I can certainly understand why many providers don't do anal and/or CIM, but CBJ ?! Gimme a fucking break !! Perhaps if mangina hobbyists
stopped patronizing these providers that offered this "noxious menu item" this "practice" would go out the window.

My vote ? A decided "thumbs down".

And for those who don't, there are a significant number of hobbyists who do not want anything uncovered.

There are even some providers who hate doing CBJ owing to the bad taste of latex.

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when i first started escorting I did CBJ. But I got a few bad reviews, and guys constantly complained about it, so I switched to BBBJ so that I could get enough business and to get better reviews. A year ago I finaly went to see a dentist because i kept getting cancer (not sure i spelled that right) sores inside my mouth. The cancer sores turned out to be herpes. No, I didn't quit providing, and no I didn't quit doing BBBJ either. I did start asking guys if they want me to use a cover. if they say yes, great. IF they say no, well then its their responsibility if i give them herpes or not. Not my problem. I take  a prescription to decrease the outbreaks, but it is still no guarantee that i wont give someone the virus. I really don't care though. This is my income so i have no intention of giving up my income. If I give someone herpes i would feel bad about it. I do my part though, I take medicine, and i give guys a chance to go with CBJ. If guys are willing to take a chance on getting infected with something just to enjoy getting sucked off without a condom, that is their choice.

Never again.

I have no problem paying big $ to beautiful ladies------but, if CBJ is added to the mix now,
I simply won't go for it.

& he calls ME a "whining little girl" ?!-------
"WK" can't even spell "whining"----LOL

as expressed by numerous posters here.

Don't forget that TER rating guidelines essentially chop a point off performance scores for doing CBJ. A point doesn't sound like much, but when a lot of guys who don't pay for VIP look at TER, they look at the top-100 list for their area, and the consistent loss of that extra point can have a huge impact on their bottom line.

Those providers that are CBJ only are clearly marked in their TER profile and hence there is no reason to see them if it isn't your cup of tea. So there is already a selection mechanism in place.

But here's the other side of the story.

Some guys may have a lot at stake, and may not be particularly comfortable from a "transmission of disease" perspective receiving a BBBJ from a lady who has provided the same service for literally hundreds of other men; and possibly two other guys earlier that same day. Though it isn't especially common, hobbyists have certainly contracted STDs from BBBJ.

So even though I can understand why most hobbyists would not be fond of CBJ, I believe there is an appropriate niche for this offering where the providers are indeed offering what the hobbyist wants.

There is more STD's that can be spread both ways by BBBJ than DATY. I myself had a run in with Chlamydia from a BBBJ from a lady who doesn't allow CIM. Please don't go and tell others what they should enjoy or what risks they should partake in. BBBJ's are some what risky. We each must decide what risks we should take and which risks are to high.

Now despite the fact even after my experience with Chlamydia I will still go for a BBBJ as I love them and it is safer then BBFS. But I will see a lady that is a CBJ only lady. In fact I think they are the smart ones. MY ATF is a so called CBJ safety girl.

Now if you must get a BBBJ a bit more then half the ladies that provide offer that so go see go see one and quit winning like a little girl about the ones that don't. As for me I will see both CBJ and BBBJ ladies and let them decide what risks to partake in with me. My vote a thumbs up to both BBBJ and CBJ.

Yes this is scoed. Alias used for fun. I fully admit to being a mangina.

Yes I got treated for my case of Chlamydia and am now free of it.

Here is a girl I would love to give me a CBJ or a BBBJ her choice. Photo is from MetArt.com and is of Indiana A.

scoed

so if im getting a fucking GFE>>>>>guess the fuck what?

Who would want to see a provider who gives every single client sees a BBBJ. Since entering the hobby game I have only gotten one BBBJ from a provider, and i knew her for a long time, even then see felt uncomfortable doing it.

You have to be safe when hobbying. the young lady you're seeing may very well have seen up to 4 to 7 guys that day before seeing you. which means it's thursday. This woman you want to give you head with out a condom, more then likely if she's popular has given head without a condom between 15 to 30 different men, in that single week.

Be honest to do you really wanna stick you d--k in her mouth after all them other men have done so without condoms.

You gotta be smart

Hocus Pocus
~It's Magic

However they made it up in so...so...so many other ways. if the passion...attitude... sensuality ..playfulness...kissing...multiple positions..mutual pleasure is all there , I can live with CBJ.  Definitely not a deal breaker.  But that's just me.

My vote two thumbs down, and a half erect dick.

