I first started hobbying in around 1996. In fact, I lost my virginity to a provider I saved up my McDonalds money to see on my 18th birthday. From that time until around 2003 or so, I was a regularly hobbyist. All throughout that time, I probably saw a total of 50 hookers and I was offered BBFS only twice, the first time by a streetwalker I met and the second time by a pregnant escort. I didn't accept either time because I was terrified by getting AIDS and dying. Back then, just getting a DFK and a BBBJ was a big deal. Of course, I didn't have access to the same types of reviews that we have now. It was all a crapshoot, but safe sex was pretty much non-negotiable.

In around 2004 I was in a few long-term relationships and I walked away from the hobby for years. A couple of years back, I found my way back, and in many ways it's better than ever. Part of it is that review sites make it easier to find what you're looking for, and part of it is how much more common GFE seems to be.  

Anyway, I noticed that the biggest change in the 10+ years I've been away is the attitude toward sex. The very first girl I saw was this girl I met on BP in San Fran. She had a pink wig to match her dramatic pink lipstick. We hit it off right away. We shared a bottle of wine and were like two people on a sexually charged date. We were doing nothing but talking for two hours before we even touched each other, but when we did, it went crazy. I didn't even bother taking off all of her clothes, I just carried her to the bed, pulled off her panties, put my head under her skirt and between her legs and ate her until she came twice.  

After the second time she came, she moaned, "fuck me" and I was so in heat I undid my pants, which were still on the whole time I ate her out, and I moved up between her legs and started kissing her. She pulled off my boxers, grabbed my bare cock and put it inside of her. The sensation was overwhelming. The heat from her pussy, the splashing sound of skin against skin, my cock covered in her cream. We both came at the same time, me inside of her. Afterwards, we both passed out and ended up spending the night together.

The combination of taboo, physical attraction, and emotional connection all combined into one of the most potent sexual experiences I've ever had.  But I was also worried about what I did. We never talked about anything like birth control or testing - we just went for it.  

Eventually I got tested (now a regular occurrence for me) and was clean. I felt relieved, but I also couldn't stop thinking about her or that experience and how hot it was.  

I didn't want to be someone who sought out BBFS, and I definitely didn't want to be with a "BBFS Provider", but I quietly made an agreement with myself that while I wouldn't seek it out, I wouldn't pass it up either, because that first experience was so hot. Every time I would see a new girl, I would wonder if it would be like that first experience.

In the two years I've been back on the scene, I've been with about 30 girls (yeah, I'm a binger, lol), all escorts (no streetwalkers).  And without seeking it out, I've had BBFS with 12 of them. For those of you keeping score, that's 40%, in the last two years, compared to 4% the first time around. That is a massive difference.  

The circumstances around the BBFS vary:

In only one case was there specifically a conversation around, "I'll let you fuck me without a condom for $xxx more". I did it, of course, but it felt more dangerous than sexy. Didn't like that one.

Four cases where the girl initiated, typically by taking my cock and putting it in them. It tends to happen after I DATY and we're making out. Those are my favorites.

One case where the condom broke, and I told her about it and she said it's OK to keep going, just to not cum inside of her.

Three cases where I initiated, where I first test to see their openness to it by rubbing my cock against their pussy to see if they respond, and then slowly inserting it. In one of those cases, she eventually said we have to switch to a condom, and in the others we went bareback the entire time.

One case where we were taking a shower together and we started spontaneously fucking in the shower

One possible accidental case where I was at a massage parlor and I was getting an intense nuru session where we were both covered in gel. We started making out while she was rubbing against me, and my cock got so hard she didn't realize where it was and she just impaled herself on it as she was slide up and down on me. She shouted, "oh shit!" and I whispered, "It's OK. It's OK. It feels good". She rode it for 20 - 30 seconds before she freaked out and hopped off and finished me with her hand.

And one case that may have been a misunderstanding, but that prompted me to post here.  

I was with a pretty well-known provider in Dallas who I had been seeing for most of my time back (CFS). She announced her retirement to move into a regular life. Before she did, she wanted to have one last fling, and also introduce me to a friend of hers. It was my first threesome, and it was incredible. It was everything I imagined and then some.  

Anyway, I hit it off with her friend and soon after I made an appointment to see her.  Because we had such good chemistry, she offered me a great rate for an overnighter at my place. And as expected, we still had great sexual chemistry. We had sex three times over a couple of hours, each time CFS. The fourth time, in the morning, she woke me up with a gentle nudge of her butt against my morning wood. We started making out and soon she was on her knees while I ate her out from behind. I asked her if she wanted it, and she moaned yes, and I rubbed my cock against her pussy until it was covered in her juices and then I put it in. I came inside of her shortly after she did, and when she noticed that I came, she started freaking out.  

She claimed that she had no idea I wasn't wearing a condom, but how could she not know? She supplied them, and clearly she didn't supply any that time. In fact, she told me after that she was out of condoms because she didn't think we would have sex four times. "So then how could you think we would use one?" I asked. "I thought you had your own" she said.

Anyway, after some arguing, she said she wasn't on the pill AND that she was ovulating, so it was the worst time of the month. I told her not to worry about it, if anything did happen, she has my number and can call to talk about what to do.  I thought, "what are the odds?"

Sure enough, she texted me a picture of a positive pregnancy test a few weeks later. I was really terrified that the chickens came home to roost. She said she needed $900 for an abortion, and I told her to come by the next day.  A few hours later I got a text from the girl who introduced me to her, telling me the truth of what happened: that girl was a month or two pregnant when she saw me, and it was her ex who got her pregnant, but he was a deadbeat who dumped her and wouldn't pay for the abortion.  She thought she would get me to pay for it instead.

