Yes, and,
All women, including civilians, learn to get what they want/need from men.
Usually women want security,
and men want sex.
Let the Games begin.
I mean, Carry On!
I’ve played for a lot of years and heard a lot of comments from providers … and I’ve always known 99% of what they were telling me was pure BS. While I always tried to stay physically fit, I was average. And while I could almost always maintain an erection, I damn sure wasn’t hung like a horse. And I damn sure wasn’t ever mistaken for any hot guy.
So when a lady tried to tell me how sexy I was or … I knew it was BS. She was hoping to entice me to see her again to make more money.
It amazes me how many guys fall for it.
When I still new to the game, A well seasoned monger taught me the “4F rule” for mongers (and the concurrent “4F rule” for providers). I’ve never forgotten it as it was the best advice I ever got.
For guys: Find Her. Flatter her. Fuck her. Forget her.
And the Providers version: Find him. Flatter him. Fleece him. Forget him.
If you don’t think is how the game works for most guys and providers, you’re just fucking clueless.
Escorts will give their real name when they want you to zelle them money...or even a child's real name and phone number if the escort's own account is overdrawn and she is desperate for quick cash. This is a level of trust I never would have expected.
I would respectfully argue that it isn’t trust, it’s desperation.
But also, how true. I always tell guys that when she looks at you she sees a wallet with legs.
That said, I've met a lot of working girls over the years who were pretty genuine and we've become friends, but within limits. The problems come when you presume to step over those boundaries and assume there's more there than actually exists.
I feel differently. I think you should cherish good memories and learn from bad ones.
Also, the more you try to forget something the harder it is.. I still have great memories from 2002-03. I certainly haven't forgotten them.
Also you want women to fleece us? - as in defraud us, hoax us, swindle us? ... What gives?
I don’t want it; you misread the message. But it’s a fact of life. While there are certainly a few ethical ladies who don’t fleece clients, there are many who will tell a monger whatever she thinks he wants to hear in hopes of sucking more money out of his wallet. That’s my definition of fleece..
You probably need to expand on that a bit to make clear just what you're saying.
Good customer service is all about getting a customer to return, and thereby getting them to spend more money on your service. But that doesn't seem to be what you are talking about. Are you talking about all the up sell type crap that some of the lower grade providers engage in? The whole here's my base rate but all you get for that is a passive participant but if you want DFK, GFE, BBBJ, DATY, DATO.... then you need to pay more then I agree, that is not who I'm going to see ever again. I make an effort to be sure that is NOT who I'm scheduling with and the vast majority of times succeed. As such I'm more with the responders that are disagreeing with your experience and characterization of it being something of the norm.
Yes, and,
All women, including civilians, learn to get what they want/need from men.
Usually women want security,
and men want sex.
Let the Games begin.
I mean, Carry On!
50 bucks say !! UR a SSSSP (Street-Smart Sweet and Savvy Provider)..
Hats off to ya !! U NAILED IT.. WE BRING da DOLLA.. U BRING da Goodies. 2GETHER we dance !
Those who don't got no game will never understand the simple economics and free market !! Those mouth breathers, back page refugees, those soliciting dolla holla trannies WON'T get it..
This game AIN'T for the weak of heart. It's for the crème de la crème of SSSM (Street Smart Savvy Mongers).
They will have to watch from the SIDELINES.. They will be left in DUST.. Like the Queens song goes ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST...
U gotta be able to CONNECT the DOTS. U gotta be able to READ between the LINES. U gotta do UR HOMEWORK !
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You forgot:
4real4real!
LMAO
I agree that their flatter usually isn't honest. But in fairness, I don't think you can entirely attribute their white lies to greed for your money. They also might be giving you false compliments simply because they're nice people and want to make you feel good.
After all, haven't you told white lies to girls (civilians or providers) just to be nice? "Baby, your tits are great!" when in reality they're saggy? Or "Baby, that's the best bj I've ever gotten!" when really it was just average?
We all want to make people feel good, even if there's no profit for us in it.
With that said, I don't dispute that it makes business sense for them to play up the white lies.
A little flattery, kindness, politeness, interest in others is how every service industry works, not to mention most casual other relationships.
none of this is real. We pay for the illusion and the physical. This is not much different than any other purchased service or the advertising that goes with it (leaving aside the legal aspects and the expected lack or legal recourse to disputes). It's also not much different in terms of how the two sides relate -- both generally act in ways that best get them what they are looking for from the transaction.
That said I think many will find what they are looking for. Those that see the world in a low trust, caveat emptor view will likely describe things the was your mentor did. Those that see it in a more balanced setting will choose more neutral words. I also think it's worth keeping in mind that people will generally find what they are looking for -- meaning if you see the relationships here cynically you will probable get others to act in accordance to that view.
