From hearing so many different opinions I am curious to know more about the difference between GFE and PSE. I’ve been told that I do both for years but o thought it’s just called good service (I don’t put a name on many things) I am interested to know more if anyone can elaborate

I would generally charachterize GFE as more of a friendlier, welcoming and passionate encounter whereas, PSE is more vocal, louder, and based more on the physicality rather than the passion. So its def about attitude, imo, but personally I think certain sex acts separate the two as well.  
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GFE is a bit more romantic, with deep, passionate, lengthy kissing, hugging/snuggling, with the intercourse more of a slower "love making" style, for lack of a better term.  
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PSE is more often associated with harder core, more physical, typically out of the ordinary sexual positions, which usually includes dirty talking, CIM/swallow, anal, etc. Of course some of these things will cross over, as again, they are very vague terms.  
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Generally speaking, I would view GFE as more like a real date with great convo, laughs etc while PSE is more centered solely on the more intense sexual/physical aspects.

There are no strict or generally accepted definitions of either. Everyone has their own opinions on what these terms mean.

GFE tends to be more clear. The variance and expectations don’t seem to differ quite as much. DFK, BBBJ, and covered full service are almost always in this package. FIV and DATO maybe but are more YMMV. Small talk and cuddling are also usually on the table. I think for many men, GFE was the evolution from the days that not kissing at all, or at least not with tongue, seemed to be more common. It took having sex without connecting to a more intimate place where it felt like you were paying to make love to a girlfriend, and not just having hooker sex.

 
PSE has more variance and lacks clarity. For some, it means mixing in BDSM, and nothing more. It might mean faster paced and harder fucking. It might involve skull fucking. In some cases, it means Greek is included. And, there are cases where it means BBFS. I find PSE to be more frustrating because it varies too much. When providers say they offer PSE but refuse to reveal their menu, I’m typically not interested in paying for that service because I have no idea what to expect.

If I had to break it down to one specific sexual act I would narrow it down to anal.

As a bonus I would add CIM & if she swallows she's a winner. 😋  

YMMV is the golden rule.  

You have 175 reviews over 14 years and are rated as 15th in your market. You clearly know what you're doing... and are good at it.  
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Would you like help rebranding, or updating/word-smithing your offerings?  
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FWIW I also am not a fan of label/rule/upcharge specific offerings and consider discovering what a new friend enjoys part and parcel of the FUN this demimonde offers (winking at you, RR😘).

Gfe is going to be just that. An experience like you are with your civvie. Kissing. Cuddling. No rubber will be involved.  

PSE there wont be a comdom in sight and you are going to get in all holes. Ass to mouth will be a thing. You can double dip from ass to pussy to mouth to whatever you like. A true porn star experience.  

Ive been in this hobby longer than most on here. These are the true definitions of these services. Go on and argue about it. The gals that dont want to provide these services but want to claim on their ads that they offer these services will be the first to complain.

Love the question! Although, I  don't think you're going to get a consensus and that kind of proves the point.

 
When I came into the industry, GFE was sweet, sensual, intimate and no upselling. It should include LFK, DFK, oral receiving and giving (covered or uncovered depended on who you asked), and CFS for sure. Whereas, PSE meant higher energy, more primal BBBJ, CFS, Covered Greek, CIM, COF, swallowing, rimming, etc... things you'd actually see in porn. It could still include some of the sensual aspects of GFE during "downtime"/recovery time. However, it just meant more was on the table. That was the distinction and it felt pretty clean. Oh, and there might be submissive services included (or as an add on) but usually BDSM was always its own separate thing. Then somewhere along the way things shifted and now you have just as many people assuming PSE means what it used to mean as much as it means BBFS, which... is a whole separate conversation.  

 
That being said, I think it's really important for each of us to do what we find is best for our business. For me, I have done the risk assessment and found a way to dictate what I'm comfortable with on my ads and website without dropping explicit menus. And then I let prospective clients know that I'm happy to discuss specifics after screening. It's worked well for me and clients haven't felt lied to and/or surprised when I stipulate "x, y, and z" aren't allowed.  

