You are stating how things "should be" not how they actually are. I guess you don't remember Bernhard Goetz, he was acquitted on murder charges yet still convicted for carrying an unlicensed handgun.
I do agree it's better to be "judged by twelve, than carried by six" but your advice is still dead wrong, and RT is still nothing more than a troll.
To make a very long story short. I was at a prospect meeting today and one of the guys had a gun attached in the holster thing (I guess that's what it is). I am NOT against guns I just don't particularly care to be around them.
In the State of OH there is a CCP law. Which makes this legal.
So I was thinking (as usual about the Hobby) and what reaction a Provider would have if you came in dropped the donation (in an unsealed/unmarked envelope - duh) and then put down your gun.
In a way it would be kinda funny. (in sick demented way but still funny). To see her eyes bulge out thinking "do I get that money or kick him out". But if you kick him out what about the gun?
Something to think about huh.
And BTW. I am a corporate whore. So I stayed gave my part of the presentation and politely asked for the business. Trying all the while not to think "does this guy want to shoot my black ass or what"
RT Out
I'll bet these gals wouldn't care.
Might be a fun session after all.
Unmarked envelope? Why use an envelope at all? Oh...to protect both of you from LE. I forgot.
If you saw it, it wasn't conceal carry. Uh, I know friends of mine that conceal carry. If done correctly, you wouldn't know, even when they get naked in front of you.
in the commission of a crime (solicitation) is just plain idiotic on many levels. No, I don't think it would be funny at all to see the look of fear in a provider's eyes. That's pretty demented.
The only thing that made some sense is that you don't have a permit and with just cause.
and if there were still any hookers left who didn't already have Rtucky on their own personal DNEFS (Do Not Ever Fucking See) list, he's on it now.
Getting a kick out of seeing the look of fear in a woman's eye isn't the least bit funny. Screwing around like that is a good way of getting shot by someone who doesn't share this warped sense of humor.
You honestly think that there aren't a shitload of gals who would have NO fucking clue who RT is? And if they did know of him from the boards...well you know as well as I that no one ever lies on the internet.
I do agree that if some gal pulled out a weapon to see my reaction that wouldn't be a wise thing to do. However in my post above...it is true to some level. Many gals do have weapons in their incall. Which is why it wouldn't be a fun game to pull one out without proper notice. I simply can't see anything good coming out of that scenario.
Getting a kick out of seeing the look of fear in a woman's eye isn't the least bit funny. Screwing around like that is a good way of getting shot by someone who doesn't share this warped sense of humor.
You might have noticed my main point was to let the "non troll" posters here know that in many states the act of committing a crime, even a misdemeanor, invalidates their carry permit and opens them up to gun charges in addition to any other charges they might be facing. In this case a simple charge of solicitation could be parlayed into some actual prison time.
Most of the time RTucky's troll posts are harmless and amusing, but I would hate for some moron to think it was cute to bring a firearm to a session, only to find not only his day ruined, but his life as well.
I was commenting on your "babble" about the DNS list and such.
Seems like the newbie gal mantra may be working 
Why do you even give a fuck?
I know you are used to talking to OTHER people in this manner, but if you are going to accuse me of babbling you better "pack a lunch" and you might also consider putting down the crack pipe, it seems to be effecting your judgment on this thread.
Personally I don't give a fuck who Tucky fucks, doesn't fuck or gets turned down by. I will grant you that most hookers he sees won't have a clue that he is "RidgeTucky, infamous troll and SPOTY candidate" on TER.
The point is that if there still were any hookers who would have seen him knowing he is RidgeTucky, there aren't any more.
I still don't see why you seem so invested in this, or why you seem to think that some board troll is some kind of genius in disguise, but you haven't sold me on it, and you never will. So lets just agree to disagree on this one.
Surely you jest.
Nope...I commented on the fact that you are presumably speaking for all hookers who "now" won't see him.
Not sure why you would make that comment...but you did now several times.
And honestly...if a troll can get you this upset (notice I didn't suggest angry LOL) over a troll post...yep, genius LOL
As for disagreeing with your basic premise of not bringing a weapon to a session...I agreed with that. Bad idea. However as you commented you have a weapon in your home...and many gals also have them. But to bring it out and play...I completely agree that it's not a good idea.
And yes...you and I are both babbling on this. LOL
I know you are used to talking to OTHER people in this manner, but if you are going to accuse me of babbling you better "pack a lunch" and you might also consider putting down the crack pipe, it seems to be effecting your judgment on this thread.
