You have just implicated 38 providers as people who don't need condoms. I imagine that some will not be happy about that. I'm not much worried since I prefer to be the only dick in the room when I'm paying, but still, you've just branded a lot of people with your statement. IMHO, that's the root of the problem with posting things such as your review.
Where are all the BBFS reviews and threads dealing with the scandalous everyday happenings going on in this community.
All the hub bub that arose for days after the dreaded announcement by TER Admin allowing this topic has almost worked in a positive way.
Now either no one is daring to tread in that particular uncovered direction -or- the brave still continue to offer this menu choice but are just not saying.
Lets face it..... what provider is going to take the chance in allowing uncovered sex with any John who now has the ability of exposing her to our world.
And what John, is going to run the risk of Blacklisting himself from the rest of the ladies in this community for a few moments of heavenly pleasure and excruciating satisfaction.
Just maybe (giving them the benefit of the doubt) Admin knew that by putting BBFS out there would ultimately have an effect on all of us by making us think before we act and in turn a bit more responsible but a whole lot safer.
It seems to be back to business as usual again !
See my review of Siri Lysandra. I didn't notice it at the time of.
In general I'd say bbfs is a terrible idea. I don't believe the sensation is that much better. The only upside is not losing a stiffy putting on a rubber. The downside is of course STD's and wife discovery. It can't possibly be worth it.
I never thought this but it is true. I had a client
say ,just before he had to let me put his raincoat on, he said...
I'd do you bareback but I don't want to catch anything.
My eyes became as round as a silver dollar and my mouth dropped.
And I asked him... you do that? And he replied to me yes with
a few who I know very well. And his references told me all I needed
to know to never see anyone who sees that provider. He did
not want to be covered and before he left he said, I suppose you want
your money now.
The actual " session " from which the review was written could have taken place as far back as September but the review was only written within the past few days.
I wouldn't assume that out of 4900 reviewed sessions that only 1 was BBFS. Why? Because of what you said which is that guys don't want to risk getting blackballed. Also, girls don't want to be blackballed by guys like me who even though I absolutely hate condoms, won't risk getting a horrible disease and don't want to spend time with girls who would put themselves and me at that kind of risk. As Angel mentioned, she saw a client that claims he does it with several girls. Assume that is true for a second. My guess is that if you checked those girls reviews, you wouldn't see BBFS mentioned anywhere. The bottom line is there's no way to know just how much BBFS is going on, but I am going to assume it's at a higher rate than 1 in 4900.
Lets face it..... what provider is going to take the chance in allowing uncovered sex with any John who now has the ability of exposing her to our world.
I, as a client, pretty much assume that any provider I am seeing has some degree of BBFS going on, at least with SO's if not clients... Which is why I happily use a condom. That is why I marked on the poll I would consider seeing a provider with BBFS reviews, not because I would seek that myself but because I don't think it changes the equation much.
Lets face it..... what provider is going to take the chance in allowing uncovered sex with any John who now has the ability of exposing her to our world.
I, as a client, pretty much assume that any provider I am seeing has some degree of BBFS going on, at least with SO's if not clients... Which is why I happily use a condom. That is why I marked on the poll I would consider seeing a provider with BBFS reviews, not because I would seek that myself but because I don't think it changes the equation much.
Do we assume a client is BBing his wife or GF? Sure, of course.. but that's different than BBing multiple providers, who are also BBing multiple clients... it ups the risk much more. I'm guessing that those who do provide BBBJ would be at a higher risk, if they were seeing clients that regularly BB w/other providers... but as you say, if you're doing everything covered, it lowers the risk significantly.
As more BBFS reviews go live over time the taboo will were off. I then grow as a service offered. If that happens ladies would be pressured into providing it as they now are with BBBJ. Peer pressure is real in the business world. My fears are in five to ten years from now. TER and sites like it has a huge influence in the services offered, just ask any old timer like mrfisher, or inicky46.
No one is going to change the present sentiment towards BBFS and return us all back to the 70's
Give us a cure for Hiv and a vaccine for Herpes and then we can all talk about relaxing the present standards.
As long as there is a death sentence associated with unprotected sex I believe that the vast majority of logical players both male and female are not caving under any pressure.
Just saying.
Herpes has plagued mankind since ancient greek times. And its oral cousin HSV 1 has not deadened kissing one bit with its very similar symptoms. Hell one is often mistaken for the other in cases the virus infects the others normal turf. Plus condoms are not all that effective at stopping the spread of herpes. Herpes can spread orally as well. Last I checked over half the ladies preformed a BBBJ. Herpes is not going to affect condom uses
HIV is not the death sentence it once was. HIV can be spread though a BBBJ though the odds are small yet may including myself allow a BBBJ. Aids no longer dominates the news like it once did. This disease still is a major player in curtailing BBFS. HIV isn't the boogieman it once was in the public eye though.
People are not logical when it comes to sex and there orgasm. If we were no one would do anything uncovered outside a monogamous relationship. Hell, would we even be hobbying? STD's is only one out of a launder list of risks.
Ask any provider, requests for BBFS are up even before this rule change. Fewer people are covering up in civie sex. It is already happening This can only seed it up. I doubt it will get like the 70's again, but BBFS will in my opinion grow in acceptance and practice.
I do hope I am very wrong on this. I really do. All this hobby needs is for an increase in STD's in it participants. I guess we will have to wait and see. Lets all hope you are right.
