Is there a difference between a hobbyist, a client, and a trick?  I realize that, technically, they all describe the same thing:  A person who pays to be in the company of escorts (whatever that may entail).  But the more I read these boards, the more I realize that there seem to be definite "types" of customers out there that seem to fall into a few categories. If we were to stop using all of these labels indiscriminately, as a sort of catchall for anyone who has ever hired a call girl, how would you describe each group?

IMO A Hooker is a woman who sells sex for a living and is honest and forthright about it.

make both our points doesn't she? Does a courtesan give CBJ's and write lengthy diatribes disguised as threADS? I'd say not.

You forgot another type of client that does not fit your above description. Some single guys only do this once in awhile between girlfriends. Some married guys still love their wife but find themselves with no sex life because the wife lost interest.  

Based on your criteria, I fall somewhere in between a hobbyist/client. As a hobbyist, I'm amazed at the sheer numbers. I wouldn't call it pride or conquest, but the numbers are there. I'd call it sheer enjoyment. I do love the philosophical aspects of the hobby, and enjoy these forums. I have my own rating system, as well as an all time top ten sessions in history list (there have been so many it's more like a top 25 now). Although I don't spend money off the clock on a lady, I would if I were able to do so (I sometimes bring small gifts if appropriate). As a client I enjoy the parts of a lady's life she wishes to share with me. Be that real life interests, or hobby stories. In fact, hobby stories are fun, and I'm fully aware that each lady shares her life with many gentlemen. The mutual enjoyability of an interaction is an absolute must. I understand that I'm the one paying for my pleasure, but if the lady doesn't enjoy herself too, I can't come back. If you only could have seen my session from last Saturday. The lady was enjoying herself so much, she blurted out the words 'I Love You'. Realizing her boundary pushing statement, she quickly qualified it as a hobby type of love, within a certain time frame. I understood her perfectly as I feel a respectful love for all the ladies who give me this incredible lifestyle opportunity. One can feel love here, yet not want an outside relationship. Yes, I understood the parameters of her love, but wow, what a compliment. It was wonderfully spontaneous. I might just go see her again.

You can fuck a few holes sometimes all holes if you pay up. They are like a glorified glory hole in a way.

the terms hobbyist vs. john/whoremonger/trick and provider vs. escort/hooker/whore.  It's slightly off topic, but I've wanted an opportunity to voice my opinion on this.

that you don't know the difference between a hooker and a courtesan.  Courtesans are true ladies that take pride in their profession and make every effort to treat you as a very special person.

Same shit, different name. Get over it.

I like it so much I am willing to pay for it on occasion. Heck I even have paid for it shortly after having free sex in my private life. I like to like the person I am having sex with and have a fun time. I am not sure where that puts me?  
I will say there is a difference between providers. Pay $100 a hour at a cheap motel next to a truck stop and pay $700 a hour in a nice private apt. There is a huge difference in service and trust. Quality cost more and is worth it no matter what term you use.

It's one thing if YOU call them courtesans, it's quite another if that's what they call themselves.

I think of the ladies as "professionals" or if I am being cute "ladies of negotiable virtue".  Obviously, I can't speak of what others think.  I see elements of myself in the hobbyist category as well - but client is probably closer to it.  I expect professional behavior in the ladies I see - in turn, I act professionally as well.  I have no particular interest in seeing lots of ladies in the same way that I do not have any interest in having lots of doctors.  I find ones I like, I stick with them.  When it no longer works, I move on.  Sometimes I consult specialists.  You wouldn't see a urologist for your heart condition would you?   I likewise would not see a vanilla GFE if I was interested in FFing a submissive.   Many of the girls I see are also specialists - though there are some very good general (and versatile) practitioners in that group as well.

welcome to the club, Mojojojojojo!

.....since its more appealing. For myself....I know what I am, and if a provider (or dancer) wants to refer to me as a customer, hobbyist, trick, jane or whore-mongering pig, then I'm good with that.
 

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Interesting tangent/look at the topic....

You've been arrested 7 times, I've been at this for over forty years and have NEVER been arrested. Who would you guess has the better grasp over how this shit really works?

Perry Mason was a fictional criminal attorney many years ago.  He really wasn't an attorney IRL.  Same with other TV shows portraying how the criminal justice system works.  

You can choose to do what ever the fuck you want, but I am a "whoremonger" and I have every intention of continuing to use the term. Ok more accurately I am a "whoremongering pig" but lets not quibble over the small stuff

Yeah, that.

Are you sure you don't want to switch to "fancy man?" 😂

But I could totally see it.

Of course, what do you say to that?  

Now what do you want?  Because for the life of me I can't figure out why on Earth you keep taking time out of your day to harass me.  Do you know, of the 29 board posts you've written, TWELVE of them are either written directly to or about me?! That's nearly half of time you've spent on the General Board wasted on someone who you've never met and have no plans to see.  

It was REALLY REALLY dumb, but not off topic. and after further thought on the subject, anyone still clinging to these kind of myths regarding P4P at well past forty is no longer naïve, but is a REALLY REALLY slow learner. I wouldn't go so far as to say she's dumb for believing the dumb things she has posted, but.........

Smack My Bitch Up.

"You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

my wish is that I could just call everyone "John" during sex, so I have no chance of screwing up names. I like to say names during sex, but it gets way too confusing here.  

I could not agree with you more.

As long as it requires you taking my cock out of your mouth to do so.