Perfectly said. And, I lie/embellish constantly to providers. I tell them all how pretty and sexy they are, how they rocked my world like nobody else and how I can't wait to see them again. And, I bet 99% believe me. It goes both ways, at least for me.
I take your comment that 99% believe you as satire and thus good humor. If it wasn’t satire…
Honesty? You want honesty?
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My hostesses usually greet me with a disappointed look on their face. Then say that they only meet with handsome gentlemen but in my case, they'll make an exception.
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Early on in the session, they usually say that they prefer to perform our activities covered and ask me if I'm OK with that. Of course, I agree. Then they give me a brown paper bag with eye-hole cutouts to put over my head.
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However, I think they really like me a lot and are afraid of falling for me, big time. As I leave, they thank me for visiting but say that it's probably best if they never have to see me again.
I’ve played for a lot of years and heard a lot of comments from providers … and I’ve always known 99% of what they were telling me was pure BS. While I always tried to stay physically fit, I was average. And while I could almost always maintain an erection, I damn sure wasn’t hung like a horse. And I damn sure wasn’t ever mistaken for any hot guy.
So when a lady tried to tell me how sexy I was or … I knew it was BS. She was hoping to entice me to see her again to make more money.
It amazes me how many guys fall for it.
When I still new to the game, A well seasoned monger taught me the “4F rule” for mongers (and the concurrent “4F rule” for providers). I’ve never forgotten it as it was the best advice I ever got.
For guys: Find Her. Flatter her. Fuck her. Forget her.
And the Providers version: Find him. Flatter him. Fleece him. Forget him.
If you don’t think is how the game works for most guys and providers, you’re just fucking clueless.
is if she says she prefers doggie and wants to stay that way.
I feel your pain!
Agree 100% ! Been doing this for many decades now and so am 'up there' in years. I've had several long term relationships with providers that have turned in to friendships (well - sort of). Through all of that, I have never found a single one to be 100% honest. Many have given me their real names, family info and background, etc. but each and every one has lied to me at some point or another. A good example -- I had a 10+ year relationship with a provider that I would see probably at least 5-6 times a year with a number of our meetings being for overnight. A couple of years after she left the business, I found out that she had a daughter - purely by accident while looking at Facebook posts. Probably had the child when she was in her late teens. We 'dated' from the time she was 20 until about 31-32 and she confided much in me. I even helped her write part of the copy she used on her website. Anyway, I think we can be very naïve in this area.
Every time they tell me they’re cumming or my dick is big, it’s got to be true!
The compliments are obvious lies, comically so, usually. That's annoying, but the sadder part is that when they appear to let down their guard and share their more natural side, you know if the meter wasn't running, they wouldn't be giving you the time of day.
but not always. There’s ways you can tell if compliments from a provider are genuine. One is if you’ve had the same compliments from people who aren’t taking your money or have some other reason for puffery. Another is if it’s unlikely the provider will get any more of your money, eg she’s retiring from the business or moving far away very soon.
When I book a session, I’m looking for hot sex, not honesty! I couldn’t care less what the girl says to me! As long as she’s hot and sexy, and she legitimately attempts to satisfy my sexual desires for the hour, I’m a happy man! I usually tip if I feel the girl has given the effort, and I probably tip 90% of the time! This is sexual fantasy so anything goes! Honesty shouldn’t be part of the conversation or expectation for either party!
Reading your note, it sounds as though you’ve been embittered by some recent personal experience. I think one of the first things we learned about empirical research is to not assume your experience is universal. I can’t speak for other players, but the obvious anger in your note makes it hard to relate.
But in answer to your question, I don’t know who these undefined guys are. Is it 1%, 5%, 22.5% of all players to whom you refer? Of course there will be some poor schlemiels who believe they gave a lady 5 orgasms in one session, tells the funniest jokes since Rodney Dangerfield (sorry—I’m old), and is more handsome than Chris Evans’ and Chris Hemsworth’s love child. But I daresay the thousands of reviews I’ve read over a couple of decades strongly suggest that the vast majority of guys get the joke; they know they don’t have 10-inch Vibranium dicks and the ability to fuck every provider into hysteria. We understand that a lady is doing ego stroking as well as dick sucking. You’re not saving anyone from the sad horror of awakening from delusion; we’re just here to get laid by hot chicas.
And for the guys who are deluded, why do you care? As long as your eyes are open, why do you care if some schmucks buy the sales pitch hook, line and sinker? How does that detract from your fun?
‘Nuf said I suppose. I’m going to step over here now to continue my pussy hunt.
