TER General Board

That coin has two sides.
zenshouse 54 Reviews 1219 reads
posted
1 / 23

Generally, most of us are here so we can read reviews and be more informed before we select an escort. We do this to avoid many of the risks that come with just picking based on ads. More often than not, this is my approach. But occasionally, I get the itch to TOFT. Add to this, not entirely a TOFT, but sometimes see an escort that only has 1-2 reviews.

 
But why take this risk when I don't have to? A couple of reasons. First, I still do some research. I look at her ad, website, Twitter, etc... and examine her activity. I try my best with more limited information to trust my gut. While not every session has been a home run, none of these have been entirely bad either.  

 
But back to my reasons. One is getting a shot with a newbie who decides this business if not for her. I have had a few of these where they disappear shortly after I have seen them. Each of these women tended to feel less performative. Something about them felt more civie, and therefore a little closer to an actual GFE. As a GFE fan, I cherish sessions like these.

 
Another thing you can get out of this, if you are on a budget like me, is a shot at an escort whose prices increase due to demand. Some of the hotest and sexiest women I have been with were ones I caught on the way up. A number of them are charging 1k-1.5k now and are way out of my budget. I'm glad I got to see them when I could afford them. Occasionally, I see women in other states in my price range who tour but by the time they tour my city they are out of my range. And, often, they have the high reviews to support they are hot and good at what they do.

 
Anyway, I'm wondering if others get this itch too and what your experiences are.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 46 reads
posted
2 / 23

Disclaimer :this is in context of overwhelming majority of my trips as of recent ~7 years being agency trips.

 
As price increased even more, my desire for toftt went down.
Going in completely blind has not worked that well for me. There were some exceptions but in general toftt or very limited info ventures is not a good +EV play for me. Then again, I am into service-oriented ladies and usually toftt with agencies are with someone much less experienced in the industry.  

 
But sometimes I do get that crazy itch for new pussy and I try to get some basic info or just yolo it. But again, my expectations are set accordingly, pretty low. And I almost always hedge with a fave.

420Smoka4Eva 27 reads
posted
3 / 23

1) People don't like to ask about services or specifics because that's how you get yourself busted in a sting. A lot of this is supposed to be communicated clearly so we can avoid dirty talk that would get us in trouble.

2) Your ads are misleading. Your rates are presented as a flat rate, nowhere does it mention extras or upsells.  

3) Offering a lower level of service will get lower review scores, regardless if the clients know up front or not. You charge a lot and offer very little and this is reflected in your review.

In conclusion it just seems like you're not a very good escort and not worth taking any chance on. It isn't a chance anymore it is a known thing.

Rafl 45 reads
posted
4 / 23

I’ve had some good experiences and I’ve had a few not so good. Generally , I avoid toftt anymore. Seems like there is more scammers and poor quality than there used to be.

Hpygolky 214 Reviews 45 reads
posted
5 / 23

I get an adrenaline rush meeting someone new, not reviewed. I like going into the unknown. I'm just wired that way, I've taken many gambles and most have paid off. (Look at most of my reviews. and you're welcome)
But I always do my research, I leave no stones unturned. If I'm not feeling it, then I'm gone.
At the inception of TER, alot of us built the data base on first time reviews. Seeing someone was seeing someone probably not reviewed. Took some hits, but then alot of us did......that's just the way it was.
But this habit of TOFTT is still kinda in me, I just like looking for that diamond in the rough.
Looking at your reasons for asking, I can say most I've met have flourished in this, except one. She wasn't cut out for it. She was too emotional so it wasn't for her.
And those that continued, I rarely see because I'm still beating the bushes.

James_Stance 66 Reviews 43 reads
posted
6 / 23

I kinda sort of have to. Most girls are not reviewed and most guys don't write reviews or if they do write a review, its on another review board I am not a member of or no longer frequent. Now, I don't go in completely blind. If she is part of an agency I am familiar with then I pretty much know what to expect. If she is independent then I ask direct questions about the services I require. If I get no answer or she says no then she doesn't get hired. It is as simple as that. Because the rates are out of control and level of uncertainty with what services a new provider offers, I tend to repeat with trusted providers and agencies. It's like what Prince Aemond said in House of the Dragon, "one whore is as good as another."

RespectfulRobert 44 reads
posted
7 / 23

They risk a lot so we can find that hidden, up until then, gem. They risk LE, they risk being beaten and/or robbed, they risk a bait and switch, they risk seeing a woman who has no business being a SW.
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So many times I have wished I have done it but I think I have only managed it 3 times. Thankfully, all worked  out really well but I am still very leery of doing it. I can see what attracts some guys into doing them; the excitement of the unknown. Tremendous respect for those gents!
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Great post Zeel!

