That's what I thought.  It's very likely that the "friend" never exists.  It might be just him.  It's a very common phenomena on the internet forum.  Whenever somebody said a story of his friend and asked for suggestions,  and he knew too much details of the story, it's very likely that he is the "friend".  

I love people and animals. For this thing (not human) to  apologize to me means nothing. I don't talk back to my trash, but rest assure what him and his friend did is noted. I let it be known, let him try to book a provider.

And if they really put in the effort they could probably track him through the IP address he used.  
       It might also be felony theft depending on the state limits.  
                Good luck. Not a game I d want to chance.  

Interestingly, it appears you both like young, black women and you seem to know an awful lot about how often he's done this.  

and that it is a felony in his state to make such a recording (It is in mine and many others.), and ends up in jail for about a year to think things over.

You want to fuck with me and think that because this line of work is illegal you can scam me or run away because I wouldn't go to the cops, think again.  HA! I'll disactivate my account for a few days, take my website down etc, my pictures, Roxanne Heart will go missing, become a ghost. Guess who would surface....a beloved member of her community, an IVY league scholar, an animal lover and advocate, the girl next door that lives in a nice area and bakes cookies for new neighbors, a girl who volunteers and donates to her local animal shelter and food bank, a girl who walks around looking ordinary, a girl that had several of her poems published,an ex-teacher that taught the ABCS, a mentor that made sure that a date rape victim got help and brought the guy to justice.  

he scammed that girl and now with all this input he doesn't know where to stick his head. Ha it's laughable I could feel the sweat rolling down his forehead all he could say is what he thinks and gives example of stupid scenerios. If I'm a filthy animal what is he? I couldn't feed him to my dogs, even if I wanted to, they would probably bite me from giving them garbage.

Okay so the girl was naive, didn't do her research fine, but just because this is underground doesn't mean there isn't or shouldn't be a form of protection. At the end of the day it's wrong, the girl had to learn the hard way but what morons like this man have to understand is that maybe with that chick he got lucky but with the next he won't. It irks me that some people like this man think that because we can't go to the cops that we are powerless.  

That this is neither a friend nor an incident that has already occurred, but rather a guy who wanted to pull that stunt and test the waters first to see what consequences could follow if he took those 'precautions'. Of course, that may be just my own wishful thinking. I hope he is adequately deterred.

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Forget about the immoral part for a moment, let's see how many stupid things he's done.
1) He gave her a shorted gift card that provides a trail of breadcrumbs leading back to his door.
2) He comes here for advice in a way that makes it obvious he's the actual offender.
3) Worse still, he does it using his handle, with his reviews attached.
4) Once flamed, he gets all defensive and proves he's the guilty party beyond a shadow of a doubt.
5) Once he's read all the responses he's learned all the mistakes he's made but he's too dumb to pull his own post to bring the entire thread down.
6) And now it's too late.  Anyone who wants to go after this guy can do it.  So this makes Six Degrees of Stupid but I bet there are more.
Anyone else care to add to the list?
The good news is this fuck-head must really be shitting bricks now.  And that makes me One Happy Ho!

There's no way he can go to the cops. He'd get in trouble for jaywalking

"My 4th grade teacher once said to me never mess with a person you don't know, because you never know to what extent that person will go to bring you down. You don't truly know if that person is sane or suffering from insanity."  

'bop 'em on the head every once in a while. lol.

I doubt there is a friend.  

"Friend"... Yeah right.  

You 'sir' are a moron!

How do you think tricks secretly film their activities?  

STEAL from hookers. And this is not about adultery, it is about the fact he stole from her. Stop being an idiot because you got slammed for having a black hole douche bag of a friend, and now you are coming a close second.

And I agree cash or nothing and if this young girl wants to keep doing this she needs to stand there and count the money.

All these boards came into play to help us protect from scamming girls, who tried to pull a quick one on us. Here we have the opposite of you pulling a quick one on a SB and you are concerned? This is like a man robbing a bank and coming in to ask for help. I suggest, he man up to his scam and call her up and apologize and pay her the fee that they agreed. Please don't come up with any lame excuse to justify your crap.

Ok I got bored with this thread but lemme jump back in on a few things. Someone said I was stupid for posting under my "real" handle. Well why do you think I'd post under my real handle? If you notice my reviews, I haven't participated in the hobby for over a year!! Zero f&cks given! Nor do I intend to hobby again, so who cares??

TPS7c     He's as bad as the thief for hiding him.    Ask his wife or mother.   Maybe they will know who his best friend is.

This was an agreement...  a contract which she fulfilled her part & he did not.  I do not approve of SCAMS in either direction.  Period.  I don't know if she can "do" anything to him...  because contracts for illegal serices are unenforceable...  in court.  But he pulled a dirty trick on her & can expect the same in return.   He needs to find her & pay her the FULL $500 plus she keeps the card & plead insanity.  
 
