I swear it has become an epidemic with some of the more upscale providers placing the dreaded "No AA" in their ads. You even see some that say "No AA under the age ___". Is it really that bad or is it just a preference? As an hobbyist, my preference are AA women but on occasion there is a Latina, Caucasian provider that gets my attention. I guess the question is, are AA men the cause of most of the mischief that goes on among providers?

she simply gets to choose, and owes no explanation. No one is entitled.

AA cause enough problems that girls have to put "No AA" in their ads. The girls that use "No AA" in the ads are at least kind and let you know directly.  Most girls ask for ethnicity question on the form you have to fill out to see her.  And, find an excuse or never get back to potential client that is an AA.

I think we should get TER's "Chief Archivist" to count exactly how many times this question actually has been asked.

Providers weed out non-black thug like guys.

I know white guys like assume too, but when I see an ad featuring a black woman, with a 50+ inch ass that says no AA... WTF? That would be the majority of your potential client base.

In their case it can't be prejudice and is often based on experience.  Said policies suck for the many decent AA mongers, but there you have it.
As someone above said, "Their bodies, their rules."

Lowpaw, FakawiTribe ignore this posting.

you will find many threads regarding the no A.A  
This topic is like beating a dead horse.
How about this?Instead of giving energy and time into wondering why some providers have no A.A in their ads have fun with the ladies who do see A.A. gents.

Does that mean they don't want clients that go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? Yea, recovering drunks can be a handful but really at least they are trying to improve their lives.  I think if I was a sex worker I rather see a recovering alcoholic then an unrepentant drunk. Then again what go I know? In the end it is their body and they can limit access to it how they feel is best. It is the right of every human to do so.

I'll just give you the win because 1739 has to be pretty close. Remember when dick size threads used to be the most common topic?
I think the no AA policy questions surpassed the dick thread question a few years ago and continues to be the most common question.  
Yawn.

Why is it illegal? Because it's a civil rights issue. In this hobby a woman can decide who she does or does not want to see. In a legitimate business you can't. Period.

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to go along with my no UA policy.

I suppose we'll probably have a dick size thread before the day is over now that you have mentioned it. lol

A business that fails to service customers will go out of business.

who knows who post those ads, but I've seen it.

Recovering alcoholics join AA, recovering drunks nurse hangovers. lol

Especially if they see unrepentant drunks.

Man, that's fuck up.......but we'd probably wouldn't see you...our dicks, our dinero.
I've never seen an ad before where it stated ,"Sorry, no cholos"....lol

Either way I have a no UA policy. AA is tolerable in comparison. Not great by any means, but "tolerable by comparison"

But because of that, I don't disdain the rest of the white men out there. There are good and bad in every race.  

I do have one rule, I have to be the biggest drunk in any relationship I am in, and I prefer to be the biggest drunk in the bed as well.

"The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law."
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I do not think that a Provider's orifices are places of public accommodation. Without doing a more detailed search, I cannot cite case law to support that assumption.
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I am also guessing that many Providers, if asked by the IRS, would claim that they are non-profit, hence, exempt from the CRA.  
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Businesses can discriminate based on other criteria, e.g.,

I am so sorry this topic gets dredged up so many times to everyone's dismay.  

I don't drink during the day and almost never drink before or during a session (though I tried it in CR), so I would take exception to her being drunk while I was with her.
As for Blasians I'm not sure which one I may have mentioned to you but the best example I can think of is Kayla Lavie.  Half Korean and half Black, all gorgeous.  Also hot.

As for myself, I believe that it's nighttime for half the planet at all times.  

If a service provider chooses states "No AA" it might not have to do with problems, but preference. To jump to the conclusion that it is due to problems AA cause, is the wrong assumption. What about hobbyists who do not hire AA providers or prefer to see AA providers only?

I am sure most women "prefer" not to see "old, fat, white, bald men" but they don't put that in their ads.

until they stranded me for 3 days in a backwater and refused nearly all of my out of pocket expenses.   Now they are on my shit list.