I confronted her about it, and, of course, she denied it and said that if she can't get the money for an abortion, she's going to have the baby, and if it's mine, I'm on the hook. To avoid any trouble, I gave her the money, just to be safe. I figured, anybody that desperate for $900 needs the money more than I do.
 
The experience definitely shook me up, and I haven't been back in the hobby since. I need to take some time off to reevaluate things and try to figure out how I found myself in that kind of situation. The obvious answer is, "I'm stupid, careless, etc." but I need to uncover the deeper answer.  

For obvious reasons, I don't have anybody else to talk to, and it was really chewing me up, so I needed some sort of outlet...thanks for reading.

Bbfs s probably happens more often in the hobby than people think. On my neck of the woods BP  providers are most notorious, not the "higher end", but there is no way to prove it. We all have it have had fluid bonded partners, but this is not something to seek in the hobby unless you just don't give a fuck.

Taking time away from the hobby to reassess is a good idea.  

Have fun
Respect your provider partner
Follow her and your rules.  

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You definitely need to reflect and spend time away from the hobby.  I would never consider having unprotected sex with a hooker.  You are playing Russian Roulette with your life.  You are taking way too much risk.  You cannot lose yourself in the moment.  It will eventually catch up to you.  

Have you noticed whether bbfs is on a big upswing the last few years?

You're right. It almost did. I mean, let's say it really was my baby. If I called her bluff and she ended up having it and it really was mine...it would have been a disaster. I found out later when I was chatting with her friend all sorts of problems that she had. I definitely dodged a bullet.  

The truth of the matter is that God gave man a brain and a penis, but only enough blood to run one at a time.  

Who can't get it ON with a condom OFF.  

WIth pros Ive found it to be very rare. One offeref. I declined. The other just  did when we were kissing while she was on top. In sugarland it is wayyyy too common.

And let him go BB Greek first.  

an important lesson about BBFS:  No matter how tempting or hot the situation is, you should never go bare until at least the second date.  

BTW, any girl that just did it without you asking means its on her menu for every swinging dick that walks through the door, so there's a good chance that your DATY helped her "clean up" a little after the last customer.  I'll wait here while you go puke.

with younger millennial providers.  They grew up in a time of internet hookups where guys their own age expected BB sex because they went through their teen years watching BB porn.  If you stick to girls around 33-43 like I do, they are much more likely to play safe.  

That's a good point. All of the girls I've had bbfs with except, I think two, were younger than 30.  The first one was the one who explicitly offered it as an up-charge, and the second one was in her 40s and it definitely felt like it was something she's done before, because afterwards she was trying to sell me on her doubles partner, and she said, "the only thing, though, is that SHE requires condoms". Made it sound like condoms were always optional with her and not just me lucking out. She also got into the "breed me daddy" sex talk that made it sound like it's a thing with her.  

I really prefer when it is (or seems) more spontaneous, or even accidental. Like the 20 year old girl who made us switch to condoms after starting BB.

Means it on her REGULAR menu.  At least with the girls that make it an upcharge, you get a warning that its coming and can make a decision once you calculate in your head the percentage of customer will be willing, in the heat of the moment, to pay the $100-$200 upcharge.  After you figure that out, then you probably will want to pass.

... does a woman shouting "oh shit!" as your dick is impaling her without her consent not signal you to pull it out immediately, until she gives consent?  

I've done nuru and other full-body massages with providers many times.  Somehow I always managed to keep a fix on where my dick was, to ensure it didn't go somewhere it wasn't invited.

Do you know what having sex with someone without their consent is called?

She was the one on top and in control. I was just laying there, with my hands roaming on her breast and occasionally sucking on them between making out. I didn't move my hands to her hips until she impaled herself on me and then I started rocking back and forth inside of her, which made her gyrate harder on top of me and start moaning until she dismounted before either of us came.  

I've seen her a couple of times since, and we've done intense SS, but haven't repeated that incident. Sadly.

"Guys who say they can't get off with a condom on are full of bs if you ask me"

I have trouble finishing in the cover, less so if it's a CBJ compared to intercourse. It'd be relatively easy if I had all day, but my sessions are usually no more than an hour. In that time--especially if it's my first time with a girl--I find popping without a BJ, HJ, or taking over myself difficult.  

I have no such problem with BBFS. Not that I've ever done that with a provider on purpose. (I have had the cover fall off accidentally without either of us noticing.) I see your point about B.S., but it's not so much that not being able to get off is B.S. The B.S. part is that it should matter, given the available alternatives.

I forgot, there's actually a 13th. I didn't count her because I didn't think of her as a provider and we're currently dating, but we met at a massage studio. That was a case where there was no expectation of sex, and none of her reviews said she even did so much as DFK, but after seeing her a couple of times and having a great time, we started making out heavily. My cock kept rubbing against her pussy while we were making out and she shifted up her pelvis just as I was thrusting and I started to enter it. Neither of us objected, so we thrusted a few more times while making out and I was all the way inside of her.  

I invited her to a couples massage on her day off to show her what a professional massage is like, and because she's never had one before. We made a date out of it and we've been dating since. Probably another reason why I've been having a bit of a crisis over the BBFS thing. I haven't BBFS'ed anyone since her, because we started hanging out around the same time the drama was unfolding with the pregnant escort. I think I'll just see where things go with her for awhile.

From his description she was on top and kept going for a little while after saying "Oh, shit!" If she didn't want it in there, she could get off. Unless he restrained her, in which case it would be rape.  

You could make just as good a case she raped him. Which is to say no case at all. (At least based on what he said. For all we know he was on top and held her down, but why assume that?)

