Not rehashing what has been talked about for years (forever?) but did just skim through the thread JackD started about 6 months about about a TER reset now it's back.

A simple "Provider Disputes Review" option seems pretty simple, easy and straightforward. It would certainly be telling for certain providers and reviewers.

I haven't done in a while (which is bad actually) but recall that when you reviewed your credit report, there were opportunities to add notes to certain dings to your credit.
I'm lightly reviewed and fortunately  no major dings to my rating.
That said, a minor annoyance has been how some of the review info filters into my TER profile. For example my donation amount that shows in profile hasn't been such for several years, and some of the contact info for me is inaccurate.
I could see how it might get a lot messier if disputes were "meaty".  
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Profiles are only changed by problem reports. You can submit problem reports on your own profile and should. Especially with concern to rates.

Thanks! TER mod also DM'd me with that procedure.
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it's something I always wondered about - why providers won't update their own profile and "manage their brands" more closely.

The answer is easy
Because set up by reviewer most newer ones do not know they can and how easy it is
Then they live with errors and are upset with the site

This may be a little off the thrust of this thread but it is about updating the review summaries.

What would stop providers to dispute any mediocre or negative review ? In turn, this will make mongers even more scared to write mediocre or negative reviews, and they're already pressured a lot.

Lets see. There's a count that says the provider is disputing something about a review. That then is shown to everyone. When you look at reviews you can see how many times the provider has disputed a review and how many reviews she has (or some disputes/reviews number).  

Eighty out of 100 reviews is not realistic, there are very few providers who get that ratio on here with any respectable sample size.

can all be avoided by NOT giving your TER username to  providers (which is what I do), or writing the review under your alias, which I have also done.  There is no way to trace your alias back to you unless you voluntarily publish it.  Consequently, I have NEVER felt pressured by providers regarding what I have written in reviews.  

You've never felt pressured, yet you also don't have many negative reviews written and going by your own words, you have overwhelming success rate. How about we hear from someone who actually writes negative/subpar reviews? There's no pressure if 98% of your reviews are positive, sure. How about we hear from more picky people?  

but a LOT of other guys have had their reviews changed or simply just deleted because the providers have whined to Admin. One reason this never happens to you is because as you freely admit, you never write critical reviews, so the women you review have no reason to contest your version of a session.  

Wow, I didn't even know admins can remove reviews if providers whine about them. So they even even more power than I thought. So why does ter need yet even more power delegated there? Why complain about "voices" if a provider can already request a review taken down? Absolutely nothing prevents them from disputing every negative review,unless they're so bad they get a crazy negative review rate.  

And requiring that the require only be removed if proven to be a fake review -- no meeting ever occurred -- while allowing disputed reviews to stand might allow TER to be more stringent on removing reviews.

You are right that I have never personally had an indie provider whine to Admin about one of my reviews, even when I used to review them under my old handle.  My comments were based on conversations I have had with local LA indies that shared with me how difficult it was for them to challenge reviews.  Their POV was that TER would rather leave it up even if there are some inaccuracies and only acted if the review was an outright fake.  They had no idea you could mere "whine" because you don't like it, and TER would take it down.  Apparently, they are laboring under a misconception, with I willingly adopted in my ignorance, because it made sense to me that TER would not arbitrarily believe the provider over the monger who wrote the review.

I don't think there's a specific number we need to strive for, reviews should be done organically imo.

Now the girl can, according to GaG, complain behind the scene to TER and get the review removed so no one sees it. That sends the message to the reviewers that TER does NOT have their backs.  

I truly believe that you are correct in TERs handling of reviews before the shutdown.
Provider complained and then had to prove. How does one prove a negative.  
I believe now it is easier with the “ new kinder TER”  
No of a number of fake reviews where provider gave up on getting removed and actually most were not bad just did not happen.  
Also believe that in the past providers to delist needed to remove all adds from any sites.
If an add came up somewhere was open to someone reviewing and starting a profile again on said provider.

Because now sellers don't remove every negative review, at least from my understanding. They actually have to go through admins. They might ask to remove the ones that hit their rep the hardest, but they probably don't want to attract unnecessary attention with many individual requests. This is my speculation, of course.  

"new kinder TER" in relation to whom? Providers or Mongers? Sounds like the former.

and TER doesn't just "take your word for it" if a provider is lying about her age. The burden of proof is on the person alleging the false statement, IOW providers are "innocent unless and until proven guilty" I know BPOS claims otherwise, but go ahead and try it a few times without proof positive that the old woman of forty you saw,  with the pics of a 20 year old on her website/ads and just see how "easy" it is to get her profile changed.

I wonder, does Jensen do "problem reports"? Since we are now resorting to credibility attacks, it must be OK. He has a review of a provider named milky. She is listed as 20-25. He admits she's "a bit" older. Many other reviews state it blatantly that she's a lot older. Plenty of subpar reviews too.  

