Had a horrible experience this weekend.  Broke one of cardinal rules. I usually book a one-hour appointment with a lady before moving on to a multi-hour session. But I really wanted to see a young lady who has a two-hour minimum despite her rate being considerably higher than other ladies in my area.

She says she has a two-hour minimum because an hour isn't enough time to get comfortable with a person. That should have been my first red flag. The fact that she didn't have any recent reviews should have been the second red flag.

What I quickly found was that she meant she wanted to waste as much of the two hours as possible with talking.  Well, rambling would be a better description. I tried to move things along but she kept saying that we had plenty of time and that we should keep talking and drinking wine.

I had hoped to talk and relax and then move to BCD activities during the first hour, and talk and relax some more before moving to a second round of BCD.  

But due her refusal to engage, we had a really rushed BCD session before she ushered me out the door 15 minutes early.

That's my cautionary tale. Guys, know what you're getting into before booking multi hour sessions. Look for the red flags.

Sorry to hear your date was rushed.. now if you had met me,,, chatting is not part of my date.. its getting to know you and what you are missing at home in bed..  then its on to getting to know you personally if ya catch my drift..
Have a good week!
SweetPeach

the flags which you noted.  I saw none of those flags and believe that when that happened to me, it was because of the conversation we had... I touched on something very personal to her, and without knowing it, turned her off, way off.  the evening went way downhill from there... in retrospect, if I could do that night over, I would... as I still think she is a lovely lady... but it was me who caused the problem.

WRT cutting sessions short or woefully inadequate, my best was with the lady who kept stating to me "cum for me baby" and then "why can't you cum NOW!?"  to make a long story short, whe had people to see, and places to go after our session... but as I came out of the shower, her "friends" had stood her up... I asked if she would like to join me for dinner... she looked at me and said "dinner with you?!  ha, no thanks" Said with all the sarcasm she could muster....

When I wrote the review my comment was "sex with this lady was exactly like sex with my ex-wife!"

She wrote to me afterwards and stated that she did not know  how she came off.... her reviews were much better after that!

So as with all things YMMV and there is not sure thing in this hobby.

For what happened.. especially her statements on why cant you cum now/.. well i dont know her side so i am sorry for you having your session cut short but she shouldn't of been smarting off  as its your reviews that keep us ladies in business.

have a good week
If you are ever out in Indiana, come look me up and i would be happy to join you for dinner which is not on the clock and  i don't watch the clock either

SweetPeach
NW Indiana Mature Provider

Same thing exactly happened to me, only you just stated it a lot better than I could. You feel bad when you realize that you inadvertently hit a nerve, and even worse when you tally up the bill for a ruined evening.

Still, that night started out just like aSavvyShopper's: A two hour date with 90 minutes of talking, and strong resistance to even dressing down.

It probably would have gone better if we hadn't had that time to learn each others' distant history, LOL. I wish I had an audio recording of that event, though, as it would become classic "how horny and confused guy behaves" - I make a great idiot when I put my mind to it.

Sorry to hear that happened to you too Alan..  next time you will know better.. as with me if i chat with a guy its off of the clock  its getting to know u and vice a versa you getting to know me ..
have a good week
SweetPeach

it's less about 2 hour minimums than to remember that the best practices of provider selection are there for a reason, and should not be avoided unless you want to make a large donation to someone's bottom line.

Let's review:
- no recent reviews
- no previous experience or personal knowledge of provider
- high rate
- 2 hour minimum
- her statement about getting to know you

Sounds like the little head out-voted the big head

I think you are right. I learned my lesson.  There are few providers who have the intellectual and sexual sophistication for a multi-hour date. Many others are just soaking the client.  Hearing about a providers problems on my dime is not my idea of foreplay.

I think two hour minimums for first meetings are entirely reasonable and desirable.  As a somewhat shy and nervous individual, I appreciate ladies who actually care about at least getting to know how to be with someone before going any further.  That tells me the lady is a caring individual and after all, its all about service, isn't it?  So, the two hour minimum is actually a green flag for me.

