Ok so I have a friend who dabbles on one of the sugar baby sites. He likes young black college girls, and apparently there are plenty on those sites. Anyway, he made an arrangement with a girl for 500, which included dinner and then some "play time" at a hotel later. So he gave her a Visa gift card as payment. She asked him why he didn't offer cash, and he said he can deduct the gift card from his taxes, by saying it was an employee gift or something of that nature. She believed him, they had play time at the hotel, and went their separate ways. Well, turns out that he only loaded $50 on the card, not $500 like he agreed to. He's now a little worried about what she could/might do in response. I told him that I think he's safe. She can't claim he raped her (he secretly recorded audio of the consensual sex) because they'd do a rape kit at the hospital which would not show forcible sex. He also used a burner number and anonymous email so she doesn't have any of his real info. I do believe in karma so I told him this isn't a good thing to do, but overall I don't think she can cause any real trouble for him.
What do you all think?
Like really fucked up....smh.....legally I really don't know...but another reason why the sugar dating scene is sketchy to me... Blurs the line between business and personal....unlike escorting there's usually not a known thing of "place my donation in sight " nor do you even know how much especially at first.. its almost like your expected to suck and fuck all day and hope daddy breaks you off with a couple hundred... I'll pass for that very reason...
I know right!!
And people wonder why hookers want some identifying info on a trick.
I am seriously thinking about setting up a camera in the common area of my incall...note I said common area. Also to the outside parking lot. Now before some tricks get all cattywampas about that, there are cameras in and around most common areas of businesses...you really cannot go many places without that these days, so crying foul about your privacy, well falls on my deaf ears I am afraid. You may as well bitch an complain about every department store, gas station, movie theater, your own place of employment...even your local drive though etc. etc.
If, in the event that someone decides to say hurt me or steal I can supply the law with a facial image. I can also send that facial image to every hooker in my area warning them. Yep, tough I know BUT most tricks on here want no identifying info info at all to give to a hooker and some of you have done some pretty shady things that I read about in the last month from forcing BB and theft which was left unreported so the guys are still getting away with that .
Nothing has been put on the local boards about these guys but I tell you, if shit like that ever happened to me, he would be hard pressed to get a date in my area.
I know 4 other hookers who have static incalls and they all have cameras in the common areas and not in the bedroom. If you behave, you get to keep your anonymity, you don't, then that is on you!
The only dangerous thing about me is what I would do if you FUCKED UP. Be nice and you don't have a thing to worry about
None of us know who his "friend" actually is, but every hooker who reads this thread knows who this douche bag is.
what's that sound?
Oh, that's the sound of dozens of women putting the OP on their personal DNS list.
That in some cases eliminates the problem. There are cameras in hotels, so that solves that problem as well.
The successful prostitutes also tend to do multi-hour sessions. Doing your one hour B&G likely attracts the guys who you are complaining about, here and on your Twitter pages.
And you're a brave one behind your monitor to threaten people who will never ever see you. I doubt you are nearly as menacing as you are on here. Let me know how the camera surveillance works when some guy realizes that you're filming him.
Probably as entertaining as when the prostitutes leave their laptops open and video a session. Or the guy who does the same in his hotel room hahahaha
I am seriously thinking about setting up a camera in the common area of my incall...note I said common area. Also to the outside parking lot. Now before some tricks get all cattywampas about that, there are cameras in and around most common areas of businesses...you really cannot go many places without that these days, so crying foul about your privacy, well falls on my deaf ears I am afraid. You may as well bitch an complain about every department store, gas station, movie theater, your own place of employment...even your local drive though etc. etc.
If, in the event that someone decides to say hurt me or steal I can supply the law with a facial image. I can also send that facial image to every hooker in my area warning them. Yep, tough I know BUT most tricks on here want no identifying info info at all to give to a hooker and some of you have done some pretty shady things that I read about in the last month from forcing BB and theft which was left unreported so the guys are still getting away with that .
Nothing has been put on the local boards about these guys but I tell you, if shit like that ever happened to me, he would be hard pressed to get a date in my area.
I know 4 other hookers who have static incalls and they all have cameras in the common areas and not in the bedroom. If you behave, you get to keep your anonymity, you don't, then that is on you!
The only dangerous thing about me is what I would do if you FUCKED UP. Be nice and you don't have a thing to worry about.
Yes for the purpose of protecting yourself I see nothing wrong with the idea. As long as the client behaves there should not be any problems for both parties. OTH if a crime is committed against you you should to be able to fully help LE catch the guilty and prevent further crimes against others.
Agree that the guy mentioned is beneath contempt. Re this camera stuff, I can understand the motivation, but it further validates my decision to NEVER do an incall. I believe you when you say you would only use the footage if the client took an action that warrants it. However, you cannot equate security cams owned by the complex with one owned by the provider. The provider is the only one with the knowledge that the client was there for an illegal activity. That information has power, and there is a risk that some providers will abuse that power. I choose to never take that risk. Thank you for pointing out that camera surveillance by providers is a growing trend. Makes me feel better about my cautious approach to incalls.
How do you think tricks secretly film their activities?
It is not ideal but what other choice does a hooker have if she knows nothing about the guy and is too afraid to even come onto this board and let others know?
BTW, the illegal part is off limits (the bedroom). I seriously do not want myself taped have sex with some old fat dude....COMMON AREAS...and drug deals are done in common areas that have been taped...all I want is identifying iofo should the guy turn out to be a BHDouche.
All the uproar makes me think that those complaining the loudest possibly have something in mind that they do not want filmed.
You all have a nice day..I am going camera shopping.
I think you meant to burst my bubble re outcalls, right? Look, I get why you want this protection. Providers are the most vulnerable in this class of transaction, so you need to do what you feel is necessary. I respect that. But hopefully, you can also respect that customers with no ill intent will do what they can to avoid situations that make them feel uncomfortable as well. That was my original point. Happy shopping.
Fucking asshole
Its guys like that that ruin the industry
Your buddy perpetrated fraud and theft of services. And all you care about is if he'll get into trouble. You believe in karma so it's OK?
You two are the kind of hobbyist that gives them all a bad name.
You suck. Squared.
