I've been a VIP member for awhile and have been in the TER Lounge more times than I care to recount.  But, I haven't seen this particular question arise:  If an SPs "time" is what this is ALL about, why would it be wrong to have multiple men enjoying the "time"?

If SP Lola gets $$$$$$/hr and the envelope is on the table, why would it be wrong for several guys to help her pass said time away?

If any of y'all want to argue that the "content" or "activity" of the time is paramount, then y'all are admitting it is about what happens with the time, and not the time itself.  Note well I am writing of typical acts, and not foreign lands or kink, ok? Just multiple pops.

If y'all accept that I am exposing a hypocrisy, please be more responsive to the pleadings of my fellow hobbyists when we seek specific outcomes for our sessions.  

However, if you reject my argument and it really is about the time and I have paid for your time, do not then complain if I find a way to take maximum advantage of your experience and wisdom as a "consultant".

I have 2 responses.

1.  Hobbyists aren't paying for the girls time.  Hobbyists are paying for whatever activity it is that we engage in with the provider.  The paying for time thing is just a placebo to make us feel like we have a case to argue if we get busted.

2.  I pay my lawyer for his time, but that doesn't mean he'll clean my pool during that time.  You don't own the provider for the time period that you paid for, and she can choose to do as many guys as you bring, or not.  You are paying to have her company, but she still gets to choose what she'll do in that time.

...why the hell you would want another dude there in the first place. [shudder]

In any profession where one pays by time, there is no implication of multiple clients within the stated time.

If you hire a lawyer, just because you pay for ther hours he works for you doesn't mean you bring in your counsin Bob and have said lawyer handle his suit aaginst the grocery store for a fall on slippry floor because your lawyer could take care of what you wanted in 15 minutes so Bob gets to use the other 45 minutes.

You pay a therapist or psychiatrist by the hour...errrr 50 minutes, but that doesn't mean if you don't need the hour you can bring your best friend who has commitment issues in for the rest of the "hour".

I see no more hypocrisy in this than in other professions that charge by the hour.

For Lex - I wouldn't necessarily want another guy with me.  But, if I wanted to economize (split the fee) this would be a way.

As for professional fees...if I have a consultant or lawyer come to my company, I can have as many and whomever folks I want take part in their service.  In fact, I'd be a fool not to have a team in place for this purpose.  That consultant/lawyer's time is compensated at rate "x", regardless the difficulty or breadth of the work performed.  They are there to address whatever I want addressed. If the work is easy, good for them.  If it is tough work, I receive value.

The point of my post is to illustrate the absurdity of this "paying for time only" canard.  Once LE fears are legitimately not in the picture for a given client (in other words, the guy ain't LE), it is ludicrous to maintain this stance.  It is, indeed, all about the experience/action.

I have seen countless posts where an SP insists it is all about time, and the client assumes all risk for the outcome.  "Oh, did I forget to mention that "x" is extra"?  Again - not foreign language!!

I am calling bull, is all.

You may gather those guys around for a rousing game of No Limit Texas Hold'em and she'd probably love to sit and join the group for an hour on your tab.  But when she wants to get an advantage and distract one of the players by giving him a tonsilectomy, it's entirely HER choice who gets to participate.

I guess you had nothing better to do with your "time" then pretend we really were paying for a block of minutes rather than sex so I spent some "time" composing a reply. YOU ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWER.

Multiple partners in a meeting whether male or female is not a typical act and would be considered foreign to the average provider.

You have a pool?  Cool, can I come over for a dip?  I promise I want pee or crap in it.

I know a couple of providers who often work together and charge $700/hr for a threesome, $800/hr for a "group party". A friend and I can each individually experience a threesome with these 2 girls for $400 each, their normal one girl hourly rate.

You are posing a stupid question with an obvious answer.

Waterclone,

1.  Some women feel different (i.e., those who charge add-on fees for specific tours of the country or a menu approach to their work). I am SOLID in that I only accept monies for my time.  If it is a couple, a gentleman, if it is out to dinner or time in my studio, time is time is time, period!

2.  You are righter than rain! (Which we have here in Seattle today...)  A gentleman buys the sharing of my time, he does not buy ME.  There is no ownership implied in the exchange.  *I* still determine how I care to spend my time, though I am open to suggestions.
; )

To the original poster -
I do not charge more for couples when I spend time with them.  Why?  It is the same time, and an honor to share such an intimate bond!  I do NOT see more than one gentleman friend at a time (unless it is a duo with *my* friend).  Why?  Odds turn against my being able to have any control of the situation and my own personal safety.

xoxo,
Sola

Say you pay $$ to go to a 1 hr class where you are to learn about making $$$$$ that does not mean that the instructer is limited to only you. It does not mean that you can sign on for the class and get the grade but also bring all your friends for free. Each participant is a sepperate student. Also as was pointed out by one of the ladies bellow, multiple men could result in the lady loosing control of the situation.

Take for instance, I was asked to entertain at a bachelor party a while back, 6 guys strip show etc. Get 6 tipsy men in a private room with a scantily clad woman things can get real nasty real quick. The risk is greater etc.