You might as well do so "shamelessly" as no one can give you a hard time about something when you own it. Kind of like me being an asshole, I don't just own it, I wear it as a badge of honor. So plug away. lol

I suppose you could stretch credibility and argue that a provider hosting at a hotel would be conducting business in an otherwise regulated accommodation, and is therefore governed by  42 U.S. Code §2000(b)4.  But let’s not lose sight of the fact that P4P is illegal and beyond constitutional protections drawn from Article 1 Section 8.

And PS started the conversation ... there was no reason to mention it much like the same can be said for FCs, BBFS and the other 100 topics that permeate the board regularly.  

"AA" means African American or Anal Annihilator.  

And I would never question you knowledge on drunks and their recovery. After all you would know far more on the subject.  

but that doesn't mean a lot of putas don't have that policy.

It is hard to find a topic here that has been more beat to death.  

It sucks that some providers or selective in that particular area but as a provider myself I find all raxes if any to be a problem. I dont believe "only AA" are trouble.  We are all entitled to pur own opinions so i presume the providers who discriminate on color of skin is their way to being "safe".

Due to the highly personal type of service that is being provided. BTW, if hooking were legal they would still be able to place such restrictions on their clientele. There are other personalized services that are legal that are allowed to do the same though cannot think of a good example right now. I would say selling pizza's would not be one of those services though.

As an Black person, I don't think anyone is saying that these women should be forced to see a black person.  When I see these ads I don't think to myself "I really want to see this person" or "I am going to force her to see me" or anything similar. I move onto someone that doesn't have these restrictions and give them my money.  

I haven't heard of this being an issue in any of the many countries that I have been to where P4P is legal, but our country is unique where it comes to being litigious, and "anything is possible" here.

True, but the doctrine of “separate but equal” was overturned in the 1950’s.

He turned out to be a car thief who couldn't drive.  

Like anyone whose knowledge exceeds their practical skills, he should become a teacher.

I know a white Provider who is only attracted to black men in her personal life. Every boyfriend she's had is black. She has 3 half black kids (from 3 different baby daddy's) and is now married to the father of one of them. She has a no AA policy on her ads. Obviously she is not racist. She is not stating her preference for white guys or non black guys. It's just the oppposite. She doesn't want to fall for one of her clients. She would prefer to see clients she would not date "in real life." Also could be she feels she is not "cheating" on her SO by not seeing black guys. It could also be the SO doesn't mind her working but doesn't want her seeing other black guys. I guaranty you there are others like her. The answers are not always do simple, but even in this case it comes down to "her body, her rules."

Really if that hurts your feelings, what are you going to do if you cross paths with LE?

I was thinking along your lines. I am an 40+ AA and I notice it more with certain provider types. I can literally look at an ad and start looking for the no AA in the ad...lol. Its funny and sad at the same time.

"I personally am AA and love my bronze men lol because that's what I'm attracted to. "
There you have it.  People can and do find attraction varies based on race.  

I think its fear and discrimination. I am not for it at all.

the opposite of what we hobbyists usually do.  We see providers that we WOULD date in real life, but rarely get to.  In many cases, they wouldn't date us in real life.  

One reason presented here is there is a black pimp, or at least a pimp involved with most no AA ads.

Stating history, does not answer the question.

thanks to clarify, i didn't know what it mean AA for me was Alcoholic Anonimus hahahahaha (sorry for my ignorance)

I have several different reasons why and I always explain if asked. I have made a few exceptions but its been few and far between. Most after we talk can understand (and even appreciate) one of my reasons. And Im always happy to recommend a friend who the gentleman can visit instead.

