Verification is clearly essential and protects BOTH the provider and hobbyist.  Read the website of an amazing provider who in spite of any online verification, requires a picture i.d. (driver's license, etc.) which of course also includes real name.

Of course, some hobbyists are single or divorced and could care less about revealing their personal information.  But other than this group, how many hobbyists would truly feel comfortable with this type of arrangement?

But I would still NEVER give an escort my DL info or copy of same.  I respect a woman's right to protect herself but there are plenty of ways to verify without it

END OF MESSAGE

I am wondering if this is going to "catch on".
It appears some clients are starting to judge girls for NOT collecting all sorts of information.  

There will always be girls who are comfortable without all the data

Girls that require drivers license should also advertise that they are low volume.  Very very low volume.

Back in the day-before websites, computers, email, et al.....Many gals - upon arrival at your hotel-would ask to see your drivers license and a business card and if you were from out of town-also wanted to see a plane ticket or car rental agreement to prove who you were, etc...Especially in Atlanta.

If my WhiteListings aren't enough, then I'll move on.  I've had several debates electronically with potential providers who had to know my full name.  I always asked, what is my last name going to prove - I never get an answer.

and trust, but I will not reveal it "on demand" just to meet a new provider.

As you said, screening is to protect us both - for safety. Being "outed" is only one risk; stalking, blackmail and other BSC behaviors can happen from both sides.

Fortunately, the "reveal all" providers are a small minority of all providers

When I see the request to show my DL as part of the escorts screening process,  I simply move on.  

I don't have a policy about ID, but I'm wondering why you would debate it or ask them to justify their policies rather than really moving on. They don't answer you likely because they don't really owe an explanation, you may be seen as a lost cause at that point, and some providers won't reveal the nuts and bolts of their entire screening methods. I highly doubt they are all asking just for shits and giggles. Lol

In reply to the OP, I would say that just as there are UTR providers, there are UTR hobbyists. No ID or real info needed, just years of knowing people well.

... and I'd rather not do that for a provider I don't know extremely well. I've seen cases of very well reviewed providers exhibiting rip-off or BSC behavior.  I just don't want to take that risk. I have many P411 OKs and references who will vouch that I'm harmless and an excellent client. If that isn't good enough, I'll have to move on.  

When I have shared my PII with a provider, it was mutual and under circumstances where revealing an identity would be at least as bad for the provider as it would be for me.  Back in the Cold War days, maybe even today, the concept was called MAD, for mutually assured destruction.

I agree some screening offers some protection for both parties.  How do the ladies feel about giving a real name and ID to the hobbyist when they ask for a full name and ID from the hobbyist?  I have (apprehensively) provided the information but I think it should go both ways -- if she is going to require full information she should be willing to give full information.

Oh, I already moved on when they insisted on knowing my last name!  I simply replied to her email saying I won't give you my last name, but, if I did, what would it do for you.  Is there a database of all LE's?!

You don't really want to know the gal's full and correct name-if she gave that to you--then only a couple key strokes to her mug shot and arrest record......!!

I am one of those guys already "out" who doesn't give a fuck who knows my real name, but to me it depends more on "how" she asks rather than what she asks. If I feel that I am being made to "jump through hoops" just for the privilege of paying her then I most likely will just end the conversation, but if I am "asked nicely" I really don't mind at all.

While we are on the subject though, I doubt it's much more than one P 411 provider in a hundred that has ever asked me for ID and considering how many women are on P 411, I rarely need to search elsewhere to find a provider. I am a lazy monger, for some guys half the pleasure comes from doing research, chatting up the lady, building up anticipation, etc, etc, etc. For me the pleasure comes from the actual sex, I am not going to spend countless hours going back and forth with a woman just to have an hours worth of sex.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Some guys show their ID or give their bio at the door without any of it being requested. You have to tell them to put the passport and library card away.lol

It takes two to agree on the deal. If that is what I have go through, next one. The answers why  are in the other responses on this thread.

Join P411 and if they don't accept that verification then move on. Most providers don't require it. Why take the chance?

hbt49,  
I like the question because;
There are "bad" clients.
There are "bad" providers.

It will be a personal decision as to who one shares their Identity with.
It involves a lot of Trust.

