You for posting personal email communications which shows that you are indiscreet.
He for being a total clusterfuck and untrustworthy hobbyist.

Of course, if you are making this all up for the 2010 Drama Queen award, you have earned points.

Even in this den of thieves w/o honor and integrity, we have just a bunch of shit thrown against the wall. I suspect more than a good number of reviews no matter the venue are inflated for this or that. So, yes, dismiss this motherfucker with extreme prejudice. He's also that guy that will get you busted because he'll brag about his exploits in a bar sitting next to LE.

You don't think this was being indiscreet?

To quote your paraphrase..
"Yes I am the photographer that does the VIP features for EROS.COM"

You have now put an EROS photographer/s under the scope. That's being indiscreet. Publishing private emails on a public board is being indiscreet.

I was contacted with this email but after that immediately IM's me while thru CV:

I am a VIP TER member and write many reviews. I would like to know what kind of a discount I can get If I take the time to give you a thorough review. The only thing that I ask is that you let me be honest. I will let you know what the outcome is right after the session. If you are not satisfied I will not post it.  Yes I am the photographer that does the VIP features for EROS.COM
Thanks John  (dunno if that is his name because the name in the email said something else).

Now he didn't give a TER handle but I pretty much say I don't barter, trade or discount for reviews and if he were more professional. I say if you want an appt you are going to make one period, if you feel you want to go out of your way to do one you will do so period and I hope it'd be honest. He says I stand to gain a lot and that a lot of. I wrote I understand certain looks will get better ratings regardless and I'm a good provider but I can't make someone give me all 8's or 9's or a 10.

He goes on about being a pro journalist and photog and he does a lot of writing. He's vague on what I guess him reviewing me would do for me. He claims A WHOLE LOT of VIP providers do this and I said great dare to be different but i'm not them. He says why am I angry (I hate when people say or write stupid things and can't get why you would be offended or angry) and I said you just asked me to you my body for a cheaper price for a high review. He says I understand why you can't.

I said it's not that I can't it's that I WON'T....big difference. Some dishonest sh*t going on. For a glowing review he would request 2hrs for most ladies hh rate...NOW before I decided to rip him a new one and call him everything I could think of I kindly ignored him from my IM.

How many guys are giving 9's and 10's for discounts? How many of these "classy" "top" providers giving discounts? I'm sure most won't answer I am but ugh. I sat looking at my laptop screen like WTF just happened. The convo was much longer and a waste of time I can't get back but that was most of it in a nutshell.

Do some guys purposely try to turn nice women into straight up b*tches?

She already charges just over SW prices as it is, her full rate is barely over a hundred bucks as it is, how much of a discount could he possibly be asking for?

I think she is just an attention whore, and where were the mods on this one? One or both of them must have been asleep at the wheel, or maybe they thought that exposing her bullshit to the board was of more benfit than muzzling her?

She not only lists every service she provides and how much extra it costs, but she actually has a map to her incall location on her CV ad to boot.

I would hope all hobbyist whose standards are low enough to consider her in the first place would be scared off by her total lack of discretion. I can't imagine any sane hobbyist booking a session with this completely indiscreet provider.

The hobbyist is allegedly a photographer. Common sense will tell you that he looked at her website and saw her photos. You would think that he would try to barter some photo sessions. That would make more sense then him trying to barter for a review.
Yep. I call BS again. Points awarded.

I have not experienced it but have read many posts on this subject from both sides.  I would not ask to trade nor would I give a false review.  But I have heard it is a regular thing for certain hobbiest.  Reputations are something that should be good,  not bad and those who act poorly are normally judged harshly.  I have also heard the stories of being called back after a review that the provider did not think was up to her expectations which I also do not think is proper unless it is just plain false.

there are predators and scam artists. the important thing to realize is that they don't have the power to make you into one of them. you'd have to be willing to cooperate and give them the power to do that.

vent, reject that kind of behavior and move on. the lessons he's teaching are not worth learning.

Sorry to but your bubble but I don't have time to nor do I care to make this type of BS up but for you to halfway think i'd both to sit here and make it up I forgive you since you don't know me well. And what personal info aside from a name that might not be his. And pffft doesn't show i'm indiscreet it saved me time in a nutshell paraphrasing what he wrote it's not like you know who it is so anyways......

It was absurd he claimed he was such a professional and that so many pro ladies and hobbyists did this...dunno if it's true or not but it's terrible. Now I feel a hobbyist lol wondering what's tainted and what's not.