Personally I don't give a fuck who Tucky fucks, doesn't fuck or gets turned down by. I will grant you that most hookers he sees won't have a clue that he is "RidgeTucky, infamous troll and SPOTY candidate" on TER.
The point is that if there still were any hookers who would have seen him knowing he is RidgeTucky, there aren't any more.
I still don't see why you seem so invested in this, or why you seem to think that some board troll is some kind of genius in disguise, but you haven't sold me on it, and you never will. So lets just agree to disagree on this one.
Is that even if this didn't start off as babbling, it certainly is now.
and Tucky didn't get me upset (or angry) you did, by trying to put words in my mouth, which incidentally you are still trying to do.
See what happens when TurdBoy Et al isn't here to kick around? We ended up turning on each other. lmao
I even attached the quote where you made the "everyone" comment LOL
So this was the strategy that TER is using...brilliant
Nah...no shortage of trolls and stupid posters. Even the board assholes can get caught up using the "all of them" and "everyone".
We agree on most things...just not everything!
and Tucky didn't get me upset (or angry) you did, by trying to put words in my mouth, which incidentally you are still trying to do.
See what happens when TurdBoy Et al isn't here to kick around? We ended up turning on each other. lmao
You never attached a quote where I made an "everyone" comment, because I never made such a comment.
You are seriously losing it on this thread my friend. Yes, we do agree on most things, but you are completely out to lunch on this thread, to the point where you are imagining things that never happened.
a misdemeanor criminal conviction. Since the Brady act, it has become more strict and now the FEDS are just dying to rid gun owners of their right to bear arms, one at a time if necessary. However, if the laws keep guys like RT from owning a gun it can't be all that bad.
A conviction for being engaged in prostitution would be enough to have a permit yanked in my state.
you smoke a gun-drawn pimp or hooker or anyone else, the CCP, doesn't come in to play. At that point it is self defense whether concealed or not . Some states, like I'm assuming the one RT was in, allow open carry, which is quite different, but still has the same effect when you defend yourself. Now, you"ll probably be charged with something, but you'll still be alive to face the charges.
I have a CCL for two reasons, personal protection and because I'm an American without a record and it's my right to do so. I hope I never have to use my gun, ever. You would never know I'm carrying when I do, not even a print as I have a pocket holster, and that's the way it should be. No need to advertise, I'm ready to use it if my life or some innocent other person is threatened, but there's nothing to gain and a lot to lose by brandishing even if it is legal.
You are stating how things "should be" not how they actually are. I guess you don't remember Bernhard Goetz, he was acquitted on murder charges yet still convicted for carrying an unlicensed handgun.
I do agree it's better to be "judged by twelve, than carried by six" but your advice is still dead wrong, and RT is still nothing more than a troll.
Goetz was actually charged with attempted murder. I'm not sure what carrying an "unlicensed handgun" is. Was the gun not registered to him or did he not have a conceal carry permit? I'm guessing the gun was not registered to him, because I don't believe you are allowed to conceal carry in NYC., which in any instance would be a crime.
Let me quote from Wiki
"He was acquitted of the attempted murder and first-degree assault charges and convicted of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree – carrying a loaded, unlicensed weapon in a public place"
It's my understanding that he was denied a CCP for "lack of cause" He was sentenced to a year for the gun charge. Our criminal justice system at work.
Say what you want about the "backwards" south, at least we have a lot more common sense gun laws than they do in the "enlightened" north.
You can carry concealed in NYC with permit, although it's the relatively few famous or powerful people who have permits. Robert DeNiro, for example, has a permit. The members of the band Aerosmith have permits, but that's because they gave backstage passes and an invitation to an after-concert party to a police captain. The captain was later disciplined for giving them permits under those circumstances.
Guns and parachutes. When you need it you better know how to use it and it had better work. I try to stay away from places where I may need either, although I do enjoy the first.
I have fondled a lot of both, but only a couple have sent chills down my spine!
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Why the heck would you bring a gun to your meet with you anyway? To show off???
I carry a full-size .45 1911 all the time, except where prohibited or on those rare occasions where I'll be in a position where I'll have to expose it, and I'm uncertain of my host's/hostess's feelings. I really hate locking it in the car, though, as I've had my cars broken into many times. I'd hate to see some punks get a gun that way.
On a second "date", a provider was talking about hunting with her father. Before I left I brought that up again, and asked if she was comfortable around guns, and she said yes. I then explained my dislike for leaving the gun in the car, and asked if she would be comfortable with me carrying the next time we met. She said she would be okay with it.
The next time we met I was carrying it in the usual shoulder rig (more comfortable for long drives). She looked at it funny, didn't say anything, but I could tell she was uncomfortable. I didn't wear it again, and won't unless I find a provider who says very plainly that she'd be okay with it.
