A post below, got me thinking. Is sex with a provider "fake sex"? My feeling is, that depends a lot on you (the client).  A provider can make all the promises in the world, of what she can, and will do to you, and for you, but will she deliver? Well, I'm sorry to say, that depends a lot on YOU.  

If you contact her with less than two hours notice, (for the first time), don't want to provide screening information, and/or references, so she feels comfortable. Or.. You re not flexible on your time, demanding and unfriendly....then you have already gotten off to a bad start. And/or you show up early (before the agreed upon time, and expect her to be ready), .. or late and don't send a message.  That will create more stress.

From that point on, after you come through the door, we are depending on our acting ability. And when in the bed room, if all you want to do, is fold your arms behind your head, and let US do all the work? Well...Honestly it just becomes work, for us, and it might seem "Fake".

However, on the flip side... When you contact us, you are cooperative, and respectful, happily supplying the info we need, so we feel comfortable. Give us time to get ready, and when you show up, don't have an attitude of "what are you going to do for me". but "lets have some fun"  Well your chances of truly having a GOOD TIME get better.  

I guess my point is, You will get as much out of it, as you put into it, or even more. Providers are only human. so if you want us to be "real" with you, then please be "real" with us. And no "Fake sex"

Just my two cents. Any ideas?

 


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In my perspective, that specific gal will never be voluntarily willing to have sex with me in civie world. Ok, so if I'm paying for time, sex is all but FAKE to begin with. FAKE FAKE FAKE. There I said it! Doesn't matter what specific service the gal does, or if she has the big O or whatever, it's all fake and fake.

With that being said, I see what you mean, but many men don't see gals to just blow off load. At least very much for me for so. For me it's not just about "what" but "how." The providers I have been pissed at before weren't because they didn't want to do kinky stuff I wanted to, but their attitude was just shit. (Not because I was mean, the person just didn't give a fxck)

With that being said, the SEX will be FAKE. Period. Now everyone can take a deep breathe and chillax. The best providers, my opinion, aren't those doing everything on the menu, but rather taking time with the person. It't not just SEX skill, but personal relationship/interaction thing. I think that distinguishes high end ones from those of BP.  

If someone is a dick about giving reference or money, that's a clear black line. Being polite, etc, sure is warranted. I can't speak for another John out there. But I have seen some mid range gals who are just really shitty when it comes to interpersonal relationship. Lower quality ones, what more could I say? Even when you are super nice and trying to do right, these gals are straight up awkward and.. actually fxcking disrespectful. What do I know. I must be awkward even with hookers LMAO. What a world.

But again, this is all case by case, class by class. My first experiences were with agencies that really had world class gals in terms of attitude. And I'm just trying to adjust to the "new" class of indies around town.

All I was trying to say, if it was even remotely relevant to this thread, is that there are just as much disrespectful, awkward, not so friendly-minded gals out there as would Johnnys.
 

Fell like heaven then cum and you get some kissing in there.

...because you nailed it. I learned early on in this hobby that the prep is as important as the date. I like to contact my preferred ladies weeks in advance, not only to ensure our mutual availability but more importantly to ensure ample time to break the ice and build up the romance and intimacy of our impending adventure. After the research on my part is done (thanks to TER advanced search and TER reviews) and after the screening on her part is done, we both feel more comfortable and open with each other. And that can lead to the exchange of emails or  phone calls or TER Private Messages, in which we are comfortable sharing additional info and, perhaps, flirting and teasing a bit, and laying the groundwork for a fun date. If it's a dinner date we can decide on a restaurant that is agreeable to both of us (how disappointing it would be to bring your lovely lady to a wonderful steakhouse only to discover she is vegan) or if it's a role-play adventure we can pre-plan wardrobe or other little details that make the actual date just that much more exciting. I strive to give my date as much enjoyment as she gives me and although I may not achieve that each and every time I definitely make the effort and, in most cases, it is very much appreciated. I have made many friends and developed many LTR's with a variety of different ladies and I value all of them. "Fake sex" is not in my vocabulary.

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Because gals don't seem too interested in being chatty kathy about things before the first meeting. After few-couple of meetings they are fine with light few texts a day, but I always felt like I was pushing it even so.

This is what I don't get. It's not like I'm calling them at midnight for a 30 minute phone call.. What's your magic?

