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DeliciousRaspberry See my TER Reviews 3253 reads
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Clinically, this process is called
dissociation - the same psychological process which
permits you to survive if you're being tortured.  

The person who is for sale, is actually a pretend self.
But the problem is, over time, it becomes more and more
difficult to switch back to the real self. The emotionally
distanced self takes over more and more of the  
private self.

In addition to shutting down emotionally, prostitutes  
must shut down sexually. Then when they later want
to be sexually involved with someone they care about,
it is usually impossible to get turned on."

The quote above is from a psychologist named Melissa Farley. Most providers deny that anything of the sort is happening.  Maybe it's true for some, but not for others.  What do you think? Is there any truth to this

Freya Fantasia See my TER Reviews 1233 reads
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2 / 49

I learned how to do this when I was in my  early 20s and working as a dancer. I did feel...bad.  I felt kind of claustrophobic, or violated (even though it was consensual) when I was having sex with someone from money, for lack of better words or a better way to describe it. In time it became easier.  I actively tried to disassiosiate myself.

I did that for a few years and then I stopped for many years, went to college and had a career and a family (no issues enjoying sex with my husband). About seven years ago I was thinking about dating again and I saw the escorts advertising on craigslist.  I thought it would be great if I could escort and be safe about it.  What I did before was not safe.  

When I got back into this about seven years ago I was much more interested in providing a good service and having people come back to see me again. The old feeling of being out of control and hating it was gone.   What I experience now is the opposite of disassociation. I try to make an emotional connection before during and after my time with a client.

I love what I do Now.   I love my clients, the money, and having so much free time, especially after working so hard for so long as a single mom.  If going through the bad stuff when I was younger has made it possible for me to enjoy this career now, then I'm only grateful that it all happened.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 776 reads
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3 / 49

so it is no surprise she would come out with such a maudlin statement such as this, which is meant to shame women who perform sex work.

The truth of course is that there is a large range from actual enjoyment (at times) to the extreme she claims is the only one.

There's nothing wrong with having a healthy objective detachment towards ones client, in fact it is highly recommended for person like psychologists

MasterZen 34 Reviews 774 reads
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4 / 49

IME, absolute statements are rarely if ever true.

I suspect this analysis may hold true for some, but not for all.

Similarly, we have certainly heard "experts" assert that all prostitutes are "trafficked", all have been sexually and emotionally abused, etc...

Perhaps these are also true for some, but certainly not for all.  

A corollary to Ms. Farley's statement is that "sex must be associated with romantic emotion". I daresay enough of us have experienced casual sex outside of the hobby where romantic emotion was not involved at all.

2648667 31 Reviews 674 reads
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2648667 31 Reviews 814 reads
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6 / 49

Good point MrFisher. Therapists, psychologists, massage therapists, etc. are all taught to detach from the client.

2648667 31 Reviews 721 reads
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7 / 49

At least on the idea that this is true for every last provider.  My personal (limited) experience has been that this "hobby" has brought me into some of the most honest relationships I've had. I've made some connections and actually gotten more in touch with my "true self". I'm not going to fall for anyone here, but somehow this helps ground me and gives perspective.  This is an extreme statement, and an exaggeration, but to put it terms Farley would use if anything I was "dissociated" before I stepped into this world.

As for the women I've met, very small sample of course, but almost all of them like what they do. They want to connect on some level. They have other things in their lives they're very passionate about. They find their peace and confidence internally, not needing too much validation from the outside. I'm not saying that's every provider, but based on my experience, it's a high proportion.  

You certainly can't say what you've quoted here about all of them. Some of them, sure. Not all.

Freya Fantasia See my TER Reviews 596 reads
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8 / 49

There were a lot of articles like that when our local site we shut down a few months ago. They refer to all of the ladies who posted on that site as "victims".  I mean, it was the only word they used to describe the escorts who posted on that sites. "The victims" this, and "the victims" that.  Don't LE agents and journalists just love to make us look like victims?  

Sex trafficking is a crime and it ought to be, of course.   But it sure seems like most of the escorts and hobbyists in the United States are all doing exactly what they choose to be doing.