"And for the guys who are deluded, why do you care? As long as your eyes are open, why do you care if some schmucks buy the sales pitch hook, line and sinker? How does that detract from your fun?
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Where do I start here? This attitude seems to say "fuck everyone else, focus on me only" . This hobby is about camaraderie and community, not just getting yours only despite what might happen to the next man. At least in my opinion.
Let's put it this way. Do you care if someone scams a random old lady, provided she is not your relative? Do you say oh well she's not my grandma/aunt/etc, so I don't care that she allowed herself to be scammed?
Well, you might say that, but personally I will never say that. It's never OK to scam someone, no matter their relationship to you. So some schmuck being misled, no matter how anonymous he is, is a big deal to me. I consider someone fooling/tricking a fellow monger the same as fooling/tricking me.
I said “deluded” not defrauded. You understand the difference right?
Nowhere does OP suggest he got ripped off in any way shape or form. He complains about fake compliments, not fake pictures or anything else even suggesting he was the victim of anything other than insincere praise. In case you still don’t get it, that’s the equivalent of telling grandma her blue hair makes her look like a teenager, NOT the equivalent of conning her out of her social security check. If you still don’t get it, I give up.
As for my point about some guy being deluded that he really has a 10 inch Vibranium dick and brought his P4P date to 5 orgasms, that’s only a problem of fraud if he in fact paid for said dick (in which case his dispute is with his Wakandan surgeon) or said orgasms. If he did either, well Barnum had something to say about that. Meantime, he’s having fun and it ain’t your problem unless you’re equally stupid. If you are, again I give up.
I feel like since flattery is a lie, the delusion stems from a lie which is deception either way, whether or not it's hyperbolic or subtle.
But you do have a point. I guess if the escort could be talked into NOT saying flattering shit on case by case basis, it's probably best for everyone. Having it as an opt-in and OFF by default would be good.
I am also someone who doesn't really like fake platitudes and flatteries, and prefers they leave it out. And someone who also likes honesty and truthfulness.
Would Chris Evans’ and Chris Hemsworth’s love child also be named Chris?
Escorts are professionals. We are human beings with feelings, but we understand that a date with a client is not about our feelings. I am inclined to feel fondly for and empathize with my clients because they show up on time, have good hygiene, pay my amount in full, and treat me with respect. Of course I want repeat business, I run a business!
Don't get me wrong, there is money in insulting a man to his face, but I genuinely don't understand why a person in this hobby would take issue with being complimented or treated with care by a beautiful woman, when they have specifically paid for just that.
The resentment in OP’s original note seems like an overreaction to a simple and not unkind thing that women in P4P do. The gentlemen making a big deal of it doth protest too much.
If the car dealer compliments my tie I figure (1) he’s buttering me up a bit, (2) he’s just finding something nice to say, (3) he recognizes good taste in cravats when he sees it, (4) and/or all the above. In any event it’s nothing to get upset about. Just relax and enjoy the new car, pussy or whatever else you’re looking for that day.
The resentment in OP’s original note seems like an overreaction to a simple and not unkind thing that women in P4P do. The gentlemen making a big deal of it doth protest too much.
If the car dealer compliments my tie I figure (1) he’s buttering me up a bit, (2) he’s just finding something nice to say, (3) he recognizes good taste in cravats when he sees it, (4) and/or all the above. In any event it’s nothing to get upset about. Just relax and enjoy the new car, pussy or whatever else you’re looking for that day.
It's not just women in P4P who do this. We all do this, even when there's no money involved. We all occasionally tell little while lies to flatter people simply because we're nice, not because of profit. Have you ever told a girlfriend she looks great in a dress when it actually makes her ass look fat? Have you ever told a provider her tits are amazing when they're actually just okay? When a girlfriend tells you you're the best fuck she's ever had, are you sure she's telling the truth?
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You have a great point. I've been asked by a couple of clients if I wanted to date them outside of hobbying so obviously there are men who don't understand that is a p4p service, not a dating service.
But in terms of compliments on appearance, dick size, attraction, orgasms and other things mentioned in this thread I don't see any reason to lie so I don't. I never tell a client he's attractive is I don't find him attractive. Or tell him he has amazing eyes if I'm not acctualy mesmerized by them. If I'm asked out a date, I politely decline. If his dick isn't big, I don't tell him it is. And I'm multiorgamsic so there's no reason to lie about orgasms. The only time I don't come is if he's not even trying to get me off. Which has only happened 3x ever because there are actually men who don't know how to find a clit! 
I'm a fan of being my sweet and bubbly self and having fun while also being honest if a gent crosses boundaries. It's a fine line but I think I've mastered a great balance where we both have fun without anyone being led on or lied to 
Then why do so many guys always say things like "suck that big dick" or "yeah baby, you like fucking that big cock don't ya" when they know it's not???