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because I've only been hobbying for less than a year. I've been with 20 or so providers, and not a one ever offered BBFS.  

The cover has slipped off a few times accidentally. Once I finished like that. We didn't notice until it was too late. I wasn't turned on by the idea, and I don't remember it fondly.  

In fact, I halfway feel like putting a condom on now, as I type, just to be safe.

why the alias? You absolutely know why. You're nuts  
and forgot your 14th, and 15th and ... need I go on.  

I'm not judging you in the least because it's your dick. But you're playing Russian roulette dude. And forget the nonsense of him getting raped SMH ... you go looking for bareback and when you're inside her pussy you say your hands are busy grabbing her tits. LOL. That's weak.  

IMNSHO, you prefer and seek BBFS and would come out of your self imposed retirement in a heartbeat if one of your BBFS friends told you they needed a few bucks.  

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... is yoyr name Donald per chance?  

I guess my mantra of Have fun, PLAY SAFE, Repeat would fall on deaf ears with you. Good luck will have to suffice. BTW . . do you live in New England?  

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You know, I hate when guys says this shit, as if all civilian girls are clean. It seems guys that say this are freaking clueless to the life of some civilian women. I can sit down and count 4 civilian ladies that I know that are either hiv positive or have full blown AIDS and one has genital herpes and one of the ladies with hiv was nearly killed when her boyfriend found out and he went to her house with a gun to kill her but she escaped. The best though is when she gets pregnant and has to play eenie meenie miney moe with the sperm that had been swimming around inside of her. The saddest case is a young girl that had potential daddies and each guy had a letter starting with the alphabet. The first two guys were letters A and B and so on. Well she is now up to letter H and he like the previous alphabets before him, is not the father so I guess it's time to figure out G and test him. I had tried civilian dating and guys that I had met THAT DAY thought that I would sleep with them! Man, have I been out of the fray for a while! Nobody wanted to get to know me. It was just do you live around here? Can we go to your place? They expect that because that is what civvy ladies are doing now! I used to watch Maury Povich show and some of those women left me speechless! How a lady had sex with a delivery guy right in her boyfriend's sister's kitchen, another with a guy she met at a bus stop walking home, at the laundry mat, screwing boyfriend's brother, cousins and even her man's daddy! It's like no one has ever heard of condoms... or common sense. Guys please realize that not all providers are disease ridden, crusty nasty hoes giving it up raw to every Tom, Dick and Harry. I have a few clients that I no longer see due to their trying to put it in raw. That shit is so not cool with me. The last guy that tried we got into a physical fight that ended up outside.  

You should not go bare with anyone unless you have been in a committed relationship with them, at least that's my feelings for it! To the OP, dude!!! Seriously quit being stupid!! You can knock up a provider and be on the hook for 18 years. No amount of money will make her abort. She may want to become a mommy or just plain want your money and she will get it. I understand bare sex feels good but you're setting yourself up! Then you say you are in a relationship with a provider!!! LOL What does she think of you raw dogging it with every vag you pass? WTF can't you at least get clipped? I heard it's like 30 minutes in an office. Oh wait a minute! You wouldn't dare have a scalpel near your balls but if you get a woman pregnant she will have a vice grip on them! lol wow!!! You sound out of control. I cannot even believe that you will still blindly continue to bareback with the pregnancy scare you barely survived lol. Boy, sometimes we truly are our own worst enemy smh. Get a clue and getting some help is also advisable.

That's a really long post to get to the conclusion that you need to "uncover the deeper answer". Very dramatic for something simple.. You're immature and fucking dumb. BBFS with a hooker? Even with random single civie girls that have been around the block its a crapshoot but with hookers??  

Do you think your charm and skill is so much greater than anyone elses that these helpless ladies had to have you in them bb and never let anyone else?? Wow, if they let you do it they let countless others do it. Do your own math on how many people they see versus duration and extrapolate that to how many girls those guys see...and some are probably just as clueless as you and think its only them that occasionally do BB...May as well just sprinkle arsenic on your dick. No need to be dramatic about any deeper answer or try and get attention from this forum... Its not complicated, you sir are an immature tool that doesn't care about your health or consequences. Wake up, seriously. EOM

It goes back to a phrase that will be pertinent as long as foolish men exist (which is essentially forever LOL!!) "The little head telling the big head what to do." That is ALWAYS a recipe for disaster!!

LMAO!! GREAT line---(gotta remember that one--classic!!)

...and certainly not before Robin Williams (at least I gave him credit).  You sound like Donald Trump who claimed he invented the phrase "priming the pump."

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I recently had my first Seeking Arrangements date. I was not 100% sure how far she was willing to go on our first (and last date). I am use to meeting providers so I brought my "allowance' and asked to shower upon my arrival.  

After I cleaned up I joined her in her bedroom and all she had has on was a tight shirt and panties.  I knew she was up for some serious play. We kissed  a lot and I played with her massive DD' s. She engaged in some sloppy and pleasant oral then asks the big question. Do i want to fuck? I said I did not bring protection and she said, "it's ok, I'm on the pill so no need to worry." Hmmmm.?

I thought to myself a few things.
1. I am no longer able to have kids as I had a vasectomy when I was married. She does not know this of course.  How do I know if she is truly on the pill? How do i know she is not already expecting but looking for a daddy to pink it on? I don't known her nor do I trust her.
2. STDS. I know I am clean, but she does not know  that. I can't trust her to be clean. If she is offering me BBFS on our first date I am sure I am not the only one. I was actually disappointed that she was so eager to go bare. To make matters more interesting she said she had started some very very light bleeding that day, nothing to worry about.