I've found that I always reply to an email with a question mark in it, and most providers usually reply to my emails if they have a question mark in them. Try to ask relevant and real questions, let a little of how eager you are to see her leak out around them, and probably she'll respond with a wink or two. Try to end the exchange by being the first to say, "See you then," pose no further question, and end the exchange. If she has anything else on her mind, she'll get back to you in, I'd almost be willing to be, a flirty tone.

From a males perspective I wouldn't want a provider to proceed with an appointment if she did not feel comfortable.

I would think while a provider is running a current ad. She would not take as long to get ready.

I know it sounds rather insincere, but I don't want to get to know the lady that well before I meet her. That's what the date is for.

...if you perceive it as real (whatever that is and however you perceive as different from what you deem unreal), then it is a real experience. Like if you play darts and who you're playing against let's you win--did you really win? Were you really playing darts?

In my opinion - P4P is not a relationship - it's sport.  And, also in my opinion, if more people treated it that way, they would be happier.  It's no different than playing golf except that Golf is more expensive and considerably more frustrating and time consuming by the time you get finished with your country club membership.  As it happens my favorite engagement length is about the same as a round of golf.  Just like golf - a round is not supposed to be anything more than it is.

It's supposed to be fun.  

The women are the professionals that you are paying to play the sport with.  It makes NO sense to be rude to them - any more than you would be rude to a pro golfer that you paid to give you lessons or play in the pro-am with. That being stated, I must admit that I have known lots of people with money who are rude to people who provide them service.  I don't understand it and can only conclude that they feel inadequate in some way and take it out on people that they feel that they can take it out on.

My rules for golf/P4P  - Do your best, be polite (even when you shank one into a sand trap...), follow the rules, keep a good attitude and try to keep up.   Make those short puts!  Put your hips into your swing!  Slow backswing!  Move through the ball.  Check your grip and your stance - concentrate on the ball! Enjoy the beauty of the course and the day! After the round is over - it's over - possibly some polite chit chat - maybe a round at the bar and then home.  

It's no more fake sex than what I play is fake golf

I really don't know what "fake" sex is. If I am aroused and can reach gratification in several different positions in various body cavities in a gorgeous women, that is about as real as it gets. I cannot tell the difference between that sensation whether it is with my SO or a provider. Wait, yes I can. The P4P is much more satisfying -- maybe it is the idea of doing it with a different woman every time.

What a great analogy! In golf, I have trouble controlling the outcome in spite of hours of practice and intense concentration. In P4P I always control the outcome without worrying about my handicap.

...And in both sports - remember to wash your balls.

For example, if you have to ask "how do I ask the right appropriate questions beforehand to make her comfortable," you'll never know the answer.  Because there is no single answer.  You need to be intuitive. You need to handle yourself at every phase in a way that makes her comfortable and prone to enjoy herself with you.
This is not being a mangina.  It's really about being a human practicing what's called "enlightened self-interest."  Meaning understanding that you get what you give.  And if you make her comfortable with you (meaning you are respectful, funny, clean and follow her rules), she's much more likely to deliver a session you'll enjoy more than if you're brusque, treat her like a piece of meat and have "stank ass."  What's so complicated about that?
I also happen to enjoy focusing on her pleasure.  In years of doing this I have only rarely been disappointed. But I don't think you can teach it if it doesn't come naturally to you.

For me, that's when it's clear the provider truly enjoys her job and is honest with me about what's working for her or not working. I agree with you that in order to have a chance for this kind of experience, I need to come with the right attitude. I also know that not all providers enjoy their jobs, and/or think they need to "fake it" during sex to soothe their clients' egos.

I've been lucky to have found several providers who love their jobs, and it shows in how they treat their clients. Complete honesty from providers, wrt faking it or not during sex, is more rare IMO.  But I know a few providers whom I think are honest with me.  One of them is my ATF... and her honesty is a big reason she is my ATF.  An example: during a recent date late in the day, I started DATY and she told me she didn't think she had any more Os in her (and even under normal circumstances, she can take a long time to cum).  I asked her if it felt good anyway, and she said it did, so I continued.  And after a few minutes, to the surprise of both of us, she did cum... maybe because there was no pressure to "fake it", so she was relaxed.  She's told me she does "fake it" with some other clients, because they seem to be on a mission to make her cum no matter what and she doesn't want to disappoint them.

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Playing "public courses" allows you to play a LOT more golf, for a LOT less money, and the public courses never call you to ask why you haven't played with them for a while. Not to mention they won't ever sue you for divorce, oops, I guess we're not talking about golf any more. lol

Real or fake are not the issues.

