I'm curious to get different perspectives on this and share why I choose to offer BBBJ. For context, I'm considered high-end for the small, but noted college town I live in. Virtually all of my clients are upper-middle class, married and middle age.              I told my lady doctor that I had multiple partners and felt weird using condoms for oral sex as I didn't know ANYBODY who did. My civilian friends are  educated, 20something yuppies use them- not even for one night stands with random people they meet at bars.             The doctor said that the main risks for unprotected oral are HPV and herpes. I have HPV (warts were removed years before I started providing) and am resigned to the fact that providing (or even just reg. promiscuity) is like playing russian roulette. However, condoms offer VERY LITTLE protection against these since they usually don't fully cover the infected area. I asked if avoiding having somebody cum in my mouth would help prevent syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia, and was told yes, it helps reduce the risk more so.         Now, for HIV: There isn't 1 recorded case of HIV being passed through oral sex (!) compare that with 15% of syphilis cases being spread though oral sex. During the AIDS epidemic, condoms for oral was pushed really hard, but research has shown the possibility of spreading HIV through oral sex is extremely low, like .001% low.             Never the less, I still carry flavored condoms just in case I have a cut on my mouth of something. I rinse my mouth out with Listerine after sessions. I know I'm taking more risks by offering BBBJ, but frankly feel providing is risky to our sexual health by nature. I'm doing what I can to keep myself safe, while making the clients happy.       One final note, I completely RESPECT that a fair amount of providers are not cool with BBBJ. There are items I leave off the menu (Greek, more than 1 guy, etc.) bc I'm not comfortable with it and know I would not enjoy it. Guys, you'll have a much better session if you respect the provider and her boundaries.        TL/DR: CBJs offer very little protection against the most common stds from oral (HPV & herp), not allowing CIM helps mitigate the risk of other STIs, the risk of HIV is virtually non-existent (i.e. you would be the 1st recorded case of an oral transfer), and I like to keep my clients happy. Providing is risky by nature.

I do it because I can't fk worth a damn lol, but I also have no diseases. Not sure if I read your post right, but if you STILL have HPV or any type of transmittable virus, infection etc. I would never advise doing ANYTHING unprotected in this business, because you are exposing men to that who don't know you have it. Condoms still provide a barrier between fluids, which is why so many of us use them for sex.

Well, Greek is my favorite sex and two of my three ATFs don't offer it to anybody, under any circumstances.  BBBJ my 2nd favorite sex, and one of the three ATFs doesn't offer Greek AND only offers CBJ.  She is still one of my ATFs, though, as the intimacy that she delivers is unparalled in my entire sexual experience.  So, there are guys who can and will look past these things but also many more who will not.  I would have missed out the most intimate experiences of my life had a rejected her for the lack of acronyms.

I think she is saying her HPV was vaginal, not in her mouth but I could be wrong.

I found this supporting your repl

Yeppers...health care gurus unite lol.

I mean I'm clean and don't have anything to hide, but still I don't think I would just introduce to the board like that especially being a newbie.

You would have to do the voice for the opening of the series.

The adventures of Maaagic Meeedic and BPM, crusaders against the EVIL VD.

MM

eidted cause that's what I meant to say, so fk off! lol

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oh and I'm almost drunk, so mistakes get made at this stage haha

I clicked on that link, though I've been there before.

Read it again. They say:
 
"There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV."  

Actually, it is not "documented" which is the only misinformation. The CDC is more CONSERVATIVE about infection because they have to be. I would rather be safe than sorry. Before now, we thought HIV had a shorter dormant stage and now look...can take up to 6 months. We also thought it could not be transmitted by a variety of means, and we were wrong. Fact is, these diseases come back bigger and badder each and every time. I would not be doing shit if I knew for a fact a guy had something.

Though I can't /won't  do without  DATY,  HPV is the leading cause of mouth cancers in men.  

I'm not giving it up either I love it way too much.

The title of this article is " MY GIRLFRIEND FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS HPV "  

Quote :
 Whether a case is "documented" or not depends on the definition.  But I agree with Dr. Cummings -- to my knowledge, there has never been an unequivocally documented oral to penile transmission.

