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Dapper-John 318 reads
posted
2 / 46

providers ripped them off. Good for the agency! There are too many thieves and ROB's that get away with burning other people.  
I know that I appreciate the warning, and will avoid these skanks if I ever see them elsewhere.

BTW, Aphrodite is not the first agency to this.

WheresTheCommonSense 346 reads
posted
3 / 46

Just because it's on a website it MUST be true, right? Stupid.

Everyone needs to understand the old adage of there being three sides to every story.
Accusing someone publicly of something is NO different than:
1. A hobbyist claiming an agency girl stole money out of their wallet.
2. Claiming the agency tried to blackmail them by threatening to expose their personal information.
3. An escort claiming she was robbed by an agency.
4. Nearly any scenario that involves accusing someone of something while providing no proof.

If the accusations are not true, or there is possibly another side of the story, posting pictures is absolutely wrong.
If the accusations are true, posting pictures is just wrong.

Here's a suggestion for the agency. Put up the real pictures of your owners and managers with a caption that reads:
This website page is dedicated to me and my poor business practices. I was dumb enough to put someone in a position where they could steal from me. I really think I'm smart, but apparently don't know much about business, so here's my face too.

Until they do that, they should STFU and hopefully listen to the sound of their phone not ringing.

Now here's a question for all the people who support this agencies practices to answer.
If you were accused of something, anything, would you agree that it's right to have someone put up a webpage with your picture on it? Nothing you can say about it, and no way you can respond to it.
You are challenged to answer that question directly.


I posted this when the subject was brought up on another board and, big surprise, no one had the balls to answer the question directly.
So let's see who can answer the question and not dance around it.

GaGamblerssmarterbrother 286 reads
posted
4 / 46

and I could really give a fuck if they left the agency owing them money. The only thing relevant to me is whether or not they give a good session, and whether or not they will cheat ME. This outing looks like the agency is more concerned about people stealing from THEM rather than looking out for their clients.

and if the girls were found to be ripping off clients, what does that say about the agency itself and their ability to protect their clients in an industry such as this?

BTW a couple of the girls listed looked hott, If I lived in the neighborhood, I might be interested in looking them up just to hear their side of the story.

marikod 1 Reviews 292 reads
posted
6 / 46

than most of the posts I have seen - they are not doing this to protect the client, to get the money back, or to be mean and vindictive to the girls. And it does not matter whether the "thief" accusation is true or not.  

     The whole point of this type of public flogging is for the deterrent effect on other employees. Ironically, you can't do this in the private sector for the fear of being sued. But that is not going to happen in the escort world.

       Faced with knowledge of this kind of policy, the agency's present and future employees are going be very careful to settle up accurately. So the agency gets some degree of client appreciation but mainly benefits by keeping other employees honest without having to resort to pimp-like tactics.

HalfHour 220 reads
posted
7 / 46

But I LIKE it!

In the same way i like Jerry Springer.

:)
HalfHour

mrfisher 115 Reviews 197 reads
posted
8 / 46

Even if you feel that you were legitamately wronged by someone, there are times when discretion if the better part of valor, and also good business.

These gals have little to lose by sicing a lawyer on the agency.  That real bad thing is that the poop that will go flying will hurt all people in the hobby.

Better screening and recruiting skills are what is called for here, not public shaming.

Dapper-John 204 reads
posted
9 / 46

If you don't know what the thieves look like, it wouldn't do any good to post them.

WheresTheCommonSense 237 reads
posted
10 / 46

Instead of supporting this at every opportunity, how about you offer what you know for an absolute fact that makes them thieves?

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
You don't seem willing to accept any other scenario, so let's have you step up and back up your obvious opinion.

FROOMIE 184 Reviews 1866 reads
posted
11 / 46

I ran into this little gem of a link today.  This agency has a link showing girls that they once had that ripped THEM off, warning other agencies (or clients, I guess) about hiring these girls. . . . completely shown without blurred faces.  Oh well, if you made that bed . . .  you sleep in it.