After all, sex can be real good or real bad, depending on circumstances.

I view my time with a provider the way I approach going to the theater.  It is an aesthetic experience that is mediated by her skills and attitude as well as my receptiveness.  The biggest difference is that I am an audience of one, and audience participation is very much required.

Poor skills or attitude on the part of either party will disrupt the overall enjoyment.

"learn learn". I dont think so.

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Guilty Conscience, i.e; this is wrong I shouldn’t be doing this. Everything other feeling is caused by trying to justify the behavior.

but one other difference is that once you lose your balls in golf, you can no longer continue the game. I would think that would also hold true in golf, but after reading the countless BSU worthy posts on this board, I am beginning to wonder if balls are really necessary in P4P. lol

as for the fake low scores, I think many reviewers think that "par" is four orgasms per hole, it's amazing how many think that they can shoot a 72 in a single round.

So ok, are you acting with every client?  Acting by its very nature is fake - the best an actor can do is make something seem real, but it is not real.  Fake on the other hand does not mean 'bad' as there are plenty of good movies; well, there used to be.  But we all know movies are fake, but they can be a good escape from our day to day.  And many of us want to leave our day to day behind whether at the multiplex or with you, and escape for a couple of hours not wanting  reality 24/7.   But at the same time we need to be real about the limitations of acting.

On the other hand, are there some clients you enjoy being with? where you're not acting and are instead just one of two people who truly enjoy each other's company?  If the answer is 'yes' then it won't be fake.  It still may not be good but it won't be fake.  

Now to a point I'm fine with 'fake' if the sex is good.   But my preference is to have a real connection, and where this connection happens, even if for one reason or another the sex is not always 'once in a lifetime' , if it's with someone where we both genuinely enjoy each other's company I'll still come back over and over because it's not fake.

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Would be complaining about the fake low scores.

because providers are...real women!!!  I put alot of effort into making her feel like a princess.  And if she reciprocates and we both forget about the donation, she becomes an ATF AND a friend...with benefits.

Most golfers, regardless how mediocre  their game, will make at least one fantastic shot in eighteen holes. The feeling from making that one spectacular shot in 99 tries, that looked like a money shot Tiger made in his prime, will bring the mediocre golfer back to the game, time after time.
  If more than one out of 99 Ho's didn't give their  monger of the hour, an impression he's the Pro of the year, most guys would find another hobby.    

   
   
   

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For exactly these reasons. I also rarely get bad service anywhere else (haircut, restaurant, whatever) because I don't treat people badly. And importantly, I don't carry bad experiences with me to the next appointment. Some service providers, regardless of the service they are providing, just suck and will take advantage of those that treat them with respect rather than respond positively. That's gonna happen and they can smirk when I leave and congratulate themselves on getting paid for putting forth minimal effort but I just shake it off, confident in the knowledge that those types will always lose in the long run. I'm happy to say that in p4p I've had far more good experiences than bad, and a few that rate as memories of a lifetime. Laying back and letting the provider do all the work doesn't sound even remotely fun to me, so I guess being "interactive" has a lot to do with my batting average in this sport. And echoing some other comments I gave up golf...this is cheaper, a helluva lot more fun, and I'm way better at it (which given my golf game is not saying a whole lot, I could be in a coma and be better at this than I am at golf).

I'm a good hobbyist. I'm punctual, dependable, clean, shaved, safe, and communicative. I bring the correct change, have stellar references, and I'm friendly, and easy going. More than that, I'm a 'let's have some fun' kind of guy. Yet, at the same time, like you wanting information to feel comfortable, I have certain parameters that need to be met, otherwise I can't play. So to even attempt a session, I might come off as a little demanding. I try to be polite about it, but the requests have to be met. For example, if I say I want to play at ten a.m. on Sunday, then it has taken some serious planning to make that time available, and I don't have any other options. If I feel my parameters are stressing the lady, then I'm pulling out, and moving on. If I feel her understanding, then I'm, 'let's have a ton of fun'.  

Therefore, I don't think one should call it good (real) sex, or bad (fake) sex. This is a hobby where you both have to be perfect with each other. There isn't any room for stress like in real life. So for me, with few exceptions, it's either perfect sex, or no sex. And perfect sex is always great sex. We just have to get over that first hump.

250. {he is reason i removed a seperate rate for massage actually}
   he arrives and says he doesnt actually really care for a massage, He actually was seeking a 60 min bbj basically and like me doing body to body, while he lays there with his arms behind his head.

