I thought it might be good for us (especially providers) to hear of the little pecadilloes that hobbyists find objectionable.

I'm not talking about major deal busters like bait and switch, or security lapses; but instead those minor things we tend to shrug off but nevertheless find objectionable.

In my case, it's providers who tell you to be somewhere at a certain time, you call them, and they say they need another fifteen minutes (which is really 30 minutes) to get ready.  I guess I have a punctuality thing and in most cases the extra time has not real ill effect on me, but I'm thinking of guys who told their wives or bosses that they'd be back at X O'Clock and now they have to decide between cutting a session short or coming up with an excuse as to why they are late.

I just hate having to sit in a parking lot looking foolish.

Gals:  Please feel free to start a new thread outlining our shortcomings.  God knows I'm sure we have a few.

How about providers that stand you up or cancels the appointment when you get there and make that second call.

Pisses the hell out of me. Don't care how good the provider is, no more calls from me or my buddies in the hobby. Seems to happen more with younger providers, at least in my experience.

Punctuality matters to me, too. I understand that things happen and people run late but at least give a reasonable estimate about how late. When 15 minutes turns into an hour, it's  a bummer.

Another thing that gets me a bit is when it's obvious that things are scripted. I try to do enough research to make reasonably sure that's unlikely to happen but...

Yes, it is respect for anothers time. I am in the old school thought pattern that on time is 15 minutes early and I wait. I do things a little different than most and am not real busy, but always leave plenty of time for those who are not so respectful of my time. This is not easy for a lady who has others scheduling her.

By the way if you read my reviews it is noted about my timely manner of arrival and in most cases not a clock watcher. It's all a matter of scheduling myself.
     Kisses Haley

It's those little pop-ups when you enter a provider's site asking if I want to make it a favorite.  Please ladies, turn em off.

You have a very nice pair of peeves and I would like to pet them one day.


Thank You
2008=27

due to the previous appointment running late though.  Maybe the previous client arriving late or staying longer.  But I guess it's also poor planning.

As For Me It Goes Both Ways.
Tootles
Molly

1)  Men who show up early to my incall. I'd rather someone be 10 minutes late and even specify that when I give them directions. If he's early, he better find something else to do and not sit in front of my incall.

2)  I'm rarely late to an outcall appointment, unless it is due to traffic. Phoenix is horrific and trying to get to the north side of Scottsdale is a hit and miss situation. There are no direct freeways to several locations in Scottsdale. I wish more men would stay near Oldtown, but out-of-towners don't realize it and many stay on the far north side of Scottsdale. It could take an hour to get there. I have even left my house 1 1/2 hours early to make sure I get there, but then I sit in the hot parking lot for 30 minutes. Sometimes, I've been 15 minutes late even leaving myself that much time, but I always call the person and tell him the approximate time I'll be there and why the tardiness. Sometimes you cannot control traffic or accidents. Men should always allow women an extra 15 minutes if they request outcall, and I believe women should also give enough time to men without booking back-to-back appointments.

3)  Men who think just because they've showered before coming over means they don't need to freshen up. It's 114 degrees, guys. I don't care how good your air conditioning is, a lot of you are still sweaty when I give you a hug at the door. Guess what? If you feel sweaty or your clothes are wet, it means you need to freshen up.

4)  Bad breath.

5)  Not following the advice given on her website

6)  Men who talk about other providers (usual untrue gossip) in the company of their new ATF's. It gets back to all of us. That is why a lot of ladies refuse to see some men. Men like these are usually overly sensitive and don't have a clue.

Thanks for asking us, Mr. Fisher. You're a doll!


Hugs,
Ciara





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As a hobbyist, here are mine:

1.  Having me wait in parking lot as Mr. Fisher says.

2.  Getting voice mail when calling to let know I've arrived, or worse yet- a voice mail box full message where you can't even leave a message.  Although I do understand and don't get peeved if there is an immediate call back.

3.  Immediate 'get naked' which actually hasn't happened in a long time I guess because I got pretty known.  I like to get acquainted, get comfortable, and enjoy seduction.

4.  The standard 'script' as Mr. Fisher says-  LFK, DFK, BBBJ, Cowgirl, Doggie, Mish- done.  I really enjoy a mutual explore and enjoy time not a fire drill.

