Curious to know others experiences with OTC time,  from both a client and provider perspective. How often does it occur, how well do you have to know the provider before suggesting it, do providers consider it appropriate as perhaps a means of generating return engagements,  etc.  Personally it's not something I pursue on a regular basis,  but if I feel we experienced a strong connection during the appointment I will make the suggestion.  I've never been turned down when I have asked.

I would never suggest, and very rarely have found them wanting to spend OTC time.

An employee of my company, so yes, I do take him to lunch and dinner, and I usually pay. I play golf with my doctor and dentist and we take turns paying.  

More than I can count.  In some cases it was on the first date.  In others it was after a few dates.  As I said here recently, I enjoy the company of a bright, pretty lady at dinner and am happy to pay for her meal.  But I have never paid to watch her eat it.

Why ask, even if you enjoy each other's company.

As a provider I actually enjoy having in our with my regular friends. It strengthens the connection and keeps it from feeling like quid pro quo.  Then again I prefer arrangements and I'm very selective in whom I see because I actually enjoy diending te with great people .

... with a couple of exceptions.  I offer to treat my long-time ATF to breakfast before an early date, and occasionally lunch after a late morning date, since as she likes to say "I have to eat!"   Also I've offered to give her and a couple of other providers I see a lot a therapeutic massage if they need one--outside of a paid session.  

"asks her to hang out for free."   When I have OTC time, 90% of it is at the suggestion of the provider, not me.  If you're a good enough customer, most want to keep you coming, and they are experienced enough to know that OTC time outside the incall enhances the connection/bond that she has with the customer.  Sometimes, I will suggest that if they "ever" want to go to dinner or do something else AFTER a session, let me know and I'll work it out on my schedule.  Whether I suggest it or they do, most often the OTC time is piggy-backed onto a session, which for me, is almost always a two-hour appointment.  It has also happened a lot spontaneously, where AFTER a session a provider says she's hungry and would I like to go get something to eat with her.  Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't.  Technically, its not "free" to me, because I know she is expecting me to pay for the meal, just like I would with a civvie woman, but she is NOT expecting me to also pay for the extended time.  That's on her.  

In that situation?

A client wanted to take me to dinner, then to a show lasting 2.5 hours. Then book a 2-hour date.  

Why is it so unbelievable that some of their friends might be whore mongers?

MOST providers list on their websites the rate for a "dinner date", usually four hours or more, so it IS common for providers to expect to be compensated for ALL of their time, not just sex-time, and there are many hobbyists that will book this kind of a session.  Its no strings attached and no obligation to see them again.  OTOH, the kind of OTC time we're talking about here is relative to a long-term relationship with a particular provider, where you have probably become "friends" as well as being her customer.  I play golf or go to Laker games with some of my customers, so its not unheard of in ANY business to socialize with customers OTC, so I don't get your comment about "treating them like a business owner."  If you're a business owner, you would know this already.  

A very young guy with limited business experience that doesn't have a clue what we are talking about.  Just my opinion.  I'm not going to try to explain it anymore, unless I see the light going on in his brain that he's starting to understand.  

If I did hang out w/a client OTC, it would be because I really liked him enough to completely forego the client/provider boundaries... NOT merely to try to keep him loyal, because extending OTC to someone I'd like to keep a loyal client, often has the opposite effect.  

Maybe it's because I spend a good deal of time looking to spend time with women who seem really attractive to me as people as well as physically.  It doesn't happen every time but more often than not I'm asked to stay, or if I'm hosting then the lady stays on in no hurry to leave.  

And I hate my lawyer as a person and wouldn't want to spend a minute with him outside our professional relationship.

I need to review her. I'm visiting  a city that I lived in for many years and needed to see a doctor for a check up on an injury. So I make an appointment with my old doctor. She was my doctor from 1987 till 2004. We had a great friendly relationship.  

Just really, REALLY dumb.

What you describe is asking for a 6-8 hour date for the price of 2 which is most definitely "taking advantage" as your client almost certainly expects you to be "on" during the entire times. That kind of OTC time is something I would never ask for.

Obviously what we're engaged in here is  business relationship and most of the time for me at least that's all it is.  But I think for a lot of us who have been doing this for quite some time, its all about the GFE.  The best of those for me has been where I develop a connection with the provider, usually as a result of OTC time.   It tends to build a level of trust and again for me has enhanced the  physical aspects of our time together.  There should never be any pressure involved  on the part of either participants and it should not be cross any lines as in thinking that a relationship is happening
( although OTC time can certainly lead to one).  

When paying for a session, they wax poetic about the need for genuine chemistry and a transcendent experience as two bodies meld as one.  