 
Not one cup was able to happen after 47 minutes of bbj and being on top him carressing him kissing his neck.  
          At this point my traps start to sting, and my neck muscles are on fuckin fire, At 47 min mark, i ask if i can lay down for a sec, I look at him like wow this guy is fuckin tiring me out big time !  
 He looks at me with an attitude like how i dare i not be capable of staying in a plank pose on top him with one arm holdin me up one arm playing with him, God forbid i ask him to move like at all.  

 
I lay down for sec to rest my burning trap muscles from hovering over the guy, jerkin suckin massagin 47 min with out stopping, and still no luck no cum shot he is still overly hard . Now i ask him to massage me for a while let me rest my arms and neck for a 5 minutes,  
    His dick goes down, He looks at me like its my fault and says he cant cum if he feels rushed. ???????

 

but wait? I just blew you slow and sensual then fast and rigorous , mixed it up, for close to 50 min with out a break? interchangably caressing the butt cheeks and chest and face, kissing him head to toe, some body to body massage whilst holding my pregnant ass up over him {mind you I have an extra 25 lbs on my at this time so it was a double work out}

 

 

 I look at the limp dick that went down in less than 2 secs. of me changing position from bj to lay down for a min, Most clients know how to do some the work too so no one is feelings sharp muscles pain durin the hour, hovering over a dick for 50 min and suckin with no breaks, Thats not fun! and it was offered for 250 not 350, because i usually do a legit thai massage the first 45 min with a nice end, This guy didnt want a massage so he basically just wanted a pse bbj but didnt wanna pay my 350 rate so he books a massage to get 100 off .........How generous and thoughtful right?

 

 

 

   So it is now ten min off I tryed for 50 min straight and my fore arms are like fuckin jello now, I didnt do any appts before him that day, or days before him so he really got my full energy......I had to give.

 

 

   i say ok hunee its almost time to go, I dont know what to do for you? I definitly couldnt move my arms or neck at this point. I did some pretty hard and fast moves and for long periods of time to try and get guy off but still 50 min later not even the first cup yet, We are usually onto cup 2.

 

   I say i dont know what you want me to do for you sweetie? i tapped out my arms wont work any more at this point, I guess i couldve still carressed him while he jerked off i put in my strength i am capable of and now was in pain.  

 

            he looks at me and says well if you let me lay back down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe i can,..

 

 

 

 

I am like wow this guy is helpless. I dont think i am the one with the issue here yet i caught the brunt of it, he ends up not bein able to get off. he got his full hour, He gives me the biggest attitude like its my fault, not grateful he just gave me the charlie horse of my life time award .

 

 

   i then had 2 more customers that weekend that paid 500 for 2 hour dates, Neither came close to wanting me to jerk/bbj with out breaks while they laid there on thier back, and certainly if a lady says she is crampin up, Dont look at her like she is an alien then crack a fuckin attitude,

 

                  It shouldnt be about tryin to push some one to the point thier muscles give out and cry uncle, if you know you have erectile dysfunction, or you just know it aint gonna happen,  

 

  I know for me i dont offer a service that says come abuse me til I feel pain. It shouldnt be like that and they shouldnt expect us to go til we tap out, It should be both people havin fun no one should be hurt,.

 

But very rarely, VERY RARELY.. thankfully!!!!!!!

 
I have experienced the very abusive selfish customers and they will actually give you a dirty look for tappin out, They forget we dont have huge forearms and backs like them we are women, We should nt be expected to go past the point of getting pains in our muscles. But some guys I find the ones that have treated me like that and were super super draining and then act un grateful after.....

 

 
                     I have found those customers to be not common occurance. Most are , at least i would say 97 percent, No 94 percent are not the lay on thier back hands folded behind head types.  

