This is a question is for seasoned gents; responses can be geared toward anyone.
Guys, do you carry with you, into an incall, your (a) ID, (b) entire wallet and (c) extra cash when seeing a provider FOR THE FIRST TIME?
so............. What say you
If I am stopped by the authorities, I will not agree to a search of my person without probable cause, and if there is probable cause I am probably fucked anyhow.
I always carry cash on me and there is no law against it. The one thing I will do is leave any LARGE amounts of cash either at home, or in the car, but my definition of large probably differs from most. I usually carry a grand or so on me most of the time, If i have been to a casino or race track, I might have $4-5K on me at any given time, That amount of cash I will usually squirrel away somewhere rather than bringing it into an incall, but carrying a grand or so is not an issue to me.
It's good to be cautious, but some of the clandestine overkill some of you guys go to seem a bit silly to me.
I'm with Gambler, i keep that kind of money on me at all times, but back in the old days i would leave my extra cash in the car. Now i rarely ever do incall so i don't have that issue. And i only see well reviewed ladies anymore and have never had a problem. I am there to have a good time, not worry about every little thing. RELAX dude.......................
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You are like the goddamned James Bond of whoremongers.
I have always been and will be in awe. (I'm serious. No smart-ass comment here)
Wallet, cash, ID, credit cards, keys, phone, etc, all on me. Larger amounts of cash (over 1k) I won't carry into an incall unless the date is more than that amount. I have never worried about carrying my personal stuff or money on me at an incall with an escort, and I dont worry about getting caught by LE.
The exception is when I used to see streetwalkers back in the day. Then I would stash my wallet in my car, and just carry my ID and the amount of cash I think I needed for the date. Even then, that was only when I was actually planning on picking up a SW and could prepare ahead of time. If I happened to be walking down the sidewalk and struck up a conversation with some lady and ended up following her to her room, then I had on me whatever I had on me. There was no time or place to stash anything.
but I didn't care and I actually thought it was pretty funny! I picked up a SW (A long time ago in a galaxy not too far away) who offerred me an in car BJ for 10 bucks. She was actually really pretty too with a nice body. Not at all what you would expect would be offering a 10 buck BJ, but it was a depressed economy in a depressed neighborhood, (not Waikiki) and I guess she needed money for rent or cigarrettes or drugs or something (although there was no obvious telltale signs of drug abuse like track marks or fucked up teeth) So we drove around until we found a secluded spot. I pulled my wallet out of my back pocket and gave her a tenner, then I dropped the wallet between my driver door and the seat. She pulled my pants and underwear down to my knees, and pulled down her strapless dress to give me access to her tits. While she was blowing me and I was fondling her tits, I saw and felt her pulling loose dollar bills out of my pants front pocket! I never even said anything because I only had three loose ones in there and I was getting a hell of a deal anyway, so it amounted to a 30% tip! But just seeing her do that, made it seem like she regularly did that, and I'm sure she got more than three bucks out of other guys.
This incident didn't change how I hobbied or what I had with or on me when doing it. In fact it didn't even stop me from seeing her again. I found her again in the same area a few months later and got in car CFS, plus BBBJ CIM for $30. (but there was a whole other story to that one --see below)
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I have the donation in an envelope
I have my wallet with whatever cash I have... Maybe $50-100.
I have my cell phone.
I have my keys.
I have on my watch.
I may have some wine.
I have a video camera and tripod so I can remember things vividly... JK
I dont have a plan to make a run for it if LE is on the scene. LOL
Once I stepped up the quality of provider, it has worked out great... Knock on wood.
so it is best to have a photo ID like a driver's license on you.
If you can not produce same, they are allowed to hold you until you can establish identity.
(still not a lawyer)
unless I am swimming or something I have no problem showing ID to LE if asked. I may STFU about anything they might ask, but I will gladly give my ID. I also figure if I drop dead or am badly injured and have to go to a hospital, at least someone can ID me and notify NOK. That's why I mentioned in my post above even when I saw streetwalkers and left credit cards and wallet, cash etc stashed, my ID was with me. Yeah I realize that I could get rolled by a pimp or something and have my ID taken but that was a risk I was willing to take. There was nothing else on me worth stealing.
but that was another lifetime ago. I still remember there were some hotties working the street in Waikiki back about 25-30 years ago. I had my first P4P threesome there. Two hot young blondes both about 20 and maybe 105 lbs. I spent a good hour with the two of them in some dive walking distance from the fancy places on Waikiki beach, I think I spent about eighty bucks for the both of them,
but yes, back then I would never carry much more that about a hundred bucks and no valuable jewelry, but despite the rather sketchy neighborhoods I found myself in, I never had any major problems, but then again I didn't present myself as an easy mark either.
without probable cause. Sure, they'll often lie and tell you they have a right to see your ID on demand, but you're under no obligation to show it to them. (Do not, however, ever show a cop a fake ID.)