I know one youngish guy who picked up a gal at a bar.  They drove in her car...  first to the place he worked, to impress her he had an office (& keys to get into the place after hours) & then to his house where she stayed the night.  They had sex.  
In the morning she drove him to the bar to pick up his car & they parted on good terms.  He didn't call her & she charged him with rape.    
The case was prosecuted & was going badly.  It cost him his job & his house & his parents second morgaged theirs.  Lawyers don't come cheap.  Finally convinced the jury that it was a one night stand & not rape because they finially found survailace footage from a neighboring business kising when he picked up his car.   $100K fuck

The new year has certainly started off with a bang.  First Jeff Perv's bullshit, and now this douchebag.  What will be thrown at us in the next few months, I wonder?

Well I'm not married and my mom is dead, so good luck finding my "best friend'. Trolls...

Heather,

Again, I do not condone the actions of my friend here, but to say this is rape is beyond idiotic. She consented to have sex for money, 500. She only received 50 so now she was raped?? She was ripped off, yes, but not raped.

Let's take this a step further. Those sugar baby sites are supposed to be for non-professionals right? It's supposed to be about a non-traditional dating relationship where a man helps out a young girl financially, and at some point they have sex. BUT, the arrangement technically isn't sex for money, right? Otherwise that would be prostitution, which that site says is illegal. So what we have here is two consenting adults having sex, and the guy also agrees to help the girl out financially. But they are not tied together as a contract. Again, that would be illegal and something not allowed by that site. So he did help her financially, but just not as much as he claimed he would. It's still wrong but not on the level some of you are making it seem.

the (recorded) sex and the (unethically shorted) money. How is it different bc it's sex? It's not.  There are plenty of walks of life where the failure to deliver on promises, particularly when it's clearly deliberate, results in harsh judgement and repercussions in or out of a courtroom. I ask you, how is this different bc it's sex? If he made a promise in the mafia, his limbs would be torn off by now.

But it is a completely dishonest and piece of shit thing to do. Period. No matter how you justify it.  
      How would you feel if it happened to your mother, daughter or sister?  
       As far as taking our mortality into it you asked the moral question and to be judged. We didn't. Regardless if we are married, seeing married men, married and our wives are ok with seeing escorts. It doesn't matter because I didn't ask for you to judge my actions.  
       Defend it all you want the consensus seems to be its a shit thing to do and I would hope the guy gets outed for it.  

Sounds like you've made your choice, and will continue to do the same thins over and over again.

Hey 613spades, no offense but I don't think you read very well. You said no one judged me??? Go back and read the posts again - EVERYONE judged me, called me a piece of sh*t, etc.  

Cool, then  ALL the hookers should tell the tricks they will do anything for the money, get the money and stand there fully clothed and recite this...

How many more times do I need to say it: I don't condone what he did at all. I was simply worried about this dude, and what might happen, so I came in here and asked a simple question. I didn't ask for a lecture, but got a million lectures anyway. So then I got snippy back at some people. Then people get mad at me back, for lecturing them after they lectured me. Hence why I feel this forum is filled will freaky lunatics.

you were justifying it. Hey, maybe you're asking because you're going to have your friend read it. Who knows? But in that last comment, you were trying to justify what he did, to make it sound better.

Your apparent lack of intelligence astounds me. I still, not once, have said that I condone not paying this girl the full price they agreed on. What I'm saying, is I personally disagree with the level of seriousness that some people have made it out to be. Look in my reviews - I got ripped off years ago. Was I pissed? Yep. Did I get over it? Yep. Did it ruin my life? Not even close. Some people here are acting like this guy tried to throw her off the top of a building. Again, I fully agree that shorting her the money was not the right thing to do. But this incident is not the worst thing in the world people!!!

verbal vomitus about saying she had no contract with him so too bad?  

Look you silly gorilla, you're out of your mind. Do you honestly think I give a sh*t what any of you tricks or hookers think about me or anything I've said? Oh please get a reality check. I got my ass handed to me? Come on. This is a stupid internet forum about prostitution. If you think I'm losing sleep over what any of you circus freaks think, please try again.  

TERAdmin, the point is I shouldn't have to leave. All I did was ask a simple question, and then got attacked. Ya know, when a provider ripped me off years ago, no one cried me a river. Most people said get over it and move on. and I did. So now I'm supposed to cry a river because this girl was shorted some money.

Your anger just got the better of you and you do give a shit or you would never have kept replying to me or anyone.

WOW.....what a moron, yeah him.......and you.

Look what the hell is a bhd? Big Hairy D*ck? Bad Hair Day? Anyway, why would you think I'm mad at all?? I'm responding to everyone because this is somewhat entertaining at this point.

Let me respond to your deep concerns:

Still take the gorilla comment as a positive thing. I called you a dipshit in order to lighten things for everyone too, so I get where you are coming from...lololol.