 
They are good at doin a tad bit of the work too so not one partner is gonna be in pain or tappin out,  

sex should be fun , appts should be fun, and no thats not a service we offer, come over be inconsiderate, dont pay attention to fact the provider is  nnot a machine she actually has a spinal cords and muscle fibers and is a living breathing person,  

 
But this field attracts sociopaths and serial killers and women haters or guys with e.d. that will just feel less than, then will turn around and instead get angry at the provider then a bad review will follow.... like its her fault.

 
 i know for me I know how to get myself off and i dont need any one to break a sweat for me I know whaT PELVIC MOVES WORK DURIN SEX OR HADN PLAY OR TOY PLAY, iTS NOT SOME ENIGMA FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT FOR 60 MINS AND STILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AFTER 55 MINS OF SOME ONE BREAKIN THIER NECK, iF PEOPLE ARE NOT IN TUNE WITH THIER BODY AND SENSUALITY, YOU CAN TELL IT SHOWS IN THE APPT,  

 

 But i agree with you.. Luckily my experience with customers that are rude has been infrequent, i think to a certain extent just being insensitive to some one who is communicating thier fore arms are startin to sting can we do another activity and be creative ?

 
I dont think its fair to arrive and expect super human powers, I know for me i weight lift, I have 15 lb dumbells! i been in sports whole life, if my stamina isnt good enough for them and strength , then the problem clearly is not with me, I have probly i d say way more arm and back and over all stamina in the sack strength than most women, Hell look at my pics from last july i am and was jacked, If my degree of stamina isnt good enough, The problem isnt with me its clearly erectile dysfunction and or the guy just is purposely intentionally being mean to get me to feel hurt,......

 
                  I like this post and feel the same, What i offer is my companionship and a good time for both people, Dont come in here and cop a tude when i ask for a rest for second or get mad I cant jack hammer your dick you cant cum for 60 min, Not my job to get fuckin injured over some asshole that dont know his body or how to get off, we can only do so much, and well if 98 of my customers got off twice or more and in under an hour, YET 2 of them say they still cant at thr 58 min mark,

 
hmm you think I was the issue or it was an issue with my strength or stamina ?  
answer is no it clearly wasnt an issue with MY LEVEL of stamina it was his issue,  
I say the same thing . I agree. Luckily the ones that act like that you usually can figure em out before meetin em, especially if they let you read thier reviews, with for me alot the guys wont let me see thier reviews til after, i hate when they do that, I can tell if its a guy I wanna see by his reviews.... But like a few i didnt clash with I coulda called it had they showed me thier alias before booking but they were sneaky and did not......

were model customers, behavior wise, and manners wise,.  

   Luckily the majority of the clients are just like them, On occasion you meet one that does the arms behind head thing, they usually just havent had much experience  or they are mean adn want the escort to get worn out and tired and they will sit back and find it amusing, i think some do it to be hurtful because they just arent nice people is what it comes down too. Not al people are nice people in this world, And many men have big time issues with women and we are the lowest hangin fruit they can get to for abuse.  
 Talk about a fun invigorating appt, mr fisher and i niki are the kinda clients you get more energy from meeting with, they participate, and are funny and nice and generous,  

 
  and nice in the reviews to the ladies too.. they seem easy to please. unlike some guys, I see a guy that complains and is just finicky in his reviews i stay away, I like the kinda guys that just are happy to meet women , and just enjoy women, you can tell the ones that are plain old women haters in the reviews.  

 
there is one that wanted to meet with me this week i read his reviews and realized its a drama waitin to happen, The only ladies he reviews are 45  or over and all charge 100 on back page and none them look like they take any pride in thier bodies, Not that , thats a bad thing mind you!!!!

 
                        BUT this guy goes to see them and he has 3 reviews of all kinda out a shape milfs, that arent even askin people for much money any how, its like why complain? it aint like they are robbin ya,,,

he still complained in his reviews after a bbj for 100 from a milf, he said her tits looked like baseballs in a sock, and he could barely stomach looking at her...................

 
thing is, you can tell she aint in shape in pics so why go to a lady like this, she is offerin a fair price, at only 200, she clearly knows she isnt pamela anderson, aint like she is robbin him....................

 

then he wails on em in reviews, he even gave one lady a 1......she gave him a bbj but he still scored a 1 and made fun her..........................

 

    I think you know they showed honest pictures, they arent askin for a huge donation, i dont see reason to make fun of people like that, I too . I escorted when i was 155 lbs, had just got out a homeless shelter after prison, i had no clothese or belongings,  

   I wasnt chargin alot,  

I been there, and i dont care for kickin people when they are down, i dont see the joy in it, especially if the lady is givin huge discount and realizes she isnt a beauty queen, its like cut the ho's some slack brothas.

 
                i seen that guys reviews and it just made me feel really bad for the women he was havin suck his dick then makin fun of em, I been there I been that fat chic with no nice clothes on back page struggling, and well, had any one came and ripped into me and given me a 1 as a score when i was in those womens shoes, I d have gotten right back to ashelter and wouldnt have been able to stay in a fancy hotel for a month, and save for a kick ass apartment like i did,  

 
                    I guess just I mean if a lady has honest picture and you see she aint a fitness instructor, then she is offerin a cheap rate, why make fun her ?