(yes, I am a lawyer)
since you are a lawyer and I am not, but isnt probable cause as easy as being in the wrong place at the worng time? Or if you are driving a car they obviously have the right to ask you for your drivers license. In any case whether they have the right to ask for it or not, I have never had a problem showing my ID to a cop who asks. I would much rather show them my ID and have them take down my name and number and send me on my way, then get held or taken in until I can prove my identity.
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have their own laws allowing police to ask for identification.
Identifying yourself is not the same as presenting a government issued ID.
Also, we are not talking about a Terry stop, that's not the point of my OP. Cops ask people all the time for ID with no cause, and you don't have to give them ID if you are on foot. Dealing with cops who claim "reasonable suspicion" has a few more facets to it. That's a different animal
If you're showing up to a bust, they have probable cause, and you're going to be booked, ID or not.
LE has the right to ask just about anything they want. But, IF YOU ARE ON FOOT, you do not have to present ID. Nor can they hold you unless they are in the midst of investigating a crime. If you are driving you must present your Drivers License, Registration, and Proof of insurance. But that is only in that situation.
Now they might ask you, and they might go further, but they may break your civil rights . Most cops do not know this, nor do most citizens. So that little dance of prove who you are goes on all the time, due to ignorance, fear of cops, our growing police state, and a general sheeple existence.
If you don't believe me, research it properly and you will find out I'm accurate.
I've personally been through this more than once in real life, I'm one of those "Patriot" types who stands on the Constitution, and shoves it in the face of every cop that tries to trample on my rights or speak to me for any reason - those two are virtually the same thing (Yes, I'm "that guy") I have a giant retainer with a pretty damn good and reasonably high-profile criminal defense attorney in my state, that allows me to call him 24/7, whereby he "schools" the officer trying to get all cop up in my face. For me it's entertainment.
A card I carry from my attorney, gives the "5 things to say to a Police officer"
Am I under arrest?
Am I free to go?
No, you MAY NOT search me, my house, my car, my bag, etc.
I will not answer any questions.
I want my attorney, NOW.
All you have to do is repeat those things over and over, without buckling. (easier said than done, certainly)
Yes, you may end up with 3 or 4 cars called in, a sargeant, a supervisor, the good cop bad cop routine, a K-9 unit to sniff at you...maybe for an hour or more. It's a pain and it takes some nerve to deal with cops this way. It took me a while to be able to. But you get real sense of freedom as an American citizen when you basically tell them to fuck off and leave you alone, and they have to.
Going to Manhattan is easy for me.
One time I had a run in with the cops, and was detained. (Not escort related)
Not arrested. But it was long enough to get towed away.
First you think someone stole your car..
It sucks big time.
Then you have to wait untill they process the damn thing before they even know they took it.
I would rather have been arrested..
At least I would have known where my car was.
Sorry HC, I couldn't resist.
That is exactly what I said..
Then I walked around for a while..
I have lost my car before
So I really looked around before I panicked and thought it was stolen.
I am such a dick. I got mad at my friends because they couldn't remember where I left my own car!
And I might have been detained for smoking a spliff in Central Park..
I don't remember.
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I have the donation, my wallet, my cell phone and my car keys. My wallet has an additional $100 or so. I don't really worry about it, as I only see indies with really good reps or agency girls from well established agencies.
On a first date I may not wear my watch, because it's quite valuable. I do my homework and I don't worry.
been burned the othwr way
It's dumb!
I have always been a good little boy, and put crisp 100's in a clean unfolded, unsealed envelope.
I'm not doing it anymore!
Here is why....
1.I just remembered how odd it can be if I got searched, and the fuzz see's this.
It just looks shady. There is no reason to have to explain having an envelope full of money, and a wallet with money in it.. So for safety... It is not smart.
Combine a white envelope, with a condom..