 
If I may, just a gentle reminder about asking for "menus".  We are in the US where this is criminalized. Asking for a menu of services before you have proven that you're not affiliated with LE is a huge red flag for most independent providers. We are not operating out of parts of Australia or Europe. What I find endlessly amusing is that many forum users will say they want this to feel like a real connection and not a transaction but are the first ones to say "but I need to know exactly what I'm getting." The irony is not lost.  

 
Don't get me wrong. From a business POV/consumer POV, I get it. And at the same time, this industry has specific nuance so at times, when clients ask for a menu before any rapport has been built I often have to laugh and shake my head.

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While this is the desire for many men, if we're talking from contact to the end of the appointment, it's really near impossible. The closest I came to this was when I picked up a lady who was freestyling at a bar. I did not know she was an escort. After we had sex, she asked me if I was generous. On one side, she had me feeling this was a real connection. On the other side, I was like, wtf you're popping this on me now? So she accomplished the closest to a real connection by tricking me. That last question was the needle in a balloon moment. Everything I thought had happened, fizzled away like a poked balloon flying and deflating in the air.

 
If we are being fair and honest, a provider is not establishing that she's a provider after sex. This is established in the beginning. And, from that moment, there has to be some element of transaction. And, this is for both of us. Many ads and websites are transactional in nature. Booking forms or booking details by email/text are transactional. Screening is transactional. Sending a deposit is transactional. Going to the bank to get cash, put it in an envelope, and leave it discreetly where told is transactional. Reading reviews is transactional. Bottom line, elements of transactional are unavoidable. And, as a client, I do find it important to have an idea of what to expect. That's why I'm a TER guy though. I don't ever ask for a menu. I just read the reviews. If she doesn't have them, she is not for me. Too much risk that I will be disappointed.

 
This does not mean a real connection cannot be established. This is where the art comes in. Once business has been handled, flipping that switch is what sets certain providers apart. And from reading your reviews, there are not many better at it than you, so I am sure I am saying nothing you do not know. If any client or provider expects there will not be any elements of transactional, that's just unrealistic.

Many US based women do not want specific sex acts mentioned even after screening and prior to meeting, especially for the first time. They just dont want anything graphic/illegal, and thus potentially incriminating, in writing at all. I am not saying they are the majority, but they absolutely exist in large numbers.

I am sure she is spot on with the ones she is referring to.
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I am def one that looks for the "connection" in many cases, but not all. But I think it is fools gold to ever think I will "know exactly what I'm getting." The providers profile page, her reviews and her reviewers informing me of things privately all help, and can point me in the most likley direction of what I will LIKELY engage is with the lady, sex act wise, but I have been surprised to the upside, and downside, on several occasions, as i am sure we all have.
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That all beig said, the overwhelming majority of meet ups turn out as my research suggests so I am not complaining at all. I think keeping ones expecations in check is a learned trait that comes with experience. I very rarely have a bad time or even an average one, but had many of each when i first started.  
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Nothing beats experience and knowing what to look for and how to look for it, especially in this day and age with so many women opting out of "review culture."

Robert, I appreciate that. But as a note, I did lean pretty heavily on "for me" and "what works for me" language throughout my response quite intentionally. The phrases "important for each of us to do what we find is best for our business," "for me," "what I'm comfortable with," "it's worked well for me"?  Those weren't accidental.  

 
That's the thing about advice: take what works and toss what doesn't.

I want to gently push back on the switch flip framing though because I think it undersells what can actually happen when this works well. Warmth doesn't have to arrive AFTER business is handled. It can be there the whole time, from the moment the first email or text comes in to the moment you leave. Yes, the transaction piece is unavoidable at one or two points, but it's about making it the quietest part of the room. And yes, it takes time to figure out how to do that. So, thank you for acknowledging my craft. I do think it's an art.  

 
Anyway, I'm going to gracefully bow out before I accidentally turn this into Signal-gate 2.0.

Recognizing that even with all that research, and whatever other expectations you have, it still might not be exactly what you expect is important. Any client who comes in and thinks they know exactly what will go down is contributing to making it feel transactional. Just as much as the provider needs to be able to flip that switch to make a connection, so does the client.

 
I had a recent experience where I planned to do a number of things. But I didn't do everything I planned, and I did some things I had not planned. I did these because it's what felt right in the moment. Once we engaged, I spent less time thinking about what I had planned, and more time thinking about the woman in front of me and what felt natural. It's this moment where both the client and provider need to see and be seen that allows it to fell like a real connection.