And yes, lines can sometimes be crossed and a relationship on some level develop with the more time spent together.  Again, I cannot stress enough that it is mutual, non-pressured and feels very natural; effortless almost, like you have known each other in some past life.  Has only happened to me once.  Intense to say the least!

I once took a girl to a meth clinic OTC, but I guess I kind of paid for the meth via state income tax.

...but it does happen upon occasion.

for HER to watch ME eat "it."

Relationships between men and women are always at risk of attachment developing.  Often one-sided. The more you want to hang out with someone specifically, the more you should probably avoid doing just that.  

The socially inept millennials here, but not for the grownups that know how to navigate various kinds of relationships with the opposite sex.  

Yep, the only way we learn our lessons is the hard way, right?  Gotta singe your fingers on the stove before you learn the lesson.

I thought part of the allure of hookers was " you were paying them to leave after an hour". You and they are anonymous. It's not an affair. It's business.

OTC is always up to the lady. Some ladies will hang with you for hours, while some ladies want you outta there right at the hour, shower included. One lady invited me to spend the night, while another lady kicked my ass out at he 35 minute mark of a 1 hour session, and I had done nothing wrong. That's what makes the hobby so entertaining, and beyond expectation. You absolutely never know what's going to occur. Sometimes you think you're a TER God, and sometimes the truth hurts.

In honesty, what guy, if he has the time, wouldn't enjoy OTC time with an escort he likes. Sometime  
it's a no rush session that runs a little over and your date lets you know it's ok. It can be mind numbing. Guys also have a clock ticking in their head and a provider that can turn it off or put it on snooze is a star.  

....... which is not the norm, the "risk" of being hurt is something that can be gone through if it happens.  It doesn't mean that anger or rage needs to happen when things don't work. Moving on, going through the happy or painful emotions is just being an adult. And a lot of fun.

Both the sessions were fantastic. I had seen these ladies multiple times and the sexual energy was great.  
So, when they asked if I'd like to go out to eat after the sessions, I was happy to have the time with them.

I had an overnight with a client on a weekday and left the next morning, but in all the action from the night (and my hurry to get to work the next morning from his hotel room a bit outside of the city) I left my work cell at his hotel room. Luckily he found it, but I had to come back to get it.  

from ladies they see realize that it doesn't do the ladies they have seen any favors by talking about it publically? I've even seen it mentioned in reviews!!!   Honestly if a lady gives a guy OTC, it should be a private thing, not something bragged about in a review or on the boards IMO.

If you "out" her in public for the "special" treatment you got from her, you shouldn't expect to EVER get that special treatment again. An even worse example of this are the guys who BRAG about BBFS, they may "claim" it's a "warning" but we all know better.

Is bragging about DFKing the girl who just finished rimming her previous client.

I've said I've done OTC dinners with a good number of women and you know how to find my reviews, so give it a shot.  LOL.  I don't recommend you waste your time because:
1) I never put it in a review.
2) Many of the girls I've done it with I've not written a review for.
You would have better luck putting up a list of the girls I've reviewed and throwing darts at it.

Fuck dinner .... wanna meet for a drink?  

for something current and a little diffetent than what some might consider just getting free time. As some have mentioned, there can be friends and no sex here in HookerJohnVille. We do fuck TOO tho. lol

First and foremost the lady simply can say no thanks. But there is no harm in asking. I've had OTC dinners, movies and drinks. Either the lady is cool hanging out with you or she isn't. Last I checked they're human too and sometimes like a little civvy companionship from a guy they met on the job.

Btw I've had my tax lawyer and my house builder to my house for parties. Neither of them charged me for their time and they drank and ate and talked just like regular people.

It's great to have the kind of relationship with a provider where you can have a good time over dinner or drinks and you're close enough that she can sleep over if she has a few too many, but it's NOT the kind of close relationship where she can start moving some of her shit into your closet.

Only one fucking her. Who knows?  I might spend less than I'm spending now.  Lol

and it wouldn't be a guess at all considering I was there too. lmao

Tax lawyers and house builders don't sell "dates." Dinner dates, nights on the town, overnights, etc. are traditional services that escorts perform, and those are (generally) considered part of the job. Yes, there are exceptions, but those are (and should be) rare.  