Dude-  your wife or gil frind has sucked at least 100 dicks so whats the big deal.....really?

It may not work for some but there are those who wouldn't do it any other way. It's good that each review spells it out so a man can make his choice and so can the women.

Kisses Haley

I once went for a CBJ provider.  Asked if she would allow CBJCIM in the bag while she finishes me off during CBJ.  She wouldn't even do that.  So, no CBJ for me.

The purpose of OP was to survey hobbyists about whether to see CBJ providers or not. The overwhelming majority of numerous respondents ( including me ) said "no". In nearly 30 years of hobbying & seeing roughly 50 providers in that time ( vast majority giving bbbj ), I have NEVER
gotten a STD.

Now if CBJ providers wanna continue that practice, fine by me, but they have to know that many hobbyists won't frequent them.

Btw, you seem have problems with the proper use of the words "there" & "their".

Can you spell GED ?-------

How do you think I got herpes in my mouth to begin with? I started off doing CBJ. I got shitty reviews, and streams of emails from guys saying they would book me but only if I switched to BBBJ. So I caved and switched. My reviews went from shitty to stellar, and I had more business than I could handle overnight. Now I have pages of outstanding reviews, and herpes.

Why should I be ashamed? I give every man a chance to opt for CBJ. Its on his head if he chooses not to use one. What you fail to realize is that its not my problem if a guy takes herpes home to his wife. He has to explain that, not me. He had the chance to prevent it, but that silly little layer of latex was too much for him to bear. That was his choice, and he can live with it.

There is no doubt that I am not unique either. You must think I'm the only escort in America who has an STD who continues to work in spite of it. That was the entire point of my post to begin with. I am not unique. The only difference is that I wrote a post telling you about it, while other women just keep right on working without ever saying a word. Every time a man sticks his dick in a provider's mouth uncovered, he's taking a chance of getting an STD.

which you certainly could be, since you have no reviews ,then what you're saying is reprehensible. If you KNOW that you have herpes & can transmit it to hobbyists,then YOURE the instance of a provider who should ONLY do CBJ.

God, do you sound bitter & cynical--how you must hate sex & hobbyists.

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I definitely know what your saying, it takes away all of the feelings and intimacy. Now, because I am in a personal relationship with my SO for about a year. I have stop receiving BBBJ from providers. I will however kiss them and DATY, as far as for the little man, I like to keep him cover for the sake of my SO.

It kinda sucks when you see agency girls and pay top dollars and receive CBJ (my preference). But, its a preference for some guys even if providers offer BBBJ. I do it because I am starting to feel guilty for my SO, I just don't want to give her anything--you know what I mean? Every1 is different depending on your situation. Take care, and best.

I have seen a young lady who is terrific in so many respects and we had a great rapport.   I would love to see her again & again but the CBJ stops me from that.

First lady, money is only paper. A person's health is more important than anything else. If you have Herpes, then why would you even offer BBBJ to guys--for the money? Your basically fucking their whole lives up. If you have it, and you know it, then don't offer them BBBJ. Guys will respect you more.

You should be ashamed of yourself!! I feel disappointed for you situation. You go undercover knowing you have a disease and intentionally spreading that disease around. How do you think their SO or wife feels when the Johns contracted Herpes from you? Not to mentioned that it will ruined and totally FUCKED their lives up from future hobbies and relationships. A shame on you!!

The rest have been quite civil. Only you have been acting like a total moron. When I talked to Mcdonald about daty it was just to show the contradictions in his logic. Howard Roarke also brought up his points in a cogent fashion. No problem with him either. When I talk about "mangina hobbyists" why do you take it so personally ? Are you THAT insecure ? But, then again, only an uneducated fool starts off a debate with terms like "pathetic" & "winning little girl" [ sic ] The other hobbyists responded in a rational fashion because they're educated & civil; you're obviously not.

Why bring up BBFS ? Talk about a "straw man"; I would NEVER advocate that.