I hate that crap. but thats how some guys are and i sure as fuck dont want to service ones like that,

 
i just hate the guys that dont let you see thier alias, thier alias shows what a dink they are cuz they review wicked mean...

 
I am not a kiss ass, and i hate abusive men, some women will cower in thier presence and put up with it, cuz they wereabused too in thier lives, not me, They aint gonna have a good time with me!

Those that don't get it, never will, be they clients or providers. Fuck 'em, the rest of us will continue to have great fun!

I can imagine the uneasy feeling of opening the door for the client you described.  

Conversely, I know ladies don't have the same desire for sex with clients so I adjust expectations accordingly. For me, a good experience is ruined when  I get an "O" from her in 2-3 minutes or she does not properly prepare for her PAID time.  

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as in, don't pull the driver when the shot calls for a 5-iron.

GFE/PSE/Freaky/BNG - it's all good, as long as you select the right club for the job.

Golf is my second favorite participant sport after hobbying. Leave aside the obvious puns (putters, balls, holes) and consider the object of both sports: pleasure from physical activity, and a brief mental vacation from life.

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Yes, there are those times when it doesn't work out and you get fake grunts or nothing at all. On the other hand I spend a fair amount of time researching (probably too much time) trying to find ladies that I think will be compatible based on reviews, etc. The part you can't predict is whether you'll connect but if you do, it's Magic.  

Personally I really enjoy helping a beautiful woman orgasm. This is truly a big part of my getting off. Fake O's don't do it for me and despite all the research in the world, it sometimes comes down to the simple connection you have. The time we spend during our initial conversation helps to develop this.  

I've spent a lot and I've spent little and ya never quite know until you walk in the door. These days I'm spending most of my time (and money) on my new ATF, who is UTR and only has 3 clients. She's not a pro and has been upfront that she's going to stop once she pays off a big bill she's working on. But in the meantime, we are both enjoying our time together.  

Yes, I realize this is PFP and some will ridicule me but it's my time and money so will spend both as I like.

I'm convinced I've experienced a few real female orgasms during a session (I'm told I'm pretty good at eating pussy, classic overcompensation I suppose). And, I've experienced fake orgasms from ladies. I appreciated the ladies that faked it, because they were doing so to enhance my experience.  

Lets be real, it's an act we are paying for, and the good providers are excellent actresses.

I'm very confident in who I am. I'm also very aware that I'm below average in looks. That's perfectly fine, if we were all good looking then none of us would be. I work with math every day, but for those of you who don't, the law of averages suggests that in order for there to be above average objects, there must be below average objects.

In real life, I would be invisible to the women I've had the pleasure of seeing in this wonderful hobby. But I've got a good friend in Benjamin, and he's very popular with the ladies. And so, I get to spend time with beautiful, sexy and talented women.  

The best part though is after I'm spent, she or I leave, that's fucking perfect. I don't have to listen to the "I can't believe Ashley wore that outfit to the office today, she looked liked such a slut". Well guess what? I like Ashley already, I adore sluts, they are unquestionably my favorite people. Nothing gets my attention quicker than a woman rocking a miniskirt or dress in high heels.

And, the women I see don't have to listen to how the Browns, or Indians are doing or how well I did or didn't play golf that day. They don't have to cook or clean for me or after me.

It's a fucking win/win for both parties, my envelope is always correct for the amount of time I've requested, no negotiation, in fact no discussions of.

When I'm with a lady, I ask if she'd like me to go down on her, I don't assume it. I enjoy eating pussy, but not all ladies I've been with are interested in receiving. And that's fine, as long as I get mine its a beneficial relationship for the both of us. If she lets me daty it could be a bonus plan for her, and I enjoy it too.

So ladies, if you see me, I'll appreciate you faking it, if you're so inclined. In the end, its an act, be a good actress and I'll be a good client. Win/Win.

and connection.
If she "gets" what is getting me going - it's great.
And I try to be attentitive to her too (within reason of course, as I am the one paying for the pleasure here).

But if we don't connect, the alphabet soup of positions we go through doesn't add up to nearly as much.
I like having a great time with a real lady - not just a glorified blowup doll.