It did feel good to vent  lol lil' bit.......a lot. And for him to claim he works for eros though and I asked him how many his approach worked on and he claimed a whole lot he's written reviews for so I tried to look him up and I don't see one review written by this guy.

Duly noted....I wish I could get that 10 mins of my life back lol

Lol thank you....I can be a tiny bit short-fused so it was easier to click the ignore user. It gives me a headache when people try to play me for not just cheap but stupid...you almost want to take it personally.....almost.

you really can't trust anything he says. he has no business ethics.

As far as attention goes, if you call a page and a half of poor and mediocre reviews, combined with SW prices is any indication, any attention given to you at all will be that of the negative kind.

I bet the mods are secretly lol'ng at this, but are probably too chickenshit to admit it. I bet it's the only reason they allowed the thread in the first place.

Dufus out. roflmfao

Nice job, maybe that leash is in order?

Anyone ever tell you, "when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging"?

Let's face it, you are a subpar provider with horrible reviews trying to draw a little attention to yourself. You can accuse me of anything you like, but can't blame your lack luster reviews on me, those are all on you.

Now I'm done. roflmfao

All you have done is make reference to a supposed photographer for eros.com. Just how is that supposed to help anyone in the unlikely event that you story has any merit? You haven't exposed anybody, except yourself of course.

True but idiots who do crap like that need to exposed as he is a menace. Besides there is a good chance he was full of crap anyway and nothing is that email was on the up and up. By the way she did not publish the actual email she paraphrased it there is a difference. I  see nothing wrong with her post but maybe I am in the minority but maybe not. You are entitled to your opinion and she posted under her review linked TER handle so if that post bothers you, you can avoid her. As for me if I am in her neck of the woods I may have to show her my wood, as I would love she her.

I always read reviews with a grain of salt as some are plain bull crap. True most aren't but there are to many reasons to fake a review to ever rely on just reviews. That is why when I screen for ladies reviews are't the only thing I look at and I spend the time to back-channel the lady. I always have two or three different sources of information on a lady before I see her, Her reviews are only one source no matter how many she has and on how many sites.

He was full of crap and you called him on it and kept you integrity. Guys who use reviews as tools to curry favor and/or discounts and ladies who manipulate their clients get good reviews are why I spend so much time back-channeling information instead of going just off of reviews. It is sad but many people on all sides of the envelope in business have no honesty or integrity. I learned that the hard way on my first session with a so called provider.

is probably fruitless

and probably dangerous lol

In an environment where sex is traded for money (including SO / marriage relationships many times lol),
anything can happen. At least hopefully the major motivations are clear, but this as well cannot always be assumed....

However, people can be ethically challenged in one or a few areas, be practicing a lifestyle of self-gratification, and still not be predatory, have a certain respect for the wellbeing if not at least the superficial dignity of others.....

I just do not assume this going in....

She hasn't exposed anybody. All she has done is make a bunch of accusations against some unknown hobbyists who to the best of her knowledge is NOT a photographer for eros.com and doesn't even have any reviews. Wow, that's really helpful information. NOT

All she has done is create a thread about her, nothing of any benefit to the community. Just another worthless accusation against no one in particular by a subpar provider with lousy reviews, no business and too much time on her hands.

A guy tries to low-ball someone by claiming he's a big time reviewer and a photographer.  That he can do great things for her business because HE is macho importante.  Yea, he deserves being ridiculed even without his name.

But what's your beaf with her posting this?  I don't getthat part.  No name, real or handle given.  To me whan I read it I'd look at it and assume the guy never did receive a paycheck for taking pics.  If he did he's stupid for that kind of approach.

Anyway, isn't is against the spirit (if maybe not the rules) of the site to say "I'll give you a review for a deep discount"?  I know it goes the other way.

Nice of you to equate price to honesty, and I'm glad your BS meter is in good working order today.

No matter what someone's price, some guys are cheep enough they'll haggle to lower it more.  And she specifically said what kind of discount he was asking.

This is the kind of BS that made me stop contributing on TBD a few years back.  The reviews were all inflated pieces of fantasy either as a quid pro quo to the provider, or some whipped guy was trying to earn favor from his ATF.  Some guys were just scared of repercussions a dysfunctional DQ provider (of which there are many) might wreak upon their lives if anything critical is mentioned.  As a result every beer-bellied chatty Cathy was reviewed as 'Model Material, athletic, great service'.

Can you imagine if a food critic announced himself before eating at a restaurant?  Of course not, they are discreet for a reason.  A review is worthless if it is made under spell consideration.

