I am noticing that the very highest-price providers don't seem to be all that super-hot.  I mean, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with them, but IMHO, they seem to be older and harder-looking than many lower-priced options.

I see these websites (some of which are elaborately designed) and the women have all this stern language about how they don't negotiate and they demand the best because they are the Rolls-Royce of companions....and yet....and yet...most of them just look like the 30 year-old lady in the gym who does crunches for 2 hours a day and eats only celery.

Am I missing something here? I'm just a little surprised that people who can pay $10K for a weekend would salivate over the tense lady who graduated high school 15 years ago.

Can anyone explain?  Maybe I'm missing something here!

Thanks.

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Actually, I don't know who he's been seeing, because my donations are super reasonable and you won't see me eating celery. ;

Hugs,
Ciara

I agree with you. It has to be the texture, smell, and taste that puts her far above the rest. Just like Just like diamonds There expensive and your told their an investment but have you ever tried to sell your diamonds to make a profit? Or how about a fine wine $1000.00 a bottle or more your piss is still yellow the next day! WTF?

has changed my opinions quite a bit about what is attractive.

It might sound corny, but there are a few ladies that I hope to meet because they sound genuine, open, and seem to care about doing a good job.

I am very visual and get attracted to a hot pic, but I have learned the hard way that I can't tell a thing about someone personality for their pictures.

Above a certain level price doesn't seem to be the best indication either. In hindsight there are subtle clues in some reviews, but I am not that skilled at reading between the lines.

Ladies charge what they want, I don't spend any time trying to figure out why.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

Are you saying that I should kill myself because you are angry about what I posted?

Or are you saying that you agree with me and want to take it to another level and "burn" the offenders?

I'm a newb here and don't know enough to get the joke.

(UTR means "under the radar", or intentionally hard to find....)

These ladies pretty much start in the 1k/hr range.

and their service is, in my experience, no better on average than a mid level provider at 250-400/hr

SO -

what do you want to do: look at her and drool on her?

or

have a fantastic time with a warm, caring, highly sexed and skilled provider?

I've done the former a few times -

but I'll take the latter any day....

Providers charge what they want to charge based on what they feel they need to make, and how often they want to work. If no one is willing to pay their price (or no one ever comes back for seconds) then they have to re-think their strategy. It's pretty simple, really.

As far as looks go, not everyone is paying for a pretty face (and I'm fairly certain that, while YOUR personal standard for what constitutes a "pretty face" SHOULD be the national standard, it may not have reached all corners of the globe yet.)

Some say "all that is gold does not glitter". Here at TER we just say YMMV.

i have to admit it was kinda funny, but lets help the noob, we were all there once. He meant they are going to flame you. In other words, ruffle your feathers, etc... welcome to TER and think about what you say and how it may sound before typing, it could be considered offense to some, hence the flame ; ) Go to the newbie board and get familar with all the search tabs above boards, it really helps alot. You had a good question, just couldve been worded a bit differently. Cheers, Belle.

have been mild, but don't be surprised if the flames start getting higher and higher. This type of post doesn't tend to bring out the best in people.

I feel if an escort has true cover-girl or model looks she has the advantage of charging for those looks in a way. Of course her services will not be that much better...Good Lord, there is only so much a lady can do....lol.

And some men find it a complete thrill to bed a woman with those looks. He goes into it knowing that her service can be met on a board like this or with many providers, however I'm guessing the ones that are willing to pay for these gorgeous ladies want what they have...the look and the exclusivity.

and they don't look like 11s first thing in the morning '.....

of course spending a weekend with a top end UTR lady of this type a lot of fun. 5 star accomodations with a gorgeous lady who exhibits first class manners and breading (or an approximation thereof....)

but seriously, without the perfect professional makeup and hair and the expensive clothes selected to flatter and sometimes compensate a bit, she does not look "prettier" than several of the mid level ladies I've reviewed (and frequent....)

The glam is more image than substance

And when you wake up beside her, first thing in the morning, she has the same tousled look and morning breath as the mid level providers I've enjoyed!

I recommend that every man so inclined take a tumble with such a lady. It's an experience not to be missed, as much for the frills as the substance.