RSpork 23 Reviews 637 reads
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9 / 49

My wife is a nurse. She told me that she had to learn detachment, particularly when working with AIDS patients in the ICU.  Every nurse I know laughs at the crossword puzzle clue "givers of TLC", which is supposed to be RNs.

I came across the phrase "bounded attachment" to describe the P4P world. I'm rolling it around in my mouth, but I like it. Isn't all of life about attachment with varying degrees of attachments.

BTW, therapists suck and are mostly crazy, and not in a good way.

RSpork 23 Reviews 403 reads
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10 / 49

Posted By: Fearghas
At least on the idea that this is true for every last provider.  My personal (limited) experience has been that this "hobby" has brought me into some of the most honest relationships I've had. I've made some connections and actually gotten more in touch with my "true self". I'm not going to fall for anyone here, but somehow this helps ground me and gives perspective.  This is an extreme statement, and an exaggeration, but to put it terms Farley would use if anything I was "dissociated" before I stepped into this world.  
   
 As for the women I've met, very small sample of course, but almost all of them like what they do. They want to connect on some level. They have other things in their lives they're very passionate about. They find their peace and confidence internally, not needing too much validation from the outside. I'm not saying that's every provider, but based on my experience, it's a high proportion.  
   
 You certainly can't say what you've quoted here about all of them. Some of them, sure. Not all.

702touch See my TER Reviews 519 reads
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11 / 49

even when i was a dancer 20 years ago, i was still just me...i never had shame of what i do or feel i had to disassociate myself from anyone

VelvetVacation See my TER Reviews 554 reads
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12 / 49

It will take a reprogramming of an old belief system in the girl, and society,
that Sex is NOT DIRTY and BAD and she is NOT going to BURN IN HELL if
she has Sex outside of marriage, or Sex for anything other than baby-making purposes.

There will be no need to "Shut Down" the emotions to have Sex.
Sex will be placed in its' proper category, like exercise, and health, and wellbeing.
Medicare will pay for the BlowJobs that prostate cancer survivors will need, in the beginning, after surgery.  
(Ok, I really am pushing it there.)

It is true some females like to attach emotions to Sex, at this point in time,  
due to programming by Religion and Politics and what is passed on through the generations.
That is changing. We are evolving.  
This is our last holdout for total equality.
The emotional attachments and anchors will be thrown away and we will be able to
Enjoy Sex as the Pleasurable Healthy Activity that it is.

It will become like exercise.  The more you get the vagina out there and DO IT,  PLAAAY,  
the more health, wellbeing, and longevity will be accessed.  
Everyone will understand that there is only one reason to have a Clitoris
and that is for PLEASURE, with no restrictions (18 and older please) as to how you get your PLEASURE.
There will be No Shame and No Guilt for wanting PLEASURE.  

The New Thought is that Sex is a bodily function  
and does not have to have emotional anchors attached to the activity.

The New Thought / New Belief system will be one in which ALL FEMALES
KNOW that they are entitled to their birthright of Pure Pleasure, their ORGASMS.
SEX will become the NATURAL POSITIVE HEALTHY Activity  
that is part of being a Human Being on this planet.

#NOSHAME  #NOGUILT  #PUREPLEASURE  #ORGASM for #HEALT

VelvetVacation See my TER Reviews 658 reads
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13 / 49

...women who know how to take care of themselves and have no need to "Shut Down"  
because someone told them Sex is a Bad Thing to do.

Women who do not look outside of themselves for love.  
They are full and overflowing with love for themselves that can be shared with everyone else.

Women who know they are worthy and deserving of every good thing in this life,  
including their pleasure and their orgasms

LeahLayada See my TER Reviews 670 reads
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14 / 49

To be fair...wouldn't the providers you are paying have a vested interest in keeping up the reputation that they don't feel violated at all and that they absolutely enjoy having sex with strangers? I'm not sure how much weight should be given to the responses of people that stand to benefit if they answer in a particular way. Kinda like that old saying "Don't ask the barber if you need a haircut."  