About_Da_Business_Man 311 reads
posted
12 / 46

It's one thing to steal from customers,(bad thing) Stealing from your employer or your boss is another.
Now there could be other circumstances behind this agency's motives.

ReaganMoore See my TER Reviews 334 reads
posted
14 / 46

Kinda makes you wonder what the Agencies screening method of the provider was prior to employing them and sending them to your house? Just a thought.

curt23 13 Reviews 293 reads
posted
15 / 46

Since I don't know details about the agency, if it is true yes it is good information, but I have heard of agencies trying to ruin a girls reputation when she leaves to go independent also, so without knowing the agency and there own motives for putting this information up it is suspect also. I prefer to get my warnings from other reviewers that I can check their review history.

Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide 243 reads
posted
16 / 46

Love the one where "Berlin" ripped off Samira after Samira took her in / helped her out. Berlin stole some jewelry, make-up, clothes and a credit card -- racking it up over $1,000 in charges.

That is a face to always remember... and stay far, far away from.

Very interesting... thanks for posting that link.

Posted By: FROOMIE
I ran into this little gem of a link today.  This agency has a link showing girls that they once had that ripped THEM off, warning other agencies (or clients, I guess) about hiring these girls. . . . completely shown without blurred faces.  Oh well, if you made that bed . . .  you sleep in it.

OldTraveler 40 Reviews 245 reads
posted
17 / 46

It is impossible to tell with only one version of what happened and what the definition of "ripped off" is.

My ATF left an agency and just because she left the owner sent papers into the IRS that my ATF had made $2M the year before--off several zeroes.  She had been one of the agencies high dollar types and the madam was pissed some of the high roller clients only wanted to see her.  My ATF wasn't the only lady burned that way.

Some good agencies get burned by bad ladies.  Some good ladies get burned by pimps disguised as agencies.

Posted By: curt23
Since I don't know details about the agency, if it is true yes it is good information, but I have heard of agencies trying to ruin a girls reputation when she leaves to go independent also, so without knowing the agency and there own motives for putting this information up it is suspect also. I prefer to get my warnings from other reviewers that I can check their review history.

HiImAlias 261 reads
posted
18 / 46

First, I respect the agency for warning other agencies and potential clients about these providers--thief is a crime. Anyways, it looks kinda shady and somewhat tarnish their reputation by posting these thieves in their website. Again, maybe they should reconsider how they screen their providers to prevent future losses.

inicky46 61 Reviews 263 reads
posted
19 / 46

I doubt it's possible to screen out every sketchy person in this business.  Perhaps it happens more with agencies than with indies.  But I have personal experience with AC and they are quite good.  Sadly, I know one of their gals who was taken advantage of by one of the scammers they've outed on their site.

inicky46 61 Reviews 244 reads
posted
20 / 46

While I do think the accusations are right (based on my knowledge of AC and having dealt directly with the owner when a problem arose), I don't think it's right to out people like this.  I don't think it's good for their business because it could make clients worry about their girls.  If you look at the amounts stolen, it's penny ante stuff.  I agree with the poster above who said they should take their lumps and move on.  If you want to warn people I'm sure there's a less public way.

alrighty.then 246 reads
posted
21 / 46

But,I think it is going a little far to post a ladys unblurred pic to warn she is a scammer.I think there is other ways to handle those kinds of things the scammers are not working for the agency anymore so they should just move on.I do not think it is right to rip-off a place you work but why not just post the blurred pic with the warning?I used to work for an agency not the one in question but some of these places are very vindictive when you leave.Speaking from a personal experience some agencies(not all)get mad when you want to be independent or not work for them.I quit working for an agency I had taken pics for them that they always had an excuse why they could not post on sites.I got tired of it quit went independent and as soon as I did they took my pics and used them with full face showing.When I became an independent I used other pics that were blurred so I guess they call themselves trying to mess with me.
I am not saying this happened with this situation but I am sure there is way more to this story and maybe they should consider changing the way they work their hiring process.

About_Da_Business_Man 234 reads
posted
22 / 46

The agency probably owns the rights to those pictures, so they can do what they like with them.

Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide 273 reads
posted
23 / 46

Never took any of that into consideration before... (Roll Eyes here.)

If I was Accused of something and did not do it... and my face was plastered on a website with accusations?

Got news for you .. it happens to people every day... It's called the NEWS. Guilty before proven innocent...

As for not being able to do anything about somebody posting a pic up on a site, making false accusations and not being able to do anything about it?

What do you mean "No way to respond to it?" ...

If you can't figure out a "Way to Respond to it" (having your picture posted on a site with false accusations) then you are obviously helpless in the first place so it really does not matter.

Whatever... the only reason why I'm even responding to your silly rant is because of the title you chose.

If you are mad because you got outed by the agency... then post your side of the story on the discussion boards.

Posted By: WheresTheCommonSense
Just because it's on a website it MUST be true, right? Stupid.

Everyone needs to understand the old adage of there being three sides to every story.
Accusing someone publicly of something is NO different than:
1. A hobbyist claiming an agency girl stole money out of their wallet.
2. Claiming the agency tried to blackmail them by threatening to expose their personal information.
3. An escort claiming she was robbed by an agency.
4. Nearly any scenario that involves accusing someone of something while providing no proof.

If the accusations are not true, or there is possibly another side of the story, posting pictures is absolutely wrong.
If the accusations are true, posting pictures is just wrong.

Here's a suggestion for the agency. Put up the real pictures of your owners and managers with a caption that reads:
This website page is dedicated to me and my poor business practices. I was dumb enough to put someone in a position where they could steal from me. I really think I'm smart, but apparently don't know much about business, so here's my face too.

Until they do that, they should STFU and hopefully listen to the sound of their phone not ringing.

Now here's a question for all the people who support this agencies practices to answer.
If you were accused of something, anything, would you agree that it's right to have someone put up a webpage with your picture on it? Nothing you can say about it, and no way you can respond to it.
You are challenged to answer that question directly.


I posted this when the subject was brought up on another board and, big surprise, no one had the balls to answer the question directly.
So let's see who can answer the question and not dance around it.

Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide 202 reads
posted
24 / 46

EXACTLY...

If I was running an agency there is NO way I would do this because the retaliation could be far more damaging then a few bucks...

I also have to wonder if what they are doing hurts in keeping / attracting quality ladies for the service. If you know your employer is going to throw you under the bus because somebody makes a complaint... (valid or not) ... are you really going to want to work with/for them? Hell no...

All of that being said.... would an agency be that stupid to air the dirty laundry openly on the web if it was not true?

I'm not for or against it... I just find it interesting.

Posted By: 100ProofOfLV
The down side to doing this is that the girls could go to LE and try to bring the agency down. A few anonymous phone calls could do the trick. They already know how the agency works and could pass along vital info. Sometimes you just have to look the other way, cut your losses and not piss people off. Maybe a better vetting process in in order

inicky46 61 Reviews 215 reads
posted
26 / 46

I've used that agency and only have been disappointed once.  Even then it wasn't because she didn't look good.  She just was in the wrong business.  They made it up to me.  I was just with another one of their girls early this week and she was as sexy as her pix and very hot in the sack.

inicky46 61 Reviews 228 reads
posted
27 / 46

the question really is what they SHOULD have done with them.  A: nothing.

Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide 248 reads
posted
29 / 46

Exactly what I was thinking...

Most of the issues posted are money owed to the agency issues and as 100Proof mentions above... you really have to wonder if it's worth the risk.

Left and $350 was owed to the agency? Petty...

scoed 8 Reviews 268 reads
posted
30 / 46

Yes they would

There is a local agency that tries to ruin ladies that leave their employment before the six month agreement is up. Thing is the agency promised loads of business failed to deliver and when they split because of no work.

The agency then goes out and claims they was robbed by the ladies that left do to lack of work. This agency has even tipped off local LE of at least one lady that left early and set up shop for herself. I have heard with my own ears the agency owner threaten physical harm. I even heard of one lady that may have been beat up by thugs working for the agency.

