TER General Board

Touchy Providers
brownjack 3372 reads
posted
1 / 39

I'd seen the same provider four times now, for two hours each time.  On each occasion, I would bring gifts and drinks, and treat her with the utmost care and respect.  And, I would sometimes send her gift cards in between sessions.  Basically, I feel that I treated her as though she were an actual girlfriend.

 
On the third visit, after cuddling for awhile, I said, smiling, "I'm ready to molest you".  I get that this is a loaded phrases and in most circumstances, problematic.  But, this is a phrase that I had said to numerous girlfriends in the past, always playfully and in jest.  And, it had always been taken as such.  The remark on it's own is offensive and approaching a 'Me too' kind of moment.  But, I assumed that the level of intimacy that we had achieved up to that point, gave me leeway to be playful.  My hostess' reaction was quite strong (but, not necessarily wrong), and despite my immediate and remorseful apology, she scolded me for several minutes.  I was confused by her reaction.  I had given her no reason to that point, or since, to think that I intended her any harm whatsoever.  The session ended.

 
Accepting responsibility for my mistake, and placing no blame on her, I contacted her for another session and she accepted.  In this most recent session, again after a period of cuddling, intending to restart the action, I said jokingly, "Are you ready to work?".  Again, the remark was made in jest, intending to be lighthearted.  Again, she glared at and scolded me.  After a brief period of me apologizing and explaining my meaning, and then getting a little pissed off, and her explaining why it was so triggering, the session was over.  But, not until she said that she hoped to see me again.

 
If either of these events had occurred in our first session together, I would understand that either comment would be considered disgusting and threatening and I would expect to have the session end on the spot and for her to never accept another date request.  But, I would have thought that after three (or four) visits, I assumed that we were 'friendly' and that I might have earned some level of trust.  Not to mention, that after the previous occurence, she might have assumed that the second occurrence was me joking.

 
My inclination is, regretfully, to not go back to see her.  My concern is that I now feel self-conscious and will be obliged to second guess everything that I say.  And as such, I would be unable to relax and enjoy the experience.  

 
Thoughts?

inicky46 61 Reviews 86 reads
posted
2 / 39

Not so much the first time because what you said was pretty innocent and just should have gotten a chuckle out of her. But the second time around you really should have known better. In fact, what you taught her the first time was how to get money for nothing. So when you made another innocent remark she knew all she'd have to do was get offended and get a quick, no-effort session.
So, for sure, don't go back and see her.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 94 reads
posted
3 / 39

At least you had a very clear reason given for her actions, so weren't left guessing.   Three are at least two or three gals that I had seen for some time that suddenly disappeared and won't answer my emails, etc.   They still have sites up and are working as far as I know, so I guess I got fired, but why, I have no idea.    On the other hand, I stopped seeing some gals for various reasons and never told them why, so the balance is even.

 
There is a lesson for all that, unless you are a one-time and move on kind of guy, we need to be very careful with our speech and actions and not transgress.

 
Find a new favorite and be careful what you say.

RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 85 reads
posted
4 / 39

Correct Nicky. She won the power dynamic between them. From now on she's going to take advantage of her power knowing that she can fully control him just by displaying her attitude, and still get paid. No way I would go back to see her. Too many good ones out there that would have rolled with the punches [bad pun, I know].

Adonis48 83 reads
posted
5 / 39

I'm tired of bitchy touchy providers that go off on the slightest comment outside the norm. You can't say anything anymore without offending someone it's just gotten ridiculous. It's obvious given the relationship you've developed with her you were kidding with her, I think it's more than likely what the previous poster mentioned - she wanted to be through with the session and decided to play the offended card. This also happened to me a few months back with a similarly innocent comment and the provider shut down the session before intercourse commenced [after a very rocky start] and I strongly suspect it was all much ado over nothing simply to end the session before intercourse could begin. It's a ploy to end the sex  and keep the cash. Personally I've had it with all the nonsense I've encountered with the behavior of some of these providers and along with the high prices and lack of quality I'm done. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of great providers out there but I'm tired of getting the bum steers and I just can't do it anymore.    

RespectfulRobert 104 reads
posted
6 / 39

Not everything is perfectly scripted from our brains to our mouths and sometimes people take offense for strictly personal  reasons that we may not be aware. Was she molested? Does she have a friend or loved one who was? Rhetorical questions but I think you see my point. Some ladies, as are some men, are just more high strung or take things more personally than others and get offended more easily.  
This is one of those learning experiences we all go through at some point. You acknowledged your mistake and you forgive yourself and you move on.  We are all human after all. Thanks for sharing.