I'm not going to make any comments or statements about your anatomy or looks unless they ask me something.
A self-assessment like that which is obviously inaccurate it likely a form of role play. They are living out a fantasy.
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So why is that different than getting fake compliments? Well for one thing it is not a self-assessment, it is an assessment by an outsider. Secondly it may or may not jive with their current fantasy scenario.
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I find fake compliments off-putting and often cringy in their denial of reality. So a guy with a small dick insisting that his cock is huge is just a fantasy he himself is experiencing. But telling a guy who knows he has a small dick that it is huge is just reminding him that you've noticed how small it is. See the difference?
than a bartender flirting with me for a bigger tip? It's like any other personal service. You get told a little BS so you return as a customer. Who cares?
Her skill level in artful deceit is important. A provider who tells me my dick is the biggest she's ever had is just dumb. A great provider will flirt with the truth to make you feel good about yourself, because guess what if you feel good about yourself you probably gonna blow quicker so it's less work.
Plus it's not all insincere. My current ATF knows how I can get her off and she will make sure we go to that position early on so she gets to have fun too.... I'm not a msog guy. I'm 99.99% sure she's not faking it, and even if she is I don't care because to me it adds to the experience.
Also it's not like I don't blow smoke up their asses all the time. Again I'm not gonna blatantly lie and say "you're the only one I see" but little compliments just help the relationship.
I don't agree with the "forget them" part. If it's good the first time around I don't want to forget her. I wanna go back. Sex ain't ever great the first time, I don't care if you're a stud or she's a goddess. It'll get really good like the 3rd time. Providers are great for that reason, it's like having FWB without the risk of emotions getting involved.
Not to mention I have genuinely become friends with a few and remained friends even after seeing them as clients.
Call me a romantic but I don't really want to forget anyone I've had sex with....except my ex, if I could do the MiB thing to forget her I would
Whether good, bad, or indifferent, I want to remember all those times.
Now, whether or not they want to remember me, is another story.
You should be happy anyone is giving you any compliments. I bet your alot of fun at parties.
If the purpose of this forum is to prompt discussion / discourse, then this topic achieved that purpose. Many interesting perspectives.
Most people have a pretty good idea of how they look, and guys are certainly keenly aware of the size of their dicks. The seasoned monger quoted here, sounds as cynical as the OP. If her comments bother you that much, ask her stop. But you're engaging in a fantasy when you see an escort, where's the harm in her complimenting you as part of her service. And if you repeat(s) isn't she doing her job and doing it well ?
who can't take a compliment because he knows he sucks. A lot of escorts are just regular girls who like sex and realized they could make a living having it. Full stop. Not too many have the capacity for the deceiving, duplicitous, hustling bullshit you're alleging. It's exhausting. I thought the lying jezebelle trope died decades ago. Shocking that this review board is stuck in the 70s.
Also - you had to gave a guy teach you how you how to pay women for sex? Lmao for crying out loud
Most guys in the P4P fantasy world think they are sexier and better in bed than they really are because, as you say, they fall for the marketing flattery. It's refreshing to hear from a guy that knows he's no prize for the ladies and doesn't bullshit himself or others.
And were just trying to "coach" you up...ever thought about that?
Bottom line, take it for it is, it's all part of the game...
Amazed at the breadth and depth of thought in some of the replies.. though there were some replies that wouldn’t have wetted the tops of ones feet. This is what makes the forum fun
The final postscript… the original question of why guys believe escorts didn’t come from the guy who posted it … it came from his girlfriend who was a very successful escort ( over 90 reviews on this site) and who would readily admitted her “job” was to tell a guy whatever he wanted to hear.. cause that was what got her tips and repeat business. And she was VERY frustrated by all the fake reviews written about her on TER.
Wait she was frustrated by fake reviews resulting from her lying to people? Really? Like she made the experience seem more personal than it was and then didn't like that it had the desired effect. Psycho!
No.
She was frustrated by reviews written by guys who NEVER saw her.
Get a clue .. TER is full of reviews written by guys who randomly write reviews on escorts they’ve never seen just so they can 15 days of full access.
"who would readily admitted her “job” was to tell a guy whatever he wanted to hear.. cause that was what got her tips and repeat business. And she was VERY frustrated by all the fake reviews written about her on TER."
Within the context of this post and the OP, my confusion about what you meant about fake reviews is pretty reasonable.
And yes I'm aware there are fake reviews, just last week someone pretty much copy pasted one of my reviews about one of my regulars. Either we had the exact same experience physically and emotionally or he plagiarized me. Idgaf but yes I'm aware.
God gave man a brain and a penis, but only enough blood to run one at a time.