Btw, "genius" it's spelled "hostile"; a "hostel" is an an inexpensive form of lodging found overseas ;for the benefit of this board, get to one as soon as possible.---

No I am not a ringer. Yes I have reviews. Lots of them. I've kept it to myself for over year now. I've seen posts like this bragging about how quickly guys move on if they see CBJ, or how a girl isn't a "true" GFE if she is CBJ only. So I decided it was time to speak my mind and tell the truth and shame the devil. No I'm not bitter though I would love to hunt down the SOB who knew he had genital herpes and insisted on BBBJ anyways. The entire point of my post was to say that you and you alone are responsible for your health and safety. If you weren't suire before, now you know for certain that there are women out there who know they have an STD, and continue working. If you honestly thought anyone but yourself was responsible for your health, now you know differently. Doing CBJ only means accepting far less business, and being bad mouthed in reviews, and back channel. Maybe its time for that to change? What a crazy idea, right? I don't hate sex, and I don't hate the hobby either. But I'd be lying if I didn't add that I have little respect for men who insist on BBBJ, and are shocked that their preference might actually result in catching something. As I said, I always give men the opportunity to opt for safety. All a man has to do is say 'yes please' when I wave a cover at him. If he says no, the risk is on his head, not mine. Now go forth and hobby, and the next set of lips you watch wrap around you dick, just close your eyes and hope she isn't me. Because she could be.

Haven't seen an alias flipped in a while...but I think a "supposed provider" is clearly discussing her STD and not concerned about who she infects is a health hazard to the community at large.

Mods..can you at least PM me and verify that this poster is NOT from Chicago?  Or visiting there any time soon?

That doesn't mean that the posted is telling the truth.  I have no knowledge that they aren't but you can't believe everything you read.  We all know there are risks, and this post doesn't change that for the better or the worse.

CBJ is the way to go. Hey I enjoy my hobby and I don't want it to catch up with me. Safe sex is the only way to go. So even if you are not likely to get HIV there a lots of other nasty STDs that don't respond to antibiotics like they used to.

Condoms are the only way to go, but I don't like dinging a provider because I use them for me

You have not come close to making either case. Basically what he is saying is that he believes the risk of oral transmission of STDS is so slight that it makes no sense from a business standpoint to exclude this service from the menu.

    Now he may be wrong about this but you have not made that case – your personal experience could be one in a million.

    Or it may be  inappropriate of him to urge the ladies to take any risk for the purpose of increasing his pleasure and the lady’s client base, or to suggest a boycott of the ladies with a limited menu. That is a legitimate criticism. But there was nothing “pathetic” or “egotistical” about his post.

     And frankly, if you wish to be an advocate for the ladies’ health, your advice should be - get another job. Providing is fraught with serious risks of disease transmission, from STDS to the flu. Condom usage provides limited protection from disease- it says so right on the box. I think it is a bit disingenuous for anyone to regularly engage these ladies in their providing business and then display moral outrage about someone else discouraging condom bjs – that is a tiny, tiny risk they face in the grand scheme of things.

There are risks to performing BBBJ, primarily for the giver.
You don't like it?  That's fine and well, I don't knock your choices.
However you might try understanding that everyone else has the right to make theirs as well.

why is anyone who prefers it automatically a 'mangina'?

Enough already with that idiotic term. It belongs to the little children on myspace.

Any time someone has a different preference or disagrees with a hobbyist, they are suddenly a 'mangina'. Grow up. You don't get to dictate preferences.

And I know its not just you. There are plenty of other drama queens who toss that term around as well.

I wouldn't see you if someone paid me to do so.

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OMG------I was expecting you to "tear into me"---------what did I do right ?-----LOL !

Funny thing-----I always have gotten angry about hobbyists bitching about the cost of high priced providers; ludicrous thing to do & what I truly consider "whining".

But in re to BBJ, you nailed the risks right on
the head, so to speak. I''m legitimately annoyed at the cbj trend & have declined booking with several providers who offer that menu "item". I'm not saying CBJ providers shouldn't ply their trade------far from it-----but felt this was a venue to voice my irritation
at this trend & say I wouldn't frequent those type of providers. That's it in a nutshell.

Lastly, on other topic, I see Zisk acting up in this thread------think he likes to argue for sake of arguing------lMAO !

No reason to pretend about this stuff. We;re not kids. We make our choices and we have to live with them.

Sorry to hear what happened to you. We all risk something in this.


HalfHour

weak. No one cares. Really.


HH

I'm perfectly content knowing that there are many hobbyists who will never meet me because I care enough to not only care about myself, but also take responsibility to help ensure the health of my visiting friends.  It's all good.

Realize that there IS risk (even if low) in receiving BBBJ, be aware that someone who gives you that service is likely doing so for MANY others, know that there are many immoral and unethical individuals in this world.  Whether you get something from someone who knows they have it or not, YOU are the one who will need to live with any consequences of the choices you make in seeking pleasure.  Put on your big boy pants and accept responsibility for your own actions!

I can't spell worth shit but even I have enough sense not to tell others not to play safe. That is what you are doing. Yes my wife probably over a thousand cocks in her life. She has been providing since before she was legal. 11 years of providing, that is a hell of a lot of cock.