However

there are at least four mid level ladies on my review list that I would stack up against the overall UTR model gorgeous experience anyday, for both appearance and service, at a third of the rate....

Cheers

GTM

They both do the same thing - tell time.

However some people need the Rolex to complete the image. Plus one hell of a marketing campaign. I would imagine some hobbyist's need the same thing. Those girls cater to those men.

What is one reviewers 6 on appearance is another reviewers 9. As previous posts have indicated, providers charge what the want to. You as a client are under no obligation to accept. Good luck and take the advice of others, try the newbie board, lurk a little more and post a little less.  And try your local regional board.

"I am noticing that the very highest-price providers don't seem to be all that super-hot."

Then obviously there's something more at play. Perhaps, like an increased level of security and discretion, such as not having a jealous boyfriend or girlfriend to threaten your anonymity. Or, she is a lady you could take into about any situation, public or private, and handle it wisely and with grace. There are all sorts of other possible intangibles that might been included.

They price themselves to what THEY Think THEIR time is worth...

Same as any other business

i.e. Looks/Performance

The true 10/10 availability is rare. Many gals with 10/10 reputations actually deliver lower on performance (10/9 to 10/7 much of the time). I believe enough guys tend to boost their performance score based on exceptional looks. I know it’s not right. That’s why we read the text and not go just by the numbers.

Still, someday I'd like to splurge and reach out for that possible high profile “11 in Looks”. I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be an 11/6 experience, LOL.

Beauty is the eye of the beholder but those of us who have been on the hobby have seen so called 10 in look and 6 in performance.  I rather have a least a 7 in looks and 8/9 in performance.  For example, take the Spitzer girl.  Her looks was not worth 4,000 for 1 hour in looks but apparently she was worth his political career.

I pay $6 to go out see a movie in bufu in Utah.

Go to NYC and I might pay $10-11 for the same exact movie. Same product, different pricing all because of location.

THEN, There is also a perception of quality in higher prices too. I'm in the auto parts manufacturing business. Let's say I produce essentially the same part for a Lexus as a cheaper Toyota econo-box. If I charge the econo-box price to the Lexus owners, they won't want the part. They want something that cost more, because there is the perception of it being better.

This philosophy applies in many different markets...

and some gals know that and insist on getting some of it.

It's like first class on an airplane.  You get to the same place at the same time as the folks in back, and you pay ten times the price to have a little more legs room and get some drinks.

Some guys enjoy the exclusivity that comes with the gals who charge a few grand per hour.

Some gals have that certain flair that allows them to carry it off with the high priced executive types.

Almost every busniess there is has it's high and low ends, and this business is no different.

"and breading" are you talking about calamari or women. LOL I just guessing but I think you meant breeding...if not, man you are into some kinky stuff (or stuffing)!

Damn I lost a bet to myself...after reading the OPs question and dblhappy's comment I thought for sure this would blow up into a ball of flames. But then again the highest priced ladies (2+k/hr) don't really play on the boards much and it won't be smart to take offense to his post as it would make them look bad.

You mean some clients will pay for sex?

Simply outrageous!!! What will they think of next?

you will burn a hole in your stomach with painkillers beforeyou get get rid of those headaches.

putting that pain aside - i have never met a sexually experience man 30+ who has said 'hell ya bubby. the best fuck of my life was this tasty little piece of faux jail-bait. her id said 18 but you'd swear 15. and that's not what got to me either. it was her way. i mean she kneeeeeeew how to please a man. her passion. her sensuality. it was like she could reach into my soul and take me places i've neve been before. plus she swallows."

the best sex i have ever had was with a mature so and a mature (30+) provider. at 50 its fun to play on a 21yo old CL girl. (as long as she doesn't resemble my 25yo daughter in any way.) but sweet jesus on a pogo stick, give me a woman -- w.o.m.a.n -- anyday

I want the liquor not the poker.

Hugs,
Ciara

I agree! And thank god it's that way! Keep the 20 year olds at under $500 and let the 30+ charge what they want. Hey if they can get that much more power to them! How about the 40+. It's not my cup of tea but this is supply and demand. if they are asking for "x" amount it's because they can get it. different strokes for different folks.

um I'm a total newb to the hobby, so I have booked a grand total of two gigs and both in the past week....