Then
1) Not enough TER mongers or reviewers at submitting the problem report or
2) TER is not interested in serving the mongers (but might want to be more an industry forum and neutral)

I can't always spot bullshit, No one can and if they claim they can they are lying either to you or to themselves, BUT I can usually get at least a feel for which providers are at least legit and give a good session by the reviews. Where I find the reviews most lacking is in appearance, not performance. So many "hobbyists" simply have no taste, any woman who will get naked for them looks good to them. GIGO, what can you really do about guys who are either blind or who have no standards?

Good performance has a way of making them look better.
The reverse is also true.

I probably agree on that. I certainly have seen some provider described as "hot" and "really attractive" in terms of their pics that I pretty much thought someone must have been hit on the head or something (drunk and closing time just before the lights come up). However most of the time I think it's more narrow a case -- I don't really sweat something like a 7 - 9 (or maybe even 10) difference of opinion on looks.  

And for some reason my responses get bogged down in moderation queue and come out late. Mad frustrating...

About the only way as a client you will get an age changed her is to find an Add where she admits she admits to older or ifsay her first review was 10 years ago and she claims to be 25
Another thing age is first set by reviewer and half of the girls here do not know they can get it changed

So if the provider is an agency girl, that sounds close to impossible. We can't take pics of agency girls, and all TER has is our word. So somehow all the power is in the first reviewer's hands. Great.

write a mediocre but not bad review for a bad provider.    don't give to many details.  leave it at,  "you would not repeat. "

First off a "bad provider" deserves a bad review, not a mediocre one, and secondly, you didn't just suggest that the RO board is somehow more "secure" than any other board on TER, did you? You might want to ask anyone who knows "MacLeaky" or any of the other spineless fucking jellyfish on the RO board about just how fucking secure that board is.

Where is this reviewers only section of the TER board located?

While in the Discussions Boards main menu look under More. I don't think it is open to just anyone.

A reviewer must have 10(?)  published reviews and if I recall correctly, have some board presence.

A PROVIDER must have a minimum of three reviews and a board presence to qualify to get on the "Providers only" board. A REVIEWER must have minimum of  TEN reviews and a board presence as a prerequisite to getting on the "Reviewers only" board. Come on Fish, I thought we were going to leave the bad advice giving to Swim. lol  

I edited my post to correct it while you were typing your correction.

I guess I drink and "I" get drunk. lol

I have 10 reviews.  Is there anything interesting on the RO board?  If it just the same old I wouldn't bother TER with a request.   But if we get a key to the executives' private whore house, then I'm in.

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RO board, nothing interesting but also none of the nasty spillover you get from the political board into general topics board. Basically like being in a homeowners association, its nice for a reason.

where reviewers can let their hair down and really say what's on their minds without worrying about how it will appear to the gals, in fact it is a rare post that has any controversy about it at all owing to the pervasive (and well justified) belief that there are numerous guys who allow gals they know to read the board when they get together.

Pretty much.  And LOL about more ho's reading the board than bro's.  

Wonder if they also get to read the PO board in return.

Not that the PO board doesn't leak too, but anything said on RO might as well be said directly here on GD. The only reason you don't hear more about what's said there is that it's so mind numbingly boring it hardly bears repeating.

I'm not on RO (or PO), but that is the opposite of what I would have expected:

Yes, don't write review where everyone can see them, instead do it only where select few can.  

Simply whining about it on the discussion boards as some people have suggested does no good at all, once the thread falls off the first page it's all but forgotten about, but a "truthful" review will stay there forever, unless or until the provider delists herself, which unfortunately is one way that dishonest providers run away from their bad reviews.

You are hardly the only one here with his nutsack intact, but we are most definitely in the minority where it comes to putting the mongers first where it comes to being honest about bad sessions.  

I mean, I agree with you. I'm all for writing an honest review.

In the first paragraph of my reviews where I talk about appearance, I state the correct age range if the profiler got it wrong on the first review.  If the profile age is correct, then I don't mention age.   I agree with DM that its nearly impossible to change it on the profile, and this is an ongoing problem when you have newbies just copying whatever is in the girl's ad when it comes to age. A lot of the reviewers have not seen enough providers to accurately just the age, so that's why they just go with what the ad says.  Its up to subsequent reviewers to correct the age in the body of their review and let readers decide who has the most cred when it comes to assessing a girl's real age.  If the profile says 21-25, and 6 subsequent reviewers put her at 31-35, who are you going to believe.  This whole process requires a little bit of intelligence and common sense on that part of the mongers who are using reviews as a resource to choose a provider to see.  

I agree with you almost fully. The only thing I don't is that many times there will be only a couple of reviews and won't be enough sample size to decide who's really right.  

new reviewers be required to submit a number of reviews that would be peer reviewed essentially (either by TER or perhaps qualified volunteers) that could mentor and QA the efforts first.

I wrote a negative review of a "high" end provider, that was just a normal DMV girl. Even her hair was a different color and cut - totally. She tried to rip me a new one, and complained to TER. I have to give props to TER. They wanted proof I saw her, which I had, and the review stood. The appalling part was I had FOUR mongers PM me saying they had the same bad experience with this provider.  WTF!!!!  Several hundred $$$$ down the drain, which could have been avoided if there was at least ONE review that pointed it out honestly.

lol.  don't get your panties i a bunch.  I am Bros before Hos.  100.

