Here's the PMs exchanged between me and Amandita (AKA Amanda/Cassandra from Ocala, Florida).  Notice how she started the exchange.  It's nice to know what the providers really think of us.  Anger is like alcohol I guess, it brings out the truth.  She also implies that New York somehow deserves terrorism because of our "attitude."  Start from the bottom, and work your way up:

----- amandita wrote:
Go and fuck yourself you are so sad. The reason I PM'ed you is because I didn't want to make a bigger fool of yourself on the board than you already are. It is bad enough you have to pay for sex isn't? I always feel sad for guys who have to pay for sex but then I guess you can't all look like Tom Cruise!

No wonder the New Yorkers have got terrorism haning over their heads with attitudes like yours!!!


----- Aug5 wrote:
It's no wonder you sent me this as a PM, instead of posting it in public.  Calling me "rude New York trash" would probably put quite a damper on your business.  I don't care if you work in Chicago, Tampa, or Santa Fe: there are many many transplanted New Yorkers scattered all over this country.  Something tells me that they wouldn't want to hear a cheap gutter-whore like yourself bad-mouthing their city.  As for your points:

1) I'm upset that you'd stoop to such a childish level.  Lest we forget, the providers are the ones who need to have good "bedroom skills."  We just need cash.  Remember?  Did you get that far in school?  It's a joke if you think we should have to pay AND be great lovers, too.

2)  And if you don't care about the bedroom skills why did you bring it up at all?

3)  Just so you know, I've made deposits in the past... for local girls, not even out-of-town visitors.  You've got some real fucking nerve talking about us that way.  New Yorkers do hard jobs in a hard town.  We pay more for everything.  It's not easy living here.  And we do all this with the constant threat of terrorism hanging over our heads for the last six years, too.  So fuck off!

4)  At least we agree on something!

5)  Yes, I know you live in Florida, and no, I didn't really think you have a fake tan.  You clearly misunderstood the meaning of my post.  So not only are you a rude bitch, you're fairly stupid too.  




----- amandita wrote:
Thanks for replying to my post, just a couple of points here for you:


1) Why are you so upset that I brought up Pajada's bedroom skils and what part of it is a joke?

2) The comment was about not my experience but from my girlfriend who saw Pajada OK? To be honest with you I am not too worried about the bedroom skills when I see a guy. I only worry about the 'work' part of it as you mentioned yourself.

3) Just so that you know, guys in NYC don't do deposits. Their head is up their ass, they don't plan until the last minute and would never agree to pay a deposit for 1 or 2 hours entertainment.

4) You are right it is not science but hookery you guys are paying for!

5) By the way I live in Florida and don't have to use fake tan. I didn't insult NYC I only asked what was wrong with the GUYS in NYC.

Just a last point. Rude ignorant New Yorkers like yourself make me and a lot of other providers stay away from NYC. So get off my case you rude New York trash.

And I guess she's not rooting for the Yankees to come back from their 0 -2 hole with the Indians

I have enjoyed reading your posts in the past.  Not sure why you felt the need to get in the last word.  She will reap what she sows without any help from you.

By the way, I'm from California and am used to a more laid back attitude.  However, I love NYC and the people there.  They are different but a good group of people.

This bitch says "It is bad enough that you have to pay for sex isn't it?  I always feel sad for guys who have to pay for sex....."  How hypocritical is that for her to trash her own 'profession' and herself too?  Hey amandita you slutty whore, what do you think of someone who has sex for money then?  At least we have money to spend and CHOOSE to do this, what do you do besides have sex for money?  My guess is you can't do much else.  With an attitude like yours toward your clients, you're nothing but a skank apparently.

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Ok, Call me Pollyanna Provider if you want, but this is now totally getting out of hand, and it needs to stop.

Here, of all places, we don't need to descend into vulgar attacks about skanks and whores, or losers who allegedly can't get laid.

If the hobbying community has demonstrated nothing else, it is that men don't see providers because they can't get it any other way, and providers aren't in this occupation because they can't get any other kind of job.

The uptight and judgemental elements of our society do a fine job of insulting both hobbyist and provider. We do not need to do their job for them.

I have heard this from other providers and I also think it is a very narrow minded view.  Not being able to get some really ranks low on the list of reasons why we do this.  Like Moe said, we CHOOSE to do this.  We choose to do this becasue of no strings attached, the variety, and the experiences we may not find in the civilian world.  People in glass houses should not throw stones!  Good business people know WHY their cusotmers spend their money.  It does not sound like she has a clue.

Since I have heard this before, but in a different forum, maybe we should take a poll or start a different thread to see if other providers TRUTHFULLY feel the same way.  I don't think we would see too many agree becasue it would be professional suicide. I do think a healthy debate of this topic would shed some light on what providers really think about us.

Remind me again why anyone wants to see the details of your flames with a provider?

I'd rather rip my nostrils open with a boathook than make public here that I'd gotten involved in something like this.

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...since she BLOCKED you.