5.  Any discussion of me by name, TER handle, occupation with other providers and clients.  I keep my lips zipped and expect the same.  Hobbyists do DNS providers too- and the fastest way to get on my DNS list is to let it be known I've been in a session or discuss my info.  I began playing only out of town on this issue and a fairly liberal hobby budget went elsewhere.


6.  Being asked about other providers I've seen- see #5.

7.  Bad Breath- I don't care how much you brush and mouthwash- if you eat onions or garlic or a cheeseburger with onions right before a visit, it's going to be apparent.

8.  NSNC is the fastest way to get on my DNS list-  I've never cancelled an appt and pretty much expect the same unless a real emergency.

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...it can take me a while to climax.  My pet peeve is when a provider starts telling me she wants me to cum, like I can flip a switch and it will happen.  When they start saying that, it just flusters me and I take even longer...

In my business, I deal with salesmen. Occasionally one will offer some bit of indiscrete info about one of our competitors. I immediately end the relationship. If he'll tell me their secrets, then mine aren't safe either.

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So I always give myself an extra hour for traffic. I have never been late. Problem is, I only need the full hour about 10% of the time and usually get to the location about 45 minutes early.

I have set a pattern with a few regulars, where I call when I arrive and explain that I was lucky with traffic. AND if they desire I could move things up a bit. I always make it clear that I'm not asking for a schedule change, and that it is absolutely at their discretion. About half the time they want to move things up, otherwise I find some place to quietly twiddle my thumbs.

It takes me "extra" time to get an erection and I can lose it more quickly than "normal".

The best providers welcome knowing this ahead of time. The subject never comes up again and they handle things very appropriately.

So if you aren't having that discussion up front, I suggest you bring it up (pun intended).

I'm with you MrFisher, with the being on time thing. I'm in sales, so like HaleyOrlando said, being on time is really being at least 15 minutes early, I don't mind waiting, cause I usally have a ton of calls to make so I sit in the car and work the phone until the exact time. As to CiaraPhx post, I was on the freeway in Scottsdale the other heading towards Tempe and ran into a ton of traffic, on my way to a session, I called the lady and told her I was running late, she was very understanding. It works both ways.

lol- how 'bout when they go at you like thunder then suddenly stop, look at you, and say 'have you come yet?'

How fast a mood killer is that?

i was 20 mins late to see my very first sp.

the frustration about the traffic, along wih the pre-game jitters, caused the 'perfect storm' result.  

she was so sweet about it.  

that feeling still stays with me...  and i've never been late again.

I'm with you on this one.  It often takes a while to get hard, and to actually get off.

 I've had her driver call to say it's almost time- when I was seconds away!! ARRRGGHHH!

 My peeve's
1) Too many rules.  They advertise gfe, but then tell you once they arrive about their no kissing, no fingering, no oral, etc...  I'm all about you protecting yourself (and me!), and fully understand where they are coming from, but I'm in this for the company and intimicy as much as the sex.  Kissing, touching, fondling etc are what gets me going.  I'm a newbie at this, but my understanding was gfe meant more than just a standard suck n fuck.

2)  This has only happened once, but boy was it a mood killer.  SHE was not fresh...  Ugh.  Very pretty, sweet as can be, nice full figure.  I wanted to DATY, and she was willing, but when I started playing with her-whoa!  Hygene works both ways.

3) as explained in my other post, when they freak out upon hearing that the outcall is to be to my rig.  I understand that you're busy, and time is money, but a simple "Sorry, but I'd rather not"  works just fine. ( and maybe next time, when I do have a room, I'll remember how nice you were about it and call you)

 That's all for me- I've mostly had extremely positive experiences!

Many of the pet peeves listed I can overlook...I do enough homework, that I know if a lady is late, there is probably a good reason for it, I've been late  my self due to traffic.  BUT THIS ONE IS 100% inexcusable in my book.....Somewhere in the middle of a date...her freaking phone rings!!!! WORSE>>>>she gets up and answers it!!!
WORSER>>>>>it leads to 10 minutes of texting back and forth(so you can't tell what the hell is going on (on your dime) and WORSTEST>>>>>>She cuts the date off 10 min early(she already has your money)>>>>because that phone call was to remind her that her friends are all at a bar waiting for her so they can party!!!  YES This happened...YES it was a VERY well reviewed lady, YES I let it go once...and YES it happened again on a subsequent date!  WOW...Now I'm PO'd   LOL

I hate it when I do outcall and I get there early and have to sit in the parking lot, but I don't want to be late. Luckily, I only do outcall about four times a year now. But I feel your pain, honey.