Some agencies are pimps and traffickers in disguise and use outing as a threat. Not all agencies are on the up and up, and some are ran by abusive scum. A good number aren't even ran by good business people.

One thing is for sure, that agency in the OP is being real stupid. If I was a money hungry thief as this agency claims those ladies are, I would sue. There is no way the agency would want their business in a court of law so they can't fight it. Even if they do it would be up to them to prove they where robbed or they will likely lose the libel suit. And putting up a defense without admitting to pandering would be a trick. A prostitution change is small potatoes next to pandering.

There is no way in Gods green earth I would knowingly touch an agency that stupid as to publish such things. I take that back I did once and I am still regretting it.

Posted By: Drunk_LasVegas_Tour_Guide
EXACTLY...

If I was running an agency there is NO way I would do this because the retaliation could be far more damaging then a few bucks...

I also have to wonder if what they are doing hurts in keeping / attracting quality ladies for the service. If you know your employer is going to throw you under the bus because somebody makes a complaint... (valid or not) ... are you really going to want to work with/for them? Hell no...

All of that being said.... would an agency be that stupid to air the dirty laundry openly on the web if it was not true?

I'm not for or against it... I just find it interesting.

Posted By: 100ProofOfLV
The down side to doing this is that the girls could go to LE and try to bring the agency down. A few anonymous phone calls could do the trick. They already know how the agency works and could pass along vital info. Sometimes you just have to look the other way, cut your losses and not piss people off. Maybe a better vetting process in in order

About_Da_Business_Man 202 reads
posted
31 / 46

Makeing clients aware, that the girl is no longer afiliated with the agency. Incase she is out there ripping clients off or other unsavory acts.

magic4u 37 Reviews 264 reads
posted
32 / 46

I looked at their website, and it all seems very petty. Blackballing someone for stealing 350.00 seems childless. I would of course fire them, and let them fend for themsefl.

Eventually they'll steal from the wrong client, and get their ass beat, or worse.

The worst I've had done to me, is have a provider keep my watch I left at her in call once, by mistake, and another trying to steal 20.00 from me when i went to go get dress.

harborview 10 Reviews 232 reads
posted
33 / 46

If they get busted, they could take the agency with them.   What do the girls owe?  The agency cut from their last day before they bailed?   Mr Owner, take it like a man.  
I would be pissed if someone stole from me...  clothes, jewlery, CC.  But not the rest.  

I think these pictures should have been blurred.
H

scoed 8 Reviews 208 reads
posted
34 / 46

That clown in my post above is a pimp wannabe. I didn't mean to pain all agencies with that brush. Some agencies don't lie when recruiting their talent, treat their talent fair, and don't try to ruin the lady if things don't work out. I have no issue with agencies that respect their workers and treat their clients with respect as well.

I just wish there was such an agency in Utah. All we have hear are agencies that basically make the ladies upsell to make a profit, or are abusive towards the ladies that work for him. I know good agencies exist, but  there just isn't any around my part of the world, so I tend to be down of agencies as a whole.

ImmaHoe 219 reads
posted
35 / 46

Don't mess with Lt. Uhura, she's baaaaaaad.

no_body_special 202 reads
posted
36 / 46

So, think about this a minute and realize what a bad idea it would be to admit in a court filing that you were an employee of an escort agency, hmm?

scoed 8 Reviews 198 reads
posted
37 / 46

You don't have to admit to anything illegal in the filing. Chance's are they defiantly settle at this point. If it goes to trial, you still don't have to admit to having sex for money as escorting is legal. Odds favor the agency losing big time as doing what they are doing is extremely illegal. Blackballing is a crime. Then if things go poorly in court and the whole prostitution thing rears its ugly head, as prostitution is a misdemeanor in most states and pandering is a felony she can likely turn states evidence and save herself.

If I was what these ladies are accused of you bet your life I would file. It is free money for just a little risk. Only if the agency owner is willing to risk everything is there any risk at all. After all the agency is already outing them as former employees. Truth is only an idiot would leave themselves so vulnerable to a person they are trying to harm and they feel are untrustworthy.

