It is my opinion that without sex, man's life would be so happy forever, but , however , since sex does exists, men will have be lose all rational at certain point and think with the "other head" to find out later, that was such mistake, that cost him , his reputation, his money, his everything.
example, Mr. President Clinton, a successfull man, powerful man, president of all presidents, who can have the whole world if he wanted, but, when the other head say "do it", there is no thinking clear, result: he endup doing a fat girl who work around the office, quick BJ . Price to pay: we all know by now.
If only sex didn't existed......
laughing and crying
yours truly

...if most men agree that without sex they would be 'happy forever'.  You make it sound like Clinton had some sort of affliction he couldn't control. Well, he was a adult, he was totally responsible for his actions, all this bull about men not being able to control themselves is just that, IMHO: bull.  We all make choices in life, we may live to regret them but we do have a choice.

I love the way those of you in this business are so willing to condem men for their actions.  What does that say about you women.  Carrie did you ever make a choise or is it only men who you see as week?   I don't happen to see this activity as a weekness but a reward for hard work and the stress of live.  But I am glad I never happened to see you or those who feel like you.
As some here have said it is clear for you it is all about the Money and damn the men.

am getting really tired of people making excuses for their own behavior. THis post is one for the record books. Because sex exsists, then men will lose everything. What a crock. Even if posted in jest it is not funny becaujse too many people actually feel this way.

Bill Clinton did what a whole lot of powerful men did, he used his authority and charm to get a blow job from a young girl. She was just as responsible as he was. She was of age and knew the score. And she got her noteriety which is helping her sell heer little handbags at Macys and Saks 5th Ave.

The women in this business are responsible for their actions as well as the men. It is all in how you behave.

If sex did not exsist, then the human species would find some other "addiction" to lay their problems off on and the psycho therapists would have to reseach something more interesting.

Come on and lets all pretend that we are responsible for ourselves and what goes on in our lives. Its a fascinating concept don't ya think?

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While undressing for bed one night, good ole Bill notices something like a red rash around his you know what.

Alarmed, he thinks, "I can't let Hillary see this!" He makes an appointment to see his doctor at Bethesda Naval Hospital, the very next day.

"Doc," he says, "I've got this red ring around my, you know. What is it and how do I get rid of it?"

The doctor says, "Well, I'm not exactly sure what it is, but take these pills for a week, and see if that takes care of it. If not, come back and we'll try something else."

Bill takes the pills for a week but unfortunately, the red ring is still there after 7 days. He goes back to the doctor and tells him the pills didn't help.

So the doctor prescribes another medication, capsules this time, and gives him the same instructions. Take them for a week, and come back if it's not improved.

He takes the capsules for a week, and damn, the red ring is still there! So he goes back to the doctor and asks,"What next?"

The doctor gives him a cream in a tube this time. "Rub this on every day for a week and let me know.

"Bill goes back in a week and says, "Great news Doc! The rash is gone! That stuff in the tube was wonderful! What was it?"

The doctor replied, "Lipstick remover

I have read the accounts of women that have gone on testosterone treatments. They also say their libido goes way up and they finally understand why males act the way they do.
being sex driven is not bad as society makes us guys out to be. In fact it is what has driven men to strive for female approval for millions of years. We are as we are to be able to procreate.

Some of us tend to overdo it; Supersizing seemed like a good value at the time but then..

I know it is early and I have not completed my first cup of coffee here yet, but did that man say I would be happier WITHOUT sex? If that is the case, please take me off of that man's telephone call list. I for one not only enjoy the company of a woman in the biblical sense but actually require it. I don't know about the rest of the world, but if I don't take the "edge off" on a regular basis, I am NOT a happy camper. Sounds to me like someone doesn't enjoy paying for it. You DO have a choice in life here my friend, sooooooooo, stop complaining about it.

just not in the way he meant it!  

it's not that without sex we'd be happy, it's without a sex drive!

for the periods of time when i had zero sex drive (thanks to SSRIs) i was the happiest i'd ever been. granted some of it was the effects of the anti-depressants themselves, but more than anything i realized it was because i had no sex drive,  therefore lusted after no one, wan incapable of being manipulated by women (i mean in the good way) and never regretted not being able to get laid. i had incredible energy, enthusiasm and drive for the things that really matter (not to mention the money i saved!)

the minute i came off of that medication, the cursed sex drive returned (with a vengeane), i became as horny as a bull dog in heat, felt continually frustrated and on-edge, and regretted every failed attempt at copulating with the fairer sex (the one who's really in control of these things).  of course, one could say that this "misery" was due to the returning depression (having come off the drugs) but i don't think that applies in this case (cuz i wasn't clinically depressed)


sex subjugates men to women. it's not an entirely pleasant state of being for men. evolution demands it, therefore it exists.  if i had the choice to press a button to eradicate my sex drive (temporarily) i would do it in a heartbeat ... but then i'm kooky that way! LOL

"...when I had zero sex drive...I was the happiest I had ever been."

"I had incredible energy, enthusiasm and drive for the things that really matter".

"Sex subjugates men to women."

"If I had the choice...to eradicate my sex drive (temporarily), I would do it in a heartbeat..."

I feel at peace with who I am and with the effect my sex drive has on me and the influence it has in what I prioritize in my life, and therefore I...

am at my happiest when I have a loving partner who in responsive to my sex drive and helps me experience it as part of a healthy relationship, which matters to me much more than any job, possession, or personal achievement ever could...

feel incredible energy, enthusiasm and drive when there is someone special in my life that I think I am sharing it with and building a future with...

feel that sex brings me together with a woman in a way I would not be able to appreciate her with otherwise and subsequently brings me to a higher understanding of myself in the process...

would never do away with my sex drive, as it is part of what defines me, and I am at peace with it and the role it plays in my life.