That's the world we live in. Vultures, then that girl turns into a terrible human being and the cycle of evil will never break. This dude is a winner him and his or whose to say he's not covering it up by saying it's his friend when in fact it's him. Class act let me tell you. Let me know when they both find their balls.
Did he book the room under a fake name too?
She'll be able to find him
When you see him looking like he lost a cage fight
You'll know she got him.
She knows what he Look like and knows what he likes.
It won't be hard to set him up
$450 will earn him a pretty good ass beating
I for one won't have any sympathy vigor hi
Like I said, I don't approve of what he did. But come on, the hotel is not going to give out his information to her. That's just ridiculous.
No, but you said he dabbles on sites and has a type. The SB knows what he looks like. He better avoid SB-hunting on these sites, exchanging pics, arranging meetups, etc. Short grifts are better suited for nomads.
In fact, it is felony.
Hopefully you tricks are on the sex offender registry.
I screen hard for this very reason.
FYI: Filming without consent is a felony.
Zero Fucks Given
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OMG Heather you bird brain, it is certainly not rape. They had consensual sex. Since paying money for sex is illegal, and accepting any money for sex is illegal, they both committed a crime. If I get robbed while in the act of robbing someone else, I can't get that person in trouble without also getting myself in trouble. Ridiculous.
And if they really put in the effort they could probably track him through the IP address he used.
It might also be felony theft depending on the state limits.
Good luck. Not a game I d want to chance.
Yup you're right there is absolutely no way ... He's safe. LOL
I don't subscribe to superstitious or mystical beliefs like religion, astrology, or karma, but I wouldn't feel sorry for your friend if his portapotty flipped over while he was trying to take a dump. Personally, there is very minuscule chance that your friend's sugar baby scam will affect me in any way, but she will tell others about her experience and a new vicious cycle of mistrust will begin. It's assholes like your friend who add to the paranoia, anger, and resentment in the larger realm of P4P. If your friend is an older white male it may not lead to any broader unjustified discrimination, but if your friend is a minority and/or young guy then I hope he realizes he just made it more difficult for the rest of us. Next time you see him give him a nice uppercut in the taint using some brass knuckles.
the I have a friend line. A little too matter of fact not
telling "his friend" he's a total prick. I pick my friends
like I'd pick a lover. Rule 1. Trust; Rule 2. Honesty; and
Rule 3. I'm not embarrassed to say he's my friend, even
behind closed doors.
Now, to ADMIT he's your friend ... I'm guessing you really
don't know what that means.
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The world is full of people like your friend, who will use tricks to get what they want, regardless of the damage they cause (case in point that asshole who jacked up the price of a generic drug by 5000%, but I digress...)
I do not wish ill on people, but am willing to make an exception in his case...
It's men like that make this line of work annoying.... What a F-ing Cheat ass POS!!! But on a lighter note, her "life lessons IQ" just went up 50points... Woman talk so he's probably not going to get another date from that site.... Karma will get him!!!
If that was me I wouldn't have accepted the gift card but that's not here or there. Just because your friend video taped her going to the bedroom doesn't mean he did something she didn't approve of. My guess is if she digs hard enough she will find him.
Quickest way is from the hotel
Was it a dive cash hotel. She could have taken a picture of his car when he wasn't looking. License plate cars in wife's name even better.
Sugar Babies from what I have seen have no shame. She can take some new pictures from a different angle. Seduce him and than black mail him when she finds him.
Tell him to do the right thing find the girl and give her the 500 in cash.
This is fucked up on so many levels.
How did you feel after this?
What do I think?
I think you should out you friends info just like you outed the girl who scammed you.
I think your friend is a dick and I think the two of you are pathetic.
You asked.
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Thief..........Always believe that when you commit a wrong it will come back to you one day. One day she might find him and he will wake up in a jam. All too many ways to get even. Ten off the top of my head. He better be aware. He can be found. If she reads your discussion she might use you to get even with him. She might think your talking about yourself. Advise him to give her back the money.
Half of you goons, or more, are cheating on your wives or s.o with providers, spending money on providers that should be spent on your kids, etc. And you providers who chimed in - some or all of you have slept with married men, been a part in wrecking homes, etc. Paaaaleeease - this crowd is the last that should be crying about the moral high road. Utter ridiculousness...
You got dumped on by everyone. For good reason. And you didn't like it. So you come back and point fingers? Pathetic. Sure, some here are cheaters. But at least they're not amoral thieves. You are the one who's ridiculous.
So sorry you're all butt hurt. No, I'm glad.
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she consented to $500
It's predatory and a rapist.
Email is traceable. Burners are traceable. The gift card is traceable.
And then there's the surveillance cameras/videos.
It has been done and prosecuted. More than once.
Enjoy your knock.
What a sociopath
Heather are you that dumb? Prostitution, which is what a sugar daddy relationship is, is illegal. What is she gonna do, call the cops and say he agreed to have sex for $500 but only got $50. She would get arrested for prostitution. Idiots on this site.
report you and have.
Shit has changed, my friend. Shit has changed.
Enjoy your knock
You want to fuck with me and think that because this line of work is illegal you can scam me or run away because I wouldn't go to the cops, think again. HA! I'll disactivate my account for a few days, take my website down etc, my pictures, Roxanne Heart will go missing, become a ghost. Guess who would surface....a beloved member of her community, an IVY league scholar, an animal lover and advocate, the girl next door that lives in a nice area and bakes cookies for new neighbors, a girl who volunteers and donates to her local animal shelter and food bank, a girl who walks around looking ordinary, a girl that had several of her poems published,an ex-teacher that taught the ABCS, a mentor that made sure that a date rape victim got help and brought the guy to justice.
So tell me, what would prevent me from saying you raped me or what would prevent me from saying you went into my house and stole or mugged me in the parking lot? Nothing! As you are in the back of the police car saying Roxanne, I'm over here laughing saying Roxanne who! The beauty of the hobby is , that you don't know providers and/or hobbyist from a hole in the wall. The same way you don't know who that girl was or what she's involved in.