Additionaly if a lady is open to seeing multiple gentlemen at one time; She will be putting a lot more work into it behind the scenes along with the added risk.

Example, we ladies pre-screen all gents. Now while it takes each of you maybe 5 or 10 minutes to fill out forms and send them to us, it can take up to a couple or three hrs to verify all the information provided. On occasion it can take more than that depending apon the quality of information and references,(we all know it takes longer to get information from some than others)

Now maybe you will find a sp willing to let you bring your several guys but sets them in chairs along wall and handcuffs them so they do not get out of control and cause her harm. (I sort of think your friends may not enjoy that too much)

Of course there are some ladies whom will hold what is commonly known as a gangbang. Then they will have others there whom basicaly can act as boncers should a feller get out of control. Then I would think it is not charged as $$$$ per hr more like $$$$ per person admission to the show.

Personaly I have had a couple of clients whom only want to take me out shopping. They will buy what ever it is that I want when we go. Do they get a discount on rate because we never enter a hotel room etc? No. (Ok I will admit that one has a bit of a fetish that he likes me to wear ____ [use your immagination but chances are over 99% of you will be wrong]) Both still pay the same rate for my time. Just as if I have 3hrs scheduled with _______ and we spend any of that time out for dinner the price is still the same as if we suddenly decided to tear each other's clothes off and have hot passionate sex in the  hot tub the entire time there is no extra charge. Again the price stays the same.

Oh and I took your bringing several friends along as to be a gangbang probability. Either way it is wrong if she does not approve of more than the one person whom contracted her time. Remember always the lady has the right to say no and place what ever limits make her feel safe and comfortable.

EOM

PS I also liked webterorist's response

-- Modified on 3/27/2005 2:56:07 PM

Anyway, attention and focus is the name of this game.  Have you never wondered why a mother gets harried with an unruly brood? Too many chickees runnin wild...



xoxo

-- Modified on 3/27/2005 7:05:27 PM

But that's just a joke-- and a mild one.  

I'll put it like this: if a (hetero) guy asks for any woman's (solitary) social time, pay or not, the assumption is and should be that he's interested in sex.  I know society will tell you that it shouldn't always be the case, that most women in this culture deny this, but it flies in the face of human biology.  (Human beings are animals in heat all the time.) I also acknowledge that she always has a choice about whether the final outcome is sex, even after she accepts the meeting. Shit will happen, and she gets a headache, or perhaps just changes her mind.  But to think that his purpose wasn't to have sex would be naive.  If she gives him her time, she shows at least that she's considering it-- either that or that she doesn't get it to begin with, which is a serious problem now.  

So, when it's said that you're paying for her "time," the statement is made to be ambiguous.  Yes, you're paying for her time, but if you're paying for her time, the most obvious intent of use would be sex.  You pay for a lawyers time, too, but you don't discuss football scores and weather when you get it.  

Meanwhile, her obligation is to just let the passions of nature take their course.  She won't get any inconvenient headaches, or flashbacks to childhood traumas, or have doubts about the relationship sex might entail.  And the sum of money to soothes her doubts and questions about it-- which are profound, hence a lot of money.  

And I hasten to add that it's probably closer to the way nature meant it than monogamous marriage is.  
 

-- Modified on 3/27/2005 7:41:33 PM

Quote:  "As for professional fees...if I have a consultant or lawyer come to my company, I can have as many and whomever folks I want take part in their service."

That is still one client, the "company" exists as a single entity, and the folks only components thereof.  Still one client, you can't ask that consultant or lawyer, since he's there to aslo do his same work for the company next door at the same time since he's already there and his time has been paid for.  To extend your anaology to this particular business, the "folks"  could be seen as parts of the company, as parts of one's body are to a client....if you want to involve say your left hand but not your right...ok...but you can't bring in someone elses right hand since you're not involving your own.
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Quote: "It is, indeed, all about the experience/action."

See, now this confuses me, are you argueing in favor of "a la carte" experiences?  with x amount for a kiss, x amount for bj, x amount for each position, etc.?  or for the idea that you should pay by the cup, so if you get excited and get done in the first ten minutes the "hour"  should be over because you were really paying for a "pop"  and not an hour, or that if you work it right you can avoid finishing for an hour and a half....so that should be the same price as an hour since oyu were paying for the act and not the time?

It seems you don't like the idea of "x"  being extra, but then at the same time argue that it is all about each act and not time.  I really am confused on what exactly you are calling bull...that you pay for an hour when you need less than an hour, or that you pay for an hour but need more than an hour so you want it extended beyond that time frame at the same rate?

What about a dinner appointment, should the time spent with the client at the restraunt be free since the "act", to which you maintain is really being paid, for isn't happening during the meal?  How about the guy that has E.D. or difficultly reaching "completion"  should that also be free since either the act or the completion were not reached?  What of the fetishist, that wants something other than physical contact, should that be free?
What about an overnight appointment, should only the acts completed be charged for, so that even if it was an eight hour appointment if he only "experienced" twice should that then be paid for at the same rate as a client that goes twice in an hour?

I do think that time does factor into the equation, and therefore can't be ruled as "bull" to have it be a basis for compensation.