This is a question is for seasoned gents;  responses can be geared toward anyone.
 
Guys, do you carry with you, into an incall, your (a) ID, (b) entire wallet and (c) extra cash when seeing a provider FOR THE FIRST TIME?  

If I am stopped by the authorities, I will not agree to a search of my person without probable cause, and if there is probable cause I am probably fucked anyhow.

I always carry cash on me and there is no law against it. The one thing I will do is leave any LARGE amounts of cash either at home, or in the car, but my definition of large probably differs from most. I usually carry a grand or so on me most of the time, If i have been to a casino or race track, I might have $4-5K on me at any given time, That amount of cash I will usually squirrel away somewhere rather than bringing it into an incall, but carrying a grand or so is not an issue to me.

It's good to be cautious, but some of the clandestine overkill some of you guys go to seem a bit silly to me.

Wallet, cash, ID, credit cards, keys, phone, etc, all on me. Larger amounts of cash (over 1k) I won't carry into an incall unless the date is more than that amount. I have never worried about carrying my personal stuff or money on me at an incall with an escort, and I dont worry about getting caught by LE.

I have the donation in an envelope
I have my wallet with whatever cash I have...  Maybe $50-100.
I have my cell phone.
I have my keys.
I have on my watch.
I may have some wine.
I have a video camera and tripod so I can remember things vividly...  JK  

so it is best to have a photo ID like a driver's license on you.

If you can not produce same, they are allowed to hold you until you can establish identity.

(still not a lawyer)

Going to Manhattan is easy for me.
One time I had a run in with the cops, and was detained. (Not escort related)
Not arrested. But it was long enough to get towed away.
First you think someone stole your car..
It sucks big time.
Then you have to wait untill they process the damn thing before they even know they took it.
I would rather have been arrested..
At least I would have known where my car was.

Sorry HC, I couldn't resist.

unless I am swimming or something I have no problem showing ID to LE if asked. I may STFU about anything they might ask, but I will gladly give my ID. I also figure if I drop dead or am badly injured and have to go to a hospital, at least someone can ID me and notify NOK. That's why I mentioned in my post above even when I saw streetwalkers and left credit cards and wallet, cash etc stashed, my ID was with me. Yeah I realize that I could get rolled by a pimp or something and have my ID taken but that was a risk I was willing to take. There was nothing else on me worth stealing.

I have the donation, my wallet, my cell phone and my car keys.  My wallet has an additional  $100 or so.  I don't really worry about it, as I only see indies with really good reps or agency girls from well established agencies.
On a first date I may not wear my watch, because it's quite valuable.  I do my homework and I don't worry.

but I didn't care and I actually thought it was pretty funny! I picked up a SW (A long time ago in a galaxy not too far away) who offerred me an in car BJ for 10 bucks. She was actually really pretty too with a nice body. Not at all what you would expect would be offering a 10 buck BJ, but it was a depressed economy in a depressed neighborhood, (not Waikiki) and I guess she needed money for rent or cigarrettes or drugs or something (although there was no obvious telltale signs of drug abuse like track marks or fucked up teeth) So we drove around until we found a secluded spot. I pulled my wallet out of my back pocket and gave her a tenner, then I dropped the wallet between my driver door and the seat. She pulled my pants and underwear down to my knees, and pulled down her strapless dress to give me access to her tits. While she was blowing me and I was fondling her tits, I saw and felt her pulling loose dollar bills out of my pants front pocket! I never even said anything because I only had three loose ones in there and I was getting a hell of a deal anyway, so it amounted to a 30% tip! But just seeing her do that, made it seem like she regularly did that, and I'm sure she got more than three bucks out of other guys.

This incident didn't change how I hobbied or what I had with or on me when doing it. In fact it didn't even stop me from seeing her again. I found her again in the same area a few months later and got in car CFS, plus BBBJ CIM for $30. (but there was a whole other story to that one --see below)



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but that was another lifetime ago. I still remember there were some hotties working the street in Waikiki back about 25-30 years ago. I had my first P4P threesome there. Two hot young blondes both about 20 and maybe 105 lbs. I spent a good hour with the two of them in some dive walking distance from the fancy places on Waikiki beach, I think I spent about eighty bucks for the both of them,

but yes, back then I would never carry much more that about a hundred bucks and no valuable jewelry, but despite the rather sketchy neighborhoods I found myself in, I never had any major problems, but then again I didn't present myself as an easy mark either.

been burned the othwr way

No.. You hit the nail right on the head!