...but I don't care what anyone says, I want the super-hotty 20 year-olds because I don't want/need an experienced woman of the world to dazzle me with her skills and her well-worn body, I want a pretty piece of candy to grimly hang on for dear life as I rail her like a freight train.

It gives them the feeling that they are getting something only a few others can possibly have.  That and perception is reality.   Paying such a price they convince themselves that they must be getting something unavailable at a lower price.  It’s nice work (for the high priced escort) if she can get it.  Personally I’ve found that once the hourly rate (depending on location) gets above the $400-$500 per hour range there really is no subjective difference.

"I don't want/need an experienced woman of the world to dazzle me with her skills and her well-worn body, I want a pretty piece of candy to grimly hang on for dear life as I rail her like a freight train."

...rail her like a freight train... I spit my morning coffee on my monitor!

I don't know if I agree that older women are always more expensive. I think I could find expensive young girls, and inexpensive older ladies, without any trouble.

I think what you're finding is that among those who post a lot on TER Discussion Boards, the older ladies are more expensive. That I agree with. TER is populated by 35-40 yo women who fancy themselves as "courtesans," as if that's somehow better than the average working girl. I think TER is also populated by a lot of 50-60 yo men who are happy to be f**king a 35-40 yo woman.

If you are a 25-35 yo guy looking for 21-25 yo girls, you won't find them among the major posters on the TER Discussion board.

If those older women can get it, more power to them. If that means the younger girls will be less-expensive, as far as I'm concerned that's great!

OK newbie.....
it is your right  and your money to spend where ever you want. But GTM is the more fuckable then the newbie ...It is also about attitude over anything. Not sure how old or broken down your body is...
But for the most part.
That's why this game is so much fun. Variety is the spice of life. And may I say...
I have played with 20 years olds and 40 year olds...And the men I have played 3 some with...Enjoyed older vintage then the newbie girl who faked her licks....
I for one prefer to play with women my age...As well We are too old to play games.
This is me! I earned my stripes.
So for the men with hot sexy desires. I'll take a open mind over a closed one.
It gets most women hotter to fuck your mind up as well as ride those pogo sticks!!!!

Seems to be pretty simple. Girls can charge whatever they want, no matter what each individual might think about how they look. Most high end girls are paid for so much more then their looks, and are what you might call the courtesan experience. Most don't meet for less than 2 or 3 hours and it's usually not just a romp in the hay. These girls are the ones who are masters at their "craft" and for most, more then the average escort. The rate usually indicates that you are not number 3 that day or even that week because most of us can't afford that, or just find it absurd to pay that much. Some guys will sacrifice on looks a little bit to feel secure, and be with a girl who is intelligent and low volume.

I have seen Cl girls for a less than $$ that look like supermodels, but I would not pay em. I look for a combination of things in a provider...sometimes I get lucky, and sometimes I don't.

If all you are concerned with is looks, you are easy to please, but I doubt you will ever know true quality if that is "all" you look for. Takes more than a pretty face and hot bod, to rock my boat and don't mind paying more for it.

You live up to your name Ciara. Love your attitude and the way you deal with some of these bums LOL. Too bad you are not closer to me.

Okay, okay . . . this has been answered so many times, but I understand that you're a newbie. However, some -- and only "some" -- of the other answers from more seasoned hobbiests I find hysterical because they are not providers, yet seem to have the answers (albeit some were good, but not everything has been explained)!

I've found that most of the younger ladies' donations are higher -- those who are generally in their late twenties or the mid-thirties range. They're possibly working their way through college, have children to support and/or think that their tight little bodies will get them more money. Hey! I think it's great and more power to them. I think every lady's donations are different for different reasons. There is no set structure.

