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useyrhead 4 Reviews 3147 reads
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1 / 33

I’ve known this lovely girl for at least 4 years. We’ve had some great times. I mean actually great times. She wasn’t my ATF. But she was certainly a very long term favorite. I truly enjoyed her company and liked her as a person. I still like her as a person.

But this year she started wanting to raise her rates (absolutely not a problem) and started going on/off about what she would include in her menu (confusing, but not really a problem), limiting her hours (which meant it was harder to make appointments, but still not a problem). I talked to her former PO. He was a little confused, too. But we closed off that discussion saying “well, whatever works for her”.

What finally did it was the last time I talked to her about an appointment she was just all business. Not just all business. More like someone who was doing business but was tired of it. Again, not really a problem. We all go through times when we’re getting tired. But I realized that, though I was willing to keep the friendship going, I just didn’t see her as someone I wanted to see naked anymore. Much less actually pay for it. Even though she’s every bit as attractive as she was before.  

So, I fired her. Cancelled my appointment. Told her I’d love to still remain friends if she was up for it. But that I wasn’t interested in being a client/customer anymore.

I have mixed feelings.

-- Modified on 5/18/2020 4:49:27 PM

vantheman666 11 Reviews 108 reads
posted
2 / 33

Some of the ladies I hang out with are trying to book longer dates so they can see less clients, but still make the same amount of money. Or they're taking kissing off the menu. However, these are just temporary changes because of virus paranoia. And my professional girlfriends understand my budgetary limitations, so I'm exempt from their "longer date" rules.

However, if it's not covid paranoia your favorite is experiencing, it very well could be burnout. My ATF burned out, and she got rid of me. I heard from some mutual acquaintances that she started going BSC on all her regulars. It was a sad deal for sure, especially after experiencing her best years.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 105 reads
posted
3 / 33

You weren't and you won't be her friend, because that's not what she's after or maybe not with you. All you were was a business transaction. You'll need to move on and drop this "mixed feelings" you have, She doesn't have any regrets on how she decided to run her business. Maybe and I say just maybe she'll reach out to you but it'll be for the buck.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 60 reads
posted
5 / 33

but what is it you really are looking for from us?

Are you looking for validation?   OK, here it is:  You are validated.   This is essentially a business, and when your needs as a customer are no longer met, then you have not only the right but the responsibility to end it.  If I were to conjecture, I would say that this gal wants to get out of the business, and her new-found ways are her way of doing it.  Sadly, not an isolated case, by the way.

Now, is there anything else on your mind?

GaGambler 89 reads
posted
6 / 33

Let's ask the OP a couple of questions.

 
Did she ever call you "just to say hi" not to ask for a session?

 
Did you two hang out together? (paid sessions don't count)

 
If you were ever stuck at the airport with no one to get you, would she be someone you'd call?

 
Did you ever see her socially where there was no sex AND no money exchanged?

 
If he can't answer yes to ANY of those questions, and I think we both know that answer, then NO she was NOT his friend and yeah maybe being slapped around a little is exactly what he needs. lol

useyrhead 4 Reviews 129 reads
posted
7 / 33

We have hung out together. And, yes, for free. We have even had sex together for free.  
She typically calls/texts to share some struggle she’s going through. Frequently, since she’s also going to school, I help her with class work.  
She is getting near the end of her schooling. So her transition into that non-provider career that she has been working hard towards is looming closer. And she has increased her school work load during the SiP since she’s stuck at home a lot anyway and she’s able to take more virtual classes.
So, the idea that this is a burnout symptom because she’s looking at the end of her provider career is also quite viable.
I have plenty of other friends to call if I’m stuck at an airport. So, I wouldn’t need to call her for help. But I have contacted her during times like that just to chat. She usually sends me pics of her various trips when she has downtime (not much lately, obviously).
I am not claiming she is an extremely close friend. But she is a friend.  
And she’s already contacted me since I fired her. She says she’d like to stay friends. We’ll see.
My apologies for not being clear as to what I was looking for. I just wanted to vent. And see if anyone else had ever had a similar experience. It turns out there aren’t too many people you can talk about provider friendships with out there in the world.
Thanks to you all for listening and for your thoughtful responses. Let me know if I can ever return the favor.

impposter 49 Reviews 86 reads
posted
8 / 33

Posted By: useyrhead
... I talked to her former PO. He was a little confused, too. But we closed off that discussion saying “well, whatever works for her”. ...
PO? Parole Officer? What is PO in this context?

useyrhead 4 Reviews 82 reads
posted
9 / 33

She used to be an AAMP girl.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 84 reads
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10 / 33
Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 77 reads
posted
11 / 33

It's hard when your ATF transitions out of the biZ.  I feel you bro.  You think there's more there since you gave so freely of your time and money.  Then you realize that it was all about HER and nothing about us.

