Somebody asked about phone sex, and I'm thinking WTF? Why? There is free porn online, chat rooms, etc. I don't get it.

That being noted, and something similar, do you go to strip clubs? I read about guys spending as much if not more than having real sex with a provider. They're just getting a bump and grind and maybe a hand job. There is no guarantee of FS. If you do, its a nasty 'private room' with who knows what you're sitting on. I don't see the allure of a strip club.

Thoughts?

I'd visit the clubs in Boston's old Combat Zone.  Got taken in a champagne room too.

They were a thrill to an innocent young stripling like me, but today I have no interest.

in a strip club, I was still in the military (active reserves), 1990.

We used to have M&G's in Atlanta in a "normal" bar restaurant, followed by an after party at a strip club. Now THAT is fun, a bunch of mongers with a bunch of hookers, many of whom who "play for both teams" makes for a VERY fun evening. Plus you don't have to worry about "trying" to get laid. lol

 
As for going to strip clubs, spending  a fortune, and "hoping" to get laid, yes I have to agree with your assessment, but if you don't go crazy, don't think that you HAVE to get laid by one of the dancers right then and right there and you can control yourself, you can have a great time in a strip club, and even pull some great talent from time to time.  

 
Now I am talking about strip clubs in this country of course, in many other countries strip clubs also double as wide open brothels, and a GREAT time can be had, guaranteed, but you need "local knowledge" to know where you are going to have fun and where you are simply going to get ripped off.

Some of my best times happen in clubs in Vegas, but after hours and after I have seen my date and she has adjourn for the morning. You're more chilled and relaxed and you don't come off as "Gung ho" or desperate. I go for the eye candy and just to relax. I don't do the VIP thing. A few dances here and there, maybe get a number or two. The girls sense your air of confidence and you walk in like your "shit don't stink" (It really doesn't so go figure..lol).
It's hard to explain but they see you as a challenge and it's a different vibe. But I remember I pissed off some Israeli chick...lol

... there used to a place not far from my Manhattan neighborhood, near the West Side Highway, where things were pretty wild and fee -- hj, bj and more. I managed to play there and escape STD-free. But that was a while ago and now, there are so many lovely and less expensive options, why bother?

All right, that settles it, just as soon as this Corona crap is behind us, you, me, and lopaw have to go to a strip club.

 
The only problem I see is that ALL of us have the same taste in pussy, we may have to work out some ground rules unless you want to agree that it's each man, err each horndog for him/herself. lol  At least in So Cal there are PLENTY of Asian hotties to go around.

Turned me down because I have not asked her.  It’s not my style to ask someone  to include me in their plans.  If she wants to do that, she will ask when she’s ready.  Meanwhile, I will respect her privacy. We still PM from time to time about Asian girls.

Follies in Atlanta is worth going to.  I would only go during the day time.  It is not in a bad area of town it is just a different club.  By 2pm everyday it is standing room only 7 days a week... girls are AA, White, and Latino about an even split during the day.  I have never been disappointed in the money I spent there

I started going to clubs in the mid 90s. I found out about escorts in 2008, well I found I could afford them. I had my first session in '09. Clubs can be more expensive but don't have to be. I wasn't looking for sex when I started going to clubs. (Just divorced) I wanted to get out, have some fun, and enjoy the company of good looking ladies. Bonus they would get naked and dance for money. I got married again in '99. Quite going to clubs. Divorced again on '06, went back to clubs but this time wanted more. Began getting bbbj cim in VIP. Dances, drinks, VIP, I would spend minimum $300 but I was there for a few hours so by time it wasn't expensive and I was enjoying myself.

 

Then I found out about escorts in my area (one of my dancer friends went to work for an agency). One hour $275/300 and bbbj, covered FS, lots of kissing and hugging with all sorts of goings on! I stated somewhere on here years ago I hadn't been in a club in years. It was true then.

 

 
Occasionally I would go to a club to see some eye candy and have a drink or just see some old friends. Probably because of my experience with escorts I took time to talk to the dancers but was in no hurry to do anything. I would occasionally let them know I saw escorts. I'd ask what they were comfortable with in VIP. They never freaked out about that question and since I was honest and open with them they were with me. Whatever their answer was I still spent time with them, had them dance for me, and bought them a drink. If they were open to covered FS I wouldn't do a VIP with them until the next time I saw them. Covered FS, bbbj, sometimes cim, sometimes not, but it was easy to get sex in VIP. Even if they were not open to sex in VIP I would still spend time with them getting dances. I enjoyed their company.

 

I still see escorts but I go to my favorite strip club regularly and I have sex in VIP nearly every time. When I don't have sex I get a bbbjcim swallow. I have 4 favorite dancers. I occasionally spend time with a few others. Do I spend more than if I did an hour with a provider? Yes, but I'd be drinking and eating somewhere. I don't do as many table dances as I used to (sometimes none) but the ladies don't care because I'm taking them to VIP at some point. The VIP total is $300 but I get a lot of time before (and after) enjoying their company. The VIP rooms are clean, well lite, and comfortable. But I admit not as nice as an apartment or hotel room.  