Above comments are only applicable if the lady is reviewed as not being a clock watcher.  I guess bottom line is read the reviews carefully.

That's just me, I don't seem to have a problem finding wodnerful escorts to see. When I view an ad/post for an escort that attracts me, if she requests a 2 hr first date, I just move on. I reserve multi hour dates to escorts I've already seen, and know, without any doubt I will have a great time with.

I really enjoy getting to know my dates prior to moving to the bed. What's wrong with talking for a little while first? Now of course, if conversation isn't good you should obviously move on. Never should you be an a**hole as the woman described in the OP.

Do guys who enjoy getting to know/talking to their companion in the initial 30 min of a 2hr date exist? I'm told the answer is no...maybe I'm in denial. Hmmm....let me go create a post to get a count!

-- Modified on 7/5/2010 1:01:15 PM

it's just me, but I don't see this as a problem at all.  I seldom make dates less than 2 hours, even with a provider I've never seen.  Of course there is lots of homework done prior to meeting.
There are a couple "must haves" that have to appear in 99% of her reviews, and I look for any signs of YMMV.  There have been some hot ladies I have never seen because of inconsistant reviews.

I enjoy having a drink, or just getting to know the lady better.  I hour dates to me are basically just the mechanical,physical aspects, and always seemed rushed.

Gawd, this is starting to sound like a "mangina" post!     Difference is, I'm not looking for a DEEP mild meld connection here, I just like more time to play, and no feeling of being rushed.

Sounds to me like the ONLY red flag was the lack of recent reviews.  Too bad shit like this happens, especially when SHE insists on 2 hr minimums, but it does.  Live and learn I guess.  

Since you just can't know if you are going to like someone before you meet them,two hours is too much of a risk.

Built in upsell is spot on.
If a guy want to spend 2 hours, then great!

But if it is required... STOP! That is civie dating!!! LOL! This is a whole new type of provider experience. It's not GFE... It's the one before you have A GIRLFRIEND...

It's the a civie dating experience where you HAVE to take the time to connect so she feels like it, you HAVE to spend the big bucks on all the extras to get her in the mood, you HAVE to worry about saying just the right thing so as not to blow it.  It's like the first date... It's a FIRST DATE EXPERIENCE!  FDE!

Now those ladies can offer the FDE! (minumum 2 hours) And if everything pleases her... you might get some token lovin'! LOL! If not, look for the action on the 2nd session with a 4-hour minumum, dinner drinks, and gift required

---HalfHour

Sorry, but it is. To a certain degree, anyway.

As every provider is so quick to claim, you're paying for her time. It's up to you to dictate how that time is spent. I'm not saying be a dick about it, but I would've told her exactly what your expectations were. And at the first sign that she wasn't going to meet them, it's time to talk about ammending the party and price accordingly.

Of course, if she's the type to pull this shit, I suppose she's also the type to tell you to fuck off.

So maybe it wasn't your fault anyway.

It was my fault for thinking with the little head and booking a session with a provider I shouldn't have seen.

To your point about dictating how the time is spent.  I tried several times, but when a lady says no, I back off. She made it clear that she wasn't ready to start. I'd rather feel like I got ripped off than feel like I forced a lady.

I prefer spending time getting to know a lady a little upfront even during a one-hour appointment, although not a whole half hour.

But I find the best conversations occur after sex.

You obviously can't force anything. Not worth it morally or legally. What I was suggesting was more along the lines of telling her, after it became clear she was stalling on purpose, that this isn't what you're paying for.

I was gonna point out how it was still your fault for rolling the dice, but figured I'd be beating a dead horse.

Just sucks that it happened, but look at it as a lesson learned.

"lots of homework done prior".

If a guy is honest with himself what he values and makes sure whatever that is is part of her package he'll likely do just fine.

Too many guys fixate on the photo or on one aspect of the provider and then are upset when the rest of the package isn't what they wanted.  No different than a guy buying a lemon at the car lot because all he checked out first was the color.