John_Laroche 81 reads
posted
7 / 39

A lot of women in this profession have a troubled past, or are self-conscious about their occupation. Some are just easily triggered. I can understand your first attempt at humor (ready to molest you), but why in the world would you come back with another potentially offensive one-liner?

Look, I've been there. After an off-hand remark my ATF yelled and literally threw things at me (fortunately nothing too large). We worked it out and never looked back.

If you like this provider enough to have walked away from a session and come back...and she'll welcome you back AGAIN,  what's the harm in trying one more time. As my subject line says, JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  

STOLGUY 24 Reviews 93 reads
posted
8 / 39

I would have politely apologized and cut my losses immediately after the so called incident.  Ok, you may have "joked too hard" but the reality is there is no getting it back regardless of the level or amount of explaining and, as for me, I am not a trained psychoanalyst.  Fuck it.  I don't need the aggravation of trying to predict how everything I say is going to land.

cks175 51 Reviews 80 reads
posted
9 / 39

At least with her. Your sense of humor falls in the cruder end of the spectrum, and your provider falls in the more sensitive end of the spectrum.

vigerous 26 Reviews 141 reads
posted
10 / 39

A couple of nights ago I went to my (most regular) regular's place after an uncomfortable incident between meetings. She's not an indie, but close. The incident shook me and I wondered if we could go back to normal with my new-found feeling about her... not a good feeling.  
 
It was present in the room, we acknowledged it, and we GOT TO WORK! 😂 I love fucking her and she's worth every penny I give her and more.

impposter 49 Reviews 94 reads
posted
11 / 39

I agree with inicky, above (stay away), but if you do go back and she asks you, "Do these pants make me look fat?" keep your mouth shut and RUN AWAY!!!!!!!

Posted By: John_Laroche
Re: Just keep your mouth shut
A lot of women in this profession have a troubled past, or are self-conscious about their occupation. Some are just easily triggered. I can understand your first attempt at humor (ready to molest you), but why in the world would you come back with another potentially offensive one-liner?  
   
 Look, I've been there. After an off-hand remark my ATF yelled and literally threw things at me (fortunately nothing too large). We worked it out and never looked back.  
   
 If you like this provider enough to have walked away from a session and come back...and she'll welcome you back AGAIN,  what's the harm in trying one more time. As my subject line says, JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  

SuperGoldenGlobe69 92 reads
posted
12 / 39

She has to see you,  that’s her income.  But anything you do is irritates her crazy.  She really tries . It’s not easy.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 78 reads
posted
13 / 39

the rest aren't borderline.
.
You never know what's going to set them off.  But once they explode, it's not possible to pick up the pieces.
.
Move on,

inicky46 61 Reviews 88 reads
posted
14 / 39
joedp 108 reads
posted
15 / 39

@brownjack Why did the SP get offending for the comment of "working"? I think she picked a fight with you to take your money and do nothing.

Once-Is-Not-Enough 102 reads
posted
16 / 39

Clearly, different strokes for different folks.  But after you screwed up with her the first time, that would have been a mood killer for me and I would have looked elsewhere for subsequent appointments.  Clearly you two are marching to the beat of a different drum.

 
Accept it and move on.  Unless of course this is a kink of yours and you enjoy being rejected for the stupid things that come out of your mouth.

eastside70 47 Reviews 83 reads
posted
17 / 39

these things

Posted By: brownjack

"I'm ready to molest you"

"Are you ready to work?"
to any other business that's providing a service for you?

If so, then maybe she quite possibly overreacted to your jokingly comments.  

But I'm willing to bet that you would never say either of those things to any other business, so her negative reactions to your questionable comments were most likely justified.  

No matter what a client thinks or what a provider says, being friends is not a part of this business transaction. Over time both parties may become "friendly" with each other, but it's still best to keep it professional.

Future dates with her will most likely be you walking on pins and needles around her, so I'd probably not see her anymore.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 77 reads
posted
18 / 39

While I agree that the statement you made could be problematic -- clearly it was in your case -- the origin of your "crime" was thinking that after 4 sessions you had really gotten close to the provider. That error led you to think you could be provocatively humorous with the lady. But seems like you jumped the gun on that as you didn't know her well enough to know if such a phase might be offensive or make her uncomfortable (perhaps due to events in her past?). And,she certainly didn't know you well enough to accept such statements without feeling threatened (if that's what was happening).