It's P2P bro.  At least she didn't have you prepay for a bunch of sessions then disappear on your ass. Or worse, you get her an Alien Registration Card and then she takes half your shit, then kicks your sorry ass to the curb...count yourself lucky.

Best to pick yourself up and dust yourself off and find yourself a new P2P filly to ride.  Yahoo!!

useyrhead 4 Reviews 84 reads
posted
12 / 33

I completely agree.  
However, this girl, while a favorite and someone who I consider(ed?) a friend (though far from a best friend), was not my ATF. We had some good and even great times over the years.  
But most of the mixed feelings come from the length of the relationship. Not the depth (pardon the bad pun).

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 84 reads
posted
13 / 33

LoL!

I always confuse P2P with P4P...

GaGambler 95 reads
posted
14 / 33

I will agree that you two do qualify as "friends" by the GaG handbook at least. lol

 
You both seem to agree that you'd like to remain "friends" I don't see a thing wrong with that, I have hooker friends that either I have NEVER had sex with or that I haven't fucked in years that I am still in regular contact with.

 
Keep one thing in mind, ALL friendships/relationships end eventually, Some with a bang due to something of of the parties does to the other that can't be forgiven, others don't really have an ending point, people sometimes just drift apart. I am sure you have friends from your youth that you thought would be friends forever that for some reason you haven't spoken to for decades. It happens. As for any idiotic comments from the peanut gallery, that's a risk you take when you post something on a public board, people tend to "project" their personal experiences with their comments and a LOT of people who don't have any personal experiences on a subject just tend to "make shit up" I wouldn't lose any sleep over those comments. lol

WICardinalfan 90 reads
posted
15 / 33

I was seeing a gal regularly, at a discounted rate initiated by her.  About six months later she wanted me to cosign a loan and I would not do it.  Next time we meet, she tells me the rate is Y, when it always been X.  I ask her why the increase?  She says the rate has always been Y.  

Well, I did not have enough for Y on hand.  Asked her if she needed something we could go out and buy, she says a printer for her computer.  We go to Best Buy and I purchase the printer, put it in her trunk, and that is that.

Never seen her since.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 80 reads
posted
16 / 33

My feeling is that, and this is what I'm picking up but once you said," We have even had sex together for free"...that's a red flag. It just says something..not sure but I'm getting a vibe.Not knowing your age difference, I'd say..and maybe that's just me being skeptical but she probably pick up and your vibe that it was all about the freebie.....I could be wrong.
I was in a "unique" situation similar to what you're describing and WE both decided to keep it at a professional level , with a tad of friendship.
But don't sweat it...carry on

useyrhead 4 Reviews 84 reads
posted
17 / 33

My rule is that I don’t ask for or accept freebies. I made the mistake once of unintentionally letting a girl think that I wanted more than a professional relationship other than just being friends. Not doing that again. I ended up hurting a really lovely sweet girl that, in spite of her protests, was clearly too young (she was 19) emotionally to be doing this for a living.
But we went out once together and ended up having some very hot sex. She wouldn’t accept money. So I took her to a store she’d been wanting to visit and bought her a few things. Even then she didn’t want me to pay.  
So, technically, the sex was free. The little things I bought her were nowhere near her rate. Though I will admit that I think I hurt her feelings a bit by insisting on paying something.  
Still, it wasn’t at all about the freebie. The relationship didn’t start going down hill until well after that.

GaGambler 80 reads
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18 / 33

I have a "friend" that used to be a hooker, that's how I met her about 2 months after her 18th birthday some 13+ years ago. She and I moved from being hooker/john to something more like SD/SB and then on to actual BF/GF for a time, and then finally to more of a FWB type relationship with a lot more F than B, we live in different states so it's kind of rare that we see each other any more.  she is almost exactly 30 years younger than me,  we have had a LOT of free sex and yet after 13 years we are still good friends.