-- Modified on 7/5/2010 2:21:34 PM

You did not do your homework.  I only have longer dates, 90 mins. or more, but I feel comfortable in doing so due to the reviews.  I read the reviews and get an idea of the experience before I make contact.

I may be lucky, or maybe I'm on a good streak, but I have not been disappointed.

If a guys wants 2 hours or more, he will tell me.  Eveyone is different.  I do plenty of multi hour appointments and I have no need to require a minimum.  Some of my best regulars are one hour guys.

It is very very slow. First content line starts of with Flashqix, what more can one do starting a page.

Entire code base looks like, it is written by a 5 year old. There many other free sites, use them.

Personally, I am boycotting Wix.

Personally, I would have moved on. I will only do 2 hr with someone I met before and if we got along. Otherwise what's the point.

I had a chance to reconnect with a male friend in Chicago last week...  We have exceptional chemistry, and I was looking forward to exploring all of our options, as well as the awesome conversation we always share.  Unfortunately he was only good for one round that day, much to my chagrin... I was left with mojo to spare (as my colleague at dinner noted later...lol).

The wonderful thing about this man is that he is not preoccupied by expectations of what is or is not going to happen...it just flows naturally, and it's awesome however it plays out as there is more going on then just the physical.  Our last few encounters have actually only been one rounders, but he has never tried to get less time for me because of only being able to do one round.  Again, for some it's about the experience...while the needs may seem universal, they are really not...

Extended engagements are not for everyone, and should not be toted as being something that will transform one experience over another (but it can... ). Ultimately one of the things that can make or break an engagement (IMO) is two people being on the same page.  For the guys looking for half hour dates-a provider like myself is not going to be what they are really looking for...  That's not where my mindset is, that is not the type of service I'm used to giving, so I am not going to do that type of service like someone else might.  

I've had guys contact me to try and talk me down to just an hour, stating they don't do two hours until they meet someone first...similar to the OP's statement.  I understand this logic and respect it, but this is an indicator to me that I am *NOT* really what they are looking for...  We are on different pages, and neither is better or worse then the other, they are just different, and those perspectives should be respected equally.

Regards,

xoMegan

I had a similar situation many months ago, but this lady had great reviews. I could not get her to stop talking I felt as if I were being interogated.

I had booked a 3 hour visit since she said these were her best dates. She kept asking me to take her out for a late lunch as part of the 3 hours which was not in our initial plan, it was an afternoon session.

It was rush rush rush once the fun stuff started. After the main event I went to the bathroom to clean up and when I returned she was on her computer with the TV blasting fully dressed. A second round was not even an option. I got dressed and got the hell out of there.

hey just pm me the list of free sites you know about as i think the site i got on wix is fine for a newbie like me..

SweetPeach

But that's ok, it's not the first time in my life that I didn't ride with the herd.

In this discussion, I think it's important to separate the two issues of (1) a two hour minimum, from (2) ladies who only want you out the door as fast as possible.

As far as (2) goes, my takeaway from these posts is read reviews, read reviews, and read reviews.  I would never see a (2).

As far as (1) goes, I guess I appreciate the overall package, and I enjoy a bit of companionship and empathy along the rest of the session.  It's hard to find ladies who excel at a total experience, at least in my area (SF).

These are great threads, I learned a bunch from reading them.

why do you men fall for all the song and dance of what I see as obvious phoney-ness.

Often I've noticed impersonal, poorly made websites, bad grammar, sentence structure, the inability to communicate ideas succintly on websites of much higher priced ladies coupled with what I consider average looks, often with no face, and photos many years old.. never updates.

I am in awe of how they get any biz.
Slapping a high price tag on something doesn't make it higher quality.

