Hey guys.

Family was out of town last week.  I found a girl on CL last Thursday and took the plunge for the first time in 5-6 years with a provider.  Nothing special, CBJ, covered everything, a few kisses, no DATY.

Now I am getting paranoid and reading about STDs that condoms don't help.  What are my odds in getting things like scabies, crabs and Warts?  Can I early treat just to make sure?  Waiting a week or two to find out is killing me.  I just don't want to infect the family in any way.

Thanks.

You should know how the game is played. Whether it’s LE, Non GFE, or STD or and any other acronym you want to throw out there, there is an inherent risk involved in hobbying. If you are going to worry about STD's every time you leave a lady, you will drive yourself crazy. You have taken all the fun out of hobbying and therefore should not do it. Stop immediately and find another recreational activity for your disposable income.  

No one could possibly give you any odds of whether you are infected. If I had to guess, based on using a condom, no DATY, and minimal kissing, I would say your risk is very small.

I have no idea if you can "pre-treat" an STD that may or may not even exist. Ask your local physician.  

It isn't the women you pay that put you more at risk.
It is ALL activities regardless of any transaction!!!

It isn't how ,sweet, smart, how long you know them, or HOW YOU MET.
It is testing and drug using,even snorting or smoking that makes you more at risk or not.
You don't even know what you may already carry and expose the other hobbyists.
You think we don't have SO's to consider?
Why didn't you ask her if she is on any meds for herpes. 4 out of 5 are carrying it in the US. How old was she?
In college?
The younger she was the more at risk she carries HPV.
Yeah, ya should have taken other precautions. Your only worried about her yet, you are a test after guy.
Order BHT and acyclovir from the net.
It can inactivate viruses that you come across.
When I say I have a cold I am always lying. I NEVER get colds.
I get fucked until I can't stand up and try to sound sick on the phone.
I eat right,take antiviral herbs, get rest, everything to fight off any incoming microbes.
That is why I have had several thousand sex partners and no STD. I limited my experiences with women and LIED MY ASS OFF to doctors and clinics claiming to have been exploited to get this treatments you are looking for because of the wild strippers I partied with. Women scare me way more than men as far as being infected.
I could name 45 women with previous  Condaloma infection and Hep C or both.
I will only out them if they are dirty/using.
Dude, seriously, avoid drugs and all drug users and anyone who associates with drug users-of any kind except maybe weed,but I also avoid pill takers.
I don't mean to be a hypocrite,but I never use meds unless I have too. Pills make it hard for me to come and I don't like spending money on them.


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It isn't the women you pay that put you more at risk.
It is ALL activities regardless of any transaction!!!

It isn't how ,sweet, smart, how long you know them, or HOW YOU MET.
It is testing and drug using,even snorting or smoking that makes you more at risk or not.
You don't even know what you may already carry and expose the other hobbyists.
You think we don't have SO's to consider?
Why didn't you ask her if she is on any meds for herpes. 4 out of 5 are carrying it in the US. How old was she?
In college?
The younger she was the more at risk she carries HPV.
Yeah, ya should have taken other precautions. Your only worried about her yet, you are a test after guy.
Order BHT and acyclovir from the net.
It can inactivate viruses that you come across.
When I say I have a cold I am always lying. I NEVER get colds. I get fucked until I can't stand up and try to sound sick on the phone.
Hope that makes it in.

Over the counter treatment, permethrin 1%, for crabs is available if you want early treatment.  Prescription permethrin concentration (5%) will be needed to treat scabies.  No treatment exists for HPV and is usually asymptomatic in males.  Typically a healthy immune system eliminates HPV. Often genital warts if they occur disappear without medical intervention. If not warts are easily removable.

Building model airplanes might be a better hobby.  If you do it in the nude while sniffing the glue, it could be considered fairly safe.

Gabba Gabba Hey!

amputate your dick.  

Flop that sucker up on the table and slam away with that meat cleaver!

... I don't like rude castrators.