Let it go. She entitled to her opinion about New Yorkers (or anything else).

I'm a New Yorker and it doesn't bother me.

New York men are late planners (with appointments), Amanda isn't used to that.

I wouldn't take her words as what providers really think about us.


She sounds like she just got too caught up on the message board, and now she's being defensive.


It also sounds like she sucked you in, and I can understand that...


It sounds like arguments me and my ex used to have, where one side says something to try to hurt the other, and then it's "on like Donkey Kong", whereas both sides are just trying to hurt the other, and neither is really being their true self.


Hey, she's got some obvious issues and immaturity.

We ALL have issues.

Just realize issues of others, and try to take control by being aware, so that way they can't get you riled.


I'm not one to preach though, cause I personally love to fight...   heck, I'm good at it! haha   So that's why I love it....    but I've learned, that it sometimes wastes my time and energy, although there are other times, when it needs to be done for various reasons.


No judgments from me, just my .02


Peace

Sounds pretty simple to me - you took her private communication and ran to the crowd. You're an asshole, she called you on it. Oops.

inappropriate and so much of this kind of stuff is going on  I am logging on to TER less and less.
 Moderators, please do you jobs
Beret

What an opening question! Are you supposed to say the obvious that all New Yorkers aren't like that?
It would be like a conversation with Archie Bunker. I didn't anticipate that it could go anywhere good. You'd just find more outlandish insults the further you went.

a real shame that there are girls like this out there.  i was in nyc in may and had a fantastic time.  don't mean to sound like a total bitch, but i now realise and appreciate why i was so popular.  the american feminist mentality is just awful!

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All that sexy talk about giving a nice wet blowjob and riding his big stick, down the drain.  

Too bad, I love talking dirty in PM.  Discretion and some basic trust issues were broken with this whole mess.  

Too bad.

Personally I found both parties' posts to be rude and indefensible.  But to expose the content of someone else's Private Message is the worst offense.  The Mod should have removed it so that other people here won't worry about the same thing happening to them.

Sunny,

Pleeeeeeease pleeeeease keep cybering with me in PM!!!! I almost have enough really juicy ones to go ahead with my next book of Erotica! But don't worry, I'll give you credit for the section about swinging from the chandeliers covered completely in honey.

Signed,
Mama Bear

Get off your soapbox....


You don't need to worry about ANYTHING, if you aren't talking shit to people!!!



Bottom line -  check YOUR SELF, instead of trying to check everybody else, and you won't have these worries.



Goodnite now.

Lets say that I want to open a confidential discussion with someone. I would send an opening non-inflamitory message to open the topic, prefaced with the note: "If you aren't willing to keep this discussion strictly between us then please consider the matter closed". Then I wait for a COMMITMENT from the other party that agrees that we will BOTH keep the matter private. In that circumstance I would consider anyone who breeched the privacy of the ensuing exchange to be pretty much a scum bag.

 Sending a flaming attack to someone directly is rather different. While it might be wise on the receivers part to keep the flame confidential, as the sender, I certainly have no reasonable expectation that they will. This is after all harassment. Just as a harassing phone call is not protected by any expectation of privacy, and can have serious legal consequences, the privacy of a harassing email or other message sent non-publically is equally unprotected.

  While I have not searched the legal decisions on this, I am fairly sure that there have been any number of cases where "private" emails were subpoenaed and introduced in public trials as evidence. Further I'm equally sure that in most cases these emails were solicited. It only makes sense that an unsolicited hostile email would be less protected.

  So now we come to etiquette: Do any of us really believe that good manners requires that we keep an unsolicited attack confidential? Certainly I do not. Historically, I have not been the first to put disputes that originated out side the public eye into the public forum. However that is my personal choice, not a "rule" I would enforce on others.

  Whatever our opinions about the content and merit of this set of exchanges, insisting that making the initial attack public violated some implied guarantee of confidentiality seems, in my opinion, unsupportable.
-J

type of exchange.  I would say, this is representative of less than 5% of each gender.

Not quite sure what about amandita's mentality (as shown in the pm's, I have no idea what she's really like) qualifies her as an American feminist.

I'm a feminist, insofar as I believe women have an equal right to display and indulge in their sexuality

A few people on both sides of the argument brought up feminism for some reason.  Personally, I don't see how feminism applies to the original argument.  Feminism simply means that men and women should have equal rights and responsibilities in a civil society.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I've always considered myself a feminist under this basic definition.  And after reading all the responses to my two threads, it seems that Marea and I are the ONLY two real feminists on this board.  But just so you know, sexual expression is only one small component of feminism.

the worst part is someone can make up ANYTHING and claim it was PM'd to someone.

I could post

"Hey, her's a PM i got from Aug 5.  What a fool he must be!

Old-T.

Watch me get Amandita in trouble by posting a fake PM I will claim she sent me.  It's fun and easy.

Your Pal,

Aug 5"

Obviously there is no way to prove a PM wasn't sent.

Bad, bad form.  Period.

LOL.Kiss and Make up already.

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