I've gone years and never collected a Driver's License.  
All is Well!  ....  Guess what?
There's a lot of really nice people in this world!

than the guy, usually.  So I understand why they would never want to reveal their true identity

What do they have to lose? A potential $15 dollar an hour job in their future? Splitting up their hand bag collection in a divorce? The average trick has a hell of a lot more to lose than the average hooker.

END OF MESSAGE

END OF MESSAGE

I have required real full names prior to meeting, PLUS an ID in person, for a long time.  I can tell you from my own experience that many more gentlemen will give this out than you might think.  

More than 90% of my clients are married.  Certainly a lot of them would prefer not to give me that info, but they decide I'm worth it.  And I truly appreciate that trust.  

From time to time, someone will contact me and say something along the lines of, "Sweetie, NO ONE is going to give you all his personal info!"..... ummmmmm gee, thanks for the advice but you're wrong.   I've had men offer up far more than I actually ask,  including past & present employers, credit card #, and once someone even handed me his social security card!

There are all levels of comfort when it comes to verification: some won't give ladies even a real first name while others would likely send me a blood sample if I asked for it.  

It's all personal preference, really.  I respect that many hobbyists wish to remain anonymous so I don't ever try to convince anyone to give me what I require.  But the reverse is absolutely not true: ladies who ask for real world info get harassed about it ALL THE TIME.

It's gotten to where I often don't even respond.  Especially to the tired old, "Do I get YOUR name and ID too?" bullshit.  
Actually, my response when I do bother to reply is, "Sure!  Just as soon as I get to read over 100 explicit reviews about you and see your naked photos all over the web!"....... that usually puts an end to the conversation.  

Actually, some BL entries DO say that the individual is "suspected LE" or even someone "known to be working with LE" so yeah.... a last name can help with that.  

But that's not why I require it.  

Unlike those you've questioned, when someone asks politely about my reasons for what I need, I will explain myself to him.  

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 5:28:24 PM

Of course we're not going to give you that.  

Ladies require this because it's part of how they (those who need it) research someone, deciding whether or not to meet him.  

YOU are able to research the lady enough to decide whether or not to see her WITHOUT knowing her real name..... correct?

As to the ID: I researched Joe Blow and decided I felt safe seeing him;  so when you show up you'd better actually BE Joe Blow.  The best way for me to ascertain you indeed are the individual I vetted is to look at your ID.

It's really that simple.  

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 5:33:34 PM

You are very attractive and sound like an amazing provider, but your view sounds a bit slanted and one-sided.  You want a hobbyist's most private, personal information but are unwilling to share yours?  In what universe do you think that is fair (not that I see any useful purpose for having it) and reasonable?

You mention "viewing reviews."  Why isn't a view of the hobbyist's TER reviews/profile, or other online verification, not enough for you?

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 4:04:27 PM

Why should Debbie, or any girl be "fair?" This isn't about "fairness" from their stand point, its about being and feeling safe.  

Who are you or I to tell her what makes her feel safe?  

Personally I would never see Debbie as I wouldn't give the info she requires to do so, but as she says, there are guys that will.

This is very simple. If you don't like Debbie's rules/requirements, see her competition.

That really is the beauty of this business. You want a blonde? Choose one. Brunette? Go right ahead. GFE? Tons of them. PSE? Sure.

And if you want to give up minimal info, there are tons of girls out there that will take your business.

But no need hassling the ones who ask for more.

@LasVegan,  I'm not a "Hobbyist", I'm a Provider, however I'll give my ten cents,  
 regarding "level of comfort".  (ok, maybe twenty cents)

There are extremely well-known Hobby sites which request of Providers  
 an actual picture of their Driver's License!   I'm assuming, however, I do not
 know for fact, that they probably also require a DL for Hobby members as well.
 (I'm in no way disparaging any said site, however I'm simply noting it for
   purposes of the discussion with the P.O.)

Supposedly these  are reputable sites, and I'm told, that I've missed meeting  
 several new friends by not having membership.
 
However, I cannot fathom why any site would need a copy of my DL??
 This to me is invasive, at best, and at worst, a database for L.E.  

I am low volume and I choose to be as I'm a "real civvie", with a "real job",
 and have a "professional career", for which I have two Undergrad degrees and
 a Masters.    
 Oh yes, lest I forget;  I have a family too as most do, whom would
 be duly mortified, outraged and whom would disown me if my decadent and
 titillating secret was revealed!
 (I realize my intelligence and college degrees mean basically squat to most of you,  
  however it points to the transparency of the fact that this biz is strictly a "hobby"
  for myself, and not a necessity to survive.
  This realm is a social outlet for my "s" frustrations with the "civvie" singles' scene.)

