This girl named Jane fucks men with money on side for income.  

Me: if I don't already have a SO, then I'm choose MIKE so that I get the REAL girl.

...he does.

Mike isn't just "chasing pussy."  It sounds like he genuinely wants to have a relationship with her.  If he pays her, that won't happen.  Providers don't consider hobbyists to be boyfriend material and they think hobbyists will always think of them as prostitutes.  That's why they say: "If only we hadn't met this way..."

BTW, Mike and Jane do not hang out OTC - there is no "C" because he's never paid her; they're friends.

Her clients aren't fools for paying because most providers are fucking SOMEONE for free.

Are dynamics fair?

Which came first, clocks or paying for pussy?

... is the person who thinks that if a man and woman get together to have drinks or dinner, sharing he expense, as "just friends" and without sexual relations, then at least one of them is an idiot.

When you measure a man and woman hanging out on the basis of whether or they have sex or not only shows your lack of confidence which makes you the biggest looser on the planet.

I know you are.

There's no better way to attract women than be seen with beautiful Gals.
   
  If Jane's Sugar Daddy's spend money on a paid relationship with Jane it doesn't seem foolish to me, they can't take their dollars with them when they die, might as well spend it having fun.

If sex with Jane is the sum total of what he wants to "win" SOMEDAY, and the total value of sex with Jane has already been set at $400, the most he can hope for has a value of $400. He is spending less than than each time he sees her, probably, but after several "dates" hanging out, he's spent more than the possible payoff.

Mike see Jane..Jane see Mike..duh..

Neither is an idiot. They are just normal people doing normal things. She is making money doing the same sort of shit many girls do, and I can see exactly why Mike has to pay for it.  And oh yea, Mike will eventually pay for it. She knows that. But as soon as he does, he's out of the picture.

you completely missed the part where I said he is chasing her.

I can certainly painfully relate to the guy in this example because for many years I was him, chasing gals who "loved" me but "not in that way"; while meanwhile these gals would traipse off with just about any dude they happened upon in a bar, then tell me their regrets the next day as I was their confessor figure.  It hurt, but I'd be damned to show or acknowledge it.

It's unfortunate that so many gals can't get it on with guys they like because they are afraid it will destroy the platonic relationship that they desire.  They are probably right since I experimented with this just a few years ago with an old girl friend, and the whole affair crashed and burned.

Nice guys like me will always be a dime a dozen on the other hand, so to answer your question I'd have to say:

It's a draw.

And I don't think things will ever change.

he has been chasing her for a while without getting anywhere

If he wants her to be his girlfriend, then he is fine. Well, maybe or maybe not depending on the actual details of the situation.  

Of course, after that I would mock you relentlessly for the rest of your life about how lame you were... But that's what friends do.

He already knows he is a close friend. She has made it clear she doesn't want to date him. He thinks if he sticks around and pays for everything, she will eventually date him.

Fucking Chunks also writes soap operas..

How could he be a fool by not shelling out $400 for it?

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You might want to rephrase this.  It sounds bad.  Do you have a daughter, sister, or mother?  Would you want them referred to as a pussy to be obtained?

Lemmy will explain better than I can.

However, I assume Jane is a human being with a pussy that Mike wants to become acquainted with.  

One of the wisest things my therapist ever told me was:

If you want gals to stand in line for you, then get out of the line for them.

He also told me to be careful what I wish for, because I could get it

He was absolutely right on both counts.

I didn't see anything where Mike felt he was "deserving" of having sex with Jane. I thought the OP was pretty clear they were good friends, he liked her a lot, and he wanted to take the relationship to another level, though she had reservations. I didn't pick up any sense of entitlement on his part, just a desire.

... you said that Mike is a close friend of Jane.  You also said that Jane is a friend of Mike.  And you said that Mike is not one of her clients, they're not dating, and there's been no sex between them.

sounds just as bad as escorts wanting mostly money from men
instead of getting to know them without having to be paid for it.

maybe Mike and Jane are really Fucking Fairies in this tail...

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We know that the ladies only want the money going in.

This woman intentionally cadges free stuff from the guy based on the perpetuation of a false hope of a sexual relationship.  

Mike is young, HOT & SINGLE, with no wife, kids, support payments, and barnacles etc- if he's gotten this far OTC dating a lady who is hot enough to Provide...

If Mike's desire was purely sexual, he'd cough up the money and pay his "friend".

and then rethink your "hot enough to Provide" comment.  

My guess is most people would find it uncomfortable and slightly awkward to offer money to a "really close friend" for sexual favors.  

but I have no idea what you are trying to convey with your message.

You are very kind and I appreciate the compliment.

Are you the TER drama king.  