 
Posted By: Fearghas
At least on the idea that this is true for every last provider.  My personal (limited) experience has been that this "hobby" has brought me into some of the most honest relationships I've had. I've made some connections and actually gotten more in touch with my "true self". I'm not going to fall for anyone here, but somehow this helps ground me and gives perspective.  This is an extreme statement, and an exaggeration, but to put it terms Farley would use if anything I was "dissociated" before I stepped into this world.  
   
 As for the women I've met, very small sample of course, but almost all of them like what they do. They want to connect on some level. They have other things in their lives they're very passionate about. They find their peace and confidence internally, not needing too much validation from the outside. I'm not saying that's every provider, but based on my experience, it's a high proportion.  
   
 You certainly can't say what you've quoted here about all of them. Some of them, sure. Not all.

LeahLayada See my TER Reviews 588 reads
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15 / 49

What do I think? I think this is a loaded question to ask on a forum where the people answering it can predict monetary penalty via loss of interest in the services they are selling if they answer it with the "wrong" answer. Thus, I predict nothing but "right" answers here.  

If you're actually intellectually curious about this topic and not just posting this with other intentions I'd suggest asking it in venues that offer a large and diverse provider presence where the providers are not identifiable and can answer freely without their business being put at risk. Asking a question like this here is going to have very predictable results.  
Posted By: DeliciousRaspberry
Clinically, this process is called  
 dissociation - the same psychological process which  
 permits you to survive if you're being tortured.  
   
 The person who is for sale, is actually a pretend self.  
 But the problem is, over time, it becomes more and more  
 difficult to switch back to the real self. The emotionally  
 distanced self takes over more and more of the  
 private self.  
   
 In addition to shutting down emotionally, prostitutes  
 must shut down sexually. Then when they later want  
 to be sexually involved with someone they care about,  
 it is usually impossible to get turned on."  
   
 The quote above is from a psychologist named Melissa Farley. Most providers deny that anything of the sort is happening.  Maybe it's true for some, but not for others.  What do you think? Is there any truth to this?  
 
-- Modified on 11/16/2016 7:31:37 AM

TiannaTemptation See my TER Reviews 634 reads
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16 / 49

I love my work and I love (most of) my clients.

I am fully engaged during my sessions, I certainly do not shut down in any way.  

I get frustrated when these "experts" profess to tell me how I am am feeling/behaving/etc.  The problem with many of these opinions is that they do not separate survival sex workers from escorts who actually choose this work, and there is a world of difference between the two

2648667 31 Reviews 636 reads
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18 / 49

However, I'm not going off of what they tell me, necessarily. I'm basing this on reading people and instincts. Now, could I be gullible? Maybe. Maybe I've been fooled. Of course I've been fooled on other, smaller things. Of course she's always acting, I know that. I'm just not sure how well they could act themselves out of being dissociative like a torture victim and into being self actualized and happy.

Also, I said almost all. Some of them were unquestionably not happy to be there and were somewhere else in their minds. They didn't say that; they said the opposite. I just knew. They may have mental and emotional issues, and certainly didn't really like me or themselves.

Now, the ladies I'm talking about who are in a great place emotionally, they're probably not AS happy, AS confident as I think they are. That's where the acting comes in. But I don't believe for a second they can be seen as victims or that they're in the same state of mind as torture victims. I'm sure a lot of them out there are in that boat, but it isn't all of them.

VelvetVacation See my TER Reviews 534 reads
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20 / 49

Religion,  
with its' beliefs, rules, and regulations  
has done a wonderful job of Controlling Women.

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 518 reads
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21 / 49

I am who I am regardless of whether or not I'm with a client or a friend in my personal life.  I don't have a special personality reserved for my work which can be a good thing or bad thing.  

I obviously don't enjoy every encounter and at times it can get tedious.  Am I guilty of making grocery lists in my head while giving a BJ?  Definitely!  I don't think that's any different than what any other woman goes through when they aren't into the sex regardless of who it is.  I've always had the tendency to live in my head long before I even started doing this.  I'm always thinking about something or daydreaming which has made me come off as somewhat of a ditz but that's just my personality.