I've worked very diligently for the last four years that I've delved into "Companioning"
 to keep my "Hobby/Provider" life obscured and UTR.  
 (as a side note;  nor do I have a Twitter for my Provider name either)

Do I miss situations and opportunities?  Sure I do!  
 One has to weigh the pros with the cons when endeavoring anything.  
 (no this is not a double entendre)  
 Is it worth being "outed" in some form by offering up my DL?  HELL NO!!  

Anybody whom requires your actual DL is probably taking extra precautions to make  
 sure you are whom you say you are  @LasVegan.
 However, with that being said, how many of us actually use our "real name" in this
 hobby anyway?   Hopefully, a big fat zero!

There are other ways to diligently screen without being invasive and requiring a DL.
 If one does not have three or preferably more, verifiable recent Provider references,
 then one does not get the pleasure of meeting with me.   It's really that simple.  
 I decline far more inquires then whom I actually visit with.

Even if one has "Whitelistings", I still as a secondary and precautionary measure,
 politely and sweetly text, email, and/or PM a few of the listed Providers, and inquire
 if said Hobbyist is safe, respectful, and kind.  
 (it takes about ten minutes or so for me to do this)

Usually, I get nice, helpful responses from other Providers.  Often times..."crickets"!
 Sometimes I get:  
 "that's what the hell the "Whitelistings" are for!"  
 "Bitch or Madam, please!"..I say in my head,
  "Do you realize a "Whitelisting" is not an end all, be all?"  

You see, these are the very women, whom someday, will rely solely on one  
 "Whitelisting", which will have turned out to be fake!
 (yes folks, there are fake reviews, and fake "Whitelistings" equally as much!)

To the Providers and Hobbyists alike;  You're not only playing Russian Roulette
 if you don't check references and reviews, but you're setting yourself  
 up for Lord knows what!    

For Providers:  There's something to be said for getting an education of any kind;
 Be it going to college, attending a trade school, ( Beauty College) , or if you're good
 with your hands (no pun intended)..attend an Automotive-Repair school.
 In this unpredictable economy, it's important to have something to fall back on!

With regards to Hobbyists;  Get some lube and a racy magazine, or take a cold shower!
 There's a zillion girls out there whom don't require references, however, "buyer beware"!
 It's not worth getting cut up into little pieces and being stuffed into a suitcase over.
 (I'm not making this up.  It actually happened quite recently, google it!)
 Trust me...it's truly not worth it!

More Providers should do the same as I.  Yes, it takes extra diligence on my part, and of
 course, additional time.   Again, do I lose out on prospective new friends?  Yes indeed I do.
And to both Hobbyists and Providers;   if you cannot be kind, patient, and forthcoming with
 references;   And to Hobbyists, try your hardest (definitely, pun intended) plan ahead and
 pre-schedule at least a day in advance so I can double-triple check references....  
 Then, as kind as I may be;    "C'est la vie", "Sayonara" and to those meanies out there  
 whom take issue, with my policies and inquires...."Beso mi fino marrón culo!"  
 (yes, I speak several languages so add that to my résumé)

No, I'm not a "bitch", nor a "Miss Know-It-All", however, I'm the sweetest and most fun
 person you shall ever meet!   By the way, if you've delved thus far,
 thank you for listening!   But guess what?   I'm still breathing and yes, after this
 I'm truly winded!
But sign me..."Better Safe, Than Sorry!"
Angelina Jones   X0
 

Photo:  "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers"..1956

Hassling?  Nah, just stating an opinion and honestly/genuinely trying to find out her rationale, no more, no less.  It may make sense, in spite of my own preference.

You can draw whatever conclusions you want from my post.  After reading more than enough of your comments on TER, I don't pay much attention to your input anyway.  You have an unrealistically high opinion of your viewpoint.  Your effort to overstate the obvious about hobbyist choices is more than a bit tired.

Lighten up, take a break, and try reading posts in detail before going off the deep end.

If I were your professor, I would teach you how to make your point more succinctly.  You can bet I am all for provider/hobbyist safety and make my choices wisely.  That means ensuring ANY business transaction I enter would be comfortable and acceptable for all parties involved.  Otherwise I simply move on and respect the other party's choice to move on as well.