So once again enlighten me on how I can not go to the cops, even better with my track record tell me why anyone would doubt the words of (in society's eyes) a sweet innocent girl like me vs. a monster that most likely has nothing to show, no money (obviously)a man that most likely isn't a member/participant of anything.Who would the cops believe sweetie? what could you possibly tell them without looking stupid or crazy. You think I'm not the bitch that would wear makeup to make me look pale and fragile or the bitch that wouldn't lose weight to symbolize how much hurt you caused. Ha, don't fuck around, you don't know what some people are capable of. Stop that non sense that no one on here could go to the police because this is illegal. There are ways around everything, there are loop holes everywhere didn't OJ teach you that? And if I'm in your eyes already criminal then don't fuck with the criminal mind.
My 4th grade teacher once said to me never mess with a person you don't know, because you never know to what extent that person will go to bring you down. You don't truly know if that person is sane or suffering from insanity
"My 4th grade teacher once said to me never mess with a person you don't know, because you never know to what extent that person will go to bring you down. You don't truly know if that person is sane or suffering from insanity."
Perfect. This is how I feel when people fuck with me too.
on the wrist and him what will he get? At the end of the day you don't know how people react. Some people will take out their own eye to see someone else blind.
As far as people being stupid on the site yep you are the perfect example, instead of being smart and writing this under an alias you wrote it with your account showing the reviews you written and the state in which you hobby in. You think people will buy that bullshit story that it was your friend. I don't think I'm the only one that thinks it was you! Why else be so concern and defensive?
she can give him much more grief.........than LE ever could. Wish I was a woman........and a provider he did this too.........he would not know what hit him..........after tracing the gift card, and getting ALL his private info.........not only would his wife, kids, mother, employer, neighbors, learn some very interesting information about him..........but, being an IT person.........payback would be something he would remember and regret for quite a long time.
Don't YOU preach morality.........fool.........when a person agrees to ANYTHING and they do not come through........they are the lowest of the low.........even more so when it is premeditated.
There's no way he can go to the cops. He'd get in trouble for jaywalking
Heather,
The event described in the OP is unethical and assholeish but it is in no way rape. Telling a lie to have sex with someone isn't a nice thing to do but it isn't rape.
If I was to go on a dating site and represent myself as single and meet someone and we have sex with a woman who would never knowingly have sex with a married man, I have lied to her and deceived her but I haven't raped her.
A cop friend of mine had to deal with something like this a while ago. A woman went and filed a police report for rape and in the process of interviewing her she said at one point "he didn't even pay me this time". They followed up by asking her if she willing had sex because she was expecting payment, and she said "yes but I revoked the consent when he didn't pay'. At that point my friend said the policy was to arrest both of them for prostitution if she proceeded with the rape report. Obviously she declined at that point.
However he followed up with the guy, there was no intent to arrest him for prostitution but they scared the shit out of him when they knocked on his door
RAPE is a dangerous predator.
Sexual assault amongst like minded predators is the norm here. I get that. You'll still be arrested
Never test how crazy a bitch can truly be
How dare you compare that to what you and your piece of shit friend did, how can you correlate the 2? you dirt bag. Married men could be lying fine and I could be sleeping with married man but guess what both parties are not trying to hurt someone intentionally And I'm sure the men that are married know they are doing wrong and try to make it up to their wives over and over. When I sleep with married man you think I know it? You think they tell us and even if they did I don't know if the wife is into it. I'm into my SO being with other woman it turns me on. So that statement you made is beyond ridiculous the fact that you are sticking up for him and making excuses is beyond ridiculous. What did you think people were going to write? Great job, or wow that's awesome. Come on how stupid could you be.
I have never hurt anyone intentionally, I have never scammed anyone or stole from anyone. The men I see aren't college students in need and I sell NO ONE a fantasy. I'm real. Every hobbyist on here knows that. So there goes your theory.
Men in the hobby should be spending money on their kids according to you, how do you know that girl didn't have kids to feed? What your friend did was take advantage of a naive college kid, that most likely is trying to pay for her schooling. Times are hard what do you think that this girl chose to do this because they were hiring her as a CEO elsewhere ? At least be a grown ass man with Balls and get with someone your own age who will see through that shit. Be a man and own up to it. You are trying to justify what he did? That's sad, how could you see that as right and then you state yeah I told him it was wrong be a stand up guy embarrass him, tell him listen what's her e-mail I'll pay it forward and pay her the 450 guarantee you he would have felt so stupid he probably would have tired to do something.
Susio, aqueroso!
Roxanne you really are a turnip brain, unreal. Who cares if you BELIEVE that no one is intentionally getting hurt when you sleep with married men. The point is that people ARE getting hurt. Wives find out al the time and families are torn apart because of people like you!! it doesn't matter if you intend for those things to happen or not, the fact is that they do happen!
You say times are tough, an that is true. So you think it's right that a man pays for your service when he could be putting that money to use for his family?
My friend may be a part of what is wrong with society, but at least he only did this once. You do it day in and day out, you filthy animal you.
No one here is ever going to have any sympathy for you or your friend - if he even exists. It's not gonna happen. Have some self respect and know when you're beat.
Also, you owe Roxanne a huge apology. She had the guts to tell you the truth
I love people and animals. For this thing (not human) to apologize to me means nothing. I don't talk back to my trash, but rest assure what him and his friend did is noted. I let it be known, let him try to book a provider.
Clearly we can all see that you are the "friend' here. Its also clear that you justify your behavior by saying we are ruining families therefore we get what we deserve by being ripped off by people such as yourself. Who do you think you are, god? The karma fairy or what? Even if you believe that, we all know that your ass is just cheap and you are trying to talk yourself into believing what you did was right when you are nothing but a thief and a liar taking advantage of ladies. I hope one day you do that to the wrong lady and she has a pimp you didn't know about...see how you like that bit of KARMA dude.
You say times are tough, an that is true. So you think it's right that a man pays for your service when he could be putting that money to use for his family?
My friend may be a part of what is wrong with society, but at least he only did this once. You do it day in and day out, you filthy animal you.[/quote
Um it's NOT OUR fault and we aren't hurting marriages. The husband is the one at fault and the one the anger should be directed at. HE made the initial contact. Not our fault LOL. Wrong way of thinking
He's the last person who should be judging.