That is exactly what I said..
Then I walked around for a while..  
I have lost my car before
So I really looked around before I panicked and thought it was stolen.
I am such a dick. I got mad at my friends because they couldn't remember where I left my own car!
And I might have been detained for smoking  a spliff in Central Park..
I don't remember.

It's dumb!
I have always been a good little boy, and put crisp 100's in a clean unfolded, unsealed envelope.

I took that stand several years ago and got nothing but abuse from almost all of the ladies and most of the guys for doing so.

Fast forward about three years, and it's a common for guys and girls alike to eschew the envelope. FWIW you're welcome, It's a fight that has already been fought and won.

It's a habit and I don't plan on changing it, even if it's with a regular or "ATF."

I'm with Gambler, i keep that kind of money on me at all times, but back in the old days i would leave my extra cash in the car. Now i rarely ever do incall so i don't have that issue. And i only see well reviewed ladies anymore and have never had a problem. I am there to have a good time, not worry about every little thing. RELAX dude.......................

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No disrespect to Gambler and all the anti envelope guys, including you Hound. Use an envelope or don't use it for hobbying, makes no difference to me. My argument is with the idea that it is dangerous or bad to carry cash in an envelope. Why do you think you will be in trouble if cops find you with an envelope of cash? And I have seen that argument more than a few times from the anti envelope mongers. Since when is it illegal to carry cash in an envelope! I have been carrying cash in envelopes for years. When I go to the bank to withdraw cash, they usually put it in an envelope. I have clients that pay me in cash and many times it is in an envelope. I pay for many of my purchases and services in cash and it is usually in an envelope when it is a large amount. When I go to Vegas I usually have several envelopes of cash. To me it is a convenient way of carrying it, and I know others that do the same thing. So I choose to handle my escort payments with envelopes but I do this anyway in all kinds of other areas of my life, so no big deal. I just don't understand why the anti envelope guys (some of them anyway) feel it is so wrong to use an envelope. Unless my envelopes are marked 'heroin payments', 'cocaine payments', 'prostitute money', 'counterfeit bills', I really don't see how it is any kind of problem for a cop to find me with envelope(s) of cash!

without probable cause.  Sure, they'll often lie and tell you they have a right to see your ID on demand, but you're under no obligation to show it to them.  (Do not, however, ever show a cop a fake ID.)

but if there is going to be an argument of which way is safer, and the argument has always been that the envelope is somehow safer. What could be more damning than having the exact amount of a woman's advertised donation in an envelope when arriving at her incall?

Like I said, if you like to do it for convenience, fine, but it cannot be argued that an envelope is safer for either the lady or the gentleman.

Truth be told I sometimes carry envelopes, or at least I did when I was frequenting casinos on a regular basis, A typical letter sized envelope is the perfect size for carrying money in $10K increments.

since you are a lawyer and I am not, but isnt probable cause as easy as being in the wrong place at the worng time? Or if you are driving a car they obviously have the right to ask you for your drivers license. In any case whether they have the right to ask for it or not, I have never had a problem showing my ID to a cop who asks. I would much rather show them my ID and have them take down my name and number and send me on my way, then get held or taken in until I can prove my identity.

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when meeting a new girl is because a lot of times it says so on their website, and I just don't want to look like someone who can't follow directions or don't care to read...

You are right. Many times when this argument comes up there are the folks that think it is somehow safer to have the money in an envlope, and those that think having money in an envelope is a sure fire way to get arrested! Both sides are wrong!

I definitely dont believe the envelope is safer, but my argument is with those who think it is actually dangerous. I use them for convenience.  

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LE can demand for you to identify yourself, and if you are not believed & have some way to verify they can hold you for up to 24 hours under the statute.  When I was in school, the law had not been tested & I don't want to be the one to do so.

I see hookers so I don't have to play silly little games in order to get laid, if I still have to play these silly games I might as well go back to picking up bartenders and cocktail waitresses. They are just as cute, and you can get free drinks all night for fucking them. Of course they won't go home when you ask them with pitching a fit, which I why I prefer to simply pay some PYT for sex without all the bullshit. lol

I have to confess, I have NEVER brought the donation in an envelope in all the years and the literally thousands of women i have seen over these four decades or so, and I have never had a single one make an issue out of it outside of these boards. NEVER.

paranoid??

