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it is not out of jealosy, fear, or competitiveness. It is to help protect my privacy. I have always tried to help providers a great deal in other ways.
Please don't be so hasty to judge women who do not engage in the same business practices you do. They may have very good and not bad-intentioned reasons for doing things the way they do.
Laurel 
Not because of jealousy, but because I destroy the info. and then i forget! Sable I've seen instances where referral is not reliable, I've been on the receiving end. Sorry about that, but i just had to say it since this business of referral keeps coming up. I assure clients I screen that I dont keep the info around. They dont want me to. And I dont want to either. So how can I give reliable referrals?
The exception is a regular or just someone who for some reason I remember because of something unusual.
Never had a problem with LL ... course I dont like or talk to anybody anyway, so how can I have a problem? lol. Hey LL
I am a bit of a privacy monger as well, now that things have gotten so public on their own ... you can see that if you look at my site, I dont publish rates or screening procedures...I'm so freekin anal! At least until I feel better about the general climate. I'm not a pornstar. I'm an escort.
xoxo
ff
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Sable, personally I see nothing to slam you about. I think you have a great attitude of what I have read you post. You make a lot of sound points, in my book, not that i am in the least position to judge.
Like I said in my earlier post, I'm not comfortable with the general climate at this time; I retracted a membership site, and any nudes on my site for awhile. I've sadly perceived some of what you've mentioned happening, and was hoping it was only my perception. And yes, I feel ire towards those who feel that an independent should just accept anyone without any safety gauges. I've spoken up about this, and yet, with all that being said, I'd never on this board responded to you on the subject of referrals, even when you proposed a new screening method ... thoughtfully presented, at that, but I was unable to sit down and respond at that time. Hence my post above showing my side,about the referrals and why in my case it doesnt work at this time. Of course I also have some sensitivity to privacy issues as well.
Now some of us ladies might not give referrals and for varying reasons, but it all ends up with us feeling like we did the prudent thing...and until we know differently, these are our comfort zones, and how we function best.
Now here is a question. In your post your mention of some ladies thinking that they are not safe by giving referrals: I dont know what that's all about, as long as they check with the client and make sure that the provider is really a provider. I have never heard of any legal danger, although I've heard that referring another lady can be construed as pandering. (In our business anything can be construed the way LE says.) Still, I can understand other reasons that would make a provider reluctant to share references.
Finally, thank you for the compliments on my website. (Psst, you'd also be surprised how many clients DONT want busty blondes, at least as busty as me, who are not porn stars)
Certainly there is something for everybody and I guess that is what this is all about. Variety, and availability,and hopefully in the process, a little dignity understanding and consideration from both sides. Oh but to ask for the moon and stars!
Take care and we'll chat more
xoxo
ff
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Sable, there is info out there for us ladies about safety, there isinfo written by Norma Jean of COYOTE, and some others. Often we dont find this out until the process has batted us about just a bit. There was a provider who did a similar site to Kiko's once, but I cant seem to find it anymore. 
Sometimes a ladies discussion board is good for concerns and issues like this, where we can let our hair down a bit, but obviously, the men have very valuable input, as shown here, and it's evident that some of them do have our interests at heart.
Unfortunately, there is no school geared toward the geisha or courtesan/escort/callgirl that I know of, especially one that encompasses the changing aspects of the business. I imagine it would be poohpoohed out of existence, either through harrassment (much in the manner of abortion clinics), or outright arrest/shutdown.
Otherwise, sites like this are great, thanks to Cableguy for showing it to us ladies. Combine Kiko's site with what you can find on google under COYOTE, and there is some guidance. No reasons women should have to leave themselves open for abuse once they have some info. Even so, I have good things to say about how LE comes to the aid of a woman at the hand of an abuser when she is able to call for help, at least in LA.
xoxo
ff
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