Bbbj may be relatively safe but what if you have a teeth scraper

You must have watched that same episode of "Private Practice" I did the other night where the dude got throat cancer from DATY on his partner with HPV.  

Yes, I read that. Where is the link to the actual case studies? And, yes, there is ambiguity; are they talking about "reported" cases or "documented" cases? (read the info from The Body in my link).

The link I sent is from the foremost site on HIV research in the country. I didn't bother to search around for the newest quote, but the information is there if you want to look. And anyway, the link is not about current research, the important thing I was trying to convey is the info about "reported" cases vs. "documented" cases.

True, and the reason it is so hard to document is because rarely does a person ONLY have oral sex without having regular sex. It is nearly impossible to predict WHERE the virus entered the body, so there are no 'documented' cases, but still. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to interpret that if it's transmitted through "bodily fluids and blood" that oral is a means of transmission.

Cudos to you for working through your own way to justify doing "what you do!"  Obviously you could not have expected to post this and expect the peanut gallery to not comment with their own "Expertise."  I offer NOTHING with respect to the CDC, NIH or other sources of "scientific information."  If you read through the comments you should come to the conclusions:

was the most known cancer resulting from HPV, not throat cancer lol.

Cervical cancer in women.  Oral cancers in men.  Must be some connection.  

They feel great.

I will tell you though, my koolaid probably has a hint of Crown Royal in it. I have hit it heavy the last few days.

refused to get in the pool,  so we headed to warmer places.

MM

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I met a woman during training to do HIV testing that believes she got HIV from oral sex with her male partner.  He was infected and did not tell her.  They were using condoms every time for intercourse to prevent pregnancy, but she would blow him without condoms.  Could she have possibly got it from something other then oral contact with him?  Maybe...but the likelihood from the behavior is it came from performing oral sex, repeatedly, with an infected partner.

Had vaginal HPV but haven't had symptoms (i.e. genital warts, abnormal pap smears) for 5+ years before I started escorting. I contracted HPV when I was still a virgin since it's so easy to transfer from skin-to-skin. I received all 3-rounds of the Gardasil vaccinations, which protect against the most common/dangerous stains.

Ok...thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed if you actually had WARTS as you said in your OP, that they could come back later on even with treatment. It's one of those things that are unpredictable and no one knows 100 percent, I guess.

HPV like Herpes is forever and can be transmitted skin to skin.
If you now have a STD you will have forever its time to turn in your stillettos baby.
You are seeing unsuspecting men married or not and theres a chance you can pass that on.
IMO that's BS very selfish of you.

Only 5 of 57,900,000 people who've contracted HIV/AIDS (36.1 million living & 21,800,000 who have passed) allegedly did so through oral sex (or %0.00000863557 of cases). I would bet my life (pun intended) that most if not all of these peoples had ulcers or cavities at the time of transmission.  

Not sure why you feel the need to be so hostile and insulting, but I guess you get a kick out of trolling people. I don't give a f what you think of me and won't engage you any further, but will just say I hope you get help.

Thank you for this thoughtful and articulate reply. I agree with all of your conclusions. Have a wonderful day, Mr. Superdude!

well you got those pictures of me, didn't you? Did that make you thirsty?  

From the CDC "HPV is so common that nearly all sexually-active men and women get it at some point in their lives. This is true even for people who only have sex with one person in their lifetime."

That you have hpv...

I don't know how GFe gets so blown out of proportion in some pls minds but Greek facials com swallowing these do not define GFE these are more PSE.
I know its all loosly opinion based but a GFE experience is the additude the intimacy not if she swallows your jizz.

about to hit the Crown again in a little bit.  
 
I don't think pineapple and Crown would be as kind on my palate. I have a good friend that makes it for me with just ice and lemon and is pretty good.

I disclosed to my agency when I first joined them that I had genital warts over 5 years earlier, but hadn't had any since, had normal pap smears, and had received the gardasil vaccinations. They thanked me for my honesty, asked me if I had a history of any other STDs (I haven't) and said it was fine. They said that if they screened for HPV history, there would be no girls working.

(disclaimer: heavy sarcasm)

No, it is very true. And according to the website I linked to, if the trend continues, there will be more cases of throat cancer caused by the HPV virus, than cervical cancer caused by the virus.