 
Much of the other advice still holds but I think the key lesson here is that we easily fool ourselves into thinking the relationships have reached a certain level when the reality is they are nothing like what we thought. Best to take very small steps between the purely professional relationship towards one of a more personal relationship with providers. I think we fool ourselves due to the very intimate nature of the interaction that make us think we have something more than a P4P relationship.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 67 reads
posted
19 / 39

I do think that if this was a first date the op would carry on much more carefully. He judged to be much closer to the provider and that she'd appreciate or at least tolerate his humor.  

 
With that said, the prospect of watching what I say and double guessing what I say to a provider who I've seen many times, doesn't appeal to me personally. And I bet it doesn't appeal to the op.

 
I'd say if this provider doesn't have something unique or dear to your heart, just see someone else if you can be more comfortable around them with your humor. And if this provider by some chance has great service or great looks that you're really into, you have to make a weighted decision depending on what's more important to you.

brownjack 93 reads
posted
20 / 39
brownjack 55 reads
posted
21 / 39

Thank you Chanel.

 
btw - I checked out your site.  You are crazy desirable.  If ever I find myself headed to New York or Miami, I will definitely look you up.

QueenBia See my TER Reviews 79 reads
posted
22 / 39

Unfortunately, if you look at statistics people who engage in adult work have been molested. I would refrain from using the word entirely. Just take it out of your vocabulary, unless it is agreed upon with the provider before playtime. My personal opinion.

Communication is key.

MysteryAdmin 98 Reviews 77 reads
posted
23 / 39

Very well stated!  I once had a similar experience, but it was actually *reversed*.   There was a companion I saw very regularly and after about 20 appts or so, she told me I reminded her of an extended family member and she proceeded to use racial pejoratives to explain what she meant.  Clearly, she felt "comfortable" enough around me to tell me this story, since it involved her personal extended family (nothing I had ever asked about) but her comments weren't received well by me at all.   A few days later, I called her and discussed the incident and she wasn't interested in resolving the issue, so we parted ways.

Thanks for the great post!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 115 reads
posted
24 / 39

"I'm ready to molest you", if you had said, "I'm ready to see how many times I can make you cum," you would have gotten a giggle and cooperation instead of a lecture.  Choose your words carefully, and even though it's a paid session, lean towards "romantic" and away from crude.  

Angel4Life 107 reads
posted
25 / 39

Warped & Twisted.  Most of my Regulars know this….still there is a fine line between warped and stupid!  “I’m ready to Molest You”. That statement is the epitome of Assholitity!  WTF were you thinking?  I also can read most people fairly easily!  Until I feel the accurate read, I just STFU!  On those rare instances where I have difficulty determining this, all the more reason for me to STFU!

cks175 51 Reviews 81 reads
posted
27 / 39

He basically called her a whore, in a joking manner. She didn’t find it funny.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 78 reads
posted
28 / 39

with this one, either.  I guess it comes with experience being around women in general, both civvie and professional (meaning providers, too, not just doctors or lawyers.  Lol)  

y2j 8 Reviews 89 reads
posted
29 / 39

Well said but still just a stupid and classless thing to say.  And then you felt the need to do it again with another stupid one-line!  

Jay285 1 Reviews 93 reads
posted
30 / 39

That's reaching a grey area. I mean, how well do you know each other and how could you confirm what the comfort levels are between you two, especially in her line of work.  

I won't lie, I've done the same too, but I use lighter terms to gauge their comfort with me, and I move from there. I think that phrase you use was literally skipping through multiple hoops...

If she did build enough comfort, she would have understood it was to be taken lightly but guess now you know brother. Use way lighter terms then jump to that if you really want to.  

As for me, when I get a provider comfortable with me, it's clear when she drops the act and we literally just chill and shoot the shit like adults post session. And obviously when personal shit drops, it's pretty clear for me, lol.

Jo1go 95 reads
posted
31 / 39

And a  snow flake and cannot take a joke. The customer is always right, within limit and I think you are within limit especially when you said input in jest.  

I would move on, plenty of fish in the sea.

brownjack 91 reads
posted
32 / 39

I maintain that given the circumstances and the context, I should have expected a less dramatic reaction.

 
That said, all of the posts here have helped me realize something about myself.  And although this is embarrassing to admit, being a grown man and all, I post it here hoping to help others.  The change that I need to make in my approach to intimate relationships (inside and outside the hobby) is:

 
*** Instead of trying to make love TO the lady, I should be trying to make love WITH the lady. ***

 
Up until this point, I had approached all of my intimate interactions in the hobby as transactional (which, of course, on the surface the are).  But, past the business part, my attitude on the physical part was transactional as well ( e.g.  you do this to me, then I'll do that to you).  In the future, I'll try to respond and react in the moment.  Rather than, having an agenda (which, I almost always do).