My Grandma would figure that out.
2.It is a pain in the ass to carry it.
If I am not wearing a coat, it is going to be stuffed in one of my back pockets.
It is easy to pickpocket, and will eventually smell like ass.
Let me keep your money in my wallet ladies??
It is a wallet for a reason. It keeps the money out of my socks..
First date security on your part ladies?? I get it..
Leave an empty envelope in the bathroom.
Tell me to go in there, clean my ass, and donate
I took that stand several years ago and got nothing but abuse from almost all of the ladies and most of the guys for doing so.
Fast forward about three years, and it's a common for guys and girls alike to eschew the envelope. FWIW you're welcome, It's a fight that has already been fought and won.
when meeting a new girl is because a lot of times it says so on their website, and I just don't want to look like someone who can't follow directions or don't care to read...
If it gives them a false sense of security or what have you, who am I to argue?
Envelope it is...
I see hookers so I don't have to play silly little games in order to get laid, if I still have to play these silly games I might as well go back to picking up bartenders and cocktail waitresses. They are just as cute, and you can get free drinks all night for fucking them. Of course they won't go home when you ask them with pitching a fit, which I why I prefer to simply pay some PYT for sex without all the bullshit. lol
I have to confess, I have NEVER brought the donation in an envelope in all the years and the literally thousands of women i have seen over these four decades or so, and I have never had a single one make an issue out of it outside of these boards. NEVER.
like bringing an envelope if someone asks for one. I could care less if a man brings one to our date, but I just can't understand those who won't bring one if requested by a lady.....then they want to post on the boards about how they've never and won't ever follow a "hooker's" rules about bringing an envelope. Really? How silly! That's so five years ago. Maybe they can't afford an envelope. It's a freaking piece of paper! I understand taking other stances in this p4p world, but putting cash in an envelope isn't one of them but whatever floats their boat, I guess. lol. I believe in picking one's battles strategically, and an envelope isn't one of them.
Curly and Hound, keep being you.
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and I think you will find that a lot of people, both men and ladies have come around to my way of thinking.
You fight your battles and I'll fight mine. If a hooker is so rigid in having guys jump through her hoops, I doubt her and i are going to be compatible in the first place. So if the envelope is a deal breaker for her, I feel like I am getting off easy. I don't deal with demanding and controlling women in my civvie life, I damn sure am not going to put up with it from a hooker.
If you think it's so silly, then why am I supposed to be the one to give in on the subject?
I pick my battles wisely and an envelope isn't one of them. I know several ladies who include the envelope verbiage on their sites only b/c that's what they've seen other ladies do and not because they're a "hooker [who] is so rigid..." in having an envelope presented to her. Seriously...but I'm sure you will continue to have your "hooker this" and "envelope that" thoughts on your mind. It's good that not everyone is so obsessed and one-sided about envelopes (a .10 cent piece of paper!)
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For some women having an envelope makes them feel more comfortable to have their money in. I can't tell you the number of times I had to try to stuff that wad of cash somewhere that was obvious. Having an envelope would have made it so much easier for me to put somewhere, vs. being paranoid about having visible cash in my purse. Then again, I guess I could just bring my own envelope lol.
What I do have a problem with is when it is made as a demand.
Except for things like "fuck me harder" i don't take to demands very well, which is probably why I don't have a boss or a wife. The problem is not the envelope itself, but demanding hookers that want a man to jump through hoops in order to give them money.
If anyone wants to give me money, they are free to give it to me anyway they want to. I try to make it easy for my customers to pay me, not more difficult.
through major hoops, but for some people, I guess opening the envelope flap might be a bit too strenuous. lol
**edited to take out a random word I added on accident**
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No disrespect to Gambler and all the anti envelope guys, including you Hound. Use an envelope or don't use it for hobbying, makes no difference to me. My argument is with the idea that it is dangerous or bad to carry cash in an envelope. Why do you think you will be in trouble if cops find you with an envelope of cash? And I have seen that argument more than a few times from the anti envelope mongers. Since when is it illegal to carry cash in an envelope! I have been carrying cash in envelopes for years. When I go to the bank to withdraw cash, they usually put it in an envelope. I have clients that pay me in cash and many times it is in an envelope. I pay for many of my purchases and services in cash and it is usually in an envelope when it is a large amount. When I go to Vegas I usually have several envelopes of cash. To me it is a convenient way of carrying it, and I know others that do the same thing. So I choose to handle my escort payments with envelopes but I do this anyway in all kinds of other areas of my life, so no big deal. I just don't understand why the anti envelope guys (some of them anyway) feel it is so wrong to use an envelope. Unless my envelopes are marked 'heroin payments', 'cocaine payments', 'prostitute money', 'counterfeit bills', I really don't see how it is any kind of problem for a cop to find me with envelope(s) of cash!