When you said "Asking for a menu of services before you have proven that you're not affiliated with LE is a huge red flag for most independent providers" the inference there is that it is ok to ask most providers about sex acts after screening and prior to meeting, and in that sentence at least, it can come across that you were speaking for others and not just yourself.
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I hope you dont think I am being overly nit picky, but its an important distinction as the people who are brand new and are lurking, are not the same as the experienced vets who post in this space often. I often post with those less experienced in mind as well as I remember all too well what it was like to be new.
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I help out a great number of new guys to this realm, and have done so for years, so my point, while it was in response to your post, was really meant for a wider audience of new/newer clients to the demimonde, as I didn't want them to think its perfectly fine to talk about illegal sex acts after verification with every woman as, trust me on this, they could find themsleves in potentially very hot water if they do so.  
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Honestly, it wasnt at all about correcting you, personally, as it was about informing others of the potential negatives of taking such actions. I hope that makes sense.

Paige,

You are not being rude at all.  I appreciate that you are disagreeing but not being disrespectful.  Huge difference, so I hope no one is rude to you for your opinion.

I am one of those guys that likes to go into details before a date.  Yes, it seems weird when I always want a genuine connection and conversation as well.  I see why you have that point of view.  But I also don't want the awkwardness of, "I paid x and expected y."  It's nice to get the details out of the way so we can enjoy ourselves when we meet.  Hopefully, if we ever do, it doesn't feel too awkward for you.

QueenBia was on the right track with this. Some people in this thread make it way too complicated. They’ll claim these terms are vague or poorly defined but the opposite is true. These words indicate that a specific act is included
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GFE basically means DFK, aka kissing with tongue, is included. There may be a little more to it but that’s the basic requirement. If there is no DFK, the session isn’t GFE. LFK is an oxymoron and doesn’t count. If there’s cuddling but no DFK it doesn’t count either.  
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For PSE, QueenBia had the best response. PSE means Anal is included. It may also include COF/CIM but at a minimum it is anal. No anal than no PSE.
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Reviewers are fairly consistent with their expectations and consensus is fairly well established. If a provider doesn’t DFK, they’ll say in their review that she isn’t GFE. If she does anal, they call her PSE.

Per your defintion, sex with an ACTUAL porn star that inlcudes hard core fucking, numerous out of the ordinary positions like standing 69, standing mish, sex on a table top, etc and COF/CIM/swallow, all the while with extreme dirty talk is def not PSE bc there was no anal? I dont many people would agree with that, even if you take the pornstar out and replace her with a p4p woman or SO.  
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The fact is, there is no uniform definition of these terms as numerous threads on this topic over many years, including THIS one will attest, as so many have differing standards/opinions for what constitutes each.  
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If "consensesus was fairly well established" as you assert, why is there so many of these completely different takes on these terms whenever this topic comes up? There is no consensus and that just goes to the complexity and vagueness of terms that are not operationally defined as well as not being universally agreed to.

Welp it sounds like I’m more of a PSE +GFE 😅lol

Interesting. I always thought GFE included Greek. I guess I’m more on a PSE side (but definitely NO BBFS).

Wow for over 20 years in this industry I’ve been assuming that’s all a part of GFE and have been providing this. I guess I need to go up in price 😄

Thank you! That’s exactly why I asked 😊
The more opinions I hear, the more it seems GFE is one of those terms everyone recognizes but nobody defines exactly the same way

There is ZERO consensus. Hell, I've even heard someone say GFE means BBFS because that's what you'd get if she really was your girlfriend. That said, the Self-Help Guide includes a definition of both, so here it is just in case it hasn't been posted in this thread yet....