Due to the fact it is a third party who wrote them...I guess the disclaimer on TER that they are words of fiction is as useless as the disclaimer most tricks poke fun of on a hookers website.  

tomato, potato, potato....hmmmmmm

...have covered it. I'm not sure. Ricky was singing about others expecting him to stick to singing his hits even 40 years later.

that all mean the same thing!

I built a house for him last year.

I consider the men I see repeatedly friends.  One is almost a daddy figure another more like a tormentor.  I call the rest friends unless we've never met before in which case they are anonymous tormentors or play partners.  Words don't matter all that much to me, though, as much as intention and context.  Its not upsetting or shocking to me when someone uses one word over another.  If she/he's trying to shock me, though, its unimpressive and strikes me as a desperate attempt to use language when they just aren't very good at it.  If she/he's trying to hurt people, I know that person is just an asshole to ignore.

I posted a link to the Nelson version last month on one of TS Sasha's threads when she said something about not pleasing everyone.

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The fact is whether they have the same basic meaning or not, words DO have different connotations and that DOES matter sometimes.  We're talking about human beings here, not toilets.  

Why would I run you off the boards? You're the best piñata we have here of late. You sure are thin skinned as well! That's the best part!

Why would he? We're actually good pals. At least you have THEAvaStClaire to commiserate with right? And btw, I wasn't talking to her in the first place.

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I like that term. Lol. To me, I have a hard time with the term whore. It brings to mind someone who is going through my pant pockets as she is on the ground performing oral or asks me if I want bbfs for extra. Hooker isn't bad in my mind if that's what they are. Most BP unreviewed qv providers are in this category. Nothing bad to me, just a classification based off of service type. I saw one last month that I thought was a hooker but ended up being a whore. I just need to learn to stick to the beautiful, reviewed friends I find here.

Sexist terms are fair game. And so are the terms used in this industry. No-one gives a crap, well on here that is. IRL I do not use the terms I use here. "Here" is microcosm separate from other parts of my world. A place that is quite foreign and odd most of the time. The divisions, the back biting, the hatred is all part of this little world which is very evident in the names people address each other by. The cruder the better it seems or the more demeaning the better, sort of like trying valiantly to keep each faction in their place.

give a rat's ass what you call me... as long as you're smiling when you say it...
trick
ATM
walking wallet
male chauvinist pig
client
john
makes no difference to me because I know exactly what I am... and what I am is an old fart who is too lazy to troll bars and clubs to get my dick wet with enough disposable income to occasionally engage a professional to haul my ashes for me...  

I use the term 'Buddy' to describe any woman I've had sex with outside of any traditional stultifying and soul-crushing relationship.  

We may have very different styles, but I like the way you think.  I don't know that I'll ever be able to get past my IRL distaste for those words (even when I'm in this "subterranean pit"), but I'm definitely learning that some people really do use them as cheeky shorthand whereas others are using them to offend.  

If one can call a provider or escort a whore why can't I use the word nigger or kike? Because those words are bad words but whore is not? No, if one is going PC then do it right or not at all.

Too late to modify. Did you really go back, pull up all my threads and analyze them to see which directly or indirectly involved you? You really DO have way too much time on your hands don't you?

nigger, kike, wop, faggot, mick, gook... but never in a mean spirited manner and not with people that I am sure are good with it... some folks just can't tell the difference so it's best not to ruffle their feathers..

Did it ever occur to you that you are exchanging sex for someone to prepare your meals, change your kids diapers, clean your house, accompanying you to dinner, theater, movies, day trips, camping, fishing ?  

Oh the burdens of PC correctiveness that you must bear, never having been personally subjected to any sort of name calling or discrimination, eh?

Based upon your definitions...

with humility.  

That is really my whole point. If  some words are bad and socially looked down upon, why not all derogatory words INCLUDING the sexist ones? But no, "we" cherry pick due to the crying and whining of the groups that don't like certain words.  

I consider myself a Hobbyist/Client - I will see a woman that strikes some type of check box on my list of likes. When I see that perfect woman for me I will go out of my way to make an encounter enjoyable for both of us focusing on her pleasure as well as mine. Extremely respectful of her boundaries, time and my appearance. I am not looking for notches but experiences with great people. I like to see ATF's on a more regular basis but sadly most of them tour so that is not an option unless I am willing to travel to them. I Do not want time out of a physical encounter for me it is hours of lust and desire that buildup to a very specific purpose and I will use all of that time for that release for both of us.

and I use just about every one of those words depending of course on the environment I am in.  

I live by this one rule...I will treat you how you treat me.  

At least that would be how I would classify "our side" of this business.

Now since I am not white I don't suffer from any symptoms of white guilt and I can't stand political correctness, and refuse to be offended over the small shit, just because a bunch of mainly white liberals tell me I am "supposed" to be offended.

And since this is a mens locker room, they set the tone. So they are either constantly insulting us or they really do dislike the female side of the human race.  

And again, what's the difference?  Something of value is being exchanged for sex.  Women do not generally offer sex 'out of the goodness of their heart'.  That's horribly naïve.  Especially in a culture that tells women their value derives from their sexuality.  Even the woman taking care of the slob has likely done her own math and determined that she gains enough financially to justify the misery.

It's the high school men's locker room. I remember us guys saying horrible things about women in high school. Then we would meet our girlfriends and act like perfect angels. Some of us do the same thing when we post here and meet the girls. As long as we say bad things it means we like you!!

AMEN!

in the same league as just any woman who puts up an ad?