Please explain the connection. If you've been with 45 women who've been infected with CI and Hep C, then we need to know who YOU are.

slowly closing in on your day of death.  Enjoy!

Foody, Ana and the rest....

Hold out your pinky finger?  WTF?? LOL

XO
Melanie

The guy asked a serious question.

There's a risk. Believe me, it's probably not as high as you would have had finding an amateur-- or a Street Walker.

I'm sorry to say, though, you are going to have to wait a week or two. So, develop some good excuse for not having sex with your wife till then.

afterwards, its a joke.

If you are so concerned YOU post an answer, lol.  Lighten up, geesh.

Yes it is a serious question.  I would think it prudent to seek a serious fucking professional if you're worried.  Not to ask a bunch of people on a board who aren't MDs to give you solace (OK most of us aren't).

OK damn it, now I feel obligated.  

I read the CDC (Center for Disease Control) website- here ya go http://www.cdc.gov/DiseasesConditions/  That is a wonderful resource.  I read it frequently because I want to be aware of what I may or may not be exposed to.  Good general health (exercising, eating right, not smoking, proper sleep, etc) and good judgement are your best defense.  I think substance use is highly linked to people contracting (and spreading) STDs.  It impairs your judgement and usually your pants.  So I'd be much more worried about that hot little number you got sloppy drunk and humped vs a working girl (well, I should say reputable providers- CL is not exactly packed with those).

No one can give you an exact number for your risk, because there are just too many factors.  There is always going to be some risk invovled- doesn't matter if you're fucking a civie or a pro.

It may help to comfort you that it is in a provider's best interest to be STD free.  Every girl I've gotten to know well, is vehemently protective of their health for a variety of reasons.

If it bothers you this much, I think as others have suggested- you need to find another hobby.

BTW- stress lowers your immunity levels thereby increasing your susceptibility.

XO
Melanie

watching a noob hyperventilate!

There is no substitute for high quality professional advice.

a surprisingly low percentage of hobbyists are tested, and a surprisingly high percentage invent a long list of rationalizations....

Get your ass HepB vaccinated well before you hobby....

Newbie,

    If you had crabs you would see em.  If she had warts you would have seen them too provided you were smart enough to look before you leaped.

Scabies???? I think you get this from not eating
enough vitiman c.

I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Especially since she covered everything.

If you do see another escort, floss and clean your  mouth extra good the night before and do a good mouthwash or peroxide and delicate brush of the teeth the day of. Make sure you get all the
white off your tongue. Don't floss the day of
it will open lil fishers in your gums and expose you to what ever germs maybe present when DATY.

Other wise, play safe and have fun.
Rule number one, if it smells bad don't eat it.
If it is raw and bleeding don't stick your dick into it.

If you have a sore or a bump or see lil critters crawling around on your crotch.

Don't call an escort.
You could to to a county clinic and tell them you have been with an escort and the condom came off, they will give you every test under the sun for cheap or free.

You can also use an assumed name.
Madeline

HELLO!  Did you read my post?  I said I found the responses to the question funny- NOT the question.

I posted above a response that gave my $0.02.  I am not an MD but I study the STD situation a lot because it is of obvious concern.

Purel?  Are you serious?  Yeah, cause that won't dry your dick out and cause cracks in your skin- thereby giving HepB/HIV/Herpes/HPV an entry point into your blood stream.  How about soap and water, common sense and condoms?

I do advocate getting tested regularly- it's the only responsible thing to do.

Melanie

Time, and time again ... a number of posts pop up regarding risks associated with various hobbying activities. Often times, I respond directly to the issue at hand. However, I thought it would be benefitial to all to have a comprehensive post that covers a broad range of health related topics, and help address a number of issues/concerns...