I said I'd rather play it safe and let's finish with the BJ.

Needless to say I will never see her again.  

I know there are times when the passion is  hot and in the heat of the moment you are not thinking straight, but before arrival, know what you want to do and what you expect. Be in control. Hold to rules  your  playing. There is still integrity in this underworld of hobbying.

Take a break and think about why you hobby. What is your goal and your rules for engagement. I take a few months away every year.  I think  it's good to  reset the mind and to not loose sight on what is reality and what is fantasy.  

Above all, respect yourself and your health, and her's too!

Peace

... she didn't "want it in there".  The first was that she immediately shouted "oh shit!".  The second was that a few seconds after that shout, she "freaked" and physically made it clear she didn't "want it in there."  

I assert that a woman who consented to being fucked BB by this guy would have, first, said something other than shouting "oh shit!" right away, and then would have continued the BBFS rather than freaking a few seconds later.  

And even though the woman might not have realized how hard the guy was getting, HE sure knew it and had the ability to warn her or make some kind of movement to avoid what happened.  He clearly wanted to fuck her BB, whether she realized it was happening or not.  Perhaps it was a game to him, like "Let's see if I can slip it in without her realizing it until it's too late."

And yes, for all we know he was doing something with his hands other than touching her breasts.  I didn't assume that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Amusing to me why ppl try and condemn this act while at the same time every thing else within the hobby for a PSE/GFE provider is accepted.  BBBJ, accepted, in fact many hobbyist refuse to see providers that don't do it.  DFK, accepted, defines GFE.  CIM, more PSE than GFE, but many providers offer as a one up on the competition.  Last I checked all can have some sort of lifetime after-affect.  Not belittling anyones intelligence, yes I understand the drastic difference between BBBJ and BBFS.  Do I advocate BBFS with any and every provider, hell no.  But would I if both parties came to the table with paperwork stating their cleanliness, yes.  

Awhile back (probably 4 years ago) I saw a provider that I really hit if off with.  After our second date, I decided to send her a thank you text about the previous night.  She responded back that the feeling was mutual and she hoped to see me again.  Blah, blah, blah, we continued to text until it was an everyday thing.  I guess emotions got the better of me and I asked her if she wouldn't mind entertaining a request of mine.  She asked what did I have in mind, (scared shitless) I responded that I'd like to one stroke her w/o the condom.  Pause.....she later responded that that was fine with her.  She came up to visit a couple of months later, we did the deed and for the next two plus years thats the only way we fucked.  So I ask, what besides her being an escort was different than anyone who meets a girl at a bar or the movies or the grocery store and they enter a relationship maybe using condoms, then graduate to not using condoms?  Do they both get tested?  If so this is news to me.  Of the girlfriends I have had since high school until now, getting tested has never been brought up, it's just assumed that both are clean to justify fucking raw.  Again, not justifying going raw in everything you see, just not into condemning those who prefer it.  

Some time ago I reached out to a UTR Pornstar about a possible meeting.  She screened me and emailed me back.  In her email she stated the activities that would commence when we met.  In the following sentence she stated that "if BBFS is desired, then a recent industry standard test with proof would be required."  Needless to say this caught my attention, and with 3 weeks or so until her visit I got tested and saw her with test results in hand.  I will tell you that it was the most wonderful session that I have ever encountered.  

It is hypocritical IMO to shun those who enjoy of prefer sex a certain way within a hobby that is illegal and to some immoral in the first place.  While I do hobby using protection 99% of the time, I will say that there has been that 1% where I have encountered BBFS, so I'm never one to criticize nor act holier than thou over those that offer and those that partake.  With all choices in life, if you choose to I would not suggest engaging in such an act with someone who readily offers this act openly, but again to each their own.  I hope that TER creates a room or discussion board solely for those who would prefer this act over the norm, and excludes self righteous blowhards who always have something negative and condemning to say about it.  Yes their are risks, the same risks you agree to when you receive BBBJ/DATY/DATO or DFK with a provider or client that may have have something as well.  

For the OP, I'd say BBFS is one thing, but CIP with a provider that you don't know very well opens the gate to a plethora of other problems, mainly the one you encountered, the scam.  Nothing wrong with the pull out method.

 
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The Dr makes a single puncture at the bottom of the sack, pulls out the little tubes and snips,  cauterise, and then places little metal cap on the ends to reduce the chance of swimmers. The technique was invented in China years ago and is less painful and has a much faster healing time. In fact, I drove myself home after having mine because I opted out of having the sedative along with the local. The worst part was smelling the burning of the vas as the Dr cauterised them shut.  The best part-no worries anymore!

You would likely be using an alias to post there, as you did here, but the discussion of the provider would offer no such 'cover'.   You would be free to say what you want and about whom, but the provider could not dispute it. She may make a blanket statement such as 'I don't do that with anyone' which lacks some credibility because it isn't specific, or choose to ignore it which could be seen as acceptance.  

Great way to torpedo a providers reputation by making a potentially false accusation because you did not have a good session, or were disappointed that not everything is available to everyone.  Yes this board would serve a useful purpose to me as a screening out method, but the provider wouldn't be in the same position to screen you out.

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Ego issues much?

And Donald Trump is that we both grabbed a lot of pussy.  

My favorite Williams line is that "Divorce comes from the Latin word meaning to rip off a man's testicles through his wallet."

Called "stealthing" and HAS been found to be rape in a recent court case in Europe.

I figured if she didn't want it in there, she was in control with her on top. She could have jumped immediately off instead of spending half a minute riding it, and bucking hard against my cock. I think she wanted to see if she could cum before risking me cumming,  and either she realized she was too far away or she felt i was too close, so she stopped.