Speak for yourself. I would rub his toothbrush on my ass!

have their own laws allowing police to ask for identification.

Horrible movie.. Zero Dark Thirty...Now thats a killer movie.Blew MoFo's brains off [e]

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All due respect.  I would not be treated like you.
You proved my point, and I thank you.

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like bringing an envelope if someone asks for one. I could care less if a man brings one to our date, but I just can't understand those who won't bring one if requested by a lady.....then they want to post on the boards about how they've never and won't ever follow a "hooker's" rules about bringing an envelope. Really? How silly! That's so five years ago. Maybe they can't afford an envelope. It's a freaking piece of paper! I understand taking other stances in this p4p world, but putting cash in an envelope isn't one of them but whatever floats their boat, I guess. lol. I believe in picking one's battles strategically, and an envelope isn't one of them.

Curly and Hound, keep being you.

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make sure the money was separate from that in my wallet rather than taking out my wallet & counting the money I needed, it was already in an envelope, ready for payment. That's why as an escort, I cant understand the anti-envelope crusaders. I do it all the time and it's so easy! Really. It took me less than 1 millisecond to put the 3k in an envelope while some of these men are complaining about putting a couple hundred in an envelope! To each their own, I suppose, but i already pay most of my bills in envelopes unless paying them online, so it's natural and I'm not cheap when it comes to paying the .40 cents for an envelope, but I really should be sensitive to the fact that not everyone can afford .40 cents for an envelope...



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they're only $.1054/envelope,,,that's .11 cents if we want to get specific for those who are thrifty about paying for envelopes.

I carry my wallet everywhere I go , my car doors and trunk don't lock ,  
 
 I always carry extra cash , two or  three times the donation .

and I think you will find that a lot of people, both men and ladies have come around to my way of thinking.

You fight your battles and I'll fight mine. If a hooker is so rigid in having guys jump through her hoops, I doubt her and i are going to be compatible in the first place. So if the envelope is a deal breaker for her, I feel like I am getting off easy. I don't deal with demanding and controlling women in my civvie life, I damn sure am not going to put up with it from a hooker.

If you think it's so silly, then why am I supposed to be the one to give in on the subject?

I pick my battles wisely and an envelope isn't one of them. I know several ladies who include the envelope verbiage on their sites only b/c that's what they've seen other ladies do and not because they're a "hooker [who] is so rigid..." in having an envelope presented to her. Seriously...but I'm sure you will continue to have your "hooker this" and "envelope that" thoughts on your mind. It's good that not everyone is so obsessed and one-sided about envelopes (a .10 cent piece of paper!)

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You are like the goddamned James Bond of whoremongers.
I have always been and will be in awe. (I'm serious. No smart-ass comment here)

LE has the right to ask just about anything they want. But, IF YOU ARE ON FOOT, you do not have to present ID. Nor can they hold you unless they are in the midst of investigating a crime. If you are driving you must present your Drivers License, Registration, and Proof of insurance. But that is only in that situation.

Identifying yourself is not the same as presenting a government issued ID.  

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Shit! I'll give ya a lollipop with the free envelope they give me at the bank.

If you're showing up to a bust, they have probable cause, and you're going to be booked, ID or not.

except mine has the muffler dragging on the road making the sparks fly everywhere.

For some women having an envelope makes them feel more comfortable to have their money in. I can't tell you the number of times I had to try to stuff that wad of cash somewhere that was obvious. Having an envelope would have made it so much easier for me to put somewhere, vs. being paranoid about having visible cash in my purse. Then again, I guess I could just bring my own envelope lol.

What I do have a problem with is when it is made as a demand.

Except for things like "fuck me harder" i don't take to demands very well, which is probably why I don't have a boss or a wife. The problem is not the envelope itself, but demanding hookers that want a man to jump through hoops in order to give them money.

If anyone wants to give me money, they are free to give it to me anyway they want to. I try to make it easy for my customers to pay me, not more difficult.

through major hoops, but for some people, I guess opening the envelope flap might be a bit too strenuous. lol

**edited to take out a random word I added on accident**

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You have no idea, lovely lady.