1/ Risks Associated With Various Hobbying Activities:
AVERT is a leading UK based AIDS Education and Medical Research charity. They are responsible for a wide range of education and medical research work with the overall aim of:
* preventing people from becoming infected with HIV,
* improving the quality of life of those already infected,
* through medical research working to develop a cure for AIDS.

http://www.avert.org/

Here's another useful link: http://www.niaid.nih.gov/newsroom/releases/haitihiv.htm



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In terms of STDs, and HIV common sense prevails. Hopefully, the subsequent paragraphs help alleviate any misperceptions or misconceptions ...


For STDs, there are visible signs of breakouts, rash, cooties, discoloration of skin, scars, etc... that should ring warning bells. The overall appearance, and hygine of the peson also should be considered.

Terms of HIV there is a lot of literature out there that helps dispense off several myths. For starters, you cannot contract HIV by kissing. The most common way to contract HIV is through personal fluids (blood, semen) getting into your body by accidental contact. Be safe and wear a condom, and select elite providers who see select few screened clients.



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Here's what has to happen for you to be infected with a bloodborne disease (HIV/hepatitis):

1) your partner must be infected
2) their viral load must be high (an infected person's potential to infect others varies with a number of factors)
3) you must come into contact with a significant amount of certain body fluids, like blood or semen; you must absorb the fluid through a mucous membrane or open skin area
4) the contact must be extended; the shorter the contact, the less chance for infection
5) your immune system must be unable to fight off the infection

Though anal sex is the most likely to spread bloodborne disease; oral sex is the least.

There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex; you could get it through performing but it is unlikely. If you do perform bbjtc, take a facial or swallow it and rinse quickly to reduce your risk to almost zero (the acid in your stomach will kill the virus). Holding it in your mouth for an extended time is the worst thing you can do.

Odds of contracting HIV through unprotected sex? estimated at approximately .3% (3 in 1000). Odds of contracting HIV through unprotected sex with a KNOWN INFECTED partner? i've seen it estimated at anywhere from 1% to no more than 12%.

Check out the link i've included for lots of Q&A, or do a search on HIV, BLOODBORNE, STD, etc. there's a ton of info out there.



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A provider who sees two guys a day and works about 250 days a year will have about 500 dates a year. For the sake of discussion let's define a high-volume provider as someone who has 1000 dates a year.

A previous post said that 50 million people world-wide are HIV positive. The United Nations estimate I just looked up said 40 million at the end of 2001. Whatever. There are more than 6 billion people in the world. That is an infection rate of under 1%. I think the rate for the United States is about 0.3%. Let us assume 1% for the sexually active US population.

A high-volume provider having 1000 dates a year can expect to have (on average) sex with a HIV positive man about 10 times in a year.

According to a NIAID study (see link) using a condom reduces the risk of HIV transmission by a factor of about seven. I have seen other estimates as high as 20. Let's assume a condom reduces risk by a factor of 10.

If our high-volume provider is using condoms (isn't everyone?) then her risk in having 1000 dates with men with unknown HIV status is equivalent to having unprotected sex once with a man who is known to be HIV positive.

You would do better to be more worried about the HIV status of the provider's boyfriend or husband if she has one. She is probably having unprotected sex with him a lot more than once a year.

Don't forget that HIV is an EXTREMELY difficult disease to transmit. The following three paragraphs are quoted from the link.

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COUPLES STUDY IN HAITI SHOWS REDUCTION IN HETROSEXUAL HIV TRANSMISSION

A study in Haiti of "discordant" hetrosexual couples -- those in which one partner is HIV-infected and the other uninfected -- found that almost half of sexually active couples receiving counseling and free condoms adoped safe sex practices (either abstinence or consistent condom use), according to investigators supported in part by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). The rate of new HIV infections among couples who consistently used condoms was one-seventh as high as those who did not.

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The investigators observed a seroconversion rate of 1.0 per 100 person years for couples who always used a condom, and 6.8 per 100 person years for couples who used condoms irregularly or not at all. The seroconversion rates were similar between couples who never used condoms and those who used them irregularly, underscoring the importance of consistent, correct condom use. The female-to-male rate of HIV transmission was 7.6 per 100 person years; the rate of male-to-female transmission was 4.8 per 100 person years.