If you are providing a HOOKER experience then you are on the clock

If she accepts a food invitation from you, its likely she just lazy or don't know how to cook, than actually liking giving OTC

Because, as I said above, while I fucked BOTH of our dining companions that night (and fucked each of them TWICE), I did not review either of them.  rofl.

and I sincerely hope you didn't fuck BOTH our dinner companions the night I am talking about, because I am not talking about THAT night in LV, I am talking about a night in NYC and only ONE of our dinner companions were female.  Not that I am judging of course. lol

And, for the record, I fucked Pris after dinner that night even though I'd done a session earlier that day.  She's now married to porn star Lexington Steele.  Then I fucked her little friend who looked like a Polynesian porn star a couple of nights later.  Then I fucked both of them in SR's suite for my birthday.
And, yes, the other guy was a pussy.  Actually he still IS a pussy.  The other gal was an older one from FL who I wouldn't fuck with DA's dick.  
Claro?

I heard  2 provider friends just invited you for a Greek double kink fuck. That must have made your day happy.

I think this is probably the best response for demonstrating the reasons and variations for OTC
I also think there's a fine line between OTC and not being a clock watcher from an SP POV.
 
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Congratulations.

if she's hot enough...why not?

Was only an extension of a session because the lady wanted too.  There have been some girls over the years that I just connected with, or they thought I was cute and the one hour session turned into a two hour session. Not because I wanted it,  but because she wanted to keep going to pleasure herself.

I don't mind at all being seen with a  hooker. None of my friends would dream of looking down on any hottie I might be with for being a hooker, and I most certainly wouldn't bother making up a cover story. If someone asks who she is, the simple answer is "a friend"  

All you have is Hope,  which is not a sure thing either.

And you lost track of the topic.

I don't do this anymore because you get the clingy types who think that I am their gf and they expect free gf-like activities from me.  Maybe I did it with the wrong people, but I don't mind meeting up for drinks or dinner if we happen to both be free at the same time . I think this helps us get to know each other better.

All of mine have been great. The girl I'm currently seeing has invited me to dinner with her and her son. It was a great time. She even invited me to go with her and her son to a nearby park recently just to be with her. July 4th she invited me to her local suburban Fireworks Show. Hell yeah I'm going with her. I love OTC time with her. Other than paying for dinner she doesn't want me to pay her for any OTC time I spend with her. She's Awesome!  

Did you give you kids coal for Christmas, holy shit!

Exactly what is it that makes you think that I think I know who you are.
Paranoid much?

So you're a guy who just finished a 4 PM date with a lady you rather like. It's 6 PM now. It's safe to assume she might be hungry for dinner.  

Cowards reply to something he does not have the guts to reply or is himself too stupid to reply to.
In your case it is no guts

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If she invites me to hang out with her after we play am I going to say No? She likes my company and I like hers. Heck yeah I'm going to hang out with her after we play.

seeing you because she's older than you.  For me, I would PREFER that my friends see me out with a 30-something woman.  I'm late 50's.  It does my rep no harm.  OTOH, if I was out with a woman pushing 70, which would be the equivalent of what you're talking about, I, too, would be concerned about being recognized in public.

I saw pornstar Holly Body a few years back.  After our session, she actually invited me to have dinner with her downstairs(OTC, I presume) in the hotel.  Unfortunately, I declined because I was paranoid that I might see someone that I know while having dinner.

A lot of us have packages on our sites that address that exact scenario. Usually, they're attractively priced to take into account some social time. I do; so I find it quite rude when a client asks for dinner OTC. First of all, it isn't respectful toward my business or time. Second, it seems to indicate an underlying assumption that I have nothing else/better to do at any given time.

There are thousands of VERY valid reasons for a provider to say NO!!! to an OTC meal, many more reasons to say no than to say yes. Now that doesn't mean that you should NEVER ask, but as you just alluded, there is a right way and a wrong way to ask. Implying that you "expect it" is the absolute wrong way to ask. Mentioning you are about to grab a bite and gauging her response that can range from "Ok, I had a nice time, have a nice dinner, see you next time" to "Oh really, I would  love to join you" is the right way to do it.

Take it from someone who's spent hours hanging out with a few people OTC, missed out on other appointments during that time and didn't see them again for another 6 months.  The idea that spending OTC time with a client will gain their loyalty is ludicrous.  I only do it if I truly enjoy someone's company.

We are roughly the same age and I wouldn't be caught dead out on a date with a woman ten years younger than me, much less ten years older. lol

That would be my suspicion.  If you're keeping busy, OTC is just an opportunity cost where you gamble away a paying gig for an uncertain future gig.  

There are skills necessary to make OTC time "pay off."  If you're not working it correctly, then its not going to pay, just like anything else you're not doing right.   I usually spend MORE paid time with the girls that I spend OTC time with, partly for appreciation of the potential sacrifice they made to spend time with me.  It may seem ludicrous to you, but for the ladies I see, they just keep doing it because it gets more business out of me.  If you're spending OTC time and they don't come back for six months, I agree you should stop until you figure out how to work it right.