Gus_n_MollyPugs 2 Reviews 41 reads
posted
8 / 23

I'm still a newbie in some aspects here, but what are we talking about with the TOFTT euphemism, and what does it apply to specifically in the universe of TER and providers, etc.

zenshouse 54 Reviews 44 reads
posted
9 / 23

TOFTT is Take One For the Team. When it comes to escorts in the TER universe, it means seeing a provider who has no reviews and being the first to submit a review. This especially rings true if you build a reputation on TER and are considered trusted. A first review from a trusted reviewer can determine if others will see the escort or not. Since this is a gamble, your efforts are considered Taaking One For the Team, or TOFTT.

RespectfulRobert 46 reads
posted
10 / 23

IOW, it's a client that sets up a date with a provider with zero reviews from credible reviewers/sites. It's incredibly risky, for obvious reasons, but so necessary for the community.

OldRanger 62 Reviews 48 reads
posted
11 / 23

In case you have others here is a start found under Newby FAQs

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/newbie---faq-33/definitions-acronyms-abbreviations-and-terms-a-m-75535
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/newbie---faq-33/definitions-acronyms-abbreviations-and-terms-n-z-75533

tozer 72 Reviews 25 reads
posted
12 / 23

According to your reviews, you don't kiss and you don't enjoy oral. That completely gets you crossed off my list.

inicky46 61 Reviews 51 reads
posted
13 / 23

she can never qualify for high performance scores, which kind of dooms her here.

impposter 49 Reviews 47 reads
posted
14 / 23

There was even a recent TOFTT thread on newbie:  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/newbie---faq-33/take-one-chance-for-the-team--171559

Posted By: Gus_n_MollyPugs
Re: Please enlighten me for a moment...
I'm still a newbie in some aspects here, but what are we talking about with the TOFTT euphemism, and what does it apply to specifically in the universe of TER and providers, etc.

Gus_n_MollyPugs 2 Reviews 56 reads
posted
15 / 23

I must admit, this whole "team" aspect of TER went sailing right over my head!

I'll work on that....

 
Where precisely do these "new" first time escorts pop up so that someone can actually see, and thus book them, thus facilitating the "Taking" in the first place...?   By risks do you mean Law Enforcement?  Or do you mean she could be a trap.... and when she has you undressed, out from behind some wardrobe closet....or out from the Chevy Pickup truck parked outside the Hotel door....steps a 5'11" 320 lb sweaty Bald guy named "L.Q." who then helps himself to your valuables while she buttons her blouse and you stand there, naked with your wiener slowly descending from fully erect to "mostly pissed"...?  Or am I missing something here?

I must say, even when I was active during the wild west days of the 1990s escort business, where every date felt like crossing No-man's land as you waited to see exactly WHAT showed up at the door....I never was busted for solicitation.   I like to think think that even the cutest female vice officer wouldn't be able to resist my charms....that's my new fantasy, seducing a hot female vice officer into not only NOT arresting me, but allowing me to wheel her back to my place on my lap and teach her that, once you have a man on four wheels, you never go back....baby....*lites Harvard gentleman's pipe*  @@@SMOKE@@@

RespectfulRobert 41 reads
posted
16 / 23

Multiple risks:
-LE
-getting robbed
-bait and switch
-terrible provider

zenshouse 54 Reviews 54 reads
posted
17 / 23

Agree with Robert on risks. Clarifying point though. If you are to TOFTT they will not pop up under new reviews. The whole point is they have no reviews. You find them on an ad site like Tryst or Eros or on a social network like Twitter or Instagram.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 47 reads
posted
18 / 23

where I was the second or third reviewer on a new provider were TOFTT situations, because the other reviews were not approved and live yet when I saw the girls, so I have quite a bit of experience with this aspect of P4P.  I learned early on that when the session is TOFTT with a new girl with no reviews or TER profile, there is a much higher percentage of getting a girl who is average or below average, and that is always a bit disappointing.  

 
However, I have also had the good fortune to "discover" many girls that went on to become legendary in Los Angeles, and became hugely popular once word got out that they were exceptional.  In the meantime, since few know of her yet, I get to see her as many times as I want before she gets hard to book.   When you get a winner like this, it's like going to the track and losing a few times before you hit a winner that pays off big and gets you back double what you lost on the two previous losers.  Lol

Lt_FrankDrebin 10 Reviews 32 reads
posted
19 / 23

Okay, first, that sounds really frustrating. I can see how that’s a catch 22 and I can empathize with that. Your reviews are getting old so maybe they’re not even accurate anymore? I dunno. I see how that would be frustrating.  

 
Have you considered that you may be encouraging the assumptions? You say you don’t like that these clients assume, what have you done to make it so they don’t have to?  

 
Bemoan their assumptions all day long, booking them KNOWING that they’re assuming is a marketing ploy. Frankly, it’s a bit mercenary and it often backfires.  

 
[Your post kinda seemed like you want more business from here / more reviews here. If I read that wrong then never mind, my bad. If I got it right then here’s a bit of food for thought to that end.]

 
Some providers have a clear do’s and don’ts list but I didn’t see that on any of your links. Do you bring up your personal limits by email with prospective clients? It’s NOT FAIR to expect them to ask you if you don’t bring it up because most providers HATE that.  