 
Yes, a hooker/john "friendship" can most definitely survive freebies, regardless of any age difference.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 89 reads
posted
19 / 33

I agree with one caveat.  
Age difference aside, I don’t think a hooker/john relationship can survive when one or the other “catches feelings”. But there’s probably an exception to that as well

GaGambler 97 reads
posted
20 / 33

They fall in love and get married, perish the fucking thought. lol

 
When only one of the two "catches feelings" that's when problems occur. I have never been the one who has fallen, I get infatuated occasionally but those feelings rarely last for more than a week or two for me, but I have dated providers who have caught feelings and started thinking about "a life together" as in marriage. Yes I am an asshole, but I am not a cruel asshole, I have always broken off those relationships as I don't want a woman to "waste the best years of her life" on me, knowing full well that I am simply not "marriage material" I think it's unfair to any woman, hooker or otherwise to lead her on and allowing her to believe that your relationship is FOREVER when you know full well it's not in the cards for you.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 69 reads
posted
21 / 33

I know it has happened. Nowhere near as frequently as many (usually the younger ones) mongers seem to think (hope).
So, yes, I completely agree.

vantheman666 11 Reviews 62 reads
posted
22 / 33

I will accept freebies, but with the caveat that when her turn comes up, I don't skip over her and will pay her full rate, as usual. IOW, if she gives me a freebie one day, and I have a professional date scheduled with her the next,I would get my freebie and then go back and pay her for the date the next day.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 91 reads
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23 / 33

I don’t do freebies. People catch feelings that way far too easily.  
That one time she insisted on not accepting payment I took her shopping. I may not always get it right. But I try to always keep it very clear that, though friendship when it occurs has no price tag, I am not willing to commit to anything more.
When I insisted on paying her in one way or another, I saw that it hurt her feelings. But I couldn’t figure out any other way to handle it that felt ethical.                                                    

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Theocrat 14 Reviews 98 reads
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24 / 33

Roughly 12 years ago there was a provider that I saw repeatedly.  Over the course of about 3 years I probably saw her 50 times.  It was great every time.  We only stopped because she left the business (and became very successful elsewhere). I never asked her for free time, she never offered, we never got into each other's outside lives, never talked about being "friends", and we had really good sex. Looking back on it, that was a pretty fucking good deal so why would I have ruined it by pretending it was something it was not.

gentleguy1020 38 Reviews 86 reads
posted
26 / 33

Never fired! Just ‘ran out’ ... two cases came close to ‘join lives together.” First one, I was the first mover, Second one she.
Both cases slowly ran out! Till today I think it was not me ...  
it was like having two divorces lol! without marriage. Both are super beautiful human being in and out! I hold no negative feelings towards them. Like sea waves ... in slowmo- it came, reached crescendo, plateaued, stayed there for some magnificent years together, and then slowly died down!
Not sure this was what OP wanted ... just sharing some experience ...

useyrhead 4 Reviews 97 reads
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27 / 33

Perfect response.  

I still really like the girl I fired. I just think I can’t be a client anymore. So far the friend thing is touchy. We’ll see.

Thanks for sharing!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 66 reads
posted
28 / 33

A lot of providers will "gift" a freebie to their regulars occasionally, but its clearly meant as a "thank you" for your continued loyalty and patronage.  One should NEVER read anything else into it.  As you say, the next day is business  as usual.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 86 reads
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29 / 33

is why its important to put any freebie in context.  The vast majority of the time, she is just thanking you for being a loyal customer.  Read anything else into it at your own peril  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 69 reads
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30 / 33

the personal dynamics are, as long as you break off the personal aspect amicably, "you will always be welcomed back as a client."  Out of about 100 girls I have seen on the outside OTC, all but one told me this when she or I decided to end the outside aspect of our friendship.  

MP67 11 Reviews 101 reads
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31 / 33

I'm glad my ATFs retired and/or moved on to bigger and better things

Meaning, my regulars just vanished or went to a place where I couldn't see paying them what they command now as opposed to what I saw them for.  

I'm happy it went either way for them, don't get me wrong, but of course someone will cuz that's the nature here. Someone's always gonna talk shit.  

I hope we're friends of course, but like I said some went by-by. Great fucking ladies and miss them a lot, but that's their choice. All I want is they find what they're looking for.  

I admit being a self-serving prick sometimes, but some of these ladies I was honored to be friends with and if I was just fucking off one day and they called me from out of the blue I'd be thrilled as fuck they thought of me just to see wtf!

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 151 reads
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32 / 33

"...Great fucking ladies."  We all know your regulars vanished on you.  Hell, their hooker names should have been "Houdini" because of the disappearing act they performed for you.  Just bustin' your balls bro.  :-D

caveat75 9 Reviews 98 reads
posted
33 / 33

The only time this happened was with an UTR friend. We had fun for about 5 years. When we first started she had a bf, then was single (I had thoughts about making it more, as she knew I was seeing other women and did not have a problem with that, she even did a few threesomes when single) then she got back with her daughters father. That’s when she became less dependable, started asking for an extra $0.5 or $1 about a third or our meets, did not want to spend as much time together when we did meet and was losing weight so wondered if she was using drugs. I fired her, politely, and she was OK, never contacted me again. A year later saw her on a SB site. From her profile she had gone BSC, so glad I fired her.

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