but if there is going to be an argument of which way is safer, and the argument has always been that the envelope is somehow safer. What could be more damning than having the exact amount of a woman's advertised donation in an envelope when arriving at her incall?
Like I said, if you like to do it for convenience, fine, but it cannot be argued that an envelope is safer for either the lady or the gentleman.
Truth be told I sometimes carry envelopes, or at least I did when I was frequenting casinos on a regular basis, A typical letter sized envelope is the perfect size for carrying money in $10K increments.
You are right. Many times when this argument comes up there are the folks that think it is somehow safer to have the money in an envlope, and those that think having money in an envelope is a sure fire way to get arrested! Both sides are wrong!
I definitely dont believe the envelope is safer, but my argument is with those who think it is actually dangerous. I use them for convenience.
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All due respect. I would not be treated like you.
You proved my point, and I thank you.
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make sure the money was separate from that in my wallet rather than taking out my wallet & counting the money I needed, it was already in an envelope, ready for payment. That's why as an escort, I cant understand the anti-envelope crusaders. I do it all the time and it's so easy! Really. It took me less than 1 millisecond to put the 3k in an envelope while some of these men are complaining about putting a couple hundred in an envelope! To each their own, I suppose, but i already pay most of my bills in envelopes unless paying them online, so it's natural and I'm not cheap when it comes to paying the .40 cents for an envelope, but I really should be sensitive to the fact that not everyone can afford .40 cents for an envelope...
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they're only $.1054/envelope,,,that's .11 cents if we want to get specific for those who are thrifty about paying for envelopes.
xoxo to you, xyz23
Shit! I'll give ya a lollipop with the free envelope they give me at the bank.
It isn't about that...
It is about NOT having to explain to a cop what I am doing in a place I don't belong, with a pocketful of money.
Not good....
It's a habit and I don't plan on changing it, even if it's with a regular or "ATF."
I just bring my keys, the donation, and maybe a small gift.
LE can demand for you to identify yourself, and if you are not believed & have some way to verify they can hold you for up to 24 hours under the statute. When I was in school, the law had not been tested & I don't want to be the one to do so.
I always carry ID. I am pretty confident of my dates these days but in the past I have not taken credit cards with me.
I carry my hobby phone in with me... I swap phones in my belt carrier. I generally leave my real phone somewhere safe, not carry it in.
White envolupes don't carry well in a pocket, stiff & bulky. I always count the donation a couple of times in advance & secure with a paper clip to keep it together. I've never had complaints
paranoid??
I understand being cautious.. but I wonder .. what kind of experiences you have had in your past
to warraent such behavior..
Not all " Ladies of the evening or in my case.. "daytimedistractions" are out to get you...
Speak for yourself. I would rub his toothbrush on my ass!
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I understand being cautious.. but I wonder .. what kind of experiences you have had in your past
to warraent such behavior..
Not all " Ladies of the evening or in my case.. "daytimedistractions" are out to get you....
You have no idea, lovely lady.
I carry my wallet everywhere I go , my car doors and trunk don't lock ,
I always carry extra cash , two or three times the donation .
Never had money missing when I visited a provider
except mine has the muffler dragging on the road making the sparks fly everywhere.
Guys, do you carry with you, into an incall, your (a) ID, (b) entire wallet and (c) extra cash when seeing a provider FOR THE FIRST TIME?
What has your experience taught you about this? Have you changed your methods over time?
If it depends on the situation, what criteria do you use to decide?
Lastly, if you DO NOT carry these things on a first visit, do you do the same on future visits? with a regular? with an ATF?
I'll start: I carry a key that unlocks my car, but wont start it. I carry nothing but the donation amount. The rest is locked in my trunk. This is both so I don't "lose" anything, and so I have nothing if I am stopped by the authorities while on foot. It's the same for repeats and ATF, except I might take extra cash if we go overtime.
so............. What say you?