But once she was on my cock, she definitely wanted it in there.  

Don't get me wrong,  i wanted that to happen and i was hoping it would happen, I just didn't know it would happen and I didn't do anything to force it to happen.

Ha, of course I'm using an alias. Even though I'm tested and clean, there's too much stigma attached to the topic to be open about it. Also, if I did, it would be easy to figure out from my review history which girls are BBFS girls. UTR please!

I want to see where things go with the girl I'm dating, so that makes it easier to stay away. But i know I will always be vulnerable to BBFS.

Just to clarify, I haven't seen any escorts since the pregnancy scare. The girl I'm dating now I met through the business, but I only think of BBFS in a provider sense, and we don't have that relationship anymore.

If that's the case, and it has nothing to do with me, then it must mean that BBFS has exploded. I mean 40% of girls providing BBFS. That's pretty crazy if that's a regular occurrence.

By writing a long romance novel about it, detailing about how 'it just slipped in', and then adding the next post that you 'missed one'.  You're clearly a discrete individual.  It will serve you well as you BBFS with another provider while dating your current one.

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You and many others were.  Nothing wrong there.  Obviously didn't do it for me, but to each his/her own.  

However, when the fantasy crosses into reality of the encounter, and the 'assumption' can be made that BBFS is widely available because one person posting with an alias makes it seem more widespread and frequent than it is, that is where I have the issue.  My dog in this hunt is that if BBFS becomes much more prevalent, it will be time to retire, and I will have one less enjoyable hobby.  That retirement date is coming soon, but I'd like to delay it a bit longer.  I hope you can make the party, it should be a lot of fun.  

I approach the BBFS from a different generation perspective than you do, right or wrong. This is not a risk free hobby, and I am aware of that.  But from my old time perspective, the passion and fun is fleeting, and the potential ramifications of BBFS can be permanent.  From what the OP said about his experiences, it look to be turning out ok for him.  But his actions are putting your health at risk, and mine as well.  AIDS is not the death sentence it once was, and might have been a bit overhyped as a scare tactic.  However it is still a concern, as are the other diseases that are a bit more easy to transmit.  

I'll get off the soapbox now and let you youngsters have your fun.  

A few things:

Her not wanting it in there and her being raped are two different things. The OP's point as I read it is that she let it happen for 30 seconds or so between his accidental entry and her freaking out. Now, I won't speculate as to how accurate that assessment was. But taking the OP at his word, while he was inside he just lay there. She was in control on top, and could pull off whenever.  

In order for him to have committed rape there has to be intent. Crossing your fingers and hoping you end up inside isn't enough, nor is wanting her not to push you out once you're there. It requires specific knowledge of wrongdoing on your part. You performed some action, and you know it was without her consent. I fail to see where that happened in this scenario.  

I didn't understand the part about her not knowing how hard he was. Isn't that expected? Eventually, if not immediately or beforehand. Never in my life have I said to anyone, "Watch out, I'm hard," so I don't see any duty to warn. As for getting out of the way, every time I've done body-to-body, I mostly just laid there. Maybe I did a minimal amount of thrusting, but there's only so much moving around you can do, short if rolling over. Where do you go to get out if the way? I thought the whole point of body-to-body was to be in the way.  

In any case, I didn't read it as "Let's see if I can slip it in." I have no problem thinking the OP hoped it would slip in. But the way you put it implies he slipped himself in deliberately. His story is that it slipped in as a result of her actions.

Of course, it's possible to set things up so that someone falls into your trap, so to speak. But there's an assumption of risk on the provider's part in these circumstances, isn't there? When you rub your uncovered girl-parts on his uncovered boy-parts, there's a chance his parts will end up in your parts without any deliberate movement on his part. Not like what would be required if he were on top and you weren't full-body rubbing each other, for instance.  

Which is all to say that if it was as he described, and he was a passive participant as she rubbed naked self up and down his naked self, he could penetrate her without it being rape even if he desperately wanted to penetrate her and she wanted no part of that.

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With "stealthing" you still require intent. I don't know how practical it is to prove that a guy took off his condom without your consent, which is how I usually hear the term defined. It would be much harder, I should think, to convict a guy when the girl consented to uncovered P-to-P rubbing.

has the right to announce to the public whether she allows BBFS, so even if a guy (I would normally say "or gal" for Lopaw, but not when the subject is penetration) gets that after a period of time, they are betraying a trust to talk about it publicly.  Most of these guys that blab about specific girls by name on other sites blame it on the provider for allowing BBFS in the first place, arguing that if she didn't want it known, she shouldn't be doing it.  The only blame I place on the provider is using poor judgment in trusting someone that don't know very well who turns out to be an asshole.  

Never heard of that before

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You're sure she defintely wanted you to fuck her bareback once she was impaled on your cock... why?  Because she loved it so much she "freaked" after 20-30 seconds and pulled away?

I've been around the block quite a few times, and I've never had that kind of experience.  But then, I'm certain all of the women who have been riding my cock wanted to be there.  

And I was wondering... when she shouted "oh shit!", did you think to confirm her consent by asking her if she was ok, rather than just tell her YOU were ok with it?

Yes, it's clear you wanted it to happen and were hoping it would happen, so you did absolutely nothing to prevent it (when you easily could have) nor did you even have the decency to get her consent to your plan.  Going into a massage session with the goal of BBFS happening is intent, sir.  

As others have said here... get some help.  Now.  Before you ruin someone's life, and maybe your own as well.

My intent was to keep any identities UTR,  which is why i don't name names.  