The investigators confirmed previous reports that other sexually transmitted deseases significantly increase a person's risk of becoming infected with HIV. Gential ulcer diseases, syphilis, and vaginal or penile discharge in the HIV-negative partner, and syphilis in the HIV-infected partner each increased the risk of HIV transmission.



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In other words, if you have sex for a year with a regular partner who is HIV positive and don't use any protection you stand about a 7% chance of becoming HIV positive yourself.

Athough it is obvious that the risk of getting HIV increases with the number of times you have sex with an infected partner it seems to me that having protected (safer, but not safe) sex with a large number of partners with unknown HIV sex is minor league risk compared to having regular unprotected sex with a single infected partner.



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This post contains useful articles, and a number of informative links. More IMPORTANTLY, HELPS filter Facts Vs. Ficiton.





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II/ A CLINICAL Study On Oral Sex And Transmission Of Diseases

http://www.aidsmap.com/news/newsdisplay2.asp?newsId=1483

The last paragraph states, "In total almost 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex were estimated to have occurred involving the 135 couples over the ten years of the study, but not a single case of HIV transmission was detected. The study authors conclude that: “this seems to point to a very low probability of HIV transmission related to this practice.” "

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III/ STDs

Here are a few good links that provide information of STDs - Definitions, Prevention, Symptoms, and Cures.

1/ http://www.avert.org/std.htm

2/ http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/disease_info.htm

3/ http://www.i-std.com/

4/ http://www.urologychannel.com/std/index.shtml

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IV/ Hepatitis

Here are links that describes Hepatitis A, B, C D, E, and G --Definitions, Prevention, Symptoms, and Cures.

1/ http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/

2/ http://www.hepnet.com/

3/ http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4075abc.htm
(this link provides a chart that does a side by side comparision between Hep. A, B, and C)

4/ http://www.hepatitis.org.uk/s-crina/menu.htm
(an extremely comprehensive site)



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Hope you find this information useful. In our sport, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Be well informed, and stay safe!

I regress... After bluethrills reply's I'm in favor of the humorous reply's.

You'll either get one, or you wont.

bluethrills :

“There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex; you could get it through performing but it is unlikely. If you do perform bbjtc, take a facial or swallow it and rinse quickly to reduce your risk to almost zero (the acid in your stomach will kill the virus). Holding it in your mouth for an extended time is the worst thing you can do.”

You are not looking very hard. Oral transmission through oral sex has occurred,

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm.  

Some studies on gay men suggest that as much as 7 % of HIV infections are from oral sex. There have even been reports of HIV transmission through cunnilingus contact between lesbians. Google “HIV Lesbian” but here are two to get you started.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianhealth/a/LesbianAIDS.htm
http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/375.htm

One thing to keep in mind that most of us who have done oral sex ,  done other sex acts. As a result any HIV transmission from oral sex will likely be misclassified to other sex acts that are thought to be more riskier like FS.

bluethrills :

I/ A CLINICAL Study On Oral Sex And Transmission Of Diseases

http://www.aidsmap.com/news/newsdisplay2.asp?newsId=1483

The last paragraph states, "In total almost 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex were estimated to have occurred involving the 135 couples over the ten years of the study, but not a single case of HIV transmission was detected. The study authors conclude that: “this seems to point to a very low probability of HIV transmission related to this practice.” "

Abstracts of this Spanish study is often cited by those who want to believe that the Oral HIV risk is de minimis .  Critical reading of the abstract will note that only 8965 the unprotected sex oral sex involved unprotected fellatios the most risky form of oral sex for HIV transmission.  Moreover,  if you take the effort to read the entire article  in AIDS 16:9:1296-97, 2002 you will find that not included in the abstract was that 39% of the study subjects were on anti-retroviral drugs.   Anti-retroviral drugs would significantly reduce the viral load and the risk of HIV transmission.  Even if none of the 8965 subjects were on anti-retroviral therapy the study does not have the statistical power to exclude a risk of 1/3000 HIV transmission per BBBJ with on a HIV+ partner. The layperson may not appreciate that studies like this one using diagnosed HIV+ subjects are destined to underestimate the true risk.  The major threat of HIV infections comes from the very highly infectious recent seroconverts  (see below)who are yet to be diagnosed and the 25% of the HIV infected population who are unaware they are infected because they have not been tested often because they are being irresponsible.