This may belong on a humor board, but this thread reminded me of these Rules- for the ladies:

Rules for Ladies Bedroom Golf:  
1.) Each player shall furnish his own equipment for play. (Normally one club and two balls).
2.) Play on a course must be approved by the owner of the hole.  
3.) Unlike outdoor golf, the object is to get the club in the hole and keep the balls out of the hole.  
4.) For most effective play, the club should have a firm shaft. Course owners are permitted to check shaft stiffness before play begins.  
5.) Course owners reserve the right to restrict the length of the club so as to avoid damage to the hole.  
6.) The object of the game is to make as many strokes as necessary until the course owner of the hole is satisfied that play is complete. Failure to do so may result in being denied permission to play the course again.  
7.) It is considered bad form to begin playing the hole immediately upon arrival of the course. The experienced player is expected to take sufficient time to admire the entire course, with special attention to well formed bunkers.  
8.) Players are cautioned not to mention other courses they have played, or are currently playing, to the owner of the course they are playing. Owners of the course have been known to damage a player's equipment for this reason.  
9.) Players are encouraged to have proper rain gear along.  
10.) Players should assure themselves that their match has been properly scheduled, particularly when a new course is being played for the first time. Previous players have been known to become irate if they discover someone else playing what they consider to be a private course.  
11.) Players should not assume that a course is in shape for play at all times. Some players may be embarrassed if they find the course to be temporarily under repair. Players are advised to use caution; many players will prefer to find alternate means of play when this is the case.  
12.) Players are strongly advised to obtain the course owner's permission before attempting to play the back nine.  
13.) Slow play is encouraged! However, players should be prepared to proceed at a quicker pace, at least temporarily, at the course owner's request.  
14.) It is considered outstanding performance, time and ability permitting, to play the same hole more than one time in one match.  
15.) The course owner shall be the sole judge of who is the best player.

owever, recently I went back and forth with a potential client, who first didn't want me to know his name, then didn't want to give me any references. We texted back and forth for days, and I have to add that he liked to contact me at 6am in the morning. Arrrrr (should have been my first clue)

So then we went back and forth on what day, Me "how about tomorrow?" Him: "no tomorrow wont work", Me "the day after?" Him "...no not then either", Me "OK when will work best for you?"  Him " I don't know I will have to check my schedule". Comes back with 6:00AM for 1/2 hour. OMFG! REALLY?  

 That is when I came to the conclusion this guy was demanding and hard to please, and was going to be a nightmare client. So I passed on seeing him.

So don't take it personally. It's ​NOT ABOUT WE​ ​"​​the provider" ​getting off, its about you ​(the client) ​getting off. However if you
​just ​lay there like a cold ​dead ​fish, you make ​our ​job that much more difficult.  Just a little interaction is appreciated.

​Don't be afraid to use your words and let us know what you want. ​If you want a bj, don't push my head down, just ask for one. Tell me how you like it, fast, slow, sloppy, wet?  

The whole button pushing, vaginal manipulation, trying to find our G-spot is somewhat off putting and confusing. If you really don't know what your doing then don't do it.  My point is try being interactive and responsive. If you like something say so, if you don't say that too.  ​We will get off the more you get off.


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Very well put lazyboymt, your the perfect date,  its a mutual feeling on your outlook

"So don't take it personally. It's ​NOT ABOUT WE​ ​"​​the provider" ​getting off, its about you ​(the client) ​getting off."

YES! this must be repeated over and over "until the the cows come home."

 
However, PLEASE don't ask " How do you want me"? Like I'm ordering off of a menu. It  definitely becomes less interactive when I hear that.

I don't put any pressure on the lady to cum.
On the other hand, I'm also not so negative that I think it can't happen.
I treat this like any date, and the more we connect, the more likely we both are to have a good time.

I also don't want her to feel TOO much pressure to make me cum (particularly for round two, where I can last a long time - sometimes it's just not meant to be).

I just enjoy meeting someone new and letting things organically flow.  Every lady is different, so every date is a little different too.  I definitely do tell ladies what positions I like etc., but I also get turned on by ladies who are clearly enjoying themselves too and even telling me what they like.  If I just went into a date with a checklist of positions and activities it wouldn't be nearly as fun, it's nice to have some organic flow to things.

Hope you can avoid the cold dead fish this year Megan.

Oh, and I like mine slow, wet, with lots of suction, and with most of the attention to the shaft (my head gets extremely sensitive).  :o