TER has never let me down yet and I continue to use it as my verification source.  Am betting I am not the only one who feels that way, yet realize/respect there are other options.

P.S.  That was much more than your 20 cents worth, try $5,000 worth.

What business is it of yours how she conducts her verification?  

And it does seem you do pay attention to my input or why else would you have responded to my post? LOL

If my posts "about hobbyist choices is more than a bit tired" then simply ignore them. You seem to have trouble doing that.  

Most bizarrely, you also have trouble understanding why a lady would want to be as safe as she can from stalkers, whack jobs and felons.

Epic fail bro.

If a person is completely new to the hobby, he has absolutely nothing to indicate that he is safe to see. Conversely, he merely has to look up a lady's reviews and backchannel about her to have some indication she is safe. In that instance, I'd say an ID check sounds fair, even if the provider is not showing her ID.  

Besides, what does it matter? There are plenty of girls who don't require ID.  

I can't speak for every provider, but I would imagine if a hobbyist is wanting to see someone whose website states that requirement, an email politely explaining what you are willing to give for verification and asking if she would consider that would go over far better than an email using guilt or shame. The guilting about equality is silly as plenty of the guys complaining about things seeming one-sided and slanted here don't seem too concerned on matters where the slant is in the other direction. The sharper ones here enjoy those perks to their customer status and don't expect us to be any more concerned with fairness and equality than they are. These are the ones I like. Lol

As usual LasVegan, like most of the BSU crowd, proves why the board assholes are actually preferred by most of the ladies here than those of his ilk as most of us actually "get it" and either comply with the ladies request or we simply move on without demanding her justify herself over and over again like all these so called "nice guys" seem to want them to do.

Epic fail is right.

Here's my view: YOU get to research a lady to decide whether or not to see her via her working-name, her reviews, photos, etc for that purpose, right?  That is, all of that is enough for you.  So you don't NEED my real name & ID.  

Well, my research requires your real full name.  Then when you arrive I need your ID simply to be certain you ARE the person I researched and agreed to meet.  

YOU have what you need, I have what I needed.  Fair.  Simple.  Done.  

 
What purpose does a real name serve?  Well, first: In addition to searching that name on all the usual provider resources,  I check to be sure you're not in the sex offender registry or have a history of domestic violence.  

Secondly (and this one does happen occasionally) it helps me to avoid someone I might know in real life.  That likely wouldn't be the end of the world, but it could make both of us very uncomfortable.  

Lastly, should you choose to hurt me, your real identity makes it easier for me to press charges or pursue other avenues of recourse.   Also, it's my personal belief that many predators who set out to hurt someone will be unlikely to divulge that info.  
I could be wrong, but I haven't been seriously harmed since I started requiring it so...... yeah.  

Except it certainly looks like you have a Lot of FEAR of men and a Lot to LOSE.
 
"More Providers should do the same as I. "---Naaaaah,,,,I don't want to live a desperate double life in constant FEAR of getting caught,,,
That can't be a Happy way to live.

As a matter of fact, you are so smart, I don't see why you subject yourself to all the terrible things  
that COULD HAPPEN to you in the Sex Industry.  
What is the point of putting yourself at such Risk?

True that Sir, however, I, in no way was being disbarring towards TER in the least!  
 Clearly, did I say a single word with offense to TER?  No, I did not!  
 TER does not ask for a Driver's License.  Other sites do!

I was just espousing in a lengthy manner, to bring several points into the
 mix, if not only to enlighten, however, to offer up some thoughts, which many
 do not even give thought to.   If I felt it was deserving of responding succinctly  
 then I would've done so.

Instead of commenting on my verbiage which you feel necessitates your criticism.
 Maybe you should give kudos to the fact that I write intelligently and even bothered
 to respond to you.  
 Most people on here, particularly many Providers, do not even
 know the difference between, "your, you're, and their, they're, and there!"

Whether I'm reading you incorrectly, or not, I'm a bit miffed why it would matter
 to you one way or another, if I've written a novel in response to your inquiry!

This is exactly the reason why so many people do not participate on these boards!
 because of the ensuing negativity, (such as yours?), misunderstandings, and just  
 plain scowling, which oft-times ensues!!  

Have a nice Sunday Sir.  "Kindness" is your friend!