Thing is the risks she took she was took. But to tell anyone that they shouldn't play to there comfort level is wrong and that is what you did. There is nothing wrong with a provider or a hobbyist playing it safe. If you only want BBBJ's there are a great many providers that will gladly preform that service.

There is nothing wrong with using that as a search criteria and only seeing ladies that preform the services you are looking for. But to tell others what to do on there dates or who to see is so egotistical as to make you pathetic. You are a whining little girl crying because some of us don't play by your rules.

For some BBBJ is too risky and others don't mind a good CBJ there are girls that cater to that crowd. There are some that really need/want the increased stimulation of a BBBJ and don't mind the risk there are tons of ladies that cater to that crowd. There is even some who like to play it real risky and have BBFS/anal and there is even ladies that will see that crowd. I wouldn't knowingly touch anyone in that last group but they are out there. To each there own, and no one has the right to say to any one your playing to safe and you need to change to please them.

Now grow up and let each decide for themselves how much risk to take or not to take. BBBJ's as much as I love them, are not safe, even though I do partake for time to time. I have got burned in the past. Just imagine how bad it would have been if my wife wasn't cool with me hobbying after I gave her a case of oral Chlamydia. Just think how much that could have costs. And you think you have the right to tell others how much risk to take. You sir are a fool.


scoed

P.S. Here is anther photo. Again from Met Art.com. This time it is of Monika D.

Which is there right and there is nothing wrong with there choice even though it isn't mine.

providing a safe service would be a must if I was seeking any services from a escort .

Its all fun and games until you get something that stays with you for life.

The provider that posted above should tell people about her mouth herpes and see how many will continue to see her with or without a condom . She says she gives the option.Lol
Even if your medicated you can still transmit herpes without having a outbreak.

Gosh talk about selfish,I wonder if she got HIV if she would still provide because thats her income ?

Some people have no heart and money has just made them pure evil to knowingly spread disease .

Lets start with the OP

"I can certainly understand why many providers don't do anal and/or CIM, but CBJ ?! Gimme a fucking break !!"

Sure sounds like you are telling providers what services they should offer.

"Perhaps if mangina hobbyists
stopped patronizing these providers that offered this "noxious menu item" this "practice" would go out the window."

Sounds like to me you are calling all those that see CBJ girls "manginas" and telling us who we should see. Also looks like you can't tell the enter button from the space bar.

Then you have been very vocal going after everyone who does not share your opinion. Lets look at them.

To try to discredit McDonald000 point about it is to much risk you said:

"You can also get a STD from DATY, Mc---------EOM"

Even after SolaLove said, "You don't like it?  That's fine and well, I don't knock your choices.
However you might try understanding that everyone else has the right to make theirs as well." Which basically said some guys will not see her for her choice to play it safe, you showing your own lack of reading comprehension replied:

"Like hobbyists not seeing cbj providers as expressed by numerous posters here."

Something she basically said in her post, but you decided you must throw that in to show just how unwise her choice is because she failed to agree with you that she should offer a BBBJ instead of a CBJ.

Then you went after me but I will admit to starting it. And you even when to point out that you would not make the same trade off HowardRoarkisHere was fine with. That is you going after nearly everyone that dared disagree. My reading comprehension is fine my friend. The title of this thread was to survey hobbyists about CBJ providers but everything else was to put down those that don't do what you feel we should do. Maybe not directly but the intent is clear. There is to many examples to think otherwise.

Yes we get that you do not like CBJ's. I read that loud and clear. Guess what I don't have an issue with that. It is just arguing with every guy stating he don't mind a CBJ you have made it clear that you feel our choices are invalid.

Now to your point that I can't spell, miss use certain word, and my general lack of formal education, You are right. I can't spell. My mind thinks almost 100% in oral words so the words like there, they're, their all read the same to me so I screw them up. I admit it. It is also true I lack much in the way of formal education. Yes, I was luck to graduate high school. I admit all of this.

But even an uneducated idiot like me can see how hostel you are to any that don't agree with you. I can show you thread after thread of going after anyone who does not share your world view on anything. Even something as small as a CBJ.

Guess what when you said, "Now if CBJ providers wanna continue that practice, fine by me, but they have to know that many hobbyists won't frequent them." they already know they are turning away customers just like those that don't offer BBFS are as well. Guess what the CBJ ladies think their safety is more important then your money and are fine with the fact you will never see them.