The bottom line is that she had absolute control, with her being in the superior position. She had the option to jump off any time she wanted, or to stay on as long as she wanted. She chose to stay on until she chose to jump off. All of those choices were the choices she made after accidentally impaling herself on my cock. I didn't do anything but lay there and pray.

After reading the responses here, some of whom haven't had nearly as many BBFS experiences, I was wondering why I was able to get such a high hit rate with BBFS. I have two theories. Either or both may be correct:

1. I'm open to it, and I find that because I am, it is easier to spot potential openings where there's the heat of the moment (right before she cums from DATY, or right after) and she stops caring about anything but being fucked ASAP. There's this 20 second window where arousal is at its highest when anything that happen. I think a lot of guys like DATY, and THEN BBBJ, but doing that takes the escort out of the moment. It's BBBJ, and THEN DATY that seems to trigger it the most.  

2.  I think I have a subtle radar when looking at reviews or the girls' websites. Something that says, "she might be up for it". Again, it's not specifically targeting girls who advertise BBFS (something I rarely see), and it's not going after "known" BBFS providers who sometimes pop up on boards. Those aren't fun because I know what's going to happen, and it takes the thrill of the suspense. It's when I don't know whether it could happen that turns me on the most.  

I was thinking about #2, trying to figure out what the formula might be that I'm subconsciously using. I think it's some combination of them being young, and highly YMMV with the reviews. What I find is that it means that they haven't developed "professionalism" yet, and are mainly just going by instinct. If you see a cluster of 9's, and then a bunch of 6's and 4's, I think that's sometimes a sign that they are treating it less like a profession and more like a hookup.  Then, if you come in, pour on the charm and really take care of them...well...it's possible.  

Anyway, I shouldn't put too much thought into it, since I'm trying to STOP doing it.

and it really sounds like you're bragging with this. You should be horrified that you do this not looking for pats on the back. You have this Shiite twisted. No one is impressed, most are surprised how dumb you are and yet you still are looking for attention about it. Seriously, get the arsenic out.

Instead of burying it in a two day old thread.  Opinions on how hot the experiences you had might have been a bit different had everyone known you have a methodology and are potentially taking advantage of less experienced ladies.  

I have an idea on how you can stop.  Post the thread again under your board handle, not an alias.  See how many ladies will see you.  I guarantee it will be less.  

Stick to writing about porn, not acting it out on potentially vulnerable providers.

when a woman asks for/demands money, you give it to her - right fucking away!

ask the kids in the Duke lacrosse rape case.

I hope that Nifong burns in hell

You both misunderstood.  

First, I was speculating on what it might be. I don't know if the pattern holds. It might not be #2 at all. It might just be #1. I don't know, I'm wondering aloud.

Second, I didn't say I'm targeting girls with recent low scores.  That's actually not the case at all. What i said was very YMMV reviews, and the reason i think that theory might hold water is because YMMV type girls tend to follow attraction more than a "script" or character they've honed over the years.  When you're winging it, you tend to have more mixed results. My theory is that if you're winging it, and going be instinct and attraction than the "character", you're more likely to veer in any direction your hormones take you.  

You guys love to find sinister motives in everything. Rape, manipulation, jeeze, lol

I go another direction on this one.   I find one I really enjoy being with that is actually somewhat responsible (and reviews show they don't BB as far as I can tell) .  I propose that we both get test and start BB.  I pay for us both to get tested though this online site:  

http://www.myprivatelabs.com  

They then email the results to me.  We meet up and screw.  Also get her to show me proof of BC.

Here is my review on that online lab:

It looks like all of the sites offering the same test use the same lab network and offer the same 10 panel STD test. The only difference is price. This one has the best price for the same lab work ($198).

Followed the link and typed in my zip. They found a lab within walking distance of my office.

Used my monger email address to register. They said I didn't need an appointment and to just check in with the paperwork they emailed me from the site requesting the blood / urine work.

Went to the lab that day. Drew blood, peed in a cup. 3 days later, they emailed me the results. Feels good to have a negative test in your hand fellas (and ladies).

Anyway, you can use a fake name and the instructions on the form you give them tell the front desk person to NOT check ID. They asked for an address, and I told them they didn't need it and to just put down the lab address. They said that was fine.

I highly recommend.

 http://www.myprivatelabs.com.

What's obvious is that you're going to take care of yourself before anyone else. You don't care about protecting the identities of the providers you've been with nearly as much as you care about your own. So, you use an alias.  

 
For all we know you are actually taking advantage of these girls, and your reviews would lead to conversations with them about it, and it would paint you in a bad light. So, you use an alias.

 
If it got out that your handle was the BBFS guy, you'd have notably less providers interested in seeing you for the sake of their own safety. They want to protect themselves from guys exactly like you, and you don't want the heat. So, you use an alias.

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BUT in this case at least, his explanation actually holds water.

I can remember being in a very similar situation with a provider where we had an "oh shit" moment. As the idiot mentions later, this girl and I had just finished a very good DATY part of our session and when I "climbed back up" to kiss her on the lips basically in missionary position, but outside of her of course, it "just happened" and without thought I was inside of her BB, It only lasted a few seconds and we mutually pulled apart and covered up, but by your way of thinking it was all my fault, even though it was a mutual thing and we both kind of got caught up in the moment and forgot we weren't a real couple, but a hooker and a john.

Fast forward a week later, we see each other again and low and behold the very same thing happens except this time we don't "come to our senses" but instead gave into our feelings and this began the start of a several month long relationship where both money and condoms ceased to be a part of our sex life together.  

I know you want to call BULLSHIT on "everything" this DB has to say, but at least some of what he has to say has the ring of truth to it.