Photo:  Oscar The Grouch from "Sesame Street

I had a real dom itch. I heard there was a dungeon in town that was very well done and high class, that provided professional subs with whom you could have sex and --as long as you respect limits-- would allow anything you wanted. (each sub had different limits.)  
I called, made an appointment, and drove to the "area".  I was told to call and was asked to park for a minutes in a certain place and asked what i was driving. As I drove by what turnout to be the place, the lady said "OK. Park and come on up."
I arrived,the domme in charge was very attractive and well dressed, the placed looked great. She asked for my drivers license and some other ID. I refused not knowing if she might get closed down with her lists. She said without that I couldn't be her client. (I also had to sign a description of what was going to happen. She explained that if I was a sub, got chained up and whipped, and died like that, they needed proof that it was voluntary.)  
I walked out.  
OH well I still wonder how good it might have been.  
Now with TER and white lists and P411 I think ladies can feel safe with men with many reviews and recent OKs etc.

You're an asshole!  It is that simple and rather dense as well.  If you are that ignorant there is nothing I can do to help you.  A very wise man taught me we could never fix stupid or ignorant.  So I will continue to keep you in that category.  Asshole!

No fear whatsoever, do I have of MEN!  I LOVE MEN!
 How do you infer that I'm somehow fearful of men?
 This is your kindest opinion Ma'am?
 
Isn't this what the GD platform is for?  
 To enlighten and induce a kind and thoughtful repartee?    
 I don't believe this GD platform was intended to encourage a mean-spirited,  
 disparaging and hateful response from anyone!

I believe I gave you the reasons as to why I "do this".  
 I do it to have a social life, as I'm an extremely busy person (as most people)
 accomplishing  a plethora of many things.  
 
There is more inherent risk in meeting a stranger at the grocery store,  
 in a nightclub, or at the library, than there is here on TER!
 I was simply stating in one of the sentences, that sometimes, there are
 fake "Whitelists", as well as fake reviews.

Wow, I'll stick to my more kind and gentler local board.
 Thanks for  "Us Providers should stick together mantra"....Not!... @GYBOpower

And you are even a bigger asshole than your buddy.  Hope he gives you satisfying blow jobs.  Going to write a review on him?

You know how much I value YOUR opinion.  Any 70 year old like you, who purports to see 4 or 5, 800/hour providers everyday is more then brain dead.  Do you really think even a few on here believe even one word of your bullshit?  Nah, don't bank on it.

After you learn how to read (yup, I know that will take a while), reflect just a bit, BEFORE you make an even bigger asshole of yourself.  I know it is only natural for you, but why not give it a break?

I am asking legitimate questions that you do not want to answer.
     Do you feel "Out of Control" right now

Thank you @Dr. Joe, for your experience, kind response, and a laugh.
 I don't blame you for leaving the establishment/Provider's dungeon.

AJ  X0

Thank you, beautiful for indulging me.  Makes total sense.

If the guy has plenty of P411 Oks or references you can research him without knowing his real name. Unless you show your face in the ad we can't know for sure it's you. Even established girls have gone bad due to drugs, criminal boyfriends etc.

Furthermore most of the hookers have gone home with guys they knew little about in the civilian world

Not that the opinion of a moron like you is really going to help my cause, but thanks for trying.

So now why don't you try reading Debbie's other 100+ posts on the subject if you REALLY want to know what makes her tick?  

So how much screening did BBBBB put you through before making good on her offer last year? and for the record, no friend of Jack's pays eight hundred bucks for an hour with a hooker. You just keep getting dumber by the post. Are you by chance friends with secretive or Ripmany?

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 7:33:36 PM

If you are only capable of opening a post with "You're an asshole!" and ending it with "Asshole," you have no game.  None.  Zero.  You should not have come back.  Please return to the LV Board where gameless fools like you are tolerated.

I answered all of your questions.  
 How about reading what I wrote in response to you?
 There are no risks if I use TER, as indeed I do, for referencing purposes,
 as indicated by the exact way that I stated.  
 If you don't like it, disapprove of, nor care about it, then don't adhere to my
 high standards of referencing and keeping super-safe.  Why the negativity
 from both of you two?

You do not incite me whatsoever, nor do I ever lose control.
 What incites me is someone being unkind, and behaving like a bully.  
I refrain from ever posting on this  GD board, as it has a reputation locally  
 of being exactly how you are responding.

