What I have found in the past with civvie relationships and talking to friends about their marriage issues is women want us to listen !!!   That's right listen to your lady!!  We are guys and want to fix everything or any problems.  Women just want us to listen not help them fix issues, drama, or problems they might face.   If they ask for advise, by all means give it.   But if they don't ask just listen.  If you do that your relationship or marriage will have a chance

Those are both great things and I think with confidence comes listening.  I don't want to ring my own bell but I have had three escorts wanted more than sex or fucking and I think it's what London said, it's confidence.   Most men in this hobby have none that's why they pay for sex.  At least a lot of them.   I don't want to generalize.  And piss of these guys that are old, fat dude that can't get laid.

Hi MR. F,
 
He's intelligent, slim, has a good job, yet, his jaw would be a deal breaker??

the BBW hooker crowd on the old fat dudes  LOL

That's their mantra....the funny part is that most of the boys that play here are in pretty decent shape, not bad looking, and have a shit load more self-confidence than most.  Not to mention they also have the disposable buckaroos to buy pussy.

That's why the BBW hookers cry foul...and why only those that really are confident in their own skin last in this biz.  The others...well, they can still work behind the scenes  LOL

Maybe a hooker does have a good answer.

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When you got it, you don't publish it.

Women love celebrities no matter what they look like.  Example:  Rock stars

I'm guessing many here have money....and most didn't make it because they lacked confidence.  

Many of the providers who post here say they don't mind a guy who is out of shape or whatever as long as they are treated with respect and the guy is intelligent, can carry on a conversation, and has a good sense of humor, etc.

One gal even said one of her favorite clients was a guy who weighed almost 400 pounds.

have to say about the business.

Most on here...sans London and Saturn, just babble the hooker mantra.

The stories that the gals discuss with those they are friends with make me understand what is really important here for the gals to be successful.

And most johnnie boys really don't want to know the real story.

either way with a guy who is paying me. As long as he is clean, respectful, and does not rip me off...that's all I ask.

Only nice guys say that. You know, those who finish last. Girls have their bff's or their therapists to talk to. What girls want from men is security/stability (especially financial) which is initially manifested in confidence. What you're referring to as "listening skill" might be empathy, which is broader than the ability to listen.

Independence, yes, as long as it's a component of leadership. Actually, if you sum it up in one word, it's leadership. Clinton, Petraeus, etc. It's all about evolutionary psychology, whether you realize or not.

I've seen guys waiting for the gate to open after keying the code. There's of course the old fat dude, but many are younger (may be 30's) and pretty decent. But of course I'm not sure they were there to see a provider. In any case, there's a reason hasty generalization is a fallacy. In my case, I like sex, lots of it, without the drama and the bitching you get from many civvies. I already have enough civvies to make my life complicated and enough money to see providers.

Let me also clarify, that cockiness is not the same thing as confidence. I am speaking more about men who don't need to have a woman constantly reassuring them they are ok, and can live without her not being up their ass all the time. Having a life of their own aside from living it based on how she treats them.

I agree with everything you wrote. That's why I invite my girls to join my lifestyle (except hobbying ) rather than the opposite. What makes a man attractive to women is what makes him attractive to everybody including other men. I.e., the alpha male. Charisma, proactive leadership, power. Usually it's the guys who have the looks and the wits who have them. I mentioned evolutionary psychology in my other post below because in the end we're still conditioned by instinct to propagate our genes by selecting the fittest partner even if reproduction is not our goal in sex. Tell me I'm wrong.

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I was responding to Fido, not the OP.

Not fair to put all ladies under the same umbrella in terms of wants/needs/etc.

yet he was the ONLY guy who had me hanging on a damn string for 4 years. I did not even make it a year with 2 husbands lol.

but explaining the initial attraction is impossible. There are as varied reasons as there are different types of people. Once you get past that, I would say a sense of strength. Someone who will take care of her in a multitude of ways. Someone who is not clingy or needy. Furthermore, it's the little thoughtful things that mean the most. My SO goes to the store when I often forget an ingredient for dinner with a chuckle. Remembering a dish pattern I like and surprising me with it. But he's always the "man" of the house in a loving way.