:-/
Steph
he scammed that girl and now with all this input he doesn't know where to stick his head. Ha it's laughable I could feel the sweat rolling down his forehead all he could say is what he thinks and gives example of stupid scenerios. If I'm a filthy animal what is he? I couldn't feed him to my dogs, even if I wanted to, they would probably bite me from giving them garbage.
I have never hurt anyone intentionally, I have never scammed anyone or stole from anyone. The men I see aren't college students in need and I sell NO ONE a fantasy. I'm real. Every hobbyist on here knows that. So there goes your theory.
Men in the hobby should be spending money on their kids according to you, how do you know that girl didn't have kids to feed? What your friend did was take advantage of a naive college kid, that most likely is trying to pay for her schooling. Times are hard what do you think that this girl chose to do this because they were hiring her as a CEO elsewhere ? At least be a grown ass man with Balls and get with someone your own age who will see through that shit. Be a man and own up to it. You are trying to justify what he did? That's sad, how could you see that as right and then you state yeah I told him it was wrong be a stand up guy embarrass him, tell him listen what's her e-mail I'll pay it forward and pay her the 450 guarantee you he would have felt so stupid he probably would have tired to do something.
Susio, aqueroso!
people lol. Great reasoning. "Everybody sins, so let's sin some more!" lol.
Sweetheart.......you should know..........just as well as we do............that the hobbyist community is not free of assholes.........no more than the rest of the world.
This fool's words more than articulate the kind of person he is.........as regrettable as it may be.........at least providers in his area will be able to read his post and steer clear.
'bop 'em on the head every once in a while. lol.
STEAL from hookers. And this is not about adultery, it is about the fact he stole from her. Stop being an idiot because you got slammed for having a black hole douche bag of a friend, and now you are coming a close second.
I agree with you that the girl will probably not be able to do anything against him. Also if she's that naive to fall for that she's likely a harmless individual. Suck to be her but we (both men and women) ALL have to learned expensive lessons of life along the way. Pretty sure she will never fall for that again...
As for your friend I also agree that karma will catch up to him eventually if he keeps doing it. Now that you know what kind of person he is you may still remain friend with him but just keep in mind that he's NOT to be trusted
Let me just say something to you my friend, Your friends are a reflection of you. Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.
You are worried about what she might do to him instead of telling him that's fucked up, instead of telling him that if she's on a site like that it's because she might need the money. Oh and on top of that the guy recorded everything. Wow! Just wow. That's why some people don't believe in humanity. What kind of man does that to another person. Then we wonder why people are so bitter. You believe in karma but yet your biggest concern is what will happen to him. Wow a vulture indeed.
Tell him not to be afraid of what she might do to him tell him to be afraid of what karma might bring him. Hopefully he doesn't have a wife, a sister, a mother, a daughter or some kind of women in his family because i can promise you he wouldn't like that to happen to any woman he knows
Hey "Roxanne", think about this you nutty girl. You sell your body to men, some of whom are definitely married. You cause unknown harm to marriages, and pain to these women if and when they find out. Now not every guy you see is married, but I bet a lot are. So you have no problem having sex with married guys, helping them to secretly break their marriage vows, and yet you have the nerve to spew all that nonsense you just did? What you do on a daily basis is no worse than what my friend did.
If you feel this way about this world, why are you here? With 5 reviews? Thus you are a total hypocrite and douche bag who doesn't even know when you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
You bet, you this, you think, you that. Give me concrete evidence that everyone or the majority of my clients are married! You can't can you? Fuck you, never in my life did I steal from someone. How dare you? There's no talking to garbage and with that you are dismissed! Whose debating marriage and it's holiness. I can assure you NO ONE gets married thinking they will cheat . Your friend PURPOSELY DID THIS SCAM to someone. How could you compare? HA, I'm probably talking to someone who didn't get pass the 2nd grade.
Hopefully no one does that to a woman in your life, hopefully your daughter, your sister, your mother, your wife will never experience something so terrible not in the lifestyle but in life in general. Wishing that the women in your life don't come across garbage like you and your friend and may they experience true happiness and no one play them.
As far you I wish you nothing but peace and happiness because obviously somewhere in your life the human part of you was ripped out.
Let's leave this idiot be and let the meth continue taking its toll.
You came here asking for opinions about the likelihood that your friend's scam would land him in any trouble. You received honest opinions about your friend's character (or lack thereof) and questions about your own character due to association. You had the option to move along and possibly save some face. However, you had to come back and defend your POS friend by pulling some "throwing stones in glass houses" bullshit moral argument. You sound like a simpleton trying to equate a provider's job to your friends thievery.
There isn't a single person alive that doesn't play some kind of mental gymnastics to get by in life, but it's stupid and insensible to defend any kind of stealing in P4P (e.g. money, time, reputation, etc...). BTW, you never responded to Alyssa's question about your own experience with a scam. Your amazing mental gymnastics in this regard actually make you the hypocrite with the judges handing you a perfect score across the board.
Start looking for new friends because the stinky shit from your friend is starting to rub off on you.
"Friend"... Yeah right.
There isn't a single person alive that doesn't play some kind of mental gymnastics to get by in life, but it's stupid and insensible to defend any kind of stealing in P4P (e.g. money, time, reputation, etc...). BTW, you never responded to Alyssa's question about your own experience with a scam. Your amazing mental gymnastics in this regard actually make you the hypocrite with the judges handing you a perfect score across the board.
Start looking for new friends because the stinky shit from your friend is starting to rub off on you.
Absolutely warped sense of morality........how is that working out for you at your place of employment.......ever wonder why you may never get promoted? How is it working out in your personal life.
No logic involved in your post.........none at all. Sad you do not have the common sense to realize as much.
That same lack of common sense is so deep seated........am confident you are already miserable because of it.
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you can't compare a crime to a personal choice, they aren't the same.
You also can't shame consenting adults. Creating a diversion away from the real facts is just a fallacious argument.
Your friend made an agreement. He then broke that agreement by stealing. He's wrong. Period.
(I'm really happy he didn't do that to me, he should be too.)
You 'sir' are a moron!
That's not the kind of conversation that two guys have.
"Hey, I just scammed my SB - do you think she can do anything to me?"
C'mon.