A lot of us do have paying regulars, who pay for extended dates on a regular basis w/o wanting or expecting any OTC. In that case, it's NOT good business strategy or a "tool."  

maybe he try with the same interest, but all of them reject the idea hahahaha

With a woman older than me, I was 29 and she was 32, but a smoking hot NY fashion model.  The older I get, it becomes more apparent that 32 is still a good age for the woman to be for me.  

I had a client ask for OTC time BEFORE our initial meeting. He wanted to treat me to a 'fancy dinner' and then start our 1 hr date after that. I howled! When I told him that would be at least a 3 hr appointment, he insisted that him paying for dinner should be enough and that lots of other providers go out with him OTC. Clearly, I declined his offer. But I was still incredibly polite despite his absurd request and childish remarks afterwards. But hey, you miss every shot you don't take right? I'm sure if he tries that with enough new providers someone will take the bait lol

about a dozen providers BEFORE the first time we had a session.  In almost every case, it was suggested by them so they could pick my brain on marketing strategies for their business, so there was really no expectation for either one of us that I would ever be a customer, but . . . . . . .  you go out to dinner with a very hot woman and over the course of dinner, you just start thinking you HAVE to have her in bed.  It was supposed to be a professional meeting only, my profession, not hers, and I just end up being weak.  I already know that about myself, so I always make sure I have enough money with me to pay for the session.  However, I have gotten some half price sessions as quid pro quo for my input about their business, but these were girls that I would have never seen at their regular rate of $1000+.  

I don't see the problem here being that dinner time is OTC, but rather you've never met this person before you sit down to have dinner with them which has the potential to be profoundly awkward. If this were a regular of yours that you generally liked, it shouldn't really be a problem.  

I think the term is a camper and yes, as you and Steph have said, disclosure in reviews incites this behaviour  😔 - painful!

I normally do not. If I am with a client and they over stay there visit I do not rush them out at all. I want them to be as comfortable as possible. There nay have been only one or two times I have went off the clock but it does not happen all the time.

Will she be checking her phone the whole time? Will she be/act into you? Will she be flirtatious? Will she drink too much? Will she go upstairs with you afterwards? And if she does go upstairs with you, what kind of experience will you get?  

with those very few exceptional men who are selflessly generous here time and time again. Especially those you have a deeper connection with. They would never expect nor ask for it either which is a beautiful thing. Of course there are always those few who think they are entitled for whatever reason which I will never understand personally.

>Will she

I don't mind paying a girl for sex, but I still have too much self respect to pay a girl "to be nice to me"

1. With a Filipina girl I saw at the turn of the new year. She didn't offer any form of foreplay, only basic service, but it was an hour long session, so we used some fillers to try and make the hour stretch, but at least she was cooperative. We stayed in bed talking for about 30 mins OTC, all on our first and only encounter mind you. She said she did it because she just likes talking to people. Maybe she did it to secure a stronger client base with me in hopes that I would repeat, but I think she really did it because she was trying to compensate for not offering foreplay just so she could get a good review.

Sometimes, it's great to abandon our "normal" agenda, and have a fun night out... I did that last night. Still drunk LOL. (Not at all normal for me at 8AM EST)

OTC time often just "happens" with no ulterior motives from either party.

most of my experiences.  You arrive as a customer, but it morphs into something else and they just want to enjoy your company.  I most often book two hours with these regular girls, and then they give me the rest of the day to go out and do some fun things.  Often, if they are agency girls, we plan it in advance.  She may see a couple of customers, and then take the rest of the day off, we go out for awhile, then end up at her residence (not the incall) where I will have MY session.  I always offer a donation for two hours, but many times if we had fun outside, they refuse it.  This is not to be confused with a girl that becomes a real life girlfriend, which is a completely different dynamic.  These are just my regulars that I see two to four times a month each.

about not getting OTC confused with a real girlfriend. That's where the trouble starts, and quite too often guys confuse OTC with an offer for civvie dating, and then the girls just don't want to be bothered after that. OTC is only for someone with a mature level of understanding of what's actually being offered here, and as a rule it's best to act on the assumption that OTC is nothing more than just that.

A hobbyist has named a girl that he got OTC time with.  Most here don't name the girl, so its anybody's guess who he' talking about.  I agree its bad form to name the girls.  

My joke about "doing both" of our dinner companions was about a dinner in NYC, not Las Vegas.  The night in NYC was with Jake, myself, a provider friend of ours and another GUY. (My girl had to work that night so we caught up to her later)