I think you meant to burst my bubble re outcalls, right?   Look, I get why you want this protection.  Providers are the most vulnerable in this class of transaction, so you need to do what you feel is necessary.  I respect that.  But hopefully, you can also respect that customers with no ill intent will do what they can to avoid situations that make them feel uncomfortable as well.  That was my original point.  Happy shopping.

Is it any wonder that some ladies want to screen the shit out of guys?

So they can get great clients that fuck em good.

Sorry I got distracted

Roxy,  I understand where you’re coming from.  When we choose to engage in illegal activities, outside protection is limited.  The burden of protection lies much more on one’s self.  You are not powerless, but traditional options are more limited and the options you do have get progressively more risky to life and limb.  Let’s not forget, there are plenty of rip off bitches who take the money and run or have a Gorilla bust in.  You think those Johns can call the cops and say this girl who I thought I was paying for sex with ran off and stole my money?  Part of the reason the ROBs do it is because they know they can exploit this weakness.  They are predators too, preying on naïve johns who didn’t better protect themselves by using tools that are available & researching their providers.
Remember, no matter how big, bad and crazy you are, someone else is even bigger, badder and crazier.  I live in Detroit, one of the most dangerous cities in the world where “going after a motherfucker” is a good way to end up missing.  In this case, escalating the situation over $450 may blowback on the john, but it could also blow back on you even harder.  You never know who you’re dealing with or how far they’ll take it and no amount of money is worth a gunfight or my life.  I prefer to keep both eyes and live to play another day.
It is wrong, but it’s just one of the realities of living in a sometimes cruel and unfair world

"What do you all think?"
       To me that's asking for opinions and ultimately judgement. When the replies came back ripping you or your friend you defended his or your actions. On top of that you started applying your mortality to everyone who replied. I don't recall any of them asking your thoughts on married men who see escorts or escorts who see married men. I m not the one who's high here. Stealing from someone in a settling such as this I would equate to taking money from a collection plate at church or money from a homeless man. Not because providers are poor or destitute but because they are ultimately selling one of the most intimate things a person could sell. I personally find it deplorable and would do anything I could to out the guy if I were the girl. You might think he s safe but did he pay for the hotel room? Dinner w a cc? Drive her to dinner in his car? Maybe she waited to get his plate number when he left or followed him home? Either way it doesn't matter to me. He took complete advantage of someone who didn't deserve it in the slightest and you defended it.  
        Say what ever you like; still an absolute shit thing to do.  

You're a lunatic.

Thank you Alyson, good reading.   Let me restate, that I think what happened to the OP is shitty and is not at all how I behave in this environment, however, nefarious people, and there is no shortage of them, will look for opportunities and go after low hanging fruit and prey on the vulnerable.  We learn to lock our doors, take valuables out of our cars, keep attention on our purses, park in well-lit places, keep good situational awareness, etc., etc.  Criminals are assholes, no doubt, but we learn how to mitigate our risks IRL.  That logic applies even more in this and it sounds like more so in the “sugar” arena.

I'm part of that huge percentage as I give up no info as well.  That's to protect me from BSC.  It was more difficult to break into my first session, but I managed, and I saw respected providers who now provide me with solid references which seems to be all I need at this point.  

It's because you are a piece of shit. Now go away.  

RAPE is a dangerous predator.  

Then why do you continue to come back....you FREAKY LUNATIC.

You continue to claim that you are "OVER" being ripped off in 2010. Not even close, you continue to dwell on it every time you speak.

Enjoy your knock.

Hey Heather, I thought you said you were "Ivy League"?? If you were, you'd know the definition of coercion is the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. The girl was not forced or threatened to do anything. Good day!

made it any clearer...........you are an absolute asshole.  And........you do not even know how warped you are.  Truly, I feel very, very sorry for you.  All the bullshit going on in your life..........and you can not figure out why.

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buckle up, bitch...the ride is gonna be rough

Cooperating with ladies' screening processes has always well for me.  95+% see rate, and a plurality of further visits.  Came back in a negative way:  none in over 11 yrs.

Just a bit of advice...when accepting gift cards, always make sure it's not a Green Dot card and ALWAYS ask for the activation receipt.  I had a gentleman give me a card with no activation receipt.  The appointment didn't happen.  He was warned ahead of time. You can also call the number on the back of the card to verify the funds are there.

What did you expect to happen? You posted about P4P  and shorting them on the cash  on a message board where people P4P and you proceed to defend the person. Did you seriously expect everyone on the board to give you a cookie or a round of applause? I wouldn't go on a message board for Vegans, post something about how roast beef and chicken is delicious and good for you and expect NOT to be attacked, you dumb motherfucker you...

Don't they have a contract?  
There was consideration (relationship in exchange for money)
Both parties have capacity (they weren't drunk, etc when they agreed)
There was offer and acceptance
Legality (like you said, there's nothing illegal about paying for a relationship

I BARELY comment in this board.