The fact that the OP then spends so much time justifying what was done ("after all, ho's are immoral criminals") just confirms that he is trying to justify what he did in his own mind.
I rarely call out folks with such obviously fragile psyches.
But this guy is pathetic. And quite possibly dangerous.
I agree that he's mostly free of any legal trouble or run-ins with law enforcement.
But he still has to wake up every morning knowing he's a giant dick head. Unfortunately for the rest of the world. "Being a giant dick head" isn't a punishable offense.
What do you all think?
Anyone who knows how to experience joy, or has tasted what it's like to have joy in being good to others, wouldn't do such a thing. And I'm not talking about pat myself on the back for a fake good deed. I mean real joy, and real goodness.
When someone continually hurts other people, they feel less and less over time. Then wonder why they have urges to feel alive. When they actually attempt to feel alive again, (have feelings, find love, go somewhere and feel happy,) all that comes up is pain and darkness. Lots of pain and misery oozes out when a person like this attempts to feel something good, or peaceful/joyful.
This is why a lot of people harden their hearts and continually do bad things to other people. Because in order to get that kind of ugliness and bitterness out of your heart, you have to start allowing yourself to feel first. Many people miss having feelings, but when they try to feel, nothing but black leaks out and infects them. Most people don't want the headache, so they just keep doing the same things to avoid it.
His punishment/karma is not being able to have real feelings. Until he decides to face who he is, he isn't going to change.
Now the "victim", on the other hand, has hope. To take it as a lesson and grow stronger, and learns how to play the game ethically. Growing the foundation of a successful, honest, and good business takes longer to strike gold, and in the beginning there's a struggle. You get ripped off because you're honest, you get cheated because you don't cheat, you get slandered because you are too open, you get accused because you're too honest, and you get walked on because you give too much of yourself.
But boy, when that foundation is built, watch out! If she decides to learn from things like this, she's going to be the fiercest player in the game, with ethics, compassion, and honesty backing her up. This other guy will still be running in the same circles, not even realizing he's miserable until he allows himself to feel. Then - as I said - his karma will come when all that comes up is black, no matter what he tries to feel.
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As somebody who also dabbled in the SB/SD scene I can agree with you that Karma has already worked such that if indeed she happened to be a truly GREAT person he has just burned his bridge and will FOREVER miss a golden opportunity to have a fabulous connection.
People don't often realize that during their lifetime they will get a few chances at truly great connections. Screw it up and you will regret it for a long time or if not right away one day when you get old and gray you'll kick yourself why you let that big fish got away
that's just fucking stupid, and wrong.
If your friend (and I'd have a difficult time calling an asshole like that a friend), if he can't afford this hobby perhaps he should find another one. Taking advantage of people like that is childish.
If that piece of shit that you call a friend gets his jollies off of doing stupid shit like that, he will get his, karma can be a bitch for people like that
Like I said he's going to get tuned up for the 450 AND for being a dick. Hope you're not with him when it goes down. He will probably hook up with some other hot coed, but she'll let the boys in while he's in the bathroom and he will come to with a major ass kicking and everything will be gone. You'll get the early am call to bring him some clothes and band aids oh and help him make up some stupid story for his wife. Karma.
Think, think, think about your next come back you don't have one do you? Because what everyone is saying is true, isn't it?. You can say what you want but you know in your core everyone is right. Wow, the amount of garbage there is in the world is ridiculous, and on top of that you are a hobbyist. YIKES!! that's scary!
I thought you dismissed me?? That's why I didn't write back. As I mentioned I NEVER condoned what my friend did at all. I was simply asking what sort of trouble might be lurking for him. Then you went on some morale tirade, which I found to be hysterical considering you're in the line of work that can wreck a person's home. Good night you silly little banana.
"My wife hacked my account... Shit!"
xx
Yes, if the OP's story actually happened, that's pretty shitty and karma will circle around at some point, but at the end of the day, we all know, this is an illegal, underground business. This kind of shit comes with the territory. You better have some fucking brains or be a quick learner. or you'll get swallowed up. We know even in the legal world, weaknesses are identified and exploited daily, usually with little recourse.
#1) Whining about the money on this one is like calling the cops because someone stole your weed. Your weed gets stolen, you suck it up, put your big girl panties on and figure out how not to let that shit happen next time. Sure the thief is a thief, but you were selling weed... BTW, who the fuck accepts gift cards as payment from a first time client? How many of you experienced girls accept gift cards as payment at all? how many of you will accept them after hearing this???
Crickets.
#2) Does not sound like said co-ed sugar baby did much screening, cause if she did, she'd either have some info on him or at least would have had a heads up the guy might be sketchy so she could insist on cash if even see him at all.
So in the end, the chick got duped for $450 by not taking cash and most likely not properly screening. For her that's a cheap cold, cold world lesson she won't soon forget.
Okay so the girl was naive, didn't do her research fine, but just because this is underground doesn't mean there isn't or shouldn't be a form of protection. At the end of the day it's wrong, the girl had to learn the hard way but what morons like this man have to understand is that maybe with that chick he got lucky but with the next he won't. It irks me that some people like this man think that because we can't go to the cops that we are powerless.
I'm border line crazy, you think that the fact that this is illegal will stop be from going after a motherf*cker, oooh I would love for someone to try that shit with me. The fact that what we do is illegal shouldn't be anyone's ammo to try to scam others, especially young girls. I for one don't care, like I said something very off about me. The same way I'm this amazing person is the same switch I have to become a reckless c*nt if crossed. I'm one of those that will take my own eye out to see you blind.
You are right that us experienced girls wouldn't do that but guess what how many times did I have to fall to learn that. Wisdom is the result of experience no doubt but at the end of the day why should many have to go through situations like this in order to learn something. It's not right at any level illegal or not.
Roxy, I understand where you’re coming from. When we choose to engage in illegal activities, outside protection is limited. The burden of protection lies much more on one’s self. You are not powerless, but traditional options are more limited and the options you do have get progressively more risky to life and limb. Let’s not forget, there are plenty of rip off bitches who take the money and run or have a Gorilla bust in. You think those Johns can call the cops and say this girl who I thought I was paying for sex with ran off and stole my money? Part of the reason the ROBs do it is because they know they can exploit this weakness. They are predators too, preying on naïve johns who didn’t better protect themselves by using tools that are available & researching their providers.