I came here to make new friends however, I see, a few are not too happy that there
 are "newbies" to this discussion board.    
  There appears to be some, particularly you two, whom are adults, or perhaps "faux" adults,  
  or maybe you both  just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today?
  Nonetheless, your negative responses/opinions are perhaps those of those living out their  
  bullying snarky high school days, where one pulled a girl's hair,
  left nasty notes on one's locker, talked bullshit about another if they didn't sport the newest
  gear, and stole one's boyfriend!    

Have a better evening young lady, take a deep breath.
"Kindness equates control".

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 5:47:27 PM

...when he gets his ass beat in a thread.

What's next on your fascination list?  

Wondering why the women here make the guys use condoms? Why they insist on taking our money? LOL

I await your next amazingly stupid post with great eagerness. LO

That is not The Way To Win Friends and Influence People, by professing to be smarter than everyone
and claiming you know the Best way to run their business.

You don't know what to say, that is why you are screaming "Negative responses/opinions".
When you come onto the GD Board , it's not all sweetness and people impressed with what you have.

----"I am low volume and I choose to be as I'm a "real civvie", with a "real job",  
 and have a "professional career", for which I have two Undergrad degrees and  
 a Masters.    
 Oh yes, lest I forget;  I have a family too as most do, whom would  
 be duly mortified, outraged and whom would disown me if my decadent and  
 titillating secret was revealed! "--------

I just seems like, with all that you KNOW and HAVE,
Why would you subject yourself to such great Risk, when you have so much to lose?

 

-- Modified on 7/31/2016 1:29:16 PM

Oh, you are giving him a blow job too?  Hope it is a good one and he writes a fair review on you!  Maybe a circle jerk?  Sorry not my cup of tea, but more power to you.  Don't worry, I won't judge.

Well said.  

Some people drive Chevys, some drive Fords and others prefer Japanese or German cars.  
Blondes, brunettes, tall or short  
Find what suits you, follow her required rules or see somebody else.

of the hobbyists or mongers that get confused by this topic. It is real simple--a provider has the right to feel safe in her work environment. If you don't want to provide the information she needs, then move on.

I too would not be seeing Debbie because of her requirements. However, I have seen many ladies in my 13 years in P4P.

Thank you ladies for many wonderful times which I hope to continue for many years to come.

END OF MESSAGE

ignorance can be educated
insanity can be medicated
you can't fix stupid

END OF MESSAGE

it may be that LilVegan isn't stupid but is simply utterly lacking in game.  Either way, this performance is one of the most embarrassing displays here in quite a while.

It confirms name, nationality, place of birth, and birth date without providing a street address. I also use this as ID if requested when checking into a hotel. (And I use a PO box address for all hotel reservations and hotel programs.)

It's pretty cheap and easy to get one when you renew your US passport.

You're still an asshole and your 3rd grade double-talk doesn't change that, plain and simple.

Of certain men when asked why they targeted working girls with 'nothing to lose'.  

"I knew they would not be reported missing right away and might never be reported missing." -Gary Ridgway  

"You lie to yourself. You deny that there’s a family. You deny that’s there’s parents and possibly kids."-Joel Rifkin

Thanks for once again proving my point.  You are beneath embarrassment.  I am going to leave your sorry ass alone now, as anything more would be...

Thank you!  I actually take that as a compliment, coming from someone like you who lives in a bizarro world.  Ever wonder why your inner circle is NOT shrinking, but is non-existent?  No, that's right, you wouldn't you are too dense, your posts make that abundantly clear.

Keep trying though, one of these days you just might say something that makes sense.  No, never mind, I take it back, that is pretty close to impossible.  I almost feel sorry for you, no, I take that back too.  Don't get your hopes up.

And don't stalk me, you will have to keep your circle jerks between you and the other two of you three amigos.  And again, don't worry, I will not judge you, promise.

Unless you are psychic how the hell do you know what she thinks or feels?
Hit her website. It's allllll explained very clearly there.  
Trying to point fingers at someone else's life makes no sense.  
AGAIN, it's a service business.  
Guys don't need to see girls that don't accommodate them, women can provide for which customers they want.  
Trying

You're unemployed and your family pays for your companion

I assume you are referring to foureleven.  You have to remember that their paying customers are the "hobbyists"  and not the provider.  So their business depends upon goodwill of the clients and not really on the provider.  Nevertheless the providers benefit from the advertising blessing (highly vetted) and the ability to review client "okays."  