So far I have found TER to be more detailed and more honest; I just hope it stays that way.

otherwise there is no reason for this site to exist. and while i know there is no guarantee going in, it os good to document the outcomes. it serves as a deterrent for those overly pre-occupied with self gratification from slipping into predatory behavior that is self destructive.

for the particular client in question all we know is what is reported. the "probably" is sheer speculation.

clients use TER to find ladies that will not out them to business competitors, practice extortion or blackmail, rip-off and rob. providers use TER to find clients who will not scam them, abuse them, or injure them at the very least. at the best find reliable respectful gentlemen who keep their deals.

without "business ethics" TER just becomes a marketing free for all like CL: useless to me.

Look her prices are low but that does not mean she is lying. I am personal friends with not a client of some low price escorts and they get asked for discounts all the time and one is even cheaper price wise than her. Some men are just plain cheap.

a guy who would make that kind of offer can't be trusted to be a photographer for eros. he would more likely be making it all up as part of his scam.

I'm betting other ladies there got the same email as well.

Thanks to both ladies for reporting this.

xoxo,

Steph

Im cool with aliases, but this is what a coward and a pussy duz to cause trouble.



HalfHour

It's gonna take more to catch up with "Icallbullshit"



HalfHour

It's always some dufus that has to jack up someone's thread. What would I gain from this? Attention? I get enough attention. Muzzling me....i'm a dog now? lol

Thank you...it is a few morons trolling. My price is too low I can't win but let me raise it to 250 an hr there's going to be someone who thinks I don't "have the look" to demand so much....can't win. lol

Yep & I'd do it again...there is nothing wrong with my original post but this is TER I expected one or 2 people to have a problem with it or diff opinion.... happens to every thread.  And thank you for noticing the difference for the most part but I did post most of the email and did paraphrase but I didn't post his TER name or his email address so wth is the problem lol.

HE could've been lying I posted it because I figured he was lying anyways. I can't find him anywhere on eros.com or any of his supposed work or any reviews he's supposedly done so...yeahhhhh...

Ex-f*cking-actly! lol I'm still a tiny new-ish but I'm not brand new nor am I dumb.

They have no real reason to beef other than I posted most of the email (sans what I found out his TER ID really is & his email address)..... but w/e. lol

Clearly some are if he supposedly give reviews for discounts and that a lot of high-rated providers supposedly give such discounts in exchange.

Lol...... really it's that bad? Yeahhhh uhhhh my site isn't much different than others I see offering "packages" and have their menus listed. Is there anything you have to say that is RELEVANT to the BS email I got or are you just rubbing one out behind your alias?

Wtf do do you mean he was trying to barter for photo sessions? So about my original post not only can you  not read well you can't comprehend well either. Points? From you?  LOL.....there's always one well two this time. If I post the rest of the email hmm you'd probably believe me then but OH NOOO then that'd be indiscreet.... whatever will I do?

No, I didn't say that. REREAD my post. It is in English.
What I did was to put up a more plausible hypothetical. He is allegedly a photographer. If he saw your website photos the first thing he would do is tell you that you need some decent photos. So one could surmise that he would first try to barter HIS services and not a review. Can you follow that? I can't make it any more simplistic.

As far as the points. They are awarded by myself and a panel of hobbyists for the 2010 DQ award. You get them whether you want them or not. No, you can't spend them, lol.

"without "business ethics" TER just becomes a marketing free for all like CL: useless to me."

Yeah and though I found it already I asked him his TER ID and he said he didn't like to give it out until after he showed the review to the lady. Then I've been thinking even if I'd fell for that BS whose to say he'd have actually done the review at all or shown me one review and put another etc. This is probably where my overanalyzing comes in handy.

Yeah I'm aware there are dishonest people, d-bags and what not on the provider and hobbyist side but lol trading or discounts for reviews is tacky and dirty to me. It took a whole lot for me to not just completely lose it on it & my next best thought was after ignoring him from IM'ing me was to vent on here and get everyone's thoughts.

Now .... you're just trolling. Get off my thread. I'm done feeding you.

After I get you a muzzle lol.....there's always one...okay now I'm really done feeling you alias troll. Hope you're full. He deserved to be exposed period. Add something relevant or keep it moving.

That just shows they are trolling and weren't coming to add anything insightful or important but this is TER there's always one or 2 aliases a few cards short of a full deck that need to "stir" things to fullfill a void in their life for the day.  

If I charged 300 an hr that equals everything I say is the truth. 160 or 260 an hr I wouldn't win either way...either my price would be too cheap or too high since I don't have a certain blond, spinner or asian look.