I was booked at $$$$ an hour when I worked for an agency and immediately dropped my donations when I became an independent, thus cutting out the middle man. I then dropped my donations further when some men in my community decided to try to get some free booty or cheaper booty and try to control the market. So, to make things more competitive and not to give anyone in particular a discount, I lowered my donations to something that I was comfortable with and also the client could easily draw out of the bank in a hurry at night. Good marketing on my part, and I don't need to make $$$ or $$$$, unless I'm driving a long distance and doing outcall. So . . . with this said, some guys need to stop assuming they know why ladies have certain prices. There are some ladies who get $$$$$ an hour, but they're either hurting due to a certain amount of men who cannot afford them and have to constantly advertise, or they're doing porn-star stuff and deserve every penny they get. Some ladies also offer expensive drinks, treats, backrubs, etc., and charge more for their unique and considerate services.

Also, I get tired of men thinking that because women who post only two and three-hour appointments are the only "courtesans."  That is not always true. I consider myself a "courtesan."  Yes! I generally get booked for more than an hour because I truly love to pamper my clients with a rubdown, some great conversation, some expensive Scotch (Champagne, whatever), and one hour isn't much time to do all of it.  However, I give just as much attention to someone who is spending one hour versus three hours with me, albeit the body rub might not work if they take 45 minutes for play, as I like to give a lengthy rub down. I also can speak a few languages (and I'm not talking about sex -- literally languages from other countries), as well as have the ability to fit into any scenario with people who either establish themselves as upperclass or those at a down-to-earth, country-barbecue function. I'm also well traveled, got the degrees, etc. So, let's not rate all of us into categories.

Plus, some of the younger ladies -- or ladies who work fulltime in general -- are too busy to post on a board. Now, some of us have other part-time work, but perhaps it's from home and are able to post more on the boards. That's not only experience but a relatively good life.

Cheers!

Hugs,
Ciara

So go play in CL Playground little boy!

Thanks very much for your response.  It's much appreciated.  I get what you're saying - that rates are based upon a number of factors and your own personal history of making rate changes based upon your various work situations and market conditions is instructive.  

What I am learning (and a fact which continuously surprises me) is that a significant percentage of men find value in the courtesan-related services which some women provide.  

I personally cannot wrap my head around this concept.  Perhaps I am just wired differently, but atmospherics and/or mind games just don't give me anything that I want.  If I wanted scintillating conversation or a dazzling selection of vintage wines...then those things would have NOTHING to do with sex for me.  

For me, my dick gets hard when I see a hot nubile coed with smooth taut skin and gravity-defying tits.  I assume that this has something to do with evolution and their reproductive capability (somehow!).

I definitely appreciate the value of a woman with courtesan skills....and I would want to be friends with such a sophisticated and worldly individual and treat her as a true equal...but I probably wouldn't want to have sex with her unless her skills included building a time machine to take us both back to 1992, so I could fuck her when she was hot.

But I hear you!  : )

That's a powerful insight.  We all know the story of the soap which wasn't selling until the manufacturer put it in a gold wrapper and doubled the price...

Dude you make a lot of sense.  And I guess I am (apparently) easy to please.  All I want is a beautiful chick with a rockin bod to drop to her knees when I snap my fingers and worship my cock until I blow a load down her throat.

Nothing more is required!!!  No foreign-language skills, no Perla lingerie, no French manicure, no knowledge of fine wines, no worldly travel experience, no understanding of politics or world history is necessary.

The only other thing I can think of which might be needed is that she needs to put the lotion in the basket upon request.

Not!

You have a problem with something in my posteing, then respond to it directly. Your one line-response - "go play in the CL playground, little boy" is a waste of time.

Do you not know how to respond critically to something with which you disagree? You just fire off a knee-jerk one-line posting, and that makes you feel better?

As to the "little boy" comment, I'm well above 40. Mentally however, that's a different story...

OH Panther....sorry about the monitor....
But somebody explain to me...
how does a freight train get railed???
I know this poster thinks ALL us golden girls have been rode hard and put away wet.....
But I have never been railed!!!  i have been nailed!!!!!

It puts the lotion in the basket...

You crack me up! Your posts have really made my day! You won't make a lot of friends among the TER regulars, but I like your style.

The highest priced providers are absolutely gorgeous.  You're either not looking in the right places or don't have that kind of cash to spend.  It's a demimondaine of sorts, if you will.