As Mike, I might be chasing her in the hope of one day getting that pussy for free but I wouldn't be too sincere about it. I would still also be chasing other pussies or fuck prostitutes in the meantime. I would consider the hanging out and chasing some kind of long-range investment.

Confucius say macdaddy dropped watch in toilet and bound to have shitty time.

Have been like Mike. I know I have. Once I learned to not chase, life became much easier and happier for me. Still have relapses ever so often, because I am good at being a fool sometimes... lol.

clearly you have no clue what a discussion is. TSTT

Maybe Mike can Blow some Chunks up Jane's ass..

Who is the bigger idiot?

Mistake number 1: I should have really done more research beforehand. Found some reviews of her.
 
 
Mistake number 2: Thinking with my dick that the price was acceptable.
After the call I google search the images. Turns out they belong to a tumblr/twitter girl. Fuck. I go into defensive mode. Wasn't sure what I was now in for - bait and switch, robbery, sting? I hide my valuables, prepare $20-40 to send her on her way.
 
 
Mistake number 3: I should have called immediately and called it off with an excuse.
Half an hour later, I give her a call, asking where she was. Says she'll be there in a few minutes. I confront her about the pictures, she says it's 100% her. Suuuure.
 
 
Mistake number 4: I should have really called it off there.
15 minutes pass. I begin thinking it was just a prank, getting a bit more relaxed. I give her another call, just in case. She says the exact same thing (she'll be there in a few minutes) and hangs up.
Ok definitely not happening, she doesn't sound like she's in a car or going anywhere.
 
 
Mistake number 5: I should really have known that she was just there to take calls.
So I now let out a sigh of relief, thinking it's over. I get ready for bed. Then my phone rings. Not the same number. I answer, ask who it is, it's apparently her (different voice), she's in front of the house.
Fuuuuck. I gather myself, say I'll be out in a minute. Grab the $40 to send her on her way. Open the door. Obviously not the girl from the pictures. I invite her inside so that neighbors don't get suspicious. She's still quite attractive, just not drop dead gorgeous like the pictures would suggest.
I confront her about it, that she looks nothing like that. She asks if I'm not happy. I tell her it's quite disingenuous and that I don't like to be lied to.
 
 
Mistake number 6: I should have told her goodnight.
I didn't.  
 
I have an angry wank and here I am, writing this shit. Fuck. Someone tell me I'm not the first guy to make so many stupid calls in one night?

Male friends who aren't sniffing around our treats? I'd like to have me some of those, instead of being called a bitch or "only after $" for not banging everyone we know.  But hey, we are just whores so  it's not like we have anything to say about who we do/don't fuck.  Lately, that is getting old and even so, I still have 3 "friends" who I've "friendzoned" aND "I dont care to give a chance to."  I personally would run away right now, with someone who Would just be my friend and not saying stuff to try to provoke my jealousy  ( i got it. You have some dates. Dont care still), and not be just a massive pain in general.  and don't get me started on the one that is cute,  wants to date the provider he paid last week ("I don't judge I just think you're fun to be with.") Is that the way he feels when he calls her an ugly name or throws it up in her face that "oh you can fuck that guy and blah blah but I actually CARE and get nothing., so blehhh. Bottom line, let the providers decide what will go inside their vaginas and when...and for goodness sake stop trying  to date us if you Think that little of our mental faculties and all..  You think you're the first person to play that on her? That she doesn't know she will  get dumped as soon as she actually needs you for anything besides your tendency to get in and get out? Please. We may be whores but we aren't yours. Knock off the head games and be men we can actually get hot for instead of just acting entitled to drain our mental energy, time, and self esteem with YOUR issues. Bottom line: your personal issues are not my problem, and if you want to really get on MY good side, then the word friendzone is not in your vocabulqry.  If you wanna pay for sexx then just do it, quit trying to strong arm your way in with favors and crap we don't need.  It not only tends to fail, fbut makes ya look like a douchecanoe when the inevitable ol speech doesn't go your way. I Swear , If A Man's Ego were to be converted to food, thered be so many people sitting on their asses, too self important to do anything but decide other people didn't deserve it...and thered be starving people ANYWAY...because entitlement wouldn't apply for anyone but the people who carry all that ego/baggage/food .  I'd like to see the fellows in these conundrums not treat us as novelty items, and to Consider all the reasons why we might not be required to fill your breadbasket/caress your ego . Not that it matters why too much, but sometimes a woman just wants do things that dont require her to be on guard constantly, and having to explain ourselves to you constantly Is nothing but DRAINING.  We are over it.

And most women know in a matter of a short period if time if they are going fuck someone, she probably won't, then he is a fool for continuing to try and win her with dinners etc.  

I have had guys see me as you described. They were the biggest assholes too.