Good for you on not getting an STD after seeing 50 providers. But it only takes one unlucky time and that streak is ended. Not everyone wants to take that risk, and others are fine with that choice and will see them any way, no matter what you say.

scoed

No photo for you this time. You don't deserve it.

I know of anther lady that knows she has an STD and still will engage in unsafe sex practices.

Only two posters left to complete your bashing of all that don't agree with you. But with this bash I agree with you 100%. This woman is a has no morals what so ever. But so you really believe she is the only one that as such an attitude? I can promise you that attitude of not caring at all for the other partner is out there among both hobbyists and providers. The risk is real my friend. Why do you have such a issue with those who choose not to take it?

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It is only $235 bucks to get tested. That isn't that much at all. Everyone should be tested regularly that plays, CBJ or no. Condoms fail sometimes. It is a fact of life.

That is exactly why I brought it up. Your OP was so clearly hostile to anyone that offers only a CBJ or seen ladies that offers a CBJ I had to find some way to see that not all can take the risk you are pushing. So I upped the risk level to the point it was not acceptable to you (or anyone sane), in hopes that you would see that everyone has there own risk level and that it should be respected. I do know of people that do engage in that very "straw man". They think there choice of risk is fine. BTW, my risk tolerance is similar to yours as I do partake in a good BBBJ from time to time.

The only reason to bring up Mcdonald's contradictions in his logic is to argue or discredit him. By the way since DATY is lower risk the receiving a BBBJ there was know contradiction in his logic. There is no such thing as a risk free sex act so it is all about the level of such risk.

Now as for me being upset about being called a mangina. I am not. Hell I call my self that all the time. What got me riled is you putting down the preferences of others. I have a big issue with any who belittle those who try to push others into expanding their sexual choice beyond what they feel comfortable with, which you did.

I do agree that only a fool fool starts off a debate with terms like "pathetic", "winning little girl" and "mangina". Also only a fool starts a "survey" by cussing at and belittling one opinion in that "survey". I guess we are both fools. You established the tone of foolishness and I just followed suit.

Again with the bashing of my education and spelling. Are you really that much of a one trick pony that that's all the better you can do? I have already admitted to such yet you are still so fixated with it. It makes one wonder why.

This is getting boring. You have yet to address any of my points and I have addressed nearly all of yours. You have done little besides back-peddle and point out the obvious. I will let you have the last word as I am done.

One question before I go, why are you so hostile to those that play it safer then you?

scoed

Let me end with a good note. This photo is again from MetArt.com. This one is of Sharon D.

I have no issue with the risks anyone choose to take. My only issue is with anyone pushing anyone else to do something they don't feel safe with. I honestly think that anyone that does not respect the choices of others in regards to safety and sex are pathetic. And pushing your choices on others is very egotistical, that is why so many here have such an issue with religious groups.

Again I have no issue with his personal stance on enjoying a BBBJ and only seeing providers that provide such. Only his belittling of those who choose not to. I am not in anyway trying to advocate any behavior or ladies heath just that choosing not to engage in any sex act is a respectable choice. I am mostly neutral on his so called survey on CBJ providers as I see both but not his attitude.

Scoed

I remember seeing a lady in Vegas who insisted on this.  Rather than being a jerk, I simply expedited things to FS, which I greatly prefer anyway.  She apparently did too...

I'll edit out the point about saying things like this, and making it onto some ladies' DNS list...

Now do you wave a dental dam at a client Before you let him kiss you? Would you share your testing  results if asked to do so by a client? Do you advertise and promote the fact you offer BBBJ ? Do you claim disease free in your ad? Do you do doubles with other ladies?

"Put on your big boy pants and accept responsibility for your own actions! "

THe best advice I have seen on any poon board!!!!!

I don't buy that you bear no responsibility by asking the question.  If you told them you have herpes before asking if they want a cover, then the client truly can make an informed decision.  There is absolutely an assumption that you are disease free when that question is asked.  I realize that your point is that that assumption should not be made.  You are being dishonest and bitter in believing that most hobbyists should/would see it the same way as you.  

You assumed the asshole that gave you the diseased was safe.  Now you are doing just as he did.

how about DFK? can you get a std?

How about kissing? Can you get a std.

Herpes both 1 and 2, human papillomavirus virus, and syphilis can be spread from DFK. It is a lower risk sexual activity but it isn't risk free. There isn't a risk free sexual activity but risk is part of life. It is up to each person to decide what risks are worth it for them, and what risks are not. No one should put someone down because wish to play safer them they choose to play. Find a lady that caters to your risk tolarance and have fun.