 

It's like ice cream. Sometimes you want vanilla and sometimes you want strawberry or something else. I like seeing a provider for an hour or two. I also like being there for hours enjoying the company of multiple ladies and sex. I like the club doesn't take any planning. The ladies are there. Some of my favorites are popular so I arrange a time and day while I'm there seeing someone else or send a text. Take a little time, get comfortable with the place. Let them get comfortable with you. Treat them well, tip appropriately.  

 
I of course spend more when I hang out there for hours but my cost for the sex time is the same or a little less than an hour with an escort. It's up to me if I want to have sex and leave or hang out for a long time. How much a club costs compared to seeing an escort is up to you.  

 
I do have a couple of the dancers that will come to my place for sex. I only pay them for the sex time. We go eat and come back and hang out. We don't watch the clock. The cost has been discussed ahead of time and agreed upon.

All the way over by the West Side Highway? Whereabouts? South, maybe near Murray St.? Midtown, maybe around 44th? A real fixed place with neon signs and flashing lights or one of those underground / roving clubs?

There is NO WAY you can make that meeting happen if you don't include me. And for the record, as lopaw knows, I spend a significant amount of time (and $$$) in LA Strip Clubs. I forbid it based on my total lack of authority to do so!  
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The dozen and a half clubs in a roughly 15  mile radius can offer virtually any menu you can desire - if you have the right  resources, time and technique.  Not all menus at all clubs, but at least one or two (or 4) will have what you want.
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And no, I have not yet had the pleasure of getting some club-centered hang time with lopaw. But I think it's about time.  
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Life is good.
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Things are cheap where you are! (Atlanta, GA?) Up north, the bottle is at least 150. Add in tax and the obligatory gratuity to the host/hostess who carries the champagne bucket and seats you and the dancer in the VIP room, maybe 25-50. Then there is the obligatory tip for the dancer before anything even happens to cover her lost table dance revenue by being stuck in the VIP room for an hour, maybe 100 to 150. Now, after paying out $300 to $400, you can finally find out how much additional the bj is going to cost.  
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The champagne is the "fee" to use / rent the VIP room. Clubs can't say "Private VIP Room, $150 per hour -- towels extra."  At at least one club, the host/hostess setting up the date would tell the customer that they had to BUY the champagne but didn't have to open it; they could put it in a bag for takeout.  
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NOTE: Is this info still correct? In NY and MA, a liquor license for a liquor store lets them sell full, sealed bottles and they are forbidden to sell individual drinks (except for those sealed one-shot mini-bottles).  Likewise, a liquor license for an eating and drinking establishment lets them sell drinks to be consumed on the premises only and they are forbidden to sell a sealed bottle of booze "to go" (and probably even an open bottle of booze "to go").  If that's still true, champagne is either exempt or nobody cared about the rare case of champagne-to-go.

A real fixed place with lights, etc. Catering more to the commuting trade I suspect and probably Mafia. As mentioned near West Side Highway downtown, north of Murray, south of West 10th. No longer there I believe, at least in its former incarnation...

No clubs I have been in do the champagne stuff. No drinks required. I do my club time during the day shift. More laid back vibe to daytime. The dancers are more regular like a 9 to 5 job. Pay a straight room fee, tip waitress and bouncer, pay dancer. We already know what we're going to do and how much before we get in the room. But this is how I do it. I know alot of guys don't do it this way. I know guys get ripped off and dancers make promises they don't intend to keep.

 
It's the same here about no carry out of alcohol.

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I do agree about daytime. Less customers, more attention given and more chances for some serious fun...

Hmmm ... Between Murray and 10th ... no clue. It was probably a GOOD thing I didn't know about it back then. It might have been even more time and money down the drain!  
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The "mainstream" strip club on Murray St. was all showroom downstairs but they had private(?) rooms upstairs. I never went up those stairs. Back then, I assumed it was all expensive champagne and no action up there.

She wants to go to a club and dance for me. I said hell yes sounds like fun. But we have not done it yet. I have not been to a club in 20 years. I am sure they have changed. Can't wait to see her dance for me.  It will be fucking hot.  

You might think that she's dancing for you, but I'll be thinking that she's dancing for ME ... as are the other 100 guys and gals (hi, lopaw!) in the club.

Then maybe you will be "thinking" she is dancing for you, but he'll be "knowing" it.

 
Nice try IMP, but a man who is secure dating a hooker/stripper is NEVER going to get bothered by comments like this from the peanut gallery.

and if you come home smelling like whore, most wives/girlfriends are more accepting of a guy's night out at the strip club than if you were boinking a hooker on the way home from work.  

 
I went a few times a month before I discovered this hobby, but I mainly cut back because my ATF retired and the stories she told me of the hustles some strippers pull kept me from going back much after she left.

 
PROs:
You can window shop first. If you don't like what you see you don't have to buy.
More socially acceptable, both as a night out with the guys and don't need to hide an occasional trip from the SO.

As far as phone sex goes, I've never tried it, but if COVID19 gets in the way of my hobbying, I would give phone sex with my ATF a go. Over the last few years we've had a number of long phone conversations and regardless of the topic, her voice gives me wood.  