Hugs,
Ciara

If that were told to me all the time when I've only been messing around for 20 minutes, then it would be frustrating. But remember, providers see many men, so a lot of times the man is trying to hold off to get us to cum and we might not be able to for some reason. Plus, some overstay their welcome, thinking they have all the time in the world because they're paying for it. There have been a few times I've said it because I knew it would turn him on depending upon the situation and the way I have said it.

If you don't like it, just mention it. We're not mind readers, hon. The clock will start ticking with all of us if someone schedules an hour appointment and doesn't get down to business until 45 minutes later and cannot cum until it is almost two hours later. That is not our fault. We might think some are taking advantage of our time and think they might be holding off. A lot of men who have difficulty cuming or even getting it hard should not hold off too long, or they may not get off at all. That is probably why some providers have said to you, "I want you to cum." You have to be objective and also communicate with her.

Tell her upfront that it takes awhile for you, but also tell her what pleases you the most so she can plan your time together accordingly. Without communication you'll never be happy, nor will Mr. Happy be happy. If you see new providers all the time and don't tell them this, then no one will have the chance to please you.


Hugs,
Ciara




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especially when they brag about how well educated they are.

Drive me nuts.

I turn my phone off once you arrive and will not answer it while you are here. If your phone rings, I never know do you need to check it or not. On outcall, I hate having to look for your envelope.

When someone tells you 15 minutes here is a tip, don't go sit in the parking lot. Just go get a coffee or anything to kill 15 minutes.

Oh and you are not looking foolish. I see lots of people sitting in cars in parking lots all over the place talking on their phones, etc.

My pet peeve is guys with multiple aliases.

Oops this was about guy's pet peeves.

Sara

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I run late sometimes but not because of another client, I'm just not ready yet. Poor planning yes that is true.

I mean about 5-10-15 minutes. But guys also like to show up too early for incalls. So we can't be accounted also for the ten minutes or more they showed up early IMO. Just be on time or close to it. But not early.

Sara

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For the Ladies:

Most Mood Breaking = Painfully obvious fake moans and other reactions.  Ladies, we know we are not THAT good.  I much prefer a true subdued reaction than Theater 101 fakery.

Most Irritating = Phone calls in the middle of an appointment, then answering and conducting business matters.  Hey, I understand that there are times when emergencies arise, but I don't consider tomorrow's prospective customer to warrant this kind of interruption.  This has only happened twice to me.  Definite "no repeat" after that.

Most Disappointing = Using outdated, overly glamorized (touched-up), or misrepresenting photos on your site.  Hey, I do know that the whole idea is marketing, but if a guy is looking for something in particular, he is probably not going to be happy if he feels misled.  There are guys that love what I am not looking for, and there are guys that aren't interested in what I crave, but how are we supposed to know without accurate photos?

For the guys:

(Kind of related to the last one)
Took me a while to figure out = Widespread Appearance grade inflation.  I know that everyone has differing tastes.  I certainly appreciate that.  But come on, the 9s and 10s are handed out like candy sometimes.  A 9 is supposed to = "Model Material".  Think Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, Marisa Miller.  There are not many women that can live up to that comparison.  10 is once in a lifetime; much has been said about that, but I personally have yet to see that level of beauty smiling at me across a bed.  The major problem with this is that, I have seen a few truly beautiful women and I feel that the 9s I gave them are true, but with everyone else running around sporting 9s, the score is de-valued.  Heck, I almost feel bad for the women that get 8s from me.  They each were defintely "Very Hot", but an 8 is basically average around here.  Not much room for nuance on a scale from 7 to 10.

I must be in a cranky mood today



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Wish you could follow me too but alas, you are aways from me and haven't the courage to do the travel thing as yet. Keep me on your wish list and i'll do the same.
    Till then
       Kisses Haley

I don't even like someone talking on their cell phone while I'm out to dinner with them (unless they're a doctor or a firefighter). What could be that important that it can't wait for a few hours? I have come to notice that my generation and older are so much more polite -- no offense to ladies who are younger and grew up with good manners.


Hugs,
Ciara

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I get really annoyed with provider websites that try to get to artsy with the pictures.  Anything that slows down viewing the gallery makes me just close the site down.

I particularly hate the thumbnails that show just a portion of the picture, making you click it to see the whole thing.

The 'rare-escort' sites and their annoying galleries also raise my ire.