You're not very romantic though.

A guy that gives out only nines and tens is completely worthless to me, Follow my reasoning for just a second. Even if he is giving out these scores to women that are also highly reviewed by others, he is simply adding a bit of confirmation to these women, not really adding anything to the mix, and if he is giving out high scores to women who get average or lower scores from other guys then he is simply a mangina with either no balls or no standards. Either way his reviews are worthless to me.

As for marriage, The first thing I would want from a woman would be an IRONCLAD prenup. lol Truth be told, it would take one hell of a woman to get me to go down that aisle again. If I ever do it again, I doubt it will be under the laws of this country. Once burnt, twice shy. I am not giving half my shit to anybody, ever again. OK maybe to the government, but that's a fucking of a different kind. lol

I guess that may be an idea.  He may not even know that the girl wants to settle down or may be praying that they can continue on without commitment forever.

And at least if he's not interested, she can cut her losses and move on.

Isnt that a little late to start thinking about kids?

The kid will be 20 years old and pops will be in a nursing home!

Jk.

And the first question just got me thinking because occasionally Ill see a guy with 20, very average scores and suddenly he gives a 10.  That guy seems like he'd have major credibility.  Whereas the guy who gives EVERY girl a 10??  He's a provider's dream but I can't see that making him look too great in a hobbyists eyes.  But this part of the question has pretty much already been clarified.

and suck my dick whilst I watch the game bwahahaha. I had that type of gig...twice.


I think more than anything today, men want a woman who can take care of herself. They want her to "lean" on them, but not cling to them as if she has no ideas and aspirations of her own. They like a woman who is not only smart, but one who will not be walked all over either. A woman who can take care of a man sexually, emotiionally, and physically, but one who they also know can walk away should he fk up and take her for granted. Believe it or not, strength in moderation is very appealing to men even though they say they prefer the naive type.

Make sure you have your own career/education in place, and don't ever set out to find a man to take care of you. Most men today do not want another attachment sucking them dry.

because it might have that very effect. Nothing will chase me off faster than a woman who constantly harps about marriage.

All we want to do is to fuck them, not marry them. The hobbyists who are love struck by hookers are usually the older lonely type who lack social skills. They are easy to detect on this board too.

1. I agree with others here, if reviewers only have 9s and 10s, they do lose some credibility. But since all the reviews are fiction anyway you take what you can get!

2. 38 years old here. I didn't propose until I met someone who literally changed my life. Someone I couldn't envision spending time away from. Someone who I knew would be a great mother (I wanted children). Someone who accepted me as me. Someone who shared my values and desires.

And after we had dated for three years, and I knew that she was really who she portrayed herself to be(because there are a bunch of men and women out there that pretend to be things they aren't), I proposed.

Bear in mind that marriage qualifications for everyone differs. My needs in a marriage are based upon how I grew up, the positive (and negative) role models and situations I lived through. I suspect that's true of almost everyone. The sad part is most people know what they DON'T WANT but very few people know what they DO WANT. Good luck.

I'd marry a girl if it paid the bills and I was allowed to fuck other women... that would be a win for me... I get to fuck who I want AND she's bringing home the bacon.

..I was just telling you the foundation that I would want my marriage (if I were to ever get married) would be based on. When I was in my 20s, I was different person. Now, in 30s, I look at things differently.

Romance is very fleeting.

Also, I did feel like putting in the pre-nup stuff in there, and would certainly give it a consideration if my assets were substantially more than hers.

However, that's why I was asking the marriage question of the youngins who are not yet jaded or crusted over!  Lol!

Great to cu back btw.

And we don't get tattoos on our forehead that read HOOKER.  A lot of guys may be dating or married to an ex hooker and have no idea.

#1 I tend to rate high because I am new. Every date I have had so far blew my mind. So I feel justified.
It makes sence that given more time,  and experience I will get tougher. Also it's a moot point for me, as I PM users I know are experienced for advice on a girl I like.
#2 I just turned 33, am single, and have no intentions on getting married.
Lightning has struck, but I am not activity seeking out a woman to marry.
Why? Everyone I know who is married, is miserable. They were not ready.
But if you really feel the need. Wait for a moment when he does something nice.
Then push him, and say "When are you going to marry me asshole?"