Hon, some 30 and 40 somethings are still hot, but you're probably too young to see it and appreciate it. If you're young, then go for whatever it is that makes you drool, but please refrain from using sentences like: "I probably wouldn't want to have sex with her unless her skills included building a time machine to take us both back to 1992, so I could fuck her when she was hot. You wouldn't believe some of the women I've seen in their 40's who look hotter than some 20 year olds. Of course, this is the day and age of the 40's being the new 30's and botox, etc.

Hugs,
Ciara

Hope you still let me meet you!

Indeed. Security, discretion, and being able to handle ones self appropriately in any situation are all VERY tangible attributes.

This, was a very interesting and thought provoking thread. I was very pleased to read how many men appreciate that beauty is only skin deep.

Regards,
Tracy Tyme
San Diego MILF

Based on the calls and compliments I receive on a daily basis from YOUNG and OLD alike, I'd like to say that being in your 40's is not a death sentence nor does it mean I've been "rode hard and put away wet" ---- although now that I mention it, that sounds like a boat load of fun!

Don't knock it till you try it. We CAN dazzle you in ways you've not yet dreamt up. Really.

Not that I am knocking the young gals, just here to report that the 40's market is ALIVE and WELL!  Supply and demand.... Right?

Great topic - like I said before.

Thanks for all the responses. They were food for thought from many different angles! Variety IS the spice of life. That's why were here!

Again.
Tracy Tyme

Thanks! I can't help it, I need to speak my mind, even when it threatens the "establishment."

Oh, well.

...You're just another closet misogynist who now has an outlet.

Nothing new, interesting or cool.

I'm glad that you've discovered that TER is more fun than Dungeons and Dragons though.

Have at it!

Now THAT was funny!

(Hey, wait a minute.  I played Dungeons and Dragons way back when ...)

:-&

Here is why your post fails:

1.  I'm not a misogynist.  I don't hate women, I merely objectify them.  For someone on a TER board to attempt to take the high-and-mighty road regarding treatment of women is possibly the most ludicrous and indefensible statement that one could make. A more profound instance of the pot calling the kettle black cannot even be imagined.

2.  I never claimed, nor do I think, that my position is cool or edgy or new.  If you were capable of (a) reading and (b) thinking, you would know that.  With your holier-than-thou attitude and derogatory statements toward me about "Dungeons and Dragons," you are implying that I am a nerd/geek and that YOU are cooler and more interesting than I am. Once again, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Your post is a classic example of a phenomenon known as psychological projection.  

But then again....maybe you truly are a dashing, heroic, cool, fascinating swashbuckler of a man, with a steely eye trained on treating women as your equal, and a true gentleman to boot.  

But I'm guessing you're not.

And I look forward to meeting you, too!

Hugs,
Ciara

One lone man crying out about how he simply likes to fuck hot young things and dissing mature providers is simply that.  There are many threads already discussing the lack of set coorelation between price and appearance and/or price and performance.

Your shallow opion.  It's not threatening in the least, even to this "OLD" lady of 35.  Honestly, this thread was a boring read actually...

I hope you entertained yourself.

I see.  

So paying a 35 year-old woman for sex is somehow less "shallow" than paying a 20 year-old woman for sex?  

This is probably a good working definition for  the word "delusional."

Your opinion that only nubile young providers have value and that us old ladies are "rode hard and put away wet" is simply your opinion... And a boring and shallow one at that.

When you mature a bit you may figure out what you are missing. Until then just use the search feature to find what you are looking for... And consider trying to not be so insulting towards all us fantastic older ladies and the gents who adore us.

Really, I'm bored with this.
Keep beating your dead horse if you like..

Ohhh...I see what the problem is.

I never said "rode hard and put away wet."  Those are someone else's words.

I also never said that old ladies had "no value."  Those are someone else's words.

What I meant was that I had assumed that the value of services provided would decline over time as the provider aged from a bouncy cheerleader into a grumbling lunchlady.  Think of it as the progression from Kelly Bundy to Peg Bundy.  

The reason for my post was my astonishment to find some providers were charging a lot of money, even as their crows-feet deepened and their breasts drooped toward the equator.  

See?  Now we agree!  : )

DUH...huh?

Sure dblhappy!