You wrote: "A business that fails to service customers will go out of business."
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In this context of racial of discrimination, you are wrong. Famously, Woolworth's only served white people at some of their lunch counters or had "separate but equal" sections for black and white customers. Woolworth's did not go out of business because of that long standing policy. FOLLOWING famous protests in 1960, Woolworth's changed their policy. Following passage of the Civil Rights Act, it would have been illegal to discriminate based on race and the ensuing lawsuits would have hurt business or shut them down.
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You wrote: "Does that sound like the will of the people." without a ?. As far as I know, federal law trumps the will of the people in many things. The will of the owners of places of public accommodation might be to discriminate against customers based on race. ILLEGAL! The will of the unaffected group of people might be, "Who cares? Doesn't affect me." but the CRA doesn't govern the behavior of customers. The will of the affected group of people might be, "Provide service or I will sue you." an action they can pursue under the law.
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You wrote: "Seriously would Amazon be where it is to day if they discriminated against customers?" Amazon operates under current laws and does not discriminate based on federally mandated criteria. So we'll never know, will we? Amazon DOES DISCRIMINATE against customers trying to use PayPal to pay for goods. THAT IS LEGAL. Many of those customers take their business elsewhere; others don't care and give Amazon a credit card number. The CRA does not protect PayPal users.
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You wrote: "The law seems unnecessary." You seem to be saying that the free market should dictate when and where owners can discriminate, yes? The Trumps were sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in their housing developments in New York City. It was one of the largest such cases up to that time. The Trumps were allowed to agree to a settlement without admission of guilt despite evidence and testimony proving their discriminatory policies and practices. The law WAS necessary to insure racial equality in housing, despite the will of a group of people to have it otherwise.
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You wrote: "Do you think being a provider is some how illegitimate?" Well, her business is illegal. See Rasha's replies. And, as stated, a Provider's orifices are not places of public accommodation and not subject to the CRA.

The guy you just spent all your time "debating" is a moron and could honestly not care less about anything you have to say, no matter how much time you spend creating a well crafted response.

Well put sir

And so fucking hot

I've been doing this for 7 years and rarely have I had a problem with my own kind. Then again, I don't see young AA men of anyone in general who gives off a thug vibe.  Black of white.  

First of all because I am not "debating" him.  I am simply shitting on his stupidity.  The facts I may dredge up are not directed at Euro, who is too far dim to understand them.  They are directed at the board in general.
The other reason you are unable follow said posts is that you are not exactly this board's Einstein.  More like its combative mushroom cap.

Do you believe people shouldn't have a choice of who they sleep with?

Since African American is an American concept AA, do not exist outside of America. They are black everywhere else in the world.  

Good points.

In Nevada a legal whorehouse is considered a place of public accommodation and cannot discriminate on the basis of race when it comes to admittance. However the girls  are independent contractors and can refuse to fuck a guy for any reason.

The question still remains unanswered.

I notice that providers who have the "No AA" rule 9 times out of 10 have low marks anyways.

This is something that is actually becoming a huge issue and it saddens me deeply. I've recently received an email that said just so you know I'm AA and my heart shattered. A lot of providers say it's their preference but that preference is rooted in prejudice. You're running a business and if any establishment such as a restaurant or clothing store refused to serve an entire group of people they'd be ridiculed and run out of business. If a client passes your booking requirements and doesn't give you a bad feeling then why wouldn't you see him?

but I completely agree that in the vast majority of the cases that "preference" is indeed rooted in prejudice.  How can refusing to see ANYONE from an entire race not be considered racist?  

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we force people to see anyone they don't want to. That would be absurd. I'm saying let's call it what it is. Straight up racism. It's pretty hard to find a more textbook example. This is not a "preference."  

and I have been saying it around here for years.

You said in the "majority" of cases it is based on racism. Vanco seemed to be saying it is always racism. I can actually agree with you on the majority thing. I totally disagree that it is always racism.

While the women with such policies are not "always" racists, the policy itself is "always" racist.

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For me it a combination of my neighborhood and neighbors.  Most dont want to be followed and stopped by the police - having to answer questions or getting a ticket they cant explain to a SO is not on their agenda.  I live in a nice yet highly patrolled area.  Been here for several years with no issues *knock on wood* so Im not looking to rock the boat. Also, it would look out of place with what my neighbors think I do for a side occupation which explains people stopping by for a short amount of time a few times a week. Im sure everyone has their own reasons - just ask.

Are you honestly claiming you have an NBA policy because you don't want them pulled over for "driving while black"???!!!