Indeed. One of the reasons I asked was because I really dislike discussing the menu over the phone/email because of those safety/LE reasons. And most clients have been assuming that’s PSE means BBFS and I Don Not offer that(if I did that would be $20k plus package and testing results 24 hours prior to) lol. Clearly something has changed lately and the requests for BBFS have been bothering me so much lately but I just block those clients or suggest they go to backpage, tryst(seems like a cheap trashy site), or those other cheap sites

Thank you that was a pretty good thread 😊
Someone should specify on there No BBFS for PSE so that it is clear for clients… most watch porn where no condoms are used so they just assume I guess…

I too agree that there is not a consensus. But there is a line where I will say, you're dead wrong. And, that someone who said GFE means BBFS is dead wrong. And the idea that because that's what you would get from a girlfriend reasoning makes little sense. In most cases, the first time you have sex with your girlfriend, it's protected sex. And, that usually goes on for some time. The exact amount of time varies. For some, that preference sticks until you breakup. For others, there comes a point when you cross into BBFS. There is no hard and fast rule that her being your girlfriend means you're getting BBFS.

 
That said, her being your girlfriend (assuming you're in the having sex stage) certainly means there's DFK, BBBJ, FIV and/or FOV, cuddling, and small talk. In many cases, these come in stages before hitting a homerun. And, they do not get taken away because you're fucking.  

 
There are always exceptions. Though, one thing I never had a girlfriend or hookup do is slap a condom on before giving me a blowjob. In my experience, that has only happened with providers.

Consensus means a general or widespread agreement among a group of people. It does not mean unanimous or universal agreement. consensus can still exist even if there are minor disagreements or reservations.
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I think it is pretty easy to establish that consensus exists for GFE. Just look at this thread. You said that GFE includes “Deep, passionate, lengthy kissing.” Hehits said it should include “DFK.” Paige said “it should include LFK, DFK.” I said it includes DFK. Eight posters have replied to this thread. Four of them provided a definition of GFE. All of them mention DFK. It doesn’t seem like we all have completely different takes on the term. It seems like we are generally describing the same thing with some minor differences. That looks like a consensus to me. On top of that, there are various websites that define industry terms and acronyms. Every definition of GFE I’ve seen said it includes DFK. This looks like consensus to me.  
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For PSE, consensus is less established but it still exists. Again look at this thread. QueenBia said “ If I had to break it down to one specific sexual act I would narrow it down to anal.” Paige said “ Whereas, PSE meant higher energy, more primal BBBJ, CFS, Covered Greek, CIM, COF, swallowing, rimming, etc.” HeHits said “in some cases, it means greek is included.” Finally you said “ usually includes dirty talking, CIM/swallow, anal, etc.” Again, we have had 8 accounts reply to this post. 5 of them actually provided a definition of PSE. All 5 of them mention anal sex. This also looks like consensus to me. That’s how I can say it.

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GFE means covered sex in Kgirl language! The opposite of GFE is BB! The only question is does BB equate to PSE? If a woman told me upfront that I would have to pay extra for DFK upfront, I would probably cancel.  I’ve seen plenty of pornstars, and their offerings seemed similar to non pornstars. To me a good session is always a pornstar experience, but never BB!

If you're talking at minimum, than perhaps there is some consensus with GFE. Because sure, it would be hard to find a reasonable amount of people that would argue that GFE doesn't include DFK. Anything else we mentioned there may be more debate. Though, I would still argue that based on your definition of consensus, which sounds like most, not all, there may be other things included. But if we are picking the most common one, sure DFK still wins. But once you get past the "at minimum" or "most common" labels, there is still variance. Many providers and clients believe BBBJ is included in GFE. I have read scores of reviews where clients criticize a provider for advertising GFE and not offering BBBJ. Agreeing on what GFE means is not about finding the one thing that most of us agrees with, especially if there are other aspects that we do not agree on.

 
For PSE, you cherry picked a little to make your point. QB clearly said if she had to choose one thing. That does not mean she believes it's always the case. I said "in some cases" which is very clearly me saying it's not always the case. Robert said "in most cases" which also is clearly him saying not in every case. There are ads and websites where providers list PSE and separately list Greek as an extra. Perhaps if you tallied it all up, Greek would be the most common. But it's not the high percentage slam dunk that DFK with GFE is. And again, this is looking from the if we had to pick one thing lens. And, like GFE, consensus is not about the one thing most of us will agree on. If there is plenty we also don't agree on, using the one more of us agree on and deciding that is the definition, well that's cherry picking.

I would think the overwhelming majority would say PSE can still exist WITHOUT anal. My example showed that and I noticed you didn’t push back on that at all.  
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No, one, single act defines PSE. It’s more a cumulative affect of differing activities coupled with a much more aggressive and  animalistic type encounter.

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