 
You’re not an unknown around here, you’re fighting an uphill battle against some stale, not great reviews. If they’re no longer accurate, you HAVE TO make that known.  

 
Yes, your tryst ad says feel welcome to ask for what you want respectfully, but I don’t see that  stated in any of the links that are actually on your TER profile. One of THOSE links clearly says anything explicit gets you blocked. Nobody is gonna read that and then ask if you do BBBJ. Which brings me to the biggest piece of advice I can think of if you want to get more business from here.  

 
You REALLY should keep your profile updated.  

 
Get your tryst and p411 links added to your profile. They have a much better reputation than Eros. Some clients will not consider someone on Eros no matter what the reviews say because of the awful reputation that site has. If you don’t take down the Eros, at least get the tryst and p411 added.  

 
Confusing or mismatched info in the profile and the links found there cause a lot of people to move on quickly. Right now your Eros and hot say NJ, slixa says LA, and your profile says Tysons.  All those ad links show an AZ phone number. Your profile has the same number but with a 489 area code which I believe doesn’t even exist. (Typo?)  

 
Meanwhile your tryst, which you seem to be most active on, has a Vegas number. Make sure all your contact info is correct on your profile. If you’re using both those phone numbers, get them both on the profile.  

 
So, you’re touring and that explains all the different cities. The only place I see that laid out so anybody can tell where you are at a given time is tryst which, again, isn’t on your profile.  

 
The only thing in the cost section of your profile is a 15 minute visit. Some people, I’d wager most people in your price range, have zero interest in QV and sort of look down on providers who offer it.  

 
Your profile indicates a very limited menu. If it’s no longer accurate, try to get it updated.  

 
I only read your last two reviews. Those, along with the menu on your profile, are the biggest obstacle to you booking TER members. If you do flat rates now, call that out in your ads. You mention TER in some of your ads, so go ahead and own the fact that your reviews talk about upselling and assure us that you don’t do that anymore. (If it’s true)

 
I went through your photos. Wow. You are very attractive. Truly. I’m sure just like any other business, you shop the competition to figure out how much to charge. Setting your prices based on other providers with comparable looks, without considering services, is a mistake.  

 
You’re super hot and that’s going to generate a lot of interest. If it floats, fucks, flies or drives — people will buy with their eye. But that’s before they meet with you. In your price range great looks and limited service/upselling is no way to get repeat customers or positive reviews. That’s because a client decides whether to come back and what to say in the review between your door and their car door.  

 
If he feels like he overpaid or got hustled in some way, that’s not good. But if she did everything he’d hoped for with enthusiasm and left him drained, then he’ll be wearing a big dumb grin on the way to the car. Doesn’t matter if she was a 10 or a 5.  

 
Well, it matters a lot less than it did before he booked I should say; because he had fun and his nuts are empty. That’s where repeats and good reviews come from: service.  

 
Obviously managing expectations comes in here; so do what you can to clear up those assumptions before people book.  

 
I saw you offer a TER member special. Clearing up some of the confusion around your profile / ads could help encourage someone here to give you another shot. Also I think that special was mentioned on your tryst so again, get that link on your profile.  

 
You’re not going to like this but I’m going to say it anyways. If if IF the menu presented on your profile here is accurate, consider pivoting your business. With your looks, you could move your ads to the body rub section and charge 300/hr. You’d have a couple positive reviews from those guys almost immediately and then TER members would have your phone absolutely blowing the fuck up. You could ask another 100 from the guys who want FS.  

 
I’m not saying you “should” do things you don’t want to do or you “should” change your prices. You have to do what feels safe and comfortable and reasonable for you. I thought you were wanting more bookings from and reviews on TER. I’m laying out some options that will make that more likely to happen.

RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 19 reads
posted
20 / 23

Endorse. Very thoughtful response Lt. Frank. I would add/amplify two things:
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First, on the West Coast where I play Eros is a horrible site predominantly used by scammers and fakes. I know it's popular with the high-end NYC ladies but not in Vegas and LA/OC.
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Second, 90% of the guys I know don't see ladies who won't offer bbbj and dfk. So if she doesn't offer those services, or if there's an upcharge for those services, she needs to be crystal clear on that in her ads and profile. Anyone who makes a date who shows up to "I only do cbj" and/or "I don't kiss" is probably going to be pissed and the review will reflect that.

RespectfulRobert 53 reads
posted
21 / 23
Lt_FrankDrebin 10 Reviews 49 reads
posted
22 / 23

Yes exactly, I was thinking the same thing. The only exception is  when her only review(s) is/are from first time reviewer(s). That still qualifies as TOFTT, IMO. And as has been said by others, I’m grateful for those who do it.  

 
Gus has no business even thinking about it. A few people have answered his question but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that. I think it needed to be said.

Lt_FrankDrebin 10 Reviews 13 reads
posted
23 / 23

Thank you. Yes, we agree.  

 
Your last paragraph is what I was thinking, stated more concisely. I would only add that how pissed said customers are going to be is directly proportional to cost.

 
I was just leaving the door open for the profile menu to possibly be incorrect.

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