Your reaction was much different than his.  You took action (along with the provider) within a few seconds of noticing what had happened to pull out.  He took no action other than to encourage her to continue.  Which she did, until she "freaked" (i.e. came to her senses?).

So you are wrong in your view of what I'm thinking, that what happened to you was all your fault. That's usually a bad idea, btw, to assume you know what someone else is thinking.  

But I will add that I've done what you did many times, that is, climbed up from DATY to kiss etc. in a missionary position, and I've always kept track of where my dick was.  It's not that hard... er, difficult.

And if you re-read my posts in this thread, I haven't even touched on most of what the OP said, let alone call it "BULLSHIT".  I think other posters have done a pretty good job there.  I agree a lot of what he says has a ring of truth.  But like most threads of this kind, I get the feeling we're not getting the complete story, and I also get the feeling this guy needs to learn to respect women... and also himself.  

and see, you do at least partially blame me for "climbing up from DATY" and entering her bare. The truth is, we BOTH got a little carried away, I have done the exact same thing a thousand times without putting my dick in bare, but we BOTH wanted it and it wasn't anybody's "fault" I can certainly believe that could have been the case with our troll.

BTW, in my case it's pretty obvious that we both wanted it as only a few days later we didn't stop ourselves and we stopped having a hooker/john relationship, and became BF/GF. I am not here asking for permission or approval, it is was it is and it was what is was and I don't owe anyone an explanation for it, I only mentioned it for context as to what might or might not have happened with him. That part of his story is very believable and she doesn't sound forced or coerced in the slightest, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Seriously?  LOL.  Sounds like fantasy world.  Keep telling yourself that you didn't pay.

They usually chime in and blindly agree with their overlord.  

Come on Sketchy, at least TRY to keep up.  

and is it really so unbelievable that people in a relationship have sex without a condom? You do realize there are over 7,000,000,000 people on this earth that can prove otherwise.

and it's ok, you can fess up. You wish you had even a single lemming to your credit.

I bet you don't even have a stalker and EVERYBODY knows you haven't truly made it on the internet until you have a stalker.

You do realize that when you have sex with a hooker without a condom that it is like having sex with ALL of the people that she has had sex with and ALL of the people that each one of those people has had sex with.  So the probability of obtaining one of those STDs that would render your little guy lifeless and relegate you to posting on the boards as opposed to hooking up is quite high.  

and your chances of catching something from a bar slut are MUCH higher than from a hooker who takes care of herself.

I have been at this for well over forty years and still going strong, I wouldn't waste a lot of your valuable time and energy worrying about me. Your time would be much better spent finding a lemming or two of your own. lol

THe economy has gotten so bad and escorting has gotten so flooded with girls that girls will do anything to get one up on the competition.

but skeptical.   It can't be that bad in FL, though I know that is a different market.  Not enough tourists?  Conventions?  

You see, this is why you don't do BBFS with strangers. I think you're too trusting, and you just can't trust people out here. I think her friend was in on it too, but now she's calling you acting all innocent and shit. Let's just say that she had a change of mind, and not a change of heart, and that her change of mind is probably due to a falling out that she had with little miss pregnant who probably never even used your money for an abortion. You're lucky you never caught something from her skanky ass, but your days are numbered if you continue on this same risky path, you have been warned.

This is the devious aspect of female nature that made me go MGTOW and realize that my involvement in this hobby meant that I had it right all along, but even here you still have to be careful. The hobby is not a safe space from female nature despite many people thinking that it should be, it's just that it's the best option for men in this gynocentric climate, the female will still try to screw you over the first chance she gets, which is why common sense must always prevail, which means practicing this hobby with responsibility. You may have acted foolishly, but I don't think you're stupid and careless, any man can fall prey to the alluring intoxication of the seductive temptress, especially when she offers the forbidden fruit of BBFS, and who could blame us, I mean look at them, all sexy and shit, but common sense should still prevail regardless.

I've had my fair brushes with BBS, most notably a couple years ago at the end of summer, but this one caught me by surprise even though her ad had hinted that she was bb friendly, but I thought she was just playing with words trying to be more appealing. It wasn't until her lips were wrapped around my bare cock that I realized how serious she was. It looked like she was only into giving bbbj because when I asked her how come she didn't use a condom, she said we could use a condom for the fuck, but she didn't say it seriously which suggested that I could've probably persuaded her to let me fuck her bareback if I pushed the topic hard enough, but then she would've probably charged me extra. But the reason I didn't try to persuade her was that it was my first time doing anything bare, and I was still in shock, besides, I'm just not that kind of guy to do something so careless with a total stranger.

That episode took place close to my 10th anniversary of starting this hobby, and one of the things that I attribute to my survival of being in the hobby this long is that I always apply the cover, because much like yourself when you first started, I also feared catching something and dying, or living with something uncomfortable and embarrassing for the rest of my life that would inhibit my attempts at forming relationships in my civie life. It's just that in her case I got complacent and took for granted that she would apply the cover just like everyone else did before her, but at some point, or another there was bound to be an exception. She left me worried about my health because I thought for sure she was trying to give me something, especially when you consider that she swallowed twice for $100. I know that BBFS costs extra, and that's something I was expecting from an upscale, or a midscale escort at best who's at least somewhat familiar with her client, but a cheap ghetto whore in one of the worst neighborhoods in Brooklyn swallowing twice for $100 from some random guy she's literally never met is deffo kinda suspect. When I asked her why she did it for $100, she basically said I dunno, I just love to swallow. I caught a cold shortly thereafter that scared the crap out of me, and had me doing a google search for symptoms of HIV, and that was when I went and got tested. It turned out I was alright and that the cold was seasonal allergies due to the onset of fall, but I consider that to be my warning, and it hasn't happened since.