On the topic of verification, I got into see my first provider by sending her a photograph of my DL.  She also verified my workplace phone.  My second provider was also given my real name -- not sure how she used it, but was satisfied.  From visits to them I got two invites to the foureleven 6 month free trial.   I made all further bookings through it.  Only one person has asked for additional info and based on her well known persona, I was happy to oblige.

If your dance card is full then there probably is no great benefit to getting on the fourbus.  But if you are losing work hours, I would say quite a few of us depend on the bus for our own safety.
 

Whether or not to comply.  I've always found it really easy to connect with most providers that I want to see, by providing her with the info she requests.  With all of the highly rated and regarded ladies I've seen over the past dozen years, not once has it ever came back to haunt me, and my success rate at seeing new ladies is 95%+.  Maybe I've been lucky, but more likely after over 100 times out with new ladies, quality is just that.  

Then again, being single, I probably could manage any fall-out better than married hobbyists, so take that into account.          

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I don't have to work. I could only wish my family paid me to fuck hookers.

My stage name (my business entity) is the only piece of information about me relevant to a client.

If I flake out on him, is he actually going to post on the boards that [my real name] NCNS'd him? If I don't give him BBBJ, is he going to come knock on my door, or serve me a lawsuit? No, he'd review me under my provider name.  

I had two clients go stalkerish on me this year. They are not exactly dangerous, but just intrusive to the point of inappropriate behavior and extreme creepiness. I'm very glad they don't know who I am and where I live... I'd honestly worry about them trying to find me (not to hurt, just to pretend to run into me at a bar, or keep tabs on me, or something).

We want your info for our safety. Can you imagine being a provider and seeing 'John Doe'?  
Yikes. I don't require full name, but for what it's worth, I've had better experiences w/men who have provided that info, than those who just used references or p411. It's a sign of respect and consideration for me... it means that they understand my need for safety, and want to do everything they can to make me feel comfortable when I'm with them.  

As others have said, a guy is much less likely to cause harm if I know where he lives and works. Of course, no screening is foolproof, but it's definitely not meaningless, perfunctory, or ineffective...  

The only reason I could see that you might need a girl's name is if she robbed you. Then you could call the police... BUT, why would you see someone (presumably) without having done your research to make sure she's reputable? If you're comfortable seeing her based upon her reputation, you should be comfortable being screened... if you're not comfortable with her requirements, then move on

As for stalking you, need I point out I was replying to someone else? Also, if you can't take the heat, put me on ignore. It's what gameless pussies like you do.

This conversation is always a stalemate. Why would you see a guy if you had not done (non real name) research to see if he is reputable.

I could make a case that a girl is more likely to show up and perform better if you know her real name. Besides we need to know your real name so we can check up on your DOB to make sure you did not lie about age.

Personally I don't give personal info and don't expect it from the girls. I think that for this business to survive you can't set dangerous precedents. If asking for personal info were to become pervasive many of us would simply not participate. In the long run there would fewer mongers and less money for the girls

Have or want to use non-real-name verification.  

Some guys don't do this that much, so they don't have a hobby history online (no p411, no TER whitelist, etc). They might not have seen another girl for months or even years, if ever. I just screened a gent whose last escort was 4 years ago (so he said). She's retired.

Some guys are uncomfortable asking for references, or just find the process indiscreet. They don't want girl X to know he say Y and Z. And he might feel funny about asking Z to refer him to another girl if both are local. Some guys just want two people to know about their business - themselves and the escort - not five.

Some guys LIKE to give their info. Like, 'Hi Provider, I'm Jeff from Scarsdale, NY. I'm a vet. Look me up and you'll see my website with my photo on it (I'm in shape!). I donated shirts to the Little League team and am a member of the Garden Club. See, I'm totally normal and safe!' Even seasoned hobbyists provide full name sometimes, just to make sure that I feel 100% comfortable seeing them (yea, some guys are really just that nice).  

I'll perform better if I know I might get a review under my stage name... I mean, if you have my real name why would that affect my performance? Are you going to send me hate mail if you dislike your session (more likely you'll stalk me if you really like it!). As for your last point, guys will ALWAYS do what it takes to get pu**y