Extras in the VIP rooms is a thing in the Detroit area. A range of clubs with price ranges varying by how nice looking the girls are. You negotiate the extras with the girl before you go back.

Ok my mongering friends-when this house arrest is lifted we'll all go on an LA/OC stripclub crawl. Nude clubs only, first watered down soda's on me!

One of my stripper friends told me this story: There was a well known customer (he owned a major business in the area) who liked her to sit with him and he'd buy her drinks. She mentioned to Management that she felt uncomfortable sitting with him. "Why?" she was asked. She said, "I think he's with the Mafia." She was assured by Management's reply: "HE's not the Mafia. WE are the Mafia!"

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/coronavirus-now-shutting-down-another-set-atlanta-icons-strip-clubs/wlJ9E8TvMEcKxLMNapQNRI/

.......since I was in any kind of strip club anywhere. I quit drinking completely about 20 years ago, and stayed away from them, and a lot of other places, for several years. About 3-4 years into being sober, I decided to pay an after-work visit to a place where I'd been a regular (Fritz in Bellflower, CA). After less than an hour and 2 non-alcoholic beers, I I found that I was actually pretty bored.

Haven't been back to any since then.

I go on occasion. As other have said knowledge of the club and how it operates is key. Going in blind or drunk turns into an expensive night

I like boobies. And if I can see boobies, and get good healthy food at the same time, so much the better. I don't get lap dances let alone go to the private rooms but I have been to catch a lunch or two in a strip club. Also I have taken my wife to a few. Before I met her she used to poke dance and strip and she enjoys the art and the boobies of it all. (She is quite bi).

I would also suggest deciding on your limit (cash limit) ahead of time and go in with that amount of cash (and a small buffer for a ride home).  Be very careful if you use plastic in a strip club.
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http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29002659/hustlers-jennifer-lopez-strip-club-final-line/
(The major real story scam took place at Scores, not Hustler.)  

When you cannot shoot it off!  Strip clubs have never appealed to me.  I have always preferred Indies,  Services, brothels, and massage parlors.  At least I leave pretty much having accomplished what I expected.

When you bring your own talent along with you. lol

 
Nothing is more pathetic than some loser spending thousands and thousands of dollars in the "hope" of getting laid someday. OTOH, nothing is more fun than a dozen mongers accompanied by a couple of dozen hookers all having a party at a strip club.  

 
This used to be a regular thing we would do "back in the day" in Atlanta some 10-15 years ago. We would have an M&G at a sports bar or some such place and then have an after party at a strip club, and then of course an after-after party after that with the lady of your choice. Ah the good old days.

Back in the day, yes, I went to strip clubs.   Boulder, Colorado, we were a group of grad students with too much leisure time.   Early 90's, the place was the Bustop, out on the edges of town.   They are closed down now permanently, but every Wednesday night that was our go to hangout.   One of my buddies hooked up with one of the dancers, I did my best with another without success, another guy used to go there mid day and graded his papers for his classes while watching the action.   Good times!

"...come on down, gentlemen, show the ladies that you appreciate them..."

yeah, I used to go to strip clubs, there was this one notorious place in Portland, Oregon, on Broadway near burnside.   It was the mid 90's and I was visiting some friends and we were all down and out on our luck in life for various reasons and went there on Christmas Eve.     Mary's Club.    Open every day of the year.   Guess it's still there.

Like The Naked Eye perhaps?  That was an interesting place.

I don't remember a VIP room at the Naked i.  The (original) Glass Slipper had one, I think. They had a back room ... never dared to enter it.

2020 - 45 = 1975. That was around the heyday or rise to the heyday of the Combat Zone.  There must have been at least 12 and maybe as many 20 strip clubs (not counting the theaters and smut shops) squeezed into a few square blocks. Jerome's Naked i (later, just the Naked i Cabaret), Pussy Cat Lounge (I think that was the one just across Beach St. from the Naked i), Teddy Bare Lounge, Two O'Clock Club, Pink Pussycat, The Glass Slipper, The Mousetrap, ...  
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The Naked i and the The Glass Slipper were the two clubs. They both owned the properties they occupied so third party landlords couldn't be pressured to kick them out. The Naked i went dark in the late 1990s. The Glass Slipper was able to negotiate some kind of deal where they sold their building to developers but kept their licenses to operate and they moved across the street to a new place on LaGrange St..  
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My first time at a Combat Zone strip club, the Naked i, a friend and I just sort of slipped in with another group and we weren't carded or anything. We took seats at the bar.  We caught the tail end of one very energetic act and the first two or three songs of another act (Salty Pepper, a svelte, pretty, not-energetic, just a stroller, black girl) before we were noticed and "asked" to leave the premises. There was a LIVE BAND providing the musical accompaniment! Drums, sax, trumpet, (+ other?) ... just a small combo, on the stage.  
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There's a blog with a lot of reminiscences about the old Combat Zone:  
http://www.universalhub.com/glossary/combat_zone_the.html

Would you be a stripling or a sapling.  Lol

a stripling with a stripper, but ended up a sap.