I guess what I was saying from the beginning is that not all providers who have that policy are racist, but you are right. I can't say the policy itself is not racist.  

The only providers that have a leg to stand on here are the ones who are genuinely not sexually attracted to black men.

This is an interesting topic. My reply take a long time and maybe not relevant now because I had to make sure I try to say it the right way.

Finally, the real reason is given.  Nothing to do with  not enjoying AA guys, it's about not rocking the boat.  It may be racist but so what!  Can anyone name me a person who is not racist?  

First of all, almost everyone is wrong when they call it racism.  It is culturalism.  Some cultures suck.  Most are really sub-cultures -- that is, a smaller group of people within a larger group have certain characteristic behaviors.

Call it what you will.....I am guilty of it

I believe it is preference and the fact that any business should go out of business because such policy is established is moronic. This business is not like any other. It is not sell commodities, like a car, or the house ( but then.. I witnessed how black buyers were declined in their willingness to buy property on Park Avenue in NY) . Go ahead and call it racism. And yes, in this case I call it racism. But isn't it to get a reject even in those circumstances warrants this label? It is a preference to whom to sell the house. Prove it otherwise. You people in this country are very fond of liberty rights, while you choose what friends you have and I bet most of your friends are White, or AA, or any other race you've been nurtured in. Do you seek brunette instead of a blonde? That's discrimination too. What's wrong about a blonde? The point is why this topic is too sensitive is because you witnessed slavery and now all the slaves want to take their life back. That is because you want to seem democratic, while none of you want to live with that.
As for no AA policy, that is like no any other policy. It is just a policy and that's that. And sadly you are sucked in in any policy throw at you your media.

Maybe Fatvern and BSC Sasha had an illiterate love child and this is him? lmao

When u KNOW a certain kind of shoes hurt your feet,
there is no law in place
that says u HAVE to wear those shoes.

Except, you know, you just compared black people to shoes.

This is a genuinely interesting and debatable issue, especially if sex work becomes legalized.

A provider doesn't want to see African American Men that's her choice. Nothing else you can do. I'm glad I don't have this restriction.  

I used the shoe analogy because most women Looove shoes.
Most people can relate to a pair of shoes that hurt their feet or back,
not so much a big black dick jack hammered into them.

How come we don't see black providers start their ad with African-American on it or Black?  This is even more prevalent in the East Coast and NY ads

I'm not saying that I'm looking for the bad side of your words, I'm saying that your analogy is total shit.

As a black man, I don't let that bother me.  I even seen African American providers saying the same thing about only see white man only.  If there is a provider I really want to see that say no AA, and wont see anybody under 35, I professionally send them an email.  Some of these providers took the time to call me directly and agreed to see me based on our friendly conversation and became favorites still to this day.  Same with the age range, not even close to 35 yet, but always get away with that because I act in a mature manner.  Speaking to all black man trying to figure out this question, which I always wondered to until I figured it out.  The answer is safety, I can understand that. The second answer is to email her, you never know, all she can do is say no.  But by emailing the provider in a professional manner, it gives her second thoughts about you, which doors can open up to greater things.  If it works for me, it can work for you.  That's my two cents....

I think that they face some of the same racism that the males do.  I think the difference is that it is not as blatant.  Males who don't want to see AA women just ignore them.   They are not providers and therefore, they don't have to put in their ads that they don't see AA women.  I did witness once this AA lady responding to an ISO and the guy telling her that he doesn't date Black women but it was in a very nasty way. I felt really bad for this lady and I told the guy that what he did was not called for.  I guess others just don't respond or decline them when they reach out.  This is something  that is not talked about much, women facing racism from clients.  I wonder if it is as common as it is with men?  Please don't tell me that it is not because males are not afraid of black women because I am talking about racism and not fear.  

It might not be the african, part, but the american part of the equation, even though I already said that.

I'll answer your questions:
Yes
Yes
Yes

Just pass them on by there are plenty who will see you.