Is a  risk 1/3000 per BBBJ something for Providers to be concerned about? It should be intuitively clear that the risk increases with the number of BBBJ acts done.  The risk also depends greatly on the probability that the client is HIV+ which is related to the prevalence of HIV in the population. For the hobby client age group this is about 1%.  Using these values the BBBJ risk is 1/300,000 per act.  To put this in a little perspective, this risk is 6 times higher than 1/ 2,000,000 the estimate risk for covered FS assuming a transmission rate of 1/1000 for unprotected FS with an HIV client and a 95% condom protection factor. The big unknown is how many BJ acts does a Provider do in her professional career? I average 2 BJ/session.  Hence it not unrealistic for me to think that ladies that choose providing as a long-term career may do at least 3000 BJ in her professional life.  If so, she has a lifetime risk of 1% or 1 in 100 chance of being infected. It is up to each lady to decide for herself if this is an acceptable HIV risk for doing 3000 BBBJ.  

I prefer and do get BBBJ.   However I am certain my risk in receiving a few BBBJ in this hobby is several orders of magnitude less than my lady friend’s risk that I get a BBBJ from who do many more than a few BBBJ in her profession.  If the relative risk was reverse I would insist on a cover for a BJ.  I would like to think my lady friends that I get BBBJ from have made an informed decision to give me a BBBJ like I have in deciding to receive one from her.  


bluethrills :

“A study in Haiti of "discordant" hetrosexual couples…

The investigators observed a seroconversion rate of 1.0 per 100 person years for couples who always used a condom, and 6.8 per 100 person years for couples who used condoms irregularly or not at all. The seroconversion rates were similar between couples who never used condoms and those who used them irregularly, underscoring the importance of consistent, correct condom use. The female-to-male rate of HIV transmission was 7.6 per 100 person years; the rate of male-to-female transmission was 4.8 per 100 person years. “

A more recent report on discordant heterosexual couples gives more relevant information to the hobby because it relates risk to the different stages in the disease and the viral load.

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/

This reports overall probability of transmission per coital act, was 1.1/1000 (95%CI 0.8/1000-1.5/1000).  However for couples with a HIV partner in the early stage of HIV infection (less than 2.5 months after seroconversion) when the viral load is high the transmission rate were highest (8/1000). This is significant to the hobby because this is before most infected people will become aware of their HIV status.  It is thought that 50% of all HIV infections are a result of having sex with a recent seroconvert partners.  During the latent period of the disease which can last years if not more than a decade before HIV infection results in full blown AIDS the transmission rate decrease to 0.7/1000 or one tenth that in early stage of infection. Of interest is the indication of low condom use among the study subjects. Hence these results may be of particular relevant for unprotected vaginal sex.

bluethrills :

“In terms of STDs, and HIV common sense prevails. Hopefully, the subsequent paragraphs help alleviate any misperceptions or misconceptions ...

For STDs, there are visible signs of breakouts, rash, cooties, discoloration of skin, scars, etc... that should ring warning bells. The overall appearance, and hygine of the peson also should be considered.”

STD infected individuals are often asymptomatic without visible signs of disease while still being very infectious.  Consideration of visible signs is safer sex but not by much, especially compared to covering up.

I've had clap twice in my life and clamidia at other times and both times I got from a  cheating wife .. (Different wives). Never caught herpes or other crud.  

I get checked for STD's 2X a year (full panel)and  I have been inoculated for Hep A and Hep B, use a cover for all body intercourse and trust in the lord on DATY and BBBJ.

Muff