I'm carrying legally with a permit. Having the gun itself is not a crime, and it is not an enhancer to what would be a misdemeanor crime of engaging in prostitution. A conviction for a non-violent misdemeanor in my state does not disqualify someone from having a carry permit.
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as the commission of the underlying "crime" even a misdemeanor such as solicitation, invalidates the CCP in "some" states, opening you up to gun charges in addition to solicitation charges.
It sounds fucked up I know, but in some states this is how the law works. Don't shoot the messenger, I think it sucks too, but I am not about to turn a simple solicitation charge into something that could land my happy ass in prison.
According to an attorney I consulted with regarding the state in question, it is not an enhancer. Maybe he's wrong.
Nonetheless, I don't think I'll be doing this again. In "real life", if I'm visiting someone for the second or third time and they've indicated that they're comfortable with guns, I'll ask if they mind if I carry on my next visit rather than leave the gun in the car. If the person says it's okay, I assume that it's okay. Even friends who aren't gun people are okay with it.
Providers would probably be okay with me asking to wear their panties on my head during a session. My friends who are okay with me carrying in their homes would boot me out the door if I asked to wear their wives' panties on my head.
I generally take people at their word unless they show me reason to do otherwise. In P4P over the past several months I've learned that much is not what it seems. The provider may say things just to protect her identity, or to make herself seem more interesting or exotic. One recently told me about a billionaire taking her on a month-long trip to some pretty exotic countries. I just smiled and nodded, and assumed that maybe some guy had her fly into Toledo for a few days.
The provider in question told me about hunting with her father. It may be that the closest she got to hunting was the meat aisle in Pick N' Save. As for saying she was fine with me carrying, she may have expected a little pocket pistol that she wouldn't see, rather than a fully equipped shoulder holster. Or maybe she just said it on the spur of the moment without thinking it through
I would certainly take the word of an attorney licensed in the state you are in rather than some random dude on the internet, even if said random dude is yours truly. lol
Where we do agree is that it's worth checking into the laws of whatever state you are in, what is perfectly legal in one state could land you in a heap of trouble in another.
I would suggest that anything stated on this board that doesn't start with pussy & end with pussy be taken with a grain of salt. And even the pussy advice needs to be held up to the smell test. Oh, and how sweet it is! I'm getting a bonor just thinking about it.
Yes, nobody knows all the laws...
I believe Ridgetucky lives in Ohio. In Ohio a ccw doesn't act as a enhancer to at least some criminal charges. If you receive a DUI while carrying with a ccw, the ccw will not be affected even if convicted of the DUI. In Ohio a DUI is misdemeanor of the 1st degree. While I like both drinking and guns I don't have a ccw nor have I received a DUI. I also don't endorse drunk target practice ( that's what fireworks are for). However if you feel you need take a gun with you to see the hooker of your choice to feel safe and your not in west world, maybe you should choose a safer hooker.
Just to be clear. I don't carry to feel safe when I see the hooker of my choice. I carry everywhere. To not do so would be like only having a fire extinguisher handy only when I'm expecting a fire.
The hookers I've seen have booked good hotels in good areas, or had nice incalls in good areas. I've had bad things happen in good areas of cities just as I have in the not so good areas, though.
On a second "date", a provider was talking about hunting with her father. Before I left I brought that up again, and asked if she was comfortable around guns, and she said yes. I then explained my dislike for leaving the gun in the car, and asked if she would be comfortable with me carrying the next time we met. She said she would be okay with it.
The next time we met I was carrying it in the usual shoulder rig (more comfortable for long drives). She looked at it funny, didn't say anything, but I could tell she was uncomfortable. I didn't wear it again, and won't unless I find a provider who says very plainly that she'd be okay with it.
Old but certainly not forgotten. I own a military issue A1. Who needs a damn 9mm anyhow?
S/W body guard with personal protection rounds is my carry. But my hiking gun is a .45 S/W Governor, shoots .45 acp, .45 long colt and .410 shotgun shells in the same cylinder.
I got to shoot a Singer 1911A1 one time. a rare gun. Often wonder what happened to it.
In the State of OH there is a CCP law. Which makes this legal.
So I was thinking (as usual about the Hobby) and what reaction a Provider would have if you came in dropped the donation (in an unsealed/unmarked envelope - duh) and then put down your gun.
In a way it would be kinda funny. (in sick demented way but still funny). To see her eyes bulge out thinking "do I get that money or kick him out". But if you kick him out what about the gun?
Something to think about huh.