If anything, it is my insecurities that I would do away with, for they have affected me more negatively in my personal decisions and in my relationships than my sex drive ever could.

Sex can be a mind enhancer, if you are at peace with it and respect your partner.  FEAR is the mind killer.

I once read an article about a woman journalist who took a (high) male dose of testosterone just to see its effects on her libido.

Within hours, she was actively eying EVERY man in sight and evaluating him as a possible sex target, including her friend's husband whom she had never thought twice about sexually. It was a real eye-opener for her and a very interesting article to read from a woman's perspective.

In this business I hear all kinds of stories from men who love their wives but tell me their sex life is stale. Although they don't want to hurt their wives by being unfaithful, the urges are very very strong and difficult to ignore.

It's brought down presidents and clergymen....a very strong force indeed.

by this response to Carrie's post, and don't know where it's coming from, Slow. I can see you have some things on your mind, but don't find it relative to her post, m'dear.
I think Carrie's post was a good one and feel I understood her message just as she meant it. I didn't think she meant or implied anything demeaning towards men at all - I don't think she is a person who even thinks that way.
Hopefully, you've reread her post, or have had a chance to correspond with her to have an understanding. I certainly would hope that someone would take the time to have a clearer understanding from me if they've misinterpreted a post of mine.
Interesting thing, this communication! Even more difficult when we are reading the WRITTEN word.
Carrie is a fine provider (needs NO defense from me) with an envious loyal following.

without a powerful male sex drive, the human race would have ceased to exist a long time ago. we wouldn't be happy, we'd be EXTINCT.

however, pursuing sex to the point that it controls your life, drains your bank account, or threatens your work, family, or personal life is an addiction no different than alcohol, drugs, tobacco, gambling, etc.

It is women like Chrissy who make the force in us so strong.

Well, I'd be curious to know what my levels of all the various hormones are, then, if I could get someone to agree to test.
But what are the standards used, just as we discussed in Shaye's 'Addiction' thread? Just how much MORE is the man's drive versus the woman's and how can it be compared?
And what is the norm? So, if there's nothing to compare it against, then how does anybody know?
Just as I said in the other thread, I'm told my drive is high, but to me, it seems normal. How does it compare with most women; but how also does it compare with most men?
And it's not so much (the point) in how high the drive but in how they (men) react to it that I think was part of different peoples' points in their posts. One is still responsible for their actions (everyone - men, women). Sure, I might like to have 'it' two or three times a day, but, living alone..how's that gonna work? So, if I grab the Pool Guy and pounce on him, can I just apologize and say I simply have a high sex drive?
I don't think anyone has a problem with men's high sex drives (I know I don't - we love it!), but I think since almost every magazine you pick up has an article excusing men's 'programming' from their actions is what some have mentioned they are objecting to.

... see the "condemnation of men" that "Slowstart" seemed to read into your post.  In fact I would suggest that he alone read your post in that way. Perhaps he simply can't afford you and this may be the way in which his frustration manifests itself.

I can't afford you either but I hold out the slim hope of someday winning the California Lottery and well if they ask me on the telly "What's the first thing you are going to do with the money?" my reply will be to catch the next flight to   London

Of course we all make choices in life and "Slowstart" simply didn't seem to pick up on the fact that you apparently include yourself in that statement, and likewise we may live, to at times, regret some of the choices we make. Perhaps he has some regrets over choice of words.

I'm regretting that I didn't choose the right numbers in the lottery this week!!

I think animals got it right..male need it..finds female...position himself behind her and ...done!
we in the other hand, pay $300 to $1000 an hour for what we think is a "good time". I had some "good times" at $300 a pop that still pisses me off when I think of it.. I couldn't go back and say, Hey, I didn't enjoy my self , especially with those YMMV.. once the money is in their hands , you are done.
or the other way around , when I came out after the "hour" exactly 59 minutes !NO MORE!, an hour is an hour even if it was great.. I fell so good, so strong, so powerfull..Ah! so good!
until next day when I need it again.. and look into my wallet and look for more money...and all because sex..
meantime.. provider is laughing all the way to the bank...
bitter? yes! f'kng sex! ...
I wish I was born a dog, or a pig or a horse..
I would never have to worry about getting a piece...

Bianca!

I dated a woman for a number of years who had her hormone levels tested at various times.  When she was in her 20's and 30's her testosterone levels were at the high end of the range for women.  She told me during those years she was like a sexual predator, and just basically f*cked any guy she could manage.  She told me she didn't know how many men she'd been with, but was sure it was in the thousands.  I have no reason whatsoever to doubt her either.

By the time I met her (late 30's), her sex drive was waning (just my luck) and it finally just stopped (no, it wasn't me, either).  It concerned her to the point where she had her hormones tested again.  This time, she had almost no measurable testosterone.  Some of you may not know that women are supposed to both estrogen and testosterone (just in much lower levels than men).  Testosterone levels play a key role in regulating a woman's sex drive (same as in men).

Hormones are powerful things, and both men and women can vary greatly and still be in the "normal" range.  If more women realized what men really experience, it might (only might) help us co-exist a little bit better.  Similarly, if more men understood the affects of estrogen on someone, it might result in a lot fewer arguments and hard feelings (npi).  But in the mean time, men are destined to be perpetually attracted to women who are, for the most part indifferent.  

-- Modified on 9/8/2003 12:52:01 AM

I think it Aristotle Onasis (sp?) who once said that without women (sex), all the money in the world would not be worth anything. Yes, sex causes many problems, but for me, life without God's lovely beauties would not be as full and wonderful.

I'd like to offer my services as your "pool guy".

its not a big deal unless you're not getting any.  But seriously, life would be stupid without sex.  I wouldn't be "happy forever", I would be forever cranky.

Good day to you sir!
cy