You can't reason w/ small bran .....i've tried w/ 2 in this thread & it's like talking to 2 daft brick walls.

No you need to reread.... DON'T PULL sh*t out of or ADD IN what isn't there okay? Now go away. What are are hypothetical BS in for? His retarded intentions WERE CLEAR. FOLLOW that. Can't be interpreted any other way....he was trying to SCAM.... that IS IT. Okay? Okay.

Yeah I was hip to that which I said to him in the first place if he was such a professional photog and journalist why are you coming at me for a discount anyways pretty much. smh

for there have been and continue to be many instances of behavior that are harmful to clients (and providers as well) on the part of some who have good or even excellent reviews here.....

in fact a few with the most excellent reviews have been the most predatory and controlling....

And TER's new policy is that unless an outing occurs *on the boards*, they have no interest in holding anyone accountable.....

lol now he is too much wow smh

rude awakenings are a risk

but much more risky for those who passively accept group think. the "just trust reviewed ladies" mantra is hogwash. the new TER policy limits the usefulness of the site considerably. if you're a once and done guy it's less of a problem. for someone like myself who prefers repetition, well my standards just have to be higher. the more you tend to repeat the higher they have to be.

true, there are a few ladies with superior business ethics. i think that some clients with more experience than i have had a rude awakening or two. i have had at least one very rude awakening from a substantially reviewed lady (not in my profile). other ladies have been.... well let's say _ambiguous_ in their practices and put me and my interests at risk. fortunately i had some warning and avoided much.

the thing about the new TER policy is that it means one has to be quite pro active. TER provides a place but the function of avoiding folks with poor business ethics has to be carried out by the individual. back channel forms of communication have to be engaged  and evaluated with care. (some clients have agendas too.) careful sifting of the regional boards (to synch up appearances and disappearances of providers with repeated discretion and legal problems) is useful.

still TER can be useful as a passive medium and that's pretty much the only reason i am back. i've avoided major inconveniences from drama queens (not in my profile) by listening to multiple sources and checking.

let's grant your points. if they are true, and she is just trolling, then confronting her just "feeds the troll".

ah well. it's a beautiful day for a train wreck thread.

I sent him an email that said this:  "not happening"  Then he kept emailing me and trying to plead his case.  Right!

Here is what I sent him....
I am offended by your offer.  I am not interested.  First of all I don't need your review and I don't need you to market me any better than I am already doing myself.  Also, it seems to me you are trying to use your VIP status with TER and **** to get a discounted rate.  That is sleazy and rude.

What you are doing here is also against TER Policies.  I do not understand how you think your review would make such a big difference for me.  You share your reviews with many hobbyists?  My reviews are on TER and other places for everyone to see so I believe I am achieving that goal without your assistance.  A "comprehensive interview?!"  What??  Are you serious?  Too much....

Also if you are a VIP TER Member this email address is not the one you used to sign up with because you are not in their database.

Too much of a train wreck to read it all. Fact is I do not believe this story for one bit. Not one bit.

I dug myself in a hole with who? You? Should I be worried about you?    My reviews are far from lackluster...actually you know that guy said they ere great but then he also used similair wording....how's it going John?

Ohhhh you were done go you! *thumbs up*

...pretty much. Anyone can see the guy emailing me PROBABLY HIM tried to scam me and all his BS took away attention from that. Funny.

Surprised know one talked about this idiot sooner.

Probably....he came in wayyyyyyyy aggressive and angry at the wrong person lol

Awww this almost hurt my feels.  See if I didn lousy reviews? Did you see my reviews? lol   Hmmmm all these insults are delicious. Is it you John??

I also reported the troll to TER and another site he claims to be affiliated with.  Wow!  The alias' are ALL over this!  She must have struck a nerve!

Your inexperience shines brother. If an asshole like Jack_Schitt isn't flipped what makes you think this alias will be?

They have to be.  


xoxo back   ~ Mocha


I keep it "realer" than most on here but funny those 2 trolls tried to make me the liar lol the effin' wish.

Actually  2! ha.

....how many of these do you have? -_o

D@mn. Well then these ladies and hobbyists should be outed....they'll pay more attention.

Aren't they?! I struck a big nerve I see and I'll do it again if it'll help make things more honest around here.....  trolls are the worst lol.