When you are filling out those introduction forms which keep you at a distance from actually interacting with them...or talking to their 'booking agent' (?)
Keep in mind the purpose is to create the illusion of how inaccessible they are.... how in demand and desirable.  *like the market is not flooded with very nice attractive women. They SHOULD be telling you how grateful you are they choose to call them.*

The rule of ... it's not what a person says it's what they do.    When a girl shows alot of signs of wanting to distance herself from the experience of you...you must realize that will extend to the private encounter.

If I were a man, with a girl charging above average prices, I'd expect above average service and attention.   If your eyes were open and not just your zipper I think you'd be able to tell this before the appointment has begun in the precursor contact.

I'm cool and relaxed and skilled enough to make a nervous guy comfortable in about a minute...

I don't believe a 2 hour min is necessary for all the attention and caring you expect.

Had another lady claim it was so important to get to know me to get comfortable, but said she didn't like to talk on the phone and wanted to keep email contact to a minimum. Yes of course had a two-hour minimum and wanted me to pay for what should have been handled in screening.  I took a pass on her.

I love a good conversation when it flows naturally but two many ladies have a time set and use it as a way to limit BCD activity. I much prefer a longer chat during the middle of a multi-hour session.

Please though, don't throw a blanket statements like that over all ladies with time minimums, higher prices, and/or who like their services to be exclusive.

Some of us feel that limiting the number of sessions we take actually does improve the quality of the time we share.  Some of us have earned our reputation for being able to adore our suitors and connect on a genuine level.  Some of us feel that the tangible and intangible uniqueness of our offerings deserves to be rewarded financially.  Inaccessibility may indeed be the sign of a very busy Other Life, and not just an illusion.

There are many women more beautiful than myself who are willing to play... and I encourage most men who visit my site to keep looking for the provider who meets their physical and price requirements.  I make it difficult to meet me on purpose, I only want to meet men who want to meet Me.  I am extremely honored and flattered by those who decide that I am the one they want to share intimate time with.

Every one is looking for something different, and it's beautiful that there are so many different providers to suit those needs.

If not others will fall for the same game.

I would like every man to take at least 90 minutes but that's because I like to take my time and play. Yes, I use my lips and tongue but not to talk.

Kisses Haley

Just becuz my min is an hour doesn't mean I am not exclusive, limit my biz, have lots of over an hour appointments, adore my suitors (albeit some more than others), and connect on a genuine level.  

Not slamming you personally.  I just don't see alot of ladies that sales pitch and requirements follow a logical flow by using the criteria.. "I charge more so my service is better"  "I make you buy x amount of time, makes my service better"

I am offended when people think my one hour availability means I am not and do not require quality people.

I AM accessible via phone and email AND I also make it 'hard' to meet me and am assured the guy wants to meet ME.

I see the open-ness and honestly in approach THAT's how they prove that they want to see me. ... not by filling out forms and touching their heads while patting their tummies.  Its not just call and give me a room number.
If they have read my website, investigated me, are caring , considerate, willing to bring me to a comfort level with their personal information so that I am at ease meeting that is how I can determine who is genuine and wants a genuine experience. AND most of those men are looking for longer appointments. Just becuz a girl offers an hour only doesn't mean she gets majority of hours purchased. Stacks men back to back.  Its a REAL falacy that ruffles my feather *obviously*
2 months ago I had 2 trips one local overnight, one dinner and one 1hr.
and furthermore: Men know themselves.. some only are 'active' for about 5mins.. plenty of time to chit chat, cuddle, romance, talk, laugh, relate.  


Requiring time amount purchase is not an end all to if she is a quality provider and not any indicator of the level or attention or connection or intimacy.  See us as individuals. That's all I'm saying.

I agree. I never book more than 1 hour for a first appointment. Anything more than that if the chemistry is off is like a bad dental appointment ...for either party.

"See us as individuals. That's all I'm saying."

My response was about how I do business and I intentionally repeated the phrase "some providers." I make no assumptions about your business model, or that of others, other than to say there are others who operate as I do.  It would be nice if you held off on your own assumptions and judgments, as per your initial post.

We all just gotta' do what works best for us, and it's all good as long as it's all good.