And BTW. I am a corporate whore. So I stayed gave my part of the presentation and politely asked for the business. Trying all the while not to think "does this guy want to shoot my black ass or what"
RT Out
As I just posted to GaG...that is nonsense.
If gals would even have a clue as to his posts is highly doubtful given how many actually read this shit. And even with a back channel barrage it would be a small circle of hookers.
The dude loves to post up this crap and watch the lemmings fall into the abyss.
It's brilliant LOL
I spend more time cleaning belly button lint...
If gals would even have a clue as to his posts is highly doubtful given how many actually read this shit. And even with a back channel barrage it would be a small circle of hookers.
The dude loves to post up this crap and watch the lemmings fall into the abyss.
It's brilliant LOL
I don't know why CPA has temporarily taken leave of his senses, but he is now the one doing the babbling.
It doesn't take a genius to be a troll here, just a bunch of very gullible posters, and we have no shortage of them here.
Most of the time trolls are mildly entertaining and essentially harmless, but every once in a while they cross the line, and this one by RTucky crosses several. I don't mind a little "thinning of the herd" but some activities can't be condoned, and bringing a firearm to a session is certainly one of them.
I'm surprised at how long some of you guys want to post the same reply to a troll post. You of all know how this is played out LOL
Hey...let's ask Lina how quickly she can assemble her AK47 
I guess bringing a firearm to a session is a bad idea?
It doesn't take a genius to be a troll here, just a bunch of very gullible posters, and we have no shortage of them here.
Most of the time trolls are mildly entertaining and essentially harmless, but every once in a while they cross the line, and this one by RTucky crosses several. I don't mind a little "thinning of the herd" but some activities can't be condoned, and bringing a firearm to a session is certainly one of them.
My ATF keeps a 40 with hollow points at her place. You lay that shit on her counter and she will politely excuse herself to the ladies room and come back with a gun aimed at your head. Why you posting this shit? You need help brother
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In the State of OH there is a CCP law. Which makes this legal.
So I was thinking (as usual about the Hobby) and what reaction a Provider would have if you came in dropped the donation (in an unsealed/unmarked envelope - duh) and then put down your gun.
In a way it would be kinda funny. (in sick demented way but still funny). To see her eyes bulge out thinking "do I get that money or kick him out". But if you kick him out what about the gun?
Something to think about huh.
And BTW. I am a corporate whore. So I stayed gave my part of the presentation and politely asked for the business. Trying all the while not to think "does this guy want to shoot my black ass or what"
RT Out
I never once said in this post I would bring the gun. In fact, I even made it clear I don't like guns.
But in the state of OH it is legal to carry one. So when that guy sat down and I saw his gun it was an interesting thought to me as a business Professional and as a Hobbyist. What if ........
Now for some of you guys who are worried about me being blacklisted. Don't worry your pretty fucking head.
The Providers I want to fuck I will get to fuck.
Don't lose sleep over it
Now play the stupid responses from dumb fucks b-low
I read it buddy. I don't know where the fuck your from, but a lotta ladies here don't wanna see black dudes. Given your post, I can't possibly grasp why. Find another hobby bro
The race card post.
Let's take a poll on how many will see AA men.
I have been hobbying for years (like 10+). And I can tell you that it has literally been a handful of times that I have been turned down because of my race.
Honestly, it was no big deal to me. Oh sure I wanted to fuck the chick but shit this is the hobby. As long as you have $$$ you can play in 99% of the twats out there.
Dude, I never lose sleep over that one.
This is why I always vote for property tax increases for the local school district. Guys like you need all the education they can get.
being a responsible gun carrying American, I choose not to carry in certain places. An appointment with a lady is one of those places. I'm a big fan of not imposing my integrity on others, and if she is not fond of guns, then it's an imposition to do so and if she's not comfortable I'm not likely to have a fun session. Another reason for not carrying to an appointment is that I have to travel to hobby, so unless I feel like carrying my gun in my checked bag and notifying the Airlines in advance that I'll be doing so, it's not advisable.
Responsibility, what a concept.
AZ allows concealed carry WITHOUT A PERMIT now. I know some providers who own small easily concealed 357 revolvers. I have a CCP, even though I don't need one anymore but never take it when seeing a provider.
So are you gonna show her your CCW with your real name on it to prove you aren't a crook illegally carrying a pistol? Maybe she'll remember your name if and when she is arrested by the vice cops.
I would not blame a provider who did not know you well to become concerned that you are gonna hurt her, rob her, not handle the pistol safely as you show off how manly you are with it, etc. Pistols are tools that have a proper use but are deadly if not used right, just like many other tools.