But that doesn't mean I haven't been thinking about doing it again, but this time there has to be protocol; for one I have to know her really well (3 years or more), I also have to like and trust her a lot. During that time, I would have to observe that she practices proper hygiene, both internal and external. She would have to impress upon me that she doesn't do that sort of thing with too many clients and only with a handful of us who she knows and trusts really well. I would need to collect records from her OBGYN (unless she wants me there in the office with her, that's fine too) as proof that she has been receiving the depo provera contraceptive shot, and the frequency at which she has been receiving it, or that she's tied her womb (even better).

Finally, and most importantly, we would both need to go get same day testing for both our peace of minds. I would have to take time off from work and drive her there myself and not let her out of my site the entire time because her name is woman and I don't trust her from here to across the floor. After we get the results, I'll take her out for lunch to make her feel good before driving her back to my place where I'm expecting that everything will be on the menu. In fact the only way I'll apply the cover under such circumstances is when I'm giving her anal sex, and until that day comes, I'm willing to just humble myself and continue doing CFS while building a rapport with the provider, because YMMV.

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Hey Boss I hope you get this in time. I just read your discussion post on BBFS. I have a scheduled date with a UTR xxx star and she offered BBFS along with testing as well. I got tested and I'm leaning towards going through with it but just really nervous wanted to get you advice and help on what you think I should do. Thank you  
I see her this Saturday so I hope you get this in time

I've been asked 3 times to do it. One offered a substantial extra amount to the donation. Told all of them hell no! No amount of money is worth risking my health over. I know there are girls who offer it, but it just isn't for me. If she'll do it with you, I promise you she's done it with many others. I know nothing feels better than skin on skin, but my pussy is tight and wet enough that a thin condom will still feel amazing. No need to do BBFS.

That was a hot story!!!! Got me rubbing myself. I crave bbfs; especially since my s/o won't touch my pregnant body. I know it's a pipe dream but it gets me off a lot...just thinking about it.

Since you did not clearly stated what you like to get out of your confession, I have to guess at your motive. My guess is that you like BBFS, but you like to avoid similar traumatic experience. I will share my experience and I hope it helps.

I have not been offered nor asked for BBFS in my past 5+ years of hobbying. I found out about it when I started to venture into K-girls. I was searching for good P2P massage because I had very hot stripper slide experience in strip club. After my first couple appointments with K-girls, I found out BBFS was (I think it still is) much more common. Although I was not offered, I found that to be scary because it's been offered without asking for STD test. With the number of clients that an average K-girl see a day, I found the possibility of eating a creampie during DATY too great. I decided to stay away from K-girls and have not venture back.

The K-girls experience got me curious. I have read from TER posts stating that BBFS is much more common than most people realize. I did not know if I should believe it or not because there's no indication of that from my own experience. I decided to test it myself by asking providers who I have seen before. 4 out 5 providers, who I asked, had agreed to it with the following conditions (1) it will cost more (2) we will both get tested. Since it's not that hard to find that kind of service, you don't need to torment yourself if you approach it openly and honestly. Unless you like to make it complicated, it's really very easy. As for myself, I am not sure what I will do.

So you got BBFSCIP. And you're feeling guilty? Just enjoy it. The ones that preach against BBFS would like to do it. But for whatever reason don't indulge. Just enjoy the providers you see that let you go BBFS. I see two girls BBFSCIP and LOVE IT!

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A thin condom does feel amazing, but there's something about the visual of seeing a naked cock covered in wetness, then being up the rest of the night, long after she leaves, watching her pussy juice still slick on my cock, and waking up in the morning, and seeing the dried evidence of the naughty thing we did that goes beyond simple "feeling".  It's an all night erotic experience.  

Still, I agree with everybody that it's a bad idea, like cheating on a spouse, or engaging in illegal activities. Glad nobody here does either of those things!

I made the confession because I was feeling really conflicted about the entire thing. On one hand, the whole experience around it is a rush, not just the way it feels, but the danger of it. It's an endorphin release similar to skydiving or surfing, both two major hobbies of mine.  An orgasm is good, but I get a bigger release with the first thrust, knowing that she's letting me do it and that there's nothing between my cock and her pussy.  

On the other hand, when it's unplanned and spontaneous, which is the way I prefer it, there is much greater risk of a pregnancy. A BBFS girl will be on the pill, but girls who just let it happen because their emotions and hormones got the best of them might not be on the pill. I dodged a bullet the first time, but I worry about becoming too out of control. Also, being in a relationship makes me want to rein things in more. It's one thing when I assume most of the risk for myself, but it's another when I have a girl I have sex with every night, before I would have a chance to get tested.

It's weird. There's something less fun about having an ongoing relationship with a provider who does BBFS. It's like after the first time, the excitement fades away. That's why most of the girls I've had BBFS with, I've only been with them once or twice.  

My favorites are where we start doing CFS, but there's a certain permissiveness that increases over time, until it just happens one day. I like it when it starts with CFS and then shifts. It's like I worked for it and made it happen.

I've been seeing one provider over three years BBFSCIP. Another provider I've been seeing for over a year. We started with CFS. But after multiple visits graduated to BBFSCIP. Excitement fading away? Not for me. These two providers are Awesome.  

don't know how old you are, but for me at 58, there are many times when a cover kills the ability to pop (especially a second pop). I have been with providers, who just reached under, pulled off the rubber and put me back in.  
I tend to worry about it after and am regularly tested and have never caught anything.

If you will submit, then submit with me. An attentive lover who appreciates a sexy woman.
I would love to fulfill your BB fantasy.