That's not to say I don't enjoy myself for the most part, because I usually find something to enjoy with every encounter whether it be good conversation or learning something new.  I've had emotional connections with clients that I haven't been able to find in my personal life and always cut off clients who I dislike or irritate me.

mongo19621954 23 Reviews 413 reads
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22 / 49

Which, of course is a generalization!

I do admit to some curiosity in the matter - but as one poster pointed out - this ain't the place to expect honest feedback from providers.  And, yes, I would also expect that "most providers will deny that anything of the sort is happening" regardless of their feelings.

I think that the "real" answer will change depending upon the person - assuming of course, that you can find a way to get a "real" answer.  Everybody is different - and I think that there are folks who REALLY should not be doing this for a living - and those folks may dissociate as a survival mechanism.  If there is some poor soul reading this who finds themselves dissociating to get through another damned session with another damned trick... - PLEASE get out.  Life is too short to torture yourself.

Not everyone is cut out for this.  Just as not everyone can be a lawyer, doctor, accountant, salesweasel, or whatever.

All that said - I think there are "sex positive" women who enjoy their work - just as I enjoy my work.   And I enjoy getting paid for my work just as I suspect they enjoy getting paid for their work

2648667 31 Reviews 552 reads
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23 / 49

I do agree this probably ain't the best place to get unbiased feedback from providers. For the financial reasons as well as the fact that those who are dissociated maybe don't hang out on the boards. Maybe hobbyists can't really be unbiased about this either. But I don't see that getting the opinions of people who don't know anything about this world would be any good either. Maybe someone will post in alias, or maybe this will stimulate conversation on the PO board.

Some people just are not cut out for this work -- completely agree with you there. Good point. As you said, talking in absolutes is almost always wrong.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 508 reads
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24 / 49

on the outside that I met as a provider.  I often tease them by calling them by their working name when I see them at work, and their real name when we get together outside.  However, there is some truth in it, because there are often subtle differences between the "working" and "real" personalities.  

I recently had one of my regulars tell me her real name, and as she was blowing me, I asked her if (real name) did that just as well.  She responded, "You'll just have to fuck (real name) and see which you like better."  So I asked her out.  The real persona was actually better in bed, IMO.  However, I can't discount the possibility that it just SEEMED better because I wasn't paying.  Lol

Jensen36363 58 Reviews 453 reads
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25 / 49

Did they just study those raised in the USA, for instance, or include those in places like Holland and Germany where prostitution is legal? What about cultures where monogamy is not really the norm or is a fairly recent (say 20th century) social view?

Jensen36363 58 Reviews 498 reads
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26 / 49

Not that I would jump on the Farley bandwagon (don't really know anything about her or her study) but it seems either there's a disconnect here -- the more main stream therapists are distancing themselves from the client whereas the claim in the OP is the person is distancing them self from them self. That's a totally different situation.

That said, I suspect the former are in fact taught to learn to distance them self as a person from them self as a professional so it might well be a case of the pot calling the kettle black and suggest the behavior is not necessary harmful or a negative impact outside work.

caramelsinns See my TER Reviews 471 reads
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28 / 49

Kind of. I see my sex work as an opportunity to preform high class sexual entertainment. It's like I'm getting paid to be  a sexual actress off camera.  

When I was shy about my enjoyment from selling sex, I hid a lot of myself from civilization. As I got older, I realized how empowering it is to make in an hour what someone barely makes in two days.  

I feel like everyone has a light and a dark side.... instead of drugs or gambling, my addiction is satisfying men. I enjoy exploring my sexuality with someone I don't have to explain why I'm attracted to certain fantasies. I highly enjoy getting into character as an escort and fulfilling sexual desires.  