By the way, what would she think if you pulled out a 12 inch knife and showed it to her? Leave the hardware at home or in your car trunk. Let the poor lady relax with you.
I have a permit; I carry. I will NEVER carry to a session - keep it in the car. Outcall to a hotel where I am "hosting" I would lock it in the safe.
So - what's the threat profile here.....
LE - good way to get shot - and have the permit revoked and your gun confiscated. I am well aware that this might not be strictly according to the law - but if you don't believe a DA and LE wouldn't make up a felony charge in the case of an unfortunate accident in order to cover their ass - you really haven't been paying attention... As the saying goes, any good DA could indict a ham sandwich.
Essentially during a session you have a loose, unsecured, loaded weapon. This is NOT a good thing.
In the case of an incall to someone's house - you are taking a weapon into someone's house. I personally react very rudely to people who enter my house with weapons unless I know them. In fact, my first reaction is to go fetch my shotgun. In my part of the country - that's a lot more likely than fear as a reaction. Rudeness aside - she can shoot you with her own gun and accuse you of burglary and rape. My guess is that many providers have weapons to hand (or they should). My gosh - I would if I were in that line of work. Sounds like another good way to get shot.
Do you trust your provider not to harm you - well - as a practical matter, she will have your testicles in her hands at some time. She can do a lot of damage without resorting to a weapon. You HAVE to trust her with regards to physical security.
My choice has been that I will risk the security issue from my car to the provider's door and back again because the risks in session outweigh the risks of the walk to my car.
I had not thought about exposing a weapon when someone comes to sell me something - however, on reflection, it does sound like an interesting way of getting the sales weasel off balance and improving your negotiating position. It sure seems to have worked on you... I'll give that some thought...
and oh yeah, I agree completely with your post, well maybe one small disagreement. I don't find it necessary to lock up my firearms when hosting an outcall. I don't have guns in plain sight, but I ALWAYS have a firearm in my home somewhere convenient for ME to get to in case of an emergency, but nowhere that a casual visitor to my home would ever discover by accident.
It is rare, but not unheard of for a hooker to set someone up for a home invasion. OTOH I would never consider bring a weapon into someone else's home/incall who I didn't know very, very well.
ow exactly are you sure that I am not him ???
The man did have a really good turn of phrase; the other expression of his that I like is "urban outdoorsman". I hate to say that I am a fan of anyone; but Neal's program was a lot of fun to listen to. Especially if you take it as seriously as he did - which is to say not at all....
The OP did do me a big favor though - I think I have figured out how to get my next barbeque gun and holster expensed as a "negotiating tool"
A bank, a bar, a post office and for those that might not be on the bright side, a date!
Call me naive but I figured that was just commonsense.
But then look around! Commonsense around these parts are not a majority.
Ask yourself this, why would you want to intimidate a lady you have just met and plan on screwing? I think that would kill the mood, unless she points the pistol in your direction out of fear or self defense and kills your mood first.
Kisses
Elle Vegas
There are some, that if they have established rapport with you may want to know all about it, may know more than you, and be a better shot than you. Might want an extended date to include gun range time. She might even show you the one from the "condom drawer" or under the mattress!
after a few sessions with a young lady, she invited me to spend the nite at her place.. part of the tour and get comfortable routine was her showing me which night stand drawer she kept her handgun in....
I left the next morning satiated and carrying a load of "gun envy"
I have known folks who CC (took a scuba class with an armed guard) and discovered after the class (public pool) he'd been removing the holster & it's 1911A1 in the toilet & everyone brought their gym bags into the pool at that inner city pool...
If I still had my permit, I would not CC on a date. None of us plan on getting busted but LE would certainly love to revoke a permit any chance they get. And I sure wouldn't remove my gun & wallet outside an incall...
sweat guns .....lol lol lol.......... love ur shit RT ...keep up the bad work... lol oh there was a review about some woman who had a 357 magnum .. and pulled it on a guy .. it was funny I think he pissed and shit himself .. some older lady a couple years back...
In the State of OH there is a CCP law. Which makes this legal.
So I was thinking (as usual about the Hobby) and what reaction a Provider would have if you came in dropped the donation (in an unsealed/unmarked envelope - duh) and then put down your gun.
In a way it would be kinda funny. (in sick demented way but still funny). To see her eyes bulge out thinking "do I get that money or kick him out". But if you kick him out what about the gun?
Something to think about huh.
And BTW. I am a corporate whore. So I stayed gave my part of the presentation and politely asked for the business. Trying all the while not to think "does this guy want to shoot my black ass or what"
RT Out