..I never said I want a girl who will suck my dick while I watch sports. I just want her to let me get my dick sucked from whomever I want, while I watch sports

I mean OK..sucking my dick would be nice, but lets be realistic here. All my closest of friends (I have about 4..OK 3 1/2) that are married, have mediocre sex lives.  All of them have been married 5 yrs or less. Things were great to start off with, but started going down after a while.

I guess most providers have thriving businesses is due to wives not keeping husbands happy So more power to women, whichever way you look at it.

Cooking...Yes that's different.

but I am here to amuse. lol

the younger generation (late 20s to early 30s) more jaded and cynical about marriage, because you are asking the question on FUCK BOARD.

You are better off asking the question on relationship site blog etc...

Do you think there are married couples out there.. Where the wife is an ex provider, and the husband an ex hobbiest, and neither of them know?That is the type of deception I would never want in my marriage.
I got bitch slapped for saying that I would be open, and honest about this to my future wife. Well she would know everything about my past before she became my wife.
I have done worse than P4P. She will have to forgive me for alot. LMAO!

As far as scores , if a guy has half the tens than a cat has lives , in my opinion
he's too easily influenced to take his version of beauty and performance seriously .
 I usually throw out the highest and lowest scores , except those by
reputable reviewers . YMMV on definition of reputable .

As for marriage proposals , the quickest way to scare most  guys away is any marriage talk
before he's ready .
Who knows what kind of guy you will be looking for ? Some guys are desperate for marriage , others cringe at the thought .
 If she is clingy, jealous , or demanding there will be no marriage proposal from me , no matter what else she has going for her , although many  guys and gals get off on that nonsense .
 I've been seeing a civilian more than frequently lately, she could be the one .  She's shown much more marriage potential than any of my previous GF's  . She never calls more than once a day , she's never asked about my GF's in the past or  mentioned  marriage .
 If she takes her vacation without asking me along , her proposal odds will improve drastically .

 In other words I like a woman who is sure of her self and independent .
I'll  never miss her enough to realize what I might be missing,  if she never goes away .

 Hope you find what you are looking for when the time arrives .
Until then , have as much fun as possible .

P.S. If I ask her to marry me I will retire from TER , unless she wants a three way .

 

I mean, if I had a man and all ha ha. I love to cook...insist on it, as long as I am not also working a 9-5.

a little more than interested in something more ha ha. Just sayin.

1) not necessarily but to some degree yes, at least for me.  Look, you see all these 9s and 10s everywhere on here, but how many truly are model material or once a life time?  And because of this phenomenon everyone starts to think they are a 9 or 10 even though they only look decent or gnd at best. When they get a 7 or 8 they would get upset and  make up shit and try to get the score off.  Not tryig to knock these providers because I do understand we are all just trying to make a living here and having a high score helps but You gotta realize not everyone looks like a model. If you dont you dont deserve a 9 or 10.  But how can you blame them because it's the reviewers who only give 9s and 10s (my appology for those who only review models..you are good) that make them think that if they don't have a 9 or 10 on their resume they won't get a job.

2) I don't believe you can make someone propose to you or you'd be the one actually proposing. And really don't do any good to constantly nag him about getting married because Most Guys hate that and will just get annoyed.  You could have one talk with him about marriage and if you sense that he's not really serious about the relationship or he's not interested in going that direction, then you should just cut loose.   My GF in college wanted me to get married when i was a sophomore.  I didn't feel I was ready or she was either.  She woukd talk about it everyday and when i told her i wasnt ready for it, she started cutting herself in the wrist and popping sleeping pills.  So I did it.  It's not like I had much of a choice really.   But I hated her then and I still hate her now and i think i will hate her forever.  I said to myself  I would never touch her again and I have not had sex wih her since we got married.  I know I am an a hole for doing that but that just makes me feel better.

1. How can you rate more than one provider 10 (ONCE in a lifetime)?  Wouldn't that mean twice, or more in a lifetime?

2. You can't EVER get a guy to propose to you. And if you have to "get him" to propose to you, you shouldn't be marrying him. He's either ready or not.

I'm just saying.....