It makes me feel like I'm hiding a secret power from my friends/family. Like a double life that doesn't get talked about but is cherished. I can say that this hobby has made me less social and appreciate the value of my time. Now I don't dick around with anything that doesn't add value to my life.

sofiarenee6969 See my TER Reviews 557 reads
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Public sector customer service can really take a toll on a persons mental health. Dealing with shitty managers or nightmare customers is just as likely to set off disassociation in people who work in non sw industries, but because 'the customer is always right!" no one really cares. Employees have to endure abuse(yes, a lot of times customers are incredibly abusive) for 10 bucks an hour or get shitcanned and a lot of them can't afford to lose their jobs or aren't able to look for employment elsewhere.  
TBH, Most of these assholes who want to "save" sex workers are entitled fuckheads who really want to punish sw's.

keystonekid 114 Reviews 794 reads
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30 / 49

you have figured out this business. Congratulations!

Now, if I ever get to SD, I know someone to see.

souls_harbor 571 reads
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31 / 49

Not everyone likes their job.  You don't have to like a job to be good at it.  If I hire a carpenter I don't worry if he feels fulfilled in his job or resents that he isn't a rocket scientist.

I get up in the morning and go to work to pay the bills.  If I had my choice I would be on vacation 24/7.

But I am good (enough not to get fired) at my job and I make enough to live.  If it were horrible I would look for a new career.  I just assume sex workers are the same.  Therefore not only will I not feel guilty employing them, I'll feel like I brought them much needed income

Mutame 674 reads
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Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 728 reads
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Dear Freya,
I can see why you would have a psychological compartmentalization when you are young because you are going into psychological uncharted territory.   During this time, you are trying to achieve and maintain a mental state that is compatible with earning money, while learning to know what you can tolerate from clients so that you can conduct your business. Also there would be the question of the reaction if someone I am close to ascertains that I am in the business and would I alienate them and lose them.  Thus there is a balance of trying to maintain a mental state that is healthy enough to function as a sex worker and having my private life continue to be separate while determining how long can I keep this close to the vest without having to forfeit close family and friends that will keep me on an even keel emotionally.
  However as you get older, you realize that your personal life becomes more important for keeping you sane. Also within that, is trying to find a friend that you can confide in and discuss things with.  That is why HIPS and other sex worker support groups art critical for sex workers to navigate the psychological, medical and emotional labyrinth that those who are in the hobby cope with on a daily basis.  Then as you get older, then you become more professional and less mechanical with an emphasis on emotional investment which in turn lends itself to good customer service and excellent chronicling of times that transpired with your alter ego.  As a professional at this point, you realize that you need to do this to retain a frequent customer base and attract desirable new customers.  Thus not only should you have an extreme proclivities for immense and diverse copulatory activities, but have an emotional and giving side as well.  Thus the aforementioned should be a model for how you can conduct your business but still survive emotionally in the business without falling into the abyss of chemical dependency and making other deleterious choices.  
  Finally from a business perspective, you will also see the rules of supply and demand. With that said, you will be able to gradually raise your donations.   Also as you change as a woman psychologically and emotionally, you will become more astute in all phases of your life, thus being able to change the professional  and social company that you engage with on a daily basis. Not only will you be able to make more per hour, you will also acquire more options which will allow you to exit the game with your physical,mental and emotional well being intact.  That is key as you move on and progress in life. In closing, at first the questions that you would have with your behavior might be an innate, natural and visceral reaction to your emotional and psychological preservation. However you will modify your behavior so that you can meet your financial needs and enjoy all of what life has to offer socially, professionally and romantically. That is one of several reasons that you can use the providers only section of the website.

Posted By: Freya Fantasia
I learned how to do this when I was in my  early 20s and working as a dancer. I did feel...bad.  I felt kind of claustrophobic, or violated (even though it was consensual) when I was having sex with someone from money, for lack of better words or a better way to describe it. In time it became easier.  I actively tried to disassiosiate myself.  
   
 I did that for a few years and then I stopped for many years, went to college and had a career and a family (no issues enjoying sex with my husband). About seven years ago I was thinking about dating again and I saw the escorts advertising on craigslist.  I thought it would be great if I could escort and be safe about it.  What I did before was not safe.  
   