Remember, no matter how big, bad and crazy you are, someone else is even bigger, badder and crazier. I live in Detroit, one of the most dangerous cities in the world where “going after a motherfucker” is a good way to end up missing. In this case, escalating the situation over $450 may blowback on the john, but it could also blow back on you even harder. You never know who you’re dealing with or how far they’ll take it and no amount of money is worth a gunfight or my life. I prefer to keep both eyes and live to play another day.
It is wrong, but it’s just one of the realities of living in a sometimes cruel and unfair world
And I agree cash or nothing and if this young girl wants to keep doing this she needs to stand there and count the money.
Also you mention getting some info on him....hard when a huge percentage of tricks keep saying give nothing up...use a fake name, burner phone anonymous email account.
I'm part of that huge percentage as I give up no info as well. That's to protect me from BSC. It was more difficult to break into my first session, but I managed, and I saw respected providers who now provide me with solid references which seems to be all I need at this point.
Anyway, by info, I meant references from other girls. If no references then she should have either declined the agreement or insisted on more info.
so concern? and why else would he take it so offensive and be on the defense? I think it was most likely him that did that sh*t and is now shitting bricks not knowing what's going to happen. His latest reviews were over a year ago and the last 2 providers were Afro-American. He's probably on a sugar site because he can't afford a provider hence the scamming.
That's what I thought. It's very likely that the "friend" never exists. It might be just him. It's a very common phenomena on the internet forum. Whenever somebody said a story of his friend and asked for suggestions, and he knew too much details of the story, it's very likely that he is the "friend".
I hope the OP is scared. He better be. The SB probably has a brother who has plenty of friends.
Screwing with a young lady like that is disgusting.
Better watch over your shoulder, mate!
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!"
"birds of a feather, flock together?" You are just as pathetic as he is........and you both will get yours!
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Who's to say whether she can or will retaliate, but we can always hope.
What I think is that someone needs to kick your friend's (your) ass, plus take the 450 bucks, (plus extra for pain and suffering, and punative damage) rightfully owed to this girl. Douchebags!!
What do you all think
Interestingly, it appears you both like young, black women and you seem to know an awful lot about how often he's done this.
If I were your "friend," I'd call the girl up and offer to meet with her to give her the additional $450 that you...I mean your friend...owes her. After that, all you can really do is pray that she doesn't expose your "friend" for the rapey pig "he" is.
I doubt there is a friend.
Rapey pig ... The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?
If I were your "friend," I'd call the girl up and offer to meet with her to give her the additional $450 that you...I mean your friend...owes her. After that, all you can really do is pray that she doesn't expose your "friend" for the rapey pig "he" is.
and that it is a felony in his state to make such a recording (It is in mine and many others.), and ends up in jail for about a year to think things over.
That's what I think.
Oh, and also that you are a moron.
Just exactly what were you thinking when you posted this anyways
That this is neither a friend nor an incident that has already occurred, but rather a guy who wanted to pull that stunt and test the waters first to see what consequences could follow if he took those 'precautions'. Of course, that may be just my own wishful thinking. I hope he is adequately deterred.
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Forget about the immoral part for a moment, let's see how many stupid things he's done.
1) He gave her a shorted gift card that provides a trail of breadcrumbs leading back to his door.
2) He comes here for advice in a way that makes it obvious he's the actual offender.
3) Worse still, he does it using his handle, with his reviews attached.
4) Once flamed, he gets all defensive and proves he's the guilty party beyond a shadow of a doubt.
5) Once he's read all the responses he's learned all the mistakes he's made but he's too dumb to pull his own post to bring the entire thread down.
6) And now it's too late. Anyone who wants to go after this guy can do it. So this makes Six Degrees of Stupid but I bet there are more.
Anyone else care to add to the list?
The good news is this fuck-head must really be shitting bricks now. And that makes me One Happy Ho!
Ok I got bored with this thread but lemme jump back in on a few things. Someone said I was stupid for posting under my "real" handle. Well why do you think I'd post under my real handle? If you notice my reviews, I haven't participated in the hobby for over a year!! Zero f&cks given! Nor do I intend to hobby again, so who cares??
Second, my conscious is clear you silly little freaks. Again, zero f*cks given as to whether you believe me or not and think that my friend is really me. Zero.
And finally, I think some of you are seriously delusional and think that the movies are real life. And now back to a rather lovely cup of coffee...
WOW.....what a moron, yeah him.......and you.
1st. Him for shortchanging the girl.
2nd. You for outing someone you call a friend. I bet if he knew you did you would no longer be call a friend.
3rd. You for condoning it and bragging about it.
4th, You for using your true screen name. So what if you don't hobby any longer, You'll never get laid around here again any way.
5th. You disrespect ladies here, Brag that you did hobby and then call ladies home wreckers when you are just as much to blame should your marriage fall apart due to the hobby.
Crawl back under the rock you came from.
Second, my conscious is clear you silly little freaks. Again, zero f*cks given as to whether you believe me or not and think that my friend is really me. Zero.
And finally, I think some of you are seriously delusional and think that the movies are real life. And now back to a rather lovely cup of coffee...
TPS7c He's as bad as the thief for hiding him. Ask his wife or mother. Maybe they will know who his best friend is.
Well I'm not married and my mom is dead, so good luck finding my "best friend'. Trolls...
All these boards came into play to help us protect from scamming girls, who tried to pull a quick one on us. Here we have the opposite of you pulling a quick one on a SB and you are concerned? This is like a man robbing a bank and coming in to ask for help. I suggest, he man up to his scam and call her up and apologize and pay her the fee that they agreed. Please don't come up with any lame excuse to justify your crap.
This was an agreement... a contract which she fulfilled her part & he did not. I do not approve of SCAMS in either direction. Period. I don't know if she can "do" anything to him... because contracts for illegal serices are unenforceable... in court. But he pulled a dirty trick on her & can expect the same in return. He needs to find her & pay her the FULL $500 plus she keeps the card & plead insanity.
I know one youngish guy who picked up a gal at a bar. They drove in her car... first to the place he worked, to impress her he had an office (& keys to get into the place after hours) & then to his house where she stayed the night. They had sex.