But as for me personally, I only work for myself so I guess I will pass on suing myself.

carmen4111 250 reads
posted
38 / 46

Most agencies I worked with in 2001 would just spread the word through other Adult providers in a city. This is rather ridiculous to cause such harm at damaging a former employees reputation as this? The girls should be allowed to pay remaining fees or banned from that agency all together. When I worked I Never allowed anyone to have my pictures and I was always professional leaving with a great reference resource...

carmen4111 234 reads
posted
39 / 46

Some agencies have been known to spread gossip to sand bag providers from stealing their client list. Most gents who can forward a price fix @ 500. are worthy of repeat business! No one wants to lose their repeat business..when new girls are hired!

carmen4111 192 reads
posted
40 / 46

They could have L E in their side pocket? Lol

carmen4111 241 reads
posted
41 / 46

I have worked for agencies since 1998 and to be honest they were owned by women who have been in the biz since 1989/1990. As of 2001 most of the agencies are owned by Armenian,Mexicans,former drug dealers who really have no business knowledge. Besides these young turks advertise in the Yellow pages and their websites have pictures of girls who were once Webcam chicks from 2007/08/09. Most agencies that have been in the Yellow pages since 1993-2010 are more legit due to the fact that they have a physical address,occupational license and provide employees with lockers,pay roll checks,credit card slips. Now everyone is online these days so the Entertainment/Esrt section is listed with multiple numbers which seems rather dated. Agencies maybe loosing their luster due to referrels,referrences and independent girls creating their own websites.

VFC101 252 reads
posted
42 / 46

No need to wonder just look at Backpage's adult gigs section in ANY major city. Aphrodite advertises daily on all of them. This board is full of how BP girls are ROB's. What do you expect if an agency recruits from there?
This is not to say the women on the page did what Pamela alleges. I'm just saying she (or we) should not be surprised if the women who responded to her BP ads were not the most trustworthy. 'nuff said.

Posted By: ReaganMoore
Kinda makes you wonder what the Agencies screening method of the provider was prior to employing them and sending them to your house? Just a thought.

VFC101 213 reads
posted
43 / 46

I don't know if the allegations are true but regardless if my unblurred photos were on their page with the words thief across it you can rest assured that I would spend every waking moment of the rest of my life to make Pamela feel the pain I would feel if my family and friends saw that.

I would call LE every day with some tidbits of information about their operation.

I would write articles about them and submit to all local papers and online directories. Plaster the internet with their name.

I would send copies of those articles to LE.

I would also send copies to all religious prude groups that would take an issue with prostitution.

I would also set up fake appointments with them to really make them lose money.

I would post ripoff reports about them in every directory and on every board.

And the list goes on and on and on.

Trust me if I could come up with all those methods (however dumb some may be) a woman whose life is at stake could come up with many more.

Very dumb move from the Aphrodite people!

(And no need to call me vindictive I'm just creative. :D)

VFC101 208 reads
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44 / 46

Good to see that some agencies think logically. I was starting to believe that this was a common thread among agency owners. I think Aphrodite has a boat load of trouble coming to them. I can't imagine at least one of the women on that page not taking action to get revenge. Karma is a bitch.

carmen4111 231 reads
posted
45 / 46

Most agencies hit the High end strip clubs to recruit ladies...especially in Manhattan,Las Vegas these days. You never really know what your bringing into your fold from a General classified section. If you place the girls on a 30 day probationary period and keep a close eye. Things will be just fine...Not everyone is out to Rob/Steal/Hustle a service..

Krista.Pleasures See my TER Reviews 275 reads
posted
46 / 46

Please do not forget there are always two sides to every story. I am NOT defending any of these ladies by any means , but I do not think that is appropriate. We have only read one side of the story minus displaying any forms of proof without reading the other side. What is shown on the site could be factual or they could all be accusations.

This is my opinion only . I do not intend to stir up any drama. I just simply felt the need to express what was on my mind.

Thankyou!

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