 When I got back into this about seven years ago I was much more interested in providing a good service and having people come back to see me again. The old feeling of being out of control and hating it was gone.   What I experience now is the opposite of disassociation. I try to make an emotional connection before during and after my time with a client.  
   
 I love what I do Now.   I love my clients, the money, and having so much free time, especially after working so hard for so long as a single mom.  If going through the bad stuff when I was younger has made it possible for me to enjoy this career now, then I'm only grateful that it all happened.      
 

CorbinCandor 477 reads
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Pavliena See my TER Reviews 761 reads
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this after taste of dirt, criminal smell and set up - yea.. can not imagine an dhow it is men are getting off walking  in in establishments where before then were few males  and she possible is abused by life and pimps and never have had opportunity to think about sex in different terms then "service"

If man is not psychopath  he most likely will loose his desire and passio

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 689 reads
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I am a physician, I take care of old people.  I am very fortunate in that I run a practice with relatively few patients per doctor.  I spend a lot of time with each patient., I often get to know and work with their children. I become very attached and then my patients die.  Some become demented, some develop fatal cancer, some waste away, Some see me one day, share long stories about their kids and grandkids and great grandkids, and then I am notified of their sudden death the next day.

I do not isolate myself I stay open and I hope loving and caring of my patients. All of us do....and then they die.

Of course while being open and loving, there needs to be a hidden unconscious insulation I and my colleagues have.  

Is this because we are in a dirty sick business? does it mean we can not form personal relationships? Please. It is because we can be open and loving and realistic about life and the way it works.

I have a friend who does death penalty appeals. When one of his clients --with whom by then he has been working for years and knows his/her family etc.-- is killed it is like the death one of my long term beloved patients.  Is he sick too?

Now consider a provider, one maybe that I see a lot, one who has opened up enough to make me appreciate her and how she has grown to know me and understand me and I hope enjoy me.  And then I stop seeing her or she needs to stop seeing me or whatever.  Does she have feelings for me and me for her to one degree or another?  If not, she is not very good at her very difficult job.  But she is insulted somewhat the way I am. Is she insulated because she is in a sick profession? Is she sick/ of does she have the same sense of reality I do, my colleagues do, my friend does, my periodontist does, my financial adviser does?  

God bless all of us who serve people lovingly and who can yet function with the inevitable loss such service brings.

VelvetVacation See my TER Reviews 594 reads
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39 / 49

" It is because we can be open and loving and realistic about life and the way it works. "

 

 

*Thank you, Dr. joe

VelvetVacation See my TER Reviews 527 reads
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40 / 49

Death is Natural.
Orgasm is Natural.

It's amazing what our species has done to CONTROL both of these  
     Natural aspects of being a human being.

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I've done  A lot of doubles and seen a lot of couples. I think it's pretty obvious when the woman isn't feeling comfortable.   Even when she's trying to hide it either for the sake of making money or to please the man she's with.

LeahLayada See my TER Reviews 631 reads
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46 / 49

Maybe after they explain the concept of an alias to me they can explain the concept of accountability and tact to you? *wink wink*  

 
Posted By: Jensen36363

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 498 reads
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I always find it funny when people who have never done this job think they know what it's like because they talked to a handful of sex workers. LOL

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 341 reads
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I do know with most I have to let go after every date, because I know every date can be my last. The nice thing though, is many pre-book the next date right after the date... so I can look forward to it throughout the in-between.

But many you do have to let go - and I say that for both the client and providers.

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Of course I can only speak for myself but to me the opposite is true. To be good at connecting and sharing myself and to encourage others to confidently enjoy and share themselves I feel I need to be authentic, hence, open emotionally. I could not enjoy myself in a healthy way if I did shut myself down. And I don't think I'd be as good at what I do if I did shut myself down/off in any way. But that is just me, I am an either-in-or-out type of person and others may operate differently.  

I do get offended by the assumption that this work is only possible with shutting down emotionally. Yes, I do connect with others on a very intimate level, emotionally, intellectually, physically, but if I believe in connection and in sex as being something good and healthy then I do not see why one would need to shut down while providing this experience

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