In the morning she drove him to the bar to pick up his car & they parted on good terms. He didn't call her & she charged him with rape.
The case was prosecuted & was going badly. It cost him his job & his house & his parents second morgaged theirs. Lawyers don't come cheap. Finally convinced the jury that it was a one night stand & not rape because they finially found survailace footage from a neighboring business kising when he picked up his car. $100K fuck
The new year has certainly started off with a bang. First Jeff Perv's bullshit, and now this douchebag. What will be thrown at us in the next few months, I wonder?
What do you all think?
Again, I do not condone the actions of my friend here, but to say this is rape is beyond idiotic. She consented to have sex for money, 500. She only received 50 so now she was raped?? She was ripped off, yes, but not raped.
How many rap stars promise girls money and cars to get them to sleep with them, and then never give them anything but the boot to the curb? Is that fucked up? Yes. But rape it is not
Let's take this a step further. Those sugar baby sites are supposed to be for non-professionals right? It's supposed to be about a non-traditional dating relationship where a man helps out a young girl financially, and at some point they have sex. BUT, the arrangement technically isn't sex for money, right? Otherwise that would be prostitution, which that site says is illegal. So what we have here is two consenting adults having sex, and the guy also agrees to help the girl out financially. But they are not tied together as a contract. Again, that would be illegal and something not allowed by that site. So he did help her financially, but just not as much as he claimed he would. It's still wrong but not on the level some of you are making it seem.
Situations like that happen all the time in life. People fall short on contracts and job performance doesn't live up to employer expectations. So why is it different just because it's sex?
the (recorded) sex and the (unethically shorted) money. How is it different bc it's sex? It's not. There are plenty of walks of life where the failure to deliver on promises, particularly when it's clearly deliberate, results in harsh judgement and repercussions in or out of a courtroom. I ask you, how is this different bc it's sex? If he made a promise in the mafia, his limbs would be torn off by now.
Sounds like you've made your choice, and will continue to do the same thins over and over again.
Have fun being miserable. You are so skilled at lying to yourself, you can probably even convince yourself that you aren't miserable. 
Even if let's say your "friend" did it, if you didn't bonk him upside the head and tell him he's a piece of shit, something is wrong with you too. lol.
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How many more times do I need to say it: I don't condone what he did at all. I was simply worried about this dude, and what might happen, so I came in here and asked a simple question. I didn't ask for a lecture, but got a million lectures anyway. So then I got snippy back at some people. Then people get mad at me back, for lecturing them after they lectured me. Hence why I feel this forum is filled will freaky lunatics.
you were justifying it. Hey, maybe you're asking because you're going to have your friend read it. Who knows? But in that last comment, you were trying to justify what he did, to make it sound better.
In my first response to the OP, I was pretty much telling you there is no hope for your friend unless he decides he wants to change. And then after he decides, he has to go through the very severe pain of changing. Many people don't want to go through the pain of changing, especially when it's something where you have to admit that you had a heartless soul, and would hurt someone who is easy pray and an easy victim. (Desperation.)
And I know your friend knew this girl was in a situation where she couldn't defend herself financially. He also took a desperate person in a vulnerable position, and disarmed her even more. Making her more desperate and feeling even more vulnerable. So he did not equip her in anyway. Admitting something like that is not easy to admit.
An even harder thing to admit is he ain't no Sugar Daddy. He's a splenda Daddy. LOL
So really what I have to say to your friend is, "if you think you're so cool and tough, pick on someone your own size."
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Then why do you continue to come back....you FREAKY LUNATIC.
Cool, then ALL the hookers should tell the tricks they will do anything for the money, get the money and stand there fully clothed and recite this...
"I am not tied into a contract, tps7c said so, so if you have a problem with this arrangement, go see him, he is a fellow hobbyist so it was on his advice I am now running my business model".
How well do you think that will go?
I have seen idiots dig a hole before but you're reaching magma levels with this bullshit.
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Your apparent lack of intelligence astounds me. I still, not once, have said that I condone not paying this girl the full price they agreed on. What I'm saying, is I personally disagree with the level of seriousness that some people have made it out to be. Look in my reviews - I got ripped off years ago. Was I pissed? Yep. Did I get over it? Yep. Did it ruin my life? Not even close. Some people here are acting like this guy tried to throw her off the top of a building. Again, I fully agree that shorting her the money was not the right thing to do. But this incident is not the worst thing in the world people!!!
verbal vomitus about saying she had no contract with him so too bad?
Believe it or not, the more you minimize what happened to her, the more you are condoning what he/you did.
And here you thought a bunch of hookers and tricks on a fuck board were going to clap you on the back and say all sorts of cool things to save your friend/you from retribution...instead you got your ass handed to you. Jokes on you dipshit.
We might be a bunch of freaks but the vast majority of us have some code of ethics...and those that don't usually get what is coming.
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Look you silly gorilla, you're out of your mind. Do you honestly think I give a sh*t what any of you tricks or hookers think about me or anything I've said? Oh please get a reality check. I got my ass handed to me? Come on. This is a stupid internet forum about prostitution. If you think I'm losing sleep over what any of you circus freaks think, please try again.
And I will say this as well. She made the decision to get into this sort of thing, right? She wasn't forced. There are legal ways to earn money, don't you think? So anytime you undertake an illegal activity, you take the risk that you may get scammed, or perhaps it won't work out the way you anticipated. So to cry about getting ripped off when you're involved in something illegal in the first place is just unreal.
They don't make enough coffee in the world to tolerate this forum.
Your anger just got the better of you and you do give a shit or you would never have kept replying to me or anyone.
Then the question begs...why did you report your ripoff in 2010 if it is all part of the ILLEGAL deal? You felt something being ripped off. Most people do and for you to condone, and yes, you condoned it, given the plethora of excuses you have put forth, makes you a hypocrite as well as a BHD.
And I am flattered you compared me to a gorilla, a rather majestic intelligent mammal with awesome musculature...you actually just made my day!.
Look what the hell is a bhd? Big Hairy D*ck? Bad Hair Day? Anyway, why would you think I'm mad at all?? I'm responding to everyone because this is somewhat entertaining at this point.