Hi! Got in late with this, fuckers, but from my 'limited' experience, most mongers don't write reviews in the first place.  

I think this gotten a little bit too personal. Lol. That fat wife stuff is not necessary imo.  

If you don't mind me asking, what proof did you have? For example, I've seen around 100 kgirls last year alone, but besides texts with POs that could easily be fabricated, I don't really have any proof. Obviously if provider allows photo/video, it's different.

You don't have PM (private messages) ability. Publicly, I will say I had e-mail exchanges which included her phone number.

I would think texts to the agency number and the other reviews pointing to the ad for her at the agency during the time would be as good as any email exchange. Or are you saying, for what you are saying publicly, it was more the combination of email and phone number that TER could cross reference to the event?

As you can see he is posting under an alias and ONLY TER VIP members are allowed an alias, which means EVERYONE posting under an alias has PM capability.  Plus I have spoken to him via PM personally. lol

I verify every review I get before I whitelist the person and I think it’s important to do that to be safe.  

We don't live in a world of perfect information and TER is not party to anything other than what is submitted to the site. In other words they do not really know who is telling the truth, and that can actually be the case even when a bunch of people want to say "well it is obvious!".

I'm glad you acknowledged competing interests.

I'm talking to Team Rocket, you can't PM him. I can PM jensen all day every day.

Click on messages at top of page. Click on Compose. Enter his alias handle in the "to" field. Make sure it is exactly as he writes it. Compose your PM hit send. He will get it. This is just another example of things TER doesn't post anywhere so people will know. His alias is still protected. Doing this won't reveal his TER user name.

Thanks, appreciated. But I thought if his PM didn't come down from the pull down menu on his name by his post, that he didn't have status (paid, from review, etc.) to receive PMs?  No?

because ONLY VIP members are allowed an alias.  

But I've gotten PMs while I did not have VIP status, could see the count in Messages but just was not able to access until review submitted or paid.

And then what happens is when you broadcast to the board the fact you no longer have VIP some asshole like me will send you a BUNCH of PM's until your curiosity gets the best of you after seeing that you have a dozen new PMs and you renew your VIP membership just to find out that your inbox is not full of PMs from a bunch of hotties, but from some prick like me who is just fucking with you. lol

Even w/o VIP, you always access (read / send) official emails from and to TER Admin, too.

LOL

I'm not opening it, I can't afford your rates. :P

It worked, thanks!

Well, I seldom broadcast to the board what my status is but that doesn't really matter. If I let the VIP laps I really don't care what someone leaves in the dead letter office.

but those that do are usually driven crazy when they have a load of messages in their inbox that they can't read. They always think they are missing something, like maybe a $1,000 hr provider privately offering them a 90% discount. lol

No, TER doesn’t remove reviews because providers whine about them.  It has to be proven that they are fake.  It’s hard enough to get Fake reviews removed when they are obviousKy fake.  

joining the discussions.  You are right about fakes.  When I am reading reviews of providers I have also seen, oftentimes false details will jump out that lets me know its a fake, and I then put the reviewer on my list to be ignored.  As in your examples, the fake details have nothing to do with the girl, but mischaracterize the location in different ways, i.e., shower curtain when its a glass shower, massage table when there is only a bed, other furniture in the bedroom that isn't there, etc., I could go on but everyone gets the picture. My favorite fake about the girl is when they are last year's photos when she was a blond and now she's a brunette.  The review will say she has blond hair because that's what the photos show.  I like to screw with these guys  by PM'ing them and asking when did she change back to a blond,  saw her a week ago and she was a brunette.  Mostly you get crickets, but some try something lame like, "I meant I liked her blond hair in the PHOTOS."  Sure he did, because that's all he saw of her.  

To be fair, a shower door can be replaced.and if people see a lot of girls, their memory starts getting blurry. I sometimes don't remember how a particular girls boobs felt and looked like, much less a shower curtain.

you go to that have a curtain on a stall shower.  I was talking about replacing a tub/shower combo with a curtain, like you get at most hotels, with a stall shower that's all glass.  That's a one or two day construction job.  In my 12 years, I have never seen an org close down a business for two days for both girls in order to replace a tub with a shower.  The fact that I was just there, and a week later some fake review said it was a stall shower is just bullshit.  It may be "fair" to say it can be changed, but its not at all realistic to suggest that error makes a review legit.  Sometimes, you over-speculate.  

Do you REALLY have to hit him with it? Sheesh.  

the part of his post that I didn't agree with.  He often does the same with me.  Its not personal, its just disagreement on certain points among generally like-minded individuals.  You will often comment on one part of my posts that you think I got wrong, while agreeing with the rest, and I, likewise, with you.  Its what we do here.  Where is this sensitivity coming from today?    

and most of the last few posts were comments about "banging our heads against the wall" lol

Um, OK. I pretty much agreed with you but you really want to argue over a curtain?

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