You would be surprised how many men don't care whether you are repulsed by them. I had a AA guy send me his picture and I literally couldn't see myself having sex with him so I said No and told him I didn't find him attractive (I found him repulsive). He begged me, said Please so many times, said he would pay me extra. I couldn't do it. I'm a black woman who prefers white or asian men. I am not attracted to black and hispanic men, and if you don't speak English I cannot have a decent time with you. It's tough because since I am a BBW that is a high amount of my potential clientele, I get approached by Mexicans all day long, but I can't spend my days having sex with men I cannot find a desirable physical trait in. I am a VERY selective provider in that way. Is it racist, yes in some ways it is. I actually feel guilty about this. I felt really bad telling that AA guy NO. But I don't feel bad enough to have sex with him. I don't do pity fucks.

I always start my ad with Black or Ebony, so I don't know where you get this. I always say Ebony or Black BBW because I am not trying to fool anyone.

We have a right to say no to anyone.

Loud mouth hookers on Twitter are a demographic now?

As everyone knows, I spend a LOT of time in Latin America and almost none of this is done over the internet. Since it's legal most of the action happens in bars where you get to meet face to face before ever agreeing to ANYTHING and this works both ways.

I am an African-American provider with a 50 + inch ass, and white men are majority of my client base. I chose not to service AA men due to personal preference and past negative encounters.

I would agree to this. Her body her rules.

The next guy who feels inclined to post this question, please do yourself a favor and go back and review the other 199 times it has come up on this board. The answer remains the same:  Her body, her rules. Just 2 weeks ago I got turned down by a lady when I told her I am AA. My response? I found another totally sweet hottie who let me spend 30 glorious minutes going down on her.  

Black guys don't do DATY, everybody knows that and I just confirmed it by looking it up in my "stereotypes of black people" handbook. lmao

Which would apply to race and sex, along with race and sex in America.

Hot is hot, whether she is black, white, Asian, Latina or "other"

No AA is primarily seen on posts for ladies who are 250$ and hour or less, for reasons posted in here, she has a manager, she's trying to avoid pimps, she's seen other ladies do it.  

is from Pakistan and works IT at a 7-11.

And always have racial chip on your shoulder.

Fine you can join our holiday too.  But please try to make some sense.  I've never been to Vietnam either, but I can assure you a South Viet girl is not going to be 'physically' compatable with a North Viet guy.  Either she won't let it happen or her parents won't.

It sounds like you think that you and me are going to have a "conversation" on this matter. Haven't I made it clear that you are simply Too Stupid To Talk To? (I spelled it out, just to make sure)

I also don't like fried chicken and I'm mediocre at best at basketball. But pussy-eating? Where's that gold medal!

Too funny, I lived in Tulsa a few years back, a rather "white" city and the first couple of friends I made there were a Costa Rican guy and a black guy. My SB/GF at the time met the black guy when shopping for a washer/dryer for me and just "knew" he could get us some smoke (she was a huge pot head) and it turns out she was right, The Tico was his roommate and we all got to be friends.

And quit when I stopped taking my health for granted.

Gag prefers Jamaican women over AA women. He likes when they twerk, spin their heads around like they are possed, and flop around on the floor like a dead fish.

and since I speak "fluent redneck" people are still surprised when they meet me in person.  Once upon it was an issue, but over time it has become less an less an issue. Personally I kind of like being "different" I guess over the years I have gotten used to usually being the only Asian in the room.

and seems to have drastically cut down on new threads.

Some body should post a gif.

I don't mind change, but not just change for the sake of change.

It is amazing that the single action of one  person of color result in a generalize action for the rest.Don't forget institutionalize racism/ brainwash that everything of color is bad ; Black Ice (lie ,ice is white),Black Mail ( even when the people involved are not black),White color crime ,( light sentencing..........yet still a thief is still a thief ,anyway) .I could go on and on.....

We could have a sticky for this topic LOL...and one for acronyms. It still amazes me that someone will type out two to three paragraphs and abbreviate one word out of 500 that no one understands!

Why do so many ads that say no AA, marketed toward AA, most videos have rap music playing, and the women in the ads appear to embrace what is popular AA culture, and often written in a language only a trap star would understand.