I reported the ripoff in 2010 because as I already said, I was pissed. Truth be told, I was only pissed because she was hot and I wanted to bang her. But I digress...I got over it very quickly, and my point is that it didn't come close to ruining my life, which is what people are insinuating will happen to this girl. Because of this, she will spiral out of control, drop out of college, and become a mercenary. I'm not saying she should't be upset, or try to collect the money. What I'm simply saying is this just isn't as big a deal as people are making it.
Oh and cut out the nonsense about being called a gorilla, you silly ape. When I use the term gorilla, or silly freaks, or goons, etc., it's in a joking manor. I'm trying to lighten things up here. We're talking about hookers and tricks, not the cure for cancer people!!
Then the question begs...why did you report your ripoff in 2010 if it is all part of the ILLEGAL deal? You felt something being ripped off. Most people do and for you to condone, and yes, you condoned it, given the plethora of excuses you have put forth, makes you a hypocrite as well as a BHD.
Oh and cut out the nonsense about being called a gorilla. when I use the term gorilla, or silly freaks, etc., it's in a joking manor. I'm trying to lighten things up here. We're talking about hookers and tricks, not the cure for cancer people!!
And I am flattered you compared me to a gorilla, a rather majestic intelligent mammal with awesome musculature...you actually just made my day!.
Still take the gorilla comment as a positive thing. I called you a dipshit in order to lighten things for everyone too, so I get where you are coming from...lololol.
I BARELY comment in this board.
You my friend are a racist , ignorant and foul
Shit.
You're a lunatic.
You contacted the girl who ripped you off a couple of times and even has your friend call her to see if she was lying to you...
This girl in question isn't pissed for any other reason then she planned to have this money for something that she did. Illegal or not. Two consenting adults made a decision. If someone doesn't pay up on a legal job, there is court.
Sure your life went on and this girls life will go on, but you are one selfish little shit for thinking the girl who ripped you off owed you, but this guy you talk about with so much passion doesn't owe the money to this girl.
There is some saying that goes like.. When you're the only one that everyone thinks is a jerk, then.. You're the jerk.
We all just want to know you and your friends info so all of us can be sure to rip you off if you or him were to show up. Though I doubt anyone here will let you show up ever again.
I know, I know..
You don't care.
Yet you don't want to leave.
Hey Heather, I thought you said you were "Ivy League"?? If you were, you'd know the definition of coercion is the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. The girl was not forced or threatened to do anything. Good day!
buckle up, bitch...the ride is gonna be rough
made it any clearer...........you are an absolute asshole. And........you do not even know how warped you are. Truly, I feel very, very sorry for you. All the bullshit going on in your life..........and you can not figure out why.
Read your posts again.........it is crystal clear..........why you are experiencing all the crap that you are experiencing in your life. Poor you, really! Ignorance is NOT bliss.........it is torturing you!
Don't they have a contract?
There was consideration (relationship in exchange for money)
Both parties have capacity (they weren't drunk, etc when they agreed)
There was offer and acceptance
Legality (like you said, there's nothing illegal about paying for a relationship
But it is a completely dishonest and piece of shit thing to do. Period. No matter how you justify it.
How would you feel if it happened to your mother, daughter or sister?
As far as taking our mortality into it you asked the moral question and to be judged. We didn't. Regardless if we are married, seeing married men, married and our wives are ok with seeing escorts. It doesn't matter because I didn't ask for you to judge my actions.
Defend it all you want the consensus seems to be its a shit thing to do and I would hope the guy gets outed for it.
What do you all think?
Hey 613spades, no offense but I don't think you read very well. You said no one judged me??? Go back and read the posts again - EVERYONE judged me, called me a piece of sh*t, etc.
I came in and simply asked a question. What I got was an earful of nasty comments and judgement. So I then decided to return the favor. No biggie, I can play along
"What do you all think?"
To me that's asking for opinions and ultimately judgement. When the replies came back ripping you or your friend you defended his or your actions. On top of that you started applying your mortality to everyone who replied. I don't recall any of them asking your thoughts on married men who see escorts or escorts who see married men. I m not the one who's high here. Stealing from someone in a settling such as this I would equate to taking money from a collection plate at church or money from a homeless man. Not because providers are poor or destitute but because they are ultimately selling one of the most intimate things a person could sell. I personally find it deplorable and would do anything I could to out the guy if I were the girl. You might think he s safe but did he pay for the hotel room? Dinner w a cc? Drive her to dinner in his car? Maybe she waited to get his plate number when he left or followed him home? Either way it doesn't matter to me. He took complete advantage of someone who didn't deserve it in the slightest and you defended it.
Say what ever you like; still an absolute shit thing to do.
I came in and simply asked a question. What I got was an earful of nasty comments and judgement. So I then decided to return the favor. No biggie, I can play along.
It's because you are a piece of shit. Now go away.
I came in and simply asked a question. What I got was an earful of nasty comments and judgement. So I then decided to return the favor. No biggie, I can play along.
Let me respond to your deep concerns:
1st point - agreed.
2nd point - how did I out him? None of you will ever know who he is. I described what he did, I did not reveal who he is.
3rd. I have always said I don't condone it. One can not brag about something that one did not do. I was simply relaying the facts.
4th. What? Get laid around where? Are you going to purchase a billboard "around here" and have it read: don't have sex with tps7c, whoever he is?
5th. I only disrespected "ladies" when they disrespected me. I only started swinging for the fences after they did. Do you really think I'm going to let them go off on me and not retaliate?
Thanks for joining the discussion pal!
You continue to claim that you are "OVER" being ripped off in 2010. Not even close, you continue to dwell on it every time you speak.
Is it any wonder that some ladies want to screen the shit out of guys?
Sorry I got distracted
Cooperating with ladies' screening processes has always well for me. 95+% see rate, and a plurality of further visits. Came back in a negative way: none in over 11 yrs.
Just a bit of advice...when accepting gift cards, always make sure it's not a Green Dot card and ALWAYS ask for the activation receipt. I had a gentleman give me a card with no activation receipt. The appointment didn't happen. He was warned ahead of time. You can also call the number on the back of the card to verify the funds are there.
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