Terrible.  I tried searching the email and this the last name and what came up was a TER ID but there are no reviews on it nor any whitelist referrals -_o.....hmmmm.  Sleazy indeed.

mmmhmm 1 of these many aliases is probably him lol

What provider is going to go out of her way to make this crap up?!?  Please!!  You cannot make this crap up!  It just is!  I don't like the way I worded my original statement.  I would believe you even if I didn't get the email because we all know this is common.  It is part of the BS us providers have to put up with at times.  Personally, I don't give a sh@t if these coward alias' believe it or not.  They can all go scratch! LOL  Honestly, I cannot believe the amount of alias' who got their feathers up over this.  Weird. You are right MsMocha...Trolls are the worst.  Sorry you had to deal with so many in this thread.  I guess personal attacks are allowed now.  At least as long as an alias is the one attacking you.  Stupid.

By answering every freaking post on this trainwreck thread you put yourself in 5th place in the Top 10 Posters.

Is that what you were after Drama Queen?

I am well known here for my once n done approach. My review numbers tend to confirm this. This is my overt / public face here and on another board I frequent.

However I suspect that you know that I repeat with a very select few as well.  This I prefer to keep private.

I am EXTREMELY picky about whom I choose to repeat with. With repetition comes the very large potential of "relationship dynamics", the discovery if not sharing of vulnerabilities, and the TMI factor, which can turn very ugly if the persons involved do not care to uphold one another's  privacy and dignity, or simply lack discretion.

So I am in a position to empathize and agree with your POV...

time and time again this happens. someone posts a behavior problem (of a client or a provider) and the folks whose interests are opposed (i.e. they profit somehow from the bad behavior or don't want to see consequences to a "friend") crawl all over the poster with alias attacks.

can't really expect TER to serve a regulatory function, it would cost too much to sort out the he said - she said stuff. alias flipping happens very very rarely.

so if you've got a client or provider performance issue, post knowing you'll generate a train wreck. the smarter readers can sort it out just fine. the alias attacks can often be viewed as confirming the complaint.

You put up some pretty lame stuff during this "train wreck".

But then again, what different should we expect from the Team Captain of Mangina's. Knight to the save the day and/or fall on his shield and have the last word eh? Oh oooops perhaps I had the last word?

I got nothing better to do than to respond to your "jump-in lame posts". And don't recall either I or icallbullshit addressing you anyway.

Another white knight falls on his sword. Yikes.

is not exactly a surprise nor is it taken for granted.

i go mostly by the bahavior of the lady i repeat with. TMI is an issue. there are client side folks here who i know as competitors or hostile in the real world. so my sensitivities are perhaps both extreme and extremely well justified. clear communication is a "sine qua non" for my comfort.

Yep..... it's TER so I expected it lol

I personally don't care either what these aliases think some people are so slow you can put the truth in their face and they still won't get it....can't please everyone and I am glad I don't care enough to try.  Stupid is as stupid does...and stupid trolls.

Lol.....

Lol tho that'd be interesting....I have to agree with OSP.

So..... you're mad because I exposed a d-bag (something you should be familiar with) that's trying to scam providers.... but you are your drama QUEEN alias buddies added to about half the thread but...... you're mad at me? *laughs hysterically*.... I rarely curse but you're a fuckin' idiot and I say that w/ a smile because you're easy to laugh at.... you've focused way too hard on the wrong person much but that's cool.

btw it's pretty

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3 of the 15 ladies my wife hangs with who are escorts out plus my wife who works at a brothel has told me the got similar offers. There also was anther post about this something a few months back. Apparently it is not that rare and if it is not that rare some must be falling for it. It is one of the reasons I dig deeper than just reading the reviews, to many of them are just BS for many reasons to numerous to list.

She called out a situation that is part of the nature of people doing shit that they shouldn't.  Some are honest and good people that just need some lovin.  Others are slime balls and do whatever it takes to get what they want.  Lets face it; we're not a room full of altar boys and nuns.

A couple guys feel that her posting is triggered by ulterior motives, and said so.  She responded with her defense.  I did pull a couple of the more offensive name calling posts, but feel it's important that people get to judge based upon as full a set of facts as possible.  I just wish that this didn't go on so long.  It's a bitch to keep up with, but such is life.

i wasn't complaining. at least not this time

I didn't imply I thought ANYONE would be flipped. There are people allowed to post under their handle and an alias in the same thread for chrissakes! It's like the wild west around here. Very few rules are enforced, and not always evenly either.

"inexperience"? lol! that's rich!

Been here longer that a...

HalfHour

Goddam thing goes on all day. Shit, I got steaks and shit to grill and I see this thread longer than my dick. Fuck!

comments are hiding behind their alias. Perhaps they do this as well.

I think that this sort of thing is not all that uncommon, we just don't hear about it on the public boards.