 
A good analogy is:  When speaking to someone, listening, and then responding, rather than just waiting for your turn to talk.

 
I hope this helps someone.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 90 reads
posted
33 / 39

It can be dicey expressing a situation such as you encountered, because too often doing so  turns yourself into a piñata for our stick wielding  audience.   But that's the way TER is, love it or hate it.

 
I recall an episode of Seinfeld (It's amazing how often that show's themes resonate with the subject matter of this board.) that Jerry got jettisoned by a gal he was about to make time with when he 'innocently" mentioned something about the gal's mother.   That's all it took, and it was pretty tame too; something about how her mom laid out her clothes as I recall.

 
Until you know a gal's psyche pretty well, you are best off leaning towards the safe side in choice of words and topics of conversation.

 
On the other hand, I've met a few gals who egged me on to do and say things that actually put me off a bit.   I'm talking about things like playing out their rape fantasies, or using foul and debase language.   Real XXX stuff.

 
So, it can cut both ways, for sure.

ragin_hardon 17 Reviews 70 reads
posted
34 / 39

I forget which movie it was, but the line went something like: "I don't pay you to be here, I pay you to leave."  Good advice when dealing with providers, especially those who are under 35 and would be classified as snowflakes.  The first comment may have been playful, but likely triggered something in her her.  You apologized and moved on.  The second, was all on you though.  It was a true statement, but some girls don't want what they do considered "work".  Its debasing and a little rude.  I'm sure she's not proud of what she is doing and probably classifies it in her head as something different; just not being a prostitute.  Move on.  If she was a good lay, go back, keep your mouth shut and do your business.  If you want a girlfriend, go get one, just don't ever think a provider should, or could be one for you.  Remember, you pay them to leave.

inicky46 61 Reviews 94 reads
posted
35 / 39

"I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

sympathyforthedevil 57 Reviews 95 reads
posted
36 / 39

She needs a thicker skin for this biz. Seems to me she found a great way to get the cash without doing the deed.

brownjack 79 reads
posted
37 / 39

It's been suggested, in a couple of replies, that the provider's reaction to my comments benefited her by allowing her to get paid, without providing a full session.

 
In the interest of full disclosure, although both session did end a little early, in both cases plenty of activity had proceeded my comments, and her subsequent reactions.  The the sessions were in fact near their scheduled end.

impposter 49 Reviews 102 reads
posted
38 / 39

Posted By: mrfisher
I recall an episode of Seinfeld (It's amazing how often that show's themes resonate with the subject matter of this board.)...
and the rest of the real world, too!
http://www.mindingtherapy.com/psychology-of-seinfeld/
"... Anthony Tobia, a Rutgers University associate professor, regularly uses Seinfeld to teach psychology (“Psy-feld”) to medical students, something he started doing in 2009. According to CBS News, Tobia views Jerry as having obsessive compulsive traits, Kramer as having schizoid traits, Elaine as having “an inability to forge meaningful relationships,” George as egocentric ["Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it."]— and Newman as “very sick.” Furthermore, at least five of Elaine’s boyfriends are deemed to have delusional disorders."
.
"Social psychologist Sam Sommers not only teaches Seinfeld but also uses it in other parts of his work. “The Science of Seinfeld,” in fact, is an article by him that made the rounds around the same time that his book Situations Matter: Understanding How Context Transforms Your World  (2011), which also contains useful info about the sitcom, hit the shelves. ..."
.
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jan/03/seinfeld-mental-illness-rutgers-robert-wood-johnson-medical-school-psychiatry
Seinfeld a study in mental illness thanks to medical school's psychiatry course
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tP9fI2zbE
Library Cop
"... You think that because you're a celebrity that somehow the law doesn't apply to you, that you're above the law. ... I got a flash for you joy boy: Party time is over."

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 85 reads
posted
39 / 39

I always wonder when they tell me to be a little rough or use abusive language if they are "testing" me, so I'm reluctant to go all in until I have seen them several times.  If I'm established as a regular, and she has a fantasy she wants me to be a part of, I will take it as a sign of her trust that I won't go out of control, and will comply, but when it's someone I'm seeing for the first time, I question her motive in wanting something I usually don't do with a perfect stranger.  "Am I being set up for something?" spins in my head.

Register Now!