I will tell this from PHD STD researchers that I know if the STD rates go up in the hobby, the practice of of BBFS will go down.
I don't even like to go to the doctor. And dying is for much later. If others feel like me, hopefully there will remain a sensible sector of the hobby. Now that bbfs has been invented.
Until that time comes, it simply isn't worth it.
Or think about it this way. BBBJ is really more of a risk for the provider than the client, so you could see where lots of clients might bring pressure to accept this.
But BBFS is equally risky for both parties with a much greater degree of risk, so the client has a LOT more incentive to not only not seek it out, but to avoid getting into a situation where it is more likely to happen - and the providers have a much greater reason to resist.
With fear and paranoia being the watchword of the day in many aspects of life, I just can't see BBFS becoming a popular option that people seek out.
As others have said though, a really solid cure for HIV could well change that equation (though even then there are still lots of other classic things you are at greater risk for).
....that given the "presumed" track record by way of the thousands of reviews written everyday, the TER community as a whole perceives at least one of these interests daty, bbbj and rimming as an insignificant "non-threat" to our health.
WHY.... because we have members and friends who have shared 100's of their individual reviews and lets not forget the one pushing 1200 (props) all engaged in the above mentioned interests over years of hobbying and seemingly without a negative health incident.
This exciting lifestyle aside from BBFS appears to be relatively safe !
At least that's the way it looks.
Look at the perceived facts.... look at the figures.... 781,000 reviews and we are all still in it for the long run.
Daty, BBBJ and especially rimming are all the equivalent to playing Russian Roulette.
We know that so do we stop..... No way.
No ones getting sick over it. Are they ?
?????????
HPV spread by oral sex is a bigger threat than smoking for oral cancer in men. And every one is carrying staff in there anus and it is a killer. All these things I can prove to be true. Other then rimming I do partake in even though I know it to be a game of Russian Roulette. I got sick once, what is worse, I got my wife sick. I know providers that have caught stuff as well from these "safe" activities. None practiced BBFS.
The hobby isn't safe, not at all. I know of lots of people that got hurt form the dangers of this hobby. We as a group are blind as we don't want to look at the truth. Truth is herpes is rampant but most who have it don't know it. Truth is chlamydia and gonorrhea are common. Your post proves my point. People will delude themselves for cash and orgasm. It happens every day. You my friend are one of them.
Do I really need to show the links? I hate to be a fear monger. But history is full of examples of risky behaviors becoming the norm. Sorry if I know that last argument was bull. The only STD to seriously change the hobby was HIV and it is becoming old news. Men have always took great for pussy, and people have always took huge risks for money. It already happen in the hobby.
My point above was sarcastic in tone.
We don't realize the possible harm that is out there because we don't see it everyday but it doesn't negate the fact that it exists.
Facetiously I mention.....
Lets see how the sentiment would change if TER had a special " STD Board " where we could read the threads posted by those who will contract any of the std's out there today.
Wouldn't it be fair to allow those individuals interested to post their personal health issues and warnings so that the community could finally realize the dangers involved in the choices that we all make ?
I personally believe that it would be a real buzz kill but a truly responsible eye opener to us all.
Just a matter of time.
So very well stated! Just because it's not talked about out in the open, doesn't mean that it does not occur. Do people think that when a provider or hobbyist catch something, that they post it on the boards for all to know?? More likely, those w/good morals would contact everyone they had contact with to inform them of the problem.... but there are also those who wouldn't.
Everyone seems to think that the rate of STDs has gone down, but it has not. It's just not making the headlines. I Googled information for here in WI, & found that for the age groups 15-24, STDs have INCREASED 53% between 1997 to 2007.
The hobby isn't safe, not at all. I know of lots of people that got hurt form the dangers of this hobby. We as a group are blind as we don't want to look at the truth. Truth is herpes is rampant but most who have it don't know it. Truth is chlamydia and gonorrhea are common. Your post proves my point. People will delude themselves for cash and orgasm. It happens every day. You my friend are one of them.
Do I really need to show the links? I hate to be a fear monger. But history is full of examples of risky behaviors becoming the norm. Sorry if I know that last argument was bull. The only STD to seriously change the hobby was HIV and it is becoming old news. Men have always took great for pussy, and people have always took huge risks for money. It already happen in the hobby.
You mentioned that things have been going on seemingly without a health incident. That we know of. People don't go around telling everyone what they have or what they caught. We don't know Jack.
This post was not intended to say that the practice of BBFS is acceptable or going away. Its certainly not.
It was taking place on occasion before, and will continue to take place on occasion in the future.
My point was and is, the announcement allowing BBFS to be recognized in thread and review brought anger and frustration to the community with mention of Chicken Little and " the sky falling".
The world has not ended but continues to f**k as it did before. The gloom and doom of yesterday is more than softened today.
It seems to me that by allowing BBFS in print and practice has not really changed much around here after all.
Carry on !
Am I the only one with the balls to openly admit and post that i fuck women without a condom? Come on guys grow a pair, over 40% of us when polled said we would see a provider who did BBFS "right now" so lets stop being polite and start getting real. Where is the BBFS search option and BBFS discussion board
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/showReview.asp?Review=1173438
You have just implicated 38 providers as people who don't need condoms. I imagine that some will not be happy about that. I'm not much worried since I prefer to be the only dick in the room when I'm paying, but still, you've just branded